School help for my wife?

[Ade]

I agree, especially with highly skilled IT Networking Security engineers will always be employed at the highest pay because of supply is very low and demand is extremely high. Entry level IT networking  security people earn 67 K to start with 5 years experience, easy over 100,000 per year salary. No problem with job security in this field and never will be.

"Never" is a very long time and I wouldn't bet on it.

The strange thing about demand is that it tends to encourage an increase in supply; there are some very clever people in the developing countries that can just as easily study networking theory and take some Cisco certifications as anyone in the first world. They usually cost a lot less to employ and they tend to be very motivated too.

[OlgaH]

 
Then I will look at some other employers, or update my skills so as to be more competitive. 

Where is guarantee that some other employers will not refuse you in benefit of a less demanding employee  ?   And how are you going to live and more over update you skills with your empty pockets while you are looking for a right employer  

And you, would you like the government to guarantee you a job at all times, like it was in the Soviet Union?  Even if it damages the economy of your country?

Who is a guarantor of your rights including labor rights (or workers' rights)  ? I would prefer the government who will guarantee that I will have a job with worthy salary according to my education and skills.

Talking about Soviet Union there was unemployment in such scales as now in Russia, my words don't mean that I speak in the benefit of that regime, it is just a fact    

[Mishenka]

"Never" is a very long time and I wouldn't bet on it.

The strange thing about demand is that it tends to encourage an increase in supply; there are some very clever people in the developing countries that can just as easily study networking theory and take some Cisco certifications as anyone in the first world. They usually cost a lot less to employ and they tend to be very motivated too.

SJ, not in this case. IT security is the same as the demand for RN's in America, many go to school, but only half the students graduate, and then only half who pass the state license exams can handle the job and quit or get fired during their first year. In reality 25% make it into the supply line, thus leaving a severe shortage of nurses in America. 
With IT security, I'm talking about a few hundred people world wide with such qualifications. Having a handfull of certificates isn't going to land anyone a job without the intelligence, education and "hands on skills" to compete in a world wide market. While there are some "cleaver people" in 3rd world countries that have a clue what I'm speaking about, they are not going to make a difference in supply and demand. It takes years to be educated and trained in the security field.  There might well be many wannabe's out there but few will have high US Gov security clearance and ability to write the programs to launch missiles, etc and keep the world safe from serious attacks. These people are needed all over military bases in USA and the world to "hold it all together" while threats continue to present themselves daily. They are also needed in the mega companies all over the world to keep lines of communications open. Thousands of positions are waiting to be filled. I don't see a supply that will ever meet demand as long as their is the WWW and communications companies in existance.
Mishenka

[Blues Fairy]

Where is guarantee that some other employers will not refuse you in benefit of a less demanding employee  ?   And how are you going to live and more over update you skills with your empty pockets while you are looking for a right employer   I would prefer the government who will guarantee that I will have a job with worthy salary according to my education and skills.

Too bad this attitude of complete childish dependence and lack of self-reliance is capturing more and more of this country's minds.  Capitalism is not for sissies. 

[Mishenka]

BF, while this is true, both of you make valid points. Every successful person I know may say they are self made, "I did it my way"  the reality is, all of them had help from someone along the way.  Education loans, grants or help from mom or day, relatives. Obama has made it possible for me to get new grants I would never get before so I can get another degree over the next 18 months. I'm taking advantage of this and adding it to my resume. Sure, I'm the one working hard to get the perfect scores, its not that hard to ace a test at university level at my age. A college education will ever replace "Life Experience" looking at the education levels of most of the top 500 multimillionaires in the world will prove my point. I agree capitolism is not for sissies. It's a "dog eat dog" world out there.

Mishenka

[Ade]

SJ, not in this case. IT security is the same as the demand for RN's in America, many go to school, but only half the students graduate, and then only half who pass the state license exams can handle the job and quit or get fired during their first year. In reality 25% make it into the supply line, thus leaving a severe shortage of nurses in America. 
With IT security, I'm talking about a few hundred people world wide with such qualifications. Having a handfull of certificates isn't going to land anyone a job without the intelligence, education and "hands on skills" to compete in a world wide market. While there are some "cleaver people" in 3rd world countries that have a clue what I'm speaking about, they are not going to make a difference in supply and demand. It takes years to be educated and trained in the security field.  There might well be many wannabe's out there but few will have high US Gov security clearance and ability to write the programs to launch missiles, etc and keep the world safe from serious attacks. These people are needed all over military bases in USA and the world to "hold it all together" while threats continue to present themselves daily. They are also needed in the mega companies all over the world to keep lines of communications open. Thousands of positions are waiting to be filled. I don't see a supply that will ever meet demand as long as their is the WWW and communications companies in existance.
Mishenka

As I said, "never" is a very long time and no other industry changes quite as fast as IT. I remember when Java developers could write their own cheque but now they are a penny for a dozen. I will agree that at the moment network and security skills are in high demand and there are relatively few people out there but you know what happens when many people enter University and look at what to major in? They look at the job market and see what are the highest paid jobs and what specializations are in demand. Within 10 years you will have a flood of people on the market skilled in all aspects of networking.

You mention very high skilled positions and of course there will always be some demand for the very best but most positions do not need those kinds of skills or intelligence which is a good thing as extremely few people are that capable. Also remember that technology moves on; at one time a programmer needed a firm grasp of assembler but these days a lot can be done by dragging and dropping a few icons, networking will be no different.   

Never say never.

[Ade]

BF, while this is true, both of you make valid points. Every successful person I know may say they are self made, "I did it my way"  the reality is, all of them had help from someone along the way.  Education loans, grants or help from mom or day, relatives. Obama has made it possible for me to get new grants I would never get before so I can get another degree over the next 18 months. I'm taking advantage of this and adding it to my resume. Sure, I'm the one working hard to get the perfect scores, its not that hard to ace a test at university level at my age. A college education will ever replace "Life Experience" looking at the education levels of most of the top 500 multimillionaires in the world will prove my point. I agree capitolism is not for sissies. It's a "dog eat dog" world out there.

Mishenka

Unfortunately, uncontrolled capitalism panders to people's baser instincts such as personal greed and look where that has led us.

[OlgaH]

Too bad this attitude of complete childish dependence and lack of self-reliance is capturing more and more of this country's minds.  Capitalism is not for sissies. 

You say it because your husband has very secure job. 

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=9260.msg174648#msg174648

In spite of your EAD and skills you found "kinda sucked job"  as you said and in spite of your EAD and skills you got fired as soon as your employer got to know about your pregnancy. If it is your "doctrine of fairness" in the capitalistic world you deserve to be fired. But there are women who don't deserve to be fired because of their pregnancy or because an employer finds less demanding employee. Therefore the government is guarantor and protector of rights, therefore there is Constitution and Labor Code even in a capitalistic country.   

[Turboguy]

Unfortunately, uncontrolled capitalism panders to people's baser instincts such as personal greed and look where that has led us.

We haven't had uncontrolled capitalism in well over a half century.   I will agree that uncontrolled capitism has it's weaknesses,   Early in the 20th century companies like Standard Oil did exactly that.  Companies aren't allowed to buy out all their competitors anymore to create a monopoly.  That was the real danger.   Most always if someone finds a niche that gets them rich enough competitors see it that in a few years there are tons of competitors.   It's called the free market and it does work.   Personally one of my biggest problems as a business owner today is dealing with our goverment who seems to want to do everything possible to make running a business and earning enough money to live on very difficult.

I have to say BluesFairy's posts sort of surpised me.  For someone who is new here she has a pretty good grasp on sound economics and want is right and wrong with America.

[aikorob]

Many, many posts ago there was an actual topic

I still think the instructor has a decided liberal bias.   Nata told me about another essay involving hungry children--students were asked what their opinions and feelings were. One of the older students (5 children) answered that all of her efforts would go to her own children first; that she would not worry about some unknown children---the instructor marked her wrong and called her "heartless".

Teacher has made several comments that people returning to college after a long absence should be made to go back to high school first--because they didn't know about "modern" methods or theories.

[Blues Fairy]

You say it because your husband has very secure job. 

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=9260.msg174648#msg174648

In spite of your EAD and skills you found "kinda sucked job"  as you said and in spite of your EAD and skills you got fired as soon as your employer got to know about your pregnancy. If it is your "doctrine of fairness" in the capitalistic world you deserve to be fired. But there are women who don't deserve to be fired because of their pregnancy or because an employer finds less demanding employee. Therefore the government is guarantor and protector of rights, therefore there is Constitution and Labor Code even in a capitalistic country. 

Olga, my job situation and my pregnancy were part of the plan which, obviously, you little understand.  I simply didn't care to keep looking for a completely satisfactory job, and I didn't care overmuch about being fired.  If I didn't have a husband with a secure job, I wouldn't have gotten pregnant in the first place, and would have continued to look for a job and work and make good money like I used to before I got married.  It's a question of priorities and I am very happy with the choices I have made.  

My employer fired me because it was a small business and anyway I would have felt bad about them having to pay me a year worth of maternity leave after a few months work.  That is my fairness doctrine, if you will.  

Screw the government that screws people's rights, and screw the government that screws the businesses in favor of people's rights.  Screw the government, period.

[OlgaH]

 
Screw the government that screws people's rights, and screw the government that screws the businesses in favor of people's rights.  Screw the government, period.

and screw the companies and businesses that don't care about people who make them money.

The most part of population  who can not afford life insurance and medical insurance not doctors, lawyers, professors  and owners of businesses but workers at the factories and plants, people who serve you, because of that people you have car and pans in your kitchen made by that people, you can use clean public restrooms, your child can play in clean parks and go to school where floor and windows are clean, people who care about your domestic and your body waste... It is easy to be arrogant towards that people and say them "it is your problem you haven't education,you choose such lifestyle" and it is easy to be arrogant towards a lonely mother who lost her job "no we don't care about your situation, it is your problem that you couldn't find a husband with a secure job or worthy life partner and decided to bring up your child alone, you choose such lifestyle"

Companies will not care about all those people, about their rights.  Walmart gives people part time jobs to pay less money and not to worry about their social security.  But people agree even on such job because there not other jobs around. Screw such companies. And I agree with you: screw the government with the arrogant attitude towards workers and their rights, the government that cares more about business owners pockets and allowing them to do what they want than about people who make money for owners pockets, such government worth nothing. Screw the government that let people die without medical help because they cannot afford a surgery due to low income.

[Gator]

Many, many posts ago there was an actual topic

I am still reading the posts about school, although it is difficult to find them.

I still think the instructor has a decided liberal bias.   Nata told me about another essay involving hungry children--students were asked what their opinions and feelings were. One of the older students (5 children) answered that all of her efforts would go to her own children first; that she would not worry about some unknown children---the instructor marked her wrong and called her "heartless".

Teacher has made several comments that people returning to college after a long absence should be made to go back to high school first--because they didn't know about "modern" methods or theories.

A liberal bias is to be expected.  Neverthless, a teacher should grade students based on the objective of the class.   What is the exact title of the class (it does not seem to be reading comprehension)?  What level (sophomore)?  Is it a core subject?  A prerequisite?  

That is the problem when attending other than top tier universities.  The quality of teachers can be less than stellar.  Nevertheless, an immigrant may not be able to stay up with students at a top tier university.  My wife would have that problem.  This is not easy.

[Blues Fairy]

and screw the companies and businesses that don't care about people who make them money.

Excuse me?  Paying them a good salary for honest work is not enough?  And most employers also offer group insurance plans and various leave policies, on top of that.  And they're still evil?  

people who serve you, because of that people you have car and pans in your kitchen made by that people, you can use clean public restrooms, your child can play in clean parks and go to school where floor and windows are clean

Olga, you forget about the exorbitant taxes we pay so that those poor people could send their children to the same schools for free and go to the same public restrooms.  You paint a picture of caste society like in India where the untouchables clean the restrooms and the "arrogant" upper classes don't give a damn about the poor people's needs.  The reality here, I'm sorry, is a bit different.  

As for the lonely mother who couldn't find a huband, well you'd be surprised how many single women, prompted by the availability of welfare, choose to become single moms.  Let's all shed a sympathetic tear for them now, poor things.  

[Maxx2]

And I agree with you: screw the government with the arrogant attitude towards workers and their rights, the government that cares more about business owners pockets and allowing them to do what they want than about people who make money for owners pockets, such government worth nothing. Screw the government that let people die without medical help because they cannot afford a surgery due to low income.

Right now the help the US government is giving is going mostly to financial institutions. Almost 12.5 trillion dollars have been given and promised out to these entities with the exception of 980 billion that will go to stimulus (spending on the projects that will employ Americans). The government favors the big banks and investment houses at a ratio of 93% to the banks and 7% to the people. The people, us will be left paying higher taxes to pay the interest for all this bailout to the banks. Some of these banks get some of this bailout money at low interest rates and loan it out to credit card users at 20% + rates. More misery for the people. On top of all of this we will be paying higher costs on fuel due to "cap and trade" taxes. Then there is our paying much higher costs on essentual goods and services due to the inflation from all this bailout money flooding the economy. And then think about all those poor people who will have their savings wiped out as the dollar tanks. The big banks and big financial institutions CEOs and the politicians that enabled them will richer and richer as the people get poorer and poorer.

Maxx     

[OlgaH]

Excuse me?  Paying them a good salary for honest work is not enough?  And most employers also offer group insurance plans and various leave policies, on top of that.  And they're still evil?  

Yes there are companies who are responsible for their workers and pay a good salary to their workers and have insurance policies and such companies deserve taxes cut and there companies who just make money on the workers, like Walrmart, and pay minimum without any policies and there should not be any tax deductions for such companies and there should not be any tax benefits for companies moving jobs abroad.  If there would be more people with a good salary for honest work there would no be any questions about raising the minimum wage and people who can not afford medical insurance.

Companies with the fattest tax breaks
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/Extra/CompaniesWithTheFattestTaxBreaks.aspx

Scrutiny grows on company tax breaks to gain jobs
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2009/04/19/scrutiny_grows_on_company_tax_breaks_to_gain_jobs/

[Maxx2]

Yes there are companies who are responsible for their workers and pay a good salary to their workers and have insurance policies and such companies deserve taxes cut and there companies who just make money on the workers, like Walrmart, and pay minimum without any policies and there should not be any tax deductions for such companies and there should not be any tax benefits for companies moving jobs abroad.  If there would be more people with a good salary for honest work there would no be any questions about raising the minimum wage and people who can not afford medical insurance.

It has been proposed by someone that there should be a two tax levels for corporations. A lower level to those that employ American workers and use American made products and a higher level to those who employ foreign workers and foreign made products. Of course the bought off politicians will never listen to that someone.

[Ade]

Many, many posts ago there was an actual topic

I still think the instructor has a decided liberal bias.   Nata told me about another essay involving hungry children--students were asked what their opinions and feelings were. One of the older students (5 children) answered that all of her efforts would go to her own children first; that she would not worry about some unknown children---the instructor marked her wrong and called her "heartless".

Teacher has made several comments that people returning to college after a long absence should be made to go back to high school first--because they didn't know about "modern" methods or theories.

Very bizarre . Having said that, one of the mandatory subjects in my first year at university was called Science and Technology in Society and was run by a dude we nicknamed Red Des. He was loony left with communist leanings. The subject was designed to provoke discussion, there were no "right" answers as such and marks were supposed to be given based on thoroughness and the thought that was put into the coursework. Of course, it didn't work like that; if you didn't regurgitate exactly what Red Des thought on the subject he would mark you down. A lot of people learned to repeat him verbatim even if they disagreed; some of us couldn't stomach that though. I would have had straight A's that year if it weren't for Red Des.   

[Ade]

We haven't had uncontrolled capitalism in well over a half century.   I will agree that uncontrolled capitism has it's weaknesses,   Early in the 20th century companies like Standard Oil did exactly that.  Companies aren't allowed to buy out all their competitors anymore to create a monopoly.  That was the real danger.   Most always if someone finds a niche that gets them rich enough competitors see it that in a few years there are tons of competitors.   It's called the free market and it does work.   Personally one of my biggest problems as a business owner today is dealing with our goverment who seems to want to do everything possible to make running a business and earning enough money to live on very difficult.

Yes, of course there are certain controls in place, but, not everyone thinks that there are quite enough in your country. 

[Turboguy]

Up until a half century ago most people worked in a job for life.  These days it is a very mobile workforce.  If I have a business and can't pay competitive wages and supply benefits they are happy with it doesn't take too long until they are giving me their two week notice.  Even paying good wages it is hard to keep good people.  You can't take advantage of people if you are an employer.   They won't let you. 

Personally SJ, I am a free market guy who thinks they should dump 90% of the regualtions they have.  I will agree that deregulating the banks was a big mistake.  I also would love to see a national right to work law.

[Turboguy]

It has been proposed by someone that there should be a two tax levels for corporations. A lower level to those that employ American workers and use American made products and a higher level to those who employ foreign workers and foreign made products. Of course the bought off politicians will never listen to that someone.

Maxx, I agree it would be a good thing but I am sure our trading partners would scream protectionism and start putting taxes on our exports.  I do own a manufacturing business and we do export a lot of our product.  There are tax incentives for that portion of your sales that are exported so they do try a bit to help manufactuers.

[vwrw]

A liberal bias is to be expected.  Neverthless, a teacher should grade students based on the objective of the class.   What is the exact title of the class (it does not seem to be reading comprehension)?  What level (sophomore)?  Is it a core subject?  A prerequisite?  

She likely takes developmental class, which is designed for those who have got a low grad on reading comprehension test.

That is the problem when attending other than top tier universities.  The quality of teachers can be less than stellar.  Nevertheless, an immigrant may not be able to stay up with students at a top tier university.  

I attend an usual community college, and I have not  experienced any kind of pressure on me to change my views nor have I witnessed such a pressure on others.

In preparation to enter college, I spent most of my time listening free lectures online from different universities including Yale and Harvard. I understood the lectures at the same level as I understand lectures at my college despite the fact that teachers from top tier universities tend to express their knowledge using more sophisticated terms. This experience inclines me to believe that any immigrant capable of being an excellent pupil at an usual college would be doing fine at a top tier university too. Maybe, she or he would not be an only-A-grads-student anymore there, but she or he would be able to stay up with other students. 

[mies]

Many, many posts ago there was an actual topic

I still think the instructor has a decided liberal bias.   Nata told me about another essay involving hungry children--students were asked what their opinions and feelings were. One of the older students (5 children) answered that all of her efforts would go to her own children first; that she would not worry about some unknown children---the instructor marked her wrong and called her "heartless".

Teacher has made several comments that people returning to college after a long absence should be made to go back to high school first--because they didn't know about "modern" methods or theories.

the instructor isn't liberal. She may think she is liberal but she isn't, she is just narrow-minded and uneducated (I would also say "stupid" but I will try to stay well-mannered). that's it. Telling a student, a mother of 5 that she is heartless? This is the most unprofessional way an instructor can behave.

[Misha]

Maybe, she or he would not be an only-A-grads-student anymore there, but she or he would be able to stay up with other students. 

Well, everybody knows that any student with a pulse is pretty much guaranteed an A at the Ivy League universities  :evil: Here is an article by a Harvard professor discussing the problem of grade inflation in Harvard: http://chronicle.com/free/v47/i30/30b02401.htm

[OlgaH]

Olga, you forget about the exorbitant taxes we pay so that those poor people could send their children to the same schools for free and go to the same public restrooms.  You paint a picture of caste society like in India where the untouchables clean the restrooms and the "arrogant" upper classes don't give a damn about the poor people's needs.  The reality here, I'm sorry, is a bit different.  

That people with low income also pay taxes. I don't have any problem if they pay less taxes. But problem is:

AIG is chump change -- let's find corporate America's hidden billions
http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2009/03/23/big_clawback/index.html

Offshore Tax Havens From Bailed Out Companies Costing Our Economy Estimated $100 Billion


INTERNATIONAL TAXATION
Large U.S. Corporations and Federal Contractors with Subsidiaries in Jurisdictions Listed as
Tax Havens or Financial Privacy Jurisdictions
http://www.globalpolicy.org/nations/launder/haven/2008/12GAOReport.pdf
For example, the Department of the Treasury (Treasury) has found that some U.S. corporations have aggressively set transfer prices1 to move income to offshore jurisdictions to avoid U.S. taxes.2 Some offshore jurisdictions have no or nominal taxes and are sometimes referred to as tax havens.

How much that companies, upper classes care about the poor people's needs, hiding billions?

As for the lonely mother who couldn't find a huband, well you'd be surprised how many single women, prompted by the availability of welfare, choose to become single moms.  Let's all shed a sympathetic tear for them now, poor things.  

It is easy to be smart and call lone mothers "poor things" and not to care to keep looking for a completely satisfactory job and  about being fired hiding behind your husband's back with a secure job and life insurance. There are many women who also would love to have such husband. But reality is not every woman can become IT or doctor, or professor and not just because they are less intelligent, not every woman can afford college education  and there are not enough husbands for them with secure job and who would afford to pay for his wife's AED.   But those women also don't want to be alone  in their old age. And their children are also workers and taxpayers in the future. There are many different circumstances why a woman can be a lone mother. Try to live on paycheck and you will be surprised how many single moms with two children prefer to work.

Do you think it is such a bad Welfare program?
The child support program will provide families with state regulated child care placement assistance that will enable parents/caretakers the time available for working and job training opportunities. The child support program can supplement partial child care fees or provide 100% fee assistance.
http://www.welfareinfo.org/

Yes, there are people who try to take advantage of Welfare System therefore there must be strict regulation and eligibility requirements.

Personally I would rather pay my taxes for Welfare programs, anything can happen in your life when you will need help, the companies that hide their taxes will not give a damn about your problems.