Is marriage to a RW who speaks fluent English and Carrier oriented a risk?

[CONCRETE RIVER]

I have read on other sites that coresponding with RW who speak fluent English and are carrier determined are more likley just looking for US citizenship.

How legit is this accusation?  What are my chances on meeting a RW in general and it turning out to be only a search for citizenship? I ask because one of the women who I am corresponding with is so.

This is really my & my families main concern.

-Thanks

[ECOCKS]

Huh?

No, you should read up on scammer detection and avoidance plus use common sense in entering into a relationship.

[Stix]

Pardon my ignorance-but what is "carrier oriented"?

Thanks,

[Faux Pas]

I have read on other sites that coresponding with RW who speak fluent English and are carrier determined are more likley just looking for US citizenship.

How legit is this accusation?  What are my chances on meeting a RW in general and it turning out to be only a search for citizenship? I ask because one of the women who I am corresponding with is so.

This is really my & my families main concern.

-Thanks

Welcome CR!

I'm with ECOCKS here. You should read up on scams and scammers. Luckily you found RWD as there are volumes of information on the subject. Scamming is most generally a learned behavior designed to separate you from your money. Most often it is not even a woman you are corresponding with. One's linguistic prowess could not be linked future nefarious behavior. You and your family's concern seem to be the result the rumors of MOB in general. For the most part, very untrue.

[Faux Pas]

Pardon my ignorance-but what is "carrier oriented"?

Thanks,

Career-oriented is what I took it as

[groovlstk]

I have read on other sites that coresponding with RW who speak fluent English and are carrier determined are more likley just looking for US citizenship.

Have you met this woman yet? If not, your speculations are silly. Yes, these are shark-infested waters but your painting with a brush as wide as a superhighway.

[CONCRETE RIVER]

no, i havnt yet any of the women that ive been corresponding with.  I am new to this world and everyone I mention it too has the same reaction which im sure all of you are too familiar with. 

Im just being paranoid I guess because some of these women seem too good to be true. 

Oh, FWI I am corresponding through RWGlobe.com

edit*  also, my family requires me to have a prenup signed by any women I marry in general becasue of the family business.  How do RW usually react to such requests.  Are they understanding?

-thanks to all for your responses!

[ECOCKS]

In the interests of education:

SCAMMERS are those looking for money, gifts, etc. who have no intention of coming to visit you, enjoy intimacy or get married. This is their job and one of their main sources of income.

SERIAL DATERS are sort of semi-pros who use their temporary boyfriends for a good time, some cash and a bit of travel, you can be optimistic and throw in some western sex as opposed to their normal fare. For these, it's a hobby which can supplement their income a bit and provide some nice vacations in return for their "favors."

GOLDDIGGERS are the women who are looking for the green card and a different life from the one they lead presently. None of us can identify these for you. You are the one talking to them, kissing them, enjoying their company and so on. It's up to you to decide whether she's a damn good actress or the "real thing."

We can provide a lot of help on the SCAMMERS, lots of advice on non-serious SERIAL DATERS, but only a little help with the GOLDDIGGER. Only a couple of clues seem to be evident. A marked preoccupation with getting to your home country as soon as possible, repeated inquiries into your finances which trip your alarm and a preoccupation with the standard of living they can expect while easing into the new society. If she keeps asking what car you will buy her, maybe you should be a bit more cautious. If she starts arguing over a sports car before she gets there, you definitely should rethink your strategy.

Good Luck!

[Gator]

Concrete River,

The archives are full of stories about prenups.  Read Ambach123.

To avoid a scammer, spend enough time with a RW to be certain that her heart is true.  There is no substitute for time.  If you are a special man, a RW will happily wait while spending time with you.  If she is a scammer, she will not wait.

I don't think the converse is wise:  doesn't speak English and does not want to work!

[Faux Pas]

no, i havnt yet any of the women that ive been corresponding with.  I am new to this world and everyone I mention it too has the same reaction which im sure all of you are too familiar with.

 

You have a very long way to go and many things to learn. What you need to know right now is that all you've heard and everyone you mention it to has heard, is largely false with a shred of truth

Im just being paranoid I guess because some of these women seem too good to be true.

 

Some of these women are too good to be true. Beware. But many are just as they say they are and better

Oh, FWI I am corresponding through RWGlobe.com

Not the best place to start IMHO

edit*  also, my family requires me to have a prenup signed by any women I marry in general becasue of the family business.  How do RW usually react to such requests.  Are they understanding?

Depends on the woman. That situation could be relatively understandable depending on the business but prenups are generally frowned upon. If you are looking for a lifetime partner, you should plan for a lifetime, don't you think?

-thanks to all for your responses!

You are welcome

[/quote]

In the interests of education:

SCAMMERS are those looking for money, gifts, etc. who have no intention of coming to visit you, enjoy intimacy or get married. This is their job and one of their main sources of income.

SERIAL DATERS are sort of semi-pros who use their temporary boyfriends for a good time, some cash and a bit of travel, you can be optimistic and throw in some western sex as opposed to their normal fare. For these, it's a hobby which can supplement their income a bit and provide some nice vacations in return for their "favors."

GOLDDIGGERS are the women who are looking for the green card and a different life from the one they lead presently. None of us can identify these for you. You are the one talking to them, kissing them, enjoying their company and so on. It's up to you to decide whether she's a damn good actress or the "real thing."

We can provide a lot of help on the SCAMMERS, lots of advice on non-serious SERIAL DATERS, but only a little help with the GOLDDIGGER. Only a couple of clues seem to be evident. A marked preoccupation with getting to your home country as soon as possible, repeated inquiries into your finances which trip your alarm and a preoccupation with the standard of living they can expect while easing into the new society. If she keeps asking what car you will buy her, maybe you should be a bit more cautious. If she starts arguing over a sports car before she gets there, you definitely should rethink your strategy.

Good Luck!

Another good post. Ed is on a roll

[CONCRETE RIVER]

Thanks Ed a Faux!

Faux, why do you think RW is not a good start?  Any recommendation for a better network?

[ECOCKS]

Try Elenas Models (EM). Make your contacts and move quickly to direct contact via email, phone, Skype, etc.

Keep your filters up, read about the warnings in starting a relationship and then hold on tight for a great ride.

[Faux Pas]

Thanks Ed a Faux!

Faux, why do you think RW is not a good start?  Any recommendation for a better network?

They will swamp you with letters from ladies (and charge you to read them and respond to them) who have no idea of you or have read your profile. They try to insure that all correspondence is through their website. They are a mishmash  of many different sites. I know that many of the ladies are real but the agency's vested interest is that you write and not necessarily hook up for real dialogue.

Sure people do and have made serious connections there but it is much more expensive than it needs to be. It was the first place I used as well. I got soaked quickly for a couple hundred bucks before realizing what was going on. I tried a few others with moderate success and then to Elena's where the world was my oyster.

[CONCRETE RIVER]

wow, you guys are awesome, thanks!

btw, ive already started reading up on the scams topic thread its just what I was looking for. 

Also, I will try Elenas today..

-tnx

[russianfront]

Hey dude, welcome aboard!
First advice, there are 2 good websites in my books: Elena's Models and Cuteonly (www.cuteonly.com). Elena's is clearly better but a lot more expensive. Cuteonly is good for lots of letter writing, you can contact as many women as you wish directly once you are a monthly member. I paid $50 for 3 months. You will find that within days on either site you will take your communications off the site and onto real email. Between the 2 sites I guarantee that within 2 weeks you will already be chatting with some ladies who you are interested in, and who are hopefully interested in you. If the lady is too good to be true, too hot, too young, be careful you might be dealing with a scammer. Make sure you get their full names and google that and their email address to see if you come up with any red flags. Letters which are "dreamily in love" sounding within days are sure to be scams. Real women start off slow and cautious until they know you better. And ask lots of questions. If they are not answered or glossed over this is a bad sign. Be realistic about your expecations also. While the 22 year old hotties are nice to look at there is a 50/50 chance that they are scam set-ups - not so much on Elena's and certainly almost everywhere else. I found a couple of scammers on Cuteonly and reported them and they were removed. Both sent up huge warning flags and I quickly ID'd them as scammers through some basic web searches. Also figure out how to trace the IP so you can see where the original email is really coming from. Those tips aside most of the women on Elena's and Cuteonly are legit and really looking, some serious some half-hearted. I have had a few admit to me that they are just chatting for fun and entertainment and they don't take it too seriously...they are not out to scam but they have low expectations of what will come from being on these sites. They don't remove themselves because they think "hey you never know"...
Within a little while you will short-list the women you like best...sounds like you already have one. Great, but add to the list. There are a LOT of women over there, dare I say and endless suppy!...sorry thats kind of rude...but true!
And as far as the English goes, its a good sign not a bad sign!! I wouldn`t do it any other way. The lady that I am chatting with a lot is an English instructor at a university. Its great she understands even my sarcastic humour and I get everything she says.
Good luck to ya mate!!!

[ECOCKS]

EM is $99 for six months. Use it as a dating/social networking site, not an MOB Agency (although they do function under the IMBRA guidelines). As I said, get in direct contact as quickly as possible. Use only those services you really need and keep your criteria firmly in your mind. Common sense should be your guide.

[groovlstk]

wow, you guys are awesome, thanks!

btw, ive already started reading up on the scams topic thread its just what I was looking for. 

Also, I will try Elenas today..

-tnx

If you are using marriage agencies exclusively, you are missing out on the majority of single FSU women. Don't put all your eggs in one basket, as inviting and easy as it may seem.

[Lily]

I have read on other sites that coresponding with RW who speak fluent English and are carrier determined are more likley just looking for US citizenship.

How legit is this accusation?  What are my chances on meeting a RW in general and it turning out to be only a search for citizenship? I ask because one of the women who I am corresponding with is so.

This is really my & my families main concern.

-Thanks

CONCRETE RIVER,

It all depends on how you can distinguish bad women from good women, and the degree of her being into you. To be career oriented and fluent in English is a rather positive and desirable quality per se. Social climbers are usually active and determined people, so if you find a genuine and are lucky to make her love you, she will be your best friend, lover and partner all in one. Such a wife would probably be able to improve your family business as well!

[Daveman]

In the interests of education:

SCAMMERS are those looking for money, gifts, etc. who have no intention of coming to visit you, enjoy intimacy or get married. This is their job and one of their main sources of income.

SERIAL DATERS are sort of semi-pros who use their temporary boyfriends for a good time, some cash and a bit of travel, you can be optimistic and throw in some western sex as opposed to their normal fare. For these, it's a hobby which can supplement their income a bit and provide some nice vacations in return for their "favors."

GOLDDIGGERS are the women who are looking for the green card and a different life from the one they lead presently. None of us can identify these for you. You are the one talking to them, kissing them, enjoying their company and so on. It's up to you to decide whether she's a damn good actress or the "real thing."

We can provide a lot of help on the SCAMMERS, lots of advice on non-serious SERIAL DATERS, but only a little help with the GOLDDIGGER. Only a couple of clues seem to be evident. A marked preoccupation with getting to your home country as soon as possible, repeated inquiries into your finances which trip your alarm and a preoccupation with the standard of living they can expect while easing into the new society. If she keeps asking what car you will buy her, maybe you should be a bit more cautious. If she starts arguing over a sports car before she gets there, you definitely should rethink your strategy.

Good Luck!

And brethren, let us not forget the Golddigger on steroids, the proverbial Status Queen. 

Concrete River, (you don't work =with a Soprano affiliate do you?), lots of information here on RWD.  If you remember only one point concerning distinguishing between "good" or "bad" ladies it's this -- There is absolutely no substitute for getting to know her, inside and out (hey, no comments from the gallery on that one).  You can find seeming "Red Flags" around every corner and under every rug if you try.. so don't be paranoid, but use your god given common sense. Don't rush into a marriage with someone you don't really know. Even if you find a "good one", that is not enough.  Make sure your personalities are similar, that you fit together (sheesh, I feel like a freakin' broken record with that).

As far as the prenup goes - that will be a hit or miss. A woman who loves you will understand your situation with the family business so it really shouldn't be a big deal but it gets a bit more complicated as you need to hire for her a Russian lawyer here so that she is well represented prior to signing anything (in English as well as perfectly translated into Russian).  If her best interest is not represented independently you can pretty much bet the prenup itself will not hold up to challenge.

[CONCRETE RIVER]

got it!  thanks to all.

She does speak fluent English, and claims to be a english major actually. 

As far as the pre-nup goes, it truly isnt my choice.  My family is firm about it because my father got hit hard by a GD a couple of years ago, so now Im paying for his big mistake by the lake. lol. 

Anyhow, I guess im gonna have to try my hardest to convince her of this^ and if she surly does trust me, she should understand right?

[GoodOlBoy]

As far as the pre-nup goes, it truly isnt my choice.  My family is firm about it because my father got hit hard by a GD a couple of years ago, so now Im paying for his big mistake by the lake. lol.

No offense intended CONCRETE RIVER, BUT....How old are you? and what exactly will your "family" do to you if you find some woman and marry her on your own terms?

Instead of their "terms"? 


GOB


BTW...I have to warn you that RW respect "strong" men. They don't like "weak" men.

[JR]

Welcome aboard CR. Two things come to mind and I'll give you the same advice I give to all the newbies. I am certain it'll help you as much as it has helped all of them. Yes, you can ask them

1. I know everything.

2. If there is doubt refer to number one.

I think there are some common threads as to why a RM/UM will seek to find a man outside her local sphere.
A. Perception of finding a 'better' man.
B. Perception of a better life.
C. Perception of a higher status rating.
Fill in the "better/higher" with a whole lot of adjectives but in the end boils down to looking for  "a better deal." Remember, there is nothing wrong with this.

We do the same by seeking a woman outside our local sphere.

[CONCRETE RIVER]

No offense intended CONCRETE RIVER, BUT....How old are you? and what exactly will your "family" do to you if you find some woman and marry her on your own terms?

Instead of their "terms"? 


^no offense taken.  I am 31 years old and own 40% of the family company so IMO they have a right to be concerned.


GOB


BTW...I have to warn you that RW respect "strong" men. They don't like "weak" men.


^IMO "strong"  IS protecting my family as well and not jepordizing the nest egg they worked so hard their entire life for.  You see, I agree with both sides of the argument, thats why I value everyones opinion, even yours.

[CONCRETE RIVER]

Welcome aboard CR. the end boils down to looking for  "a better deal." Remember, there is nothing wrong with this.

We do the same by seeking a woman outside our local sphere.

^thanks for the hospitality and yes, I agree with you.  I do not see the slightest thing wrong with anyone wanting to better themselves.

[groovlstk]

^IMO "strong"  IS protecting my family as well and not risking nest egg they worked their whole life for.

I happen to agree w/your opinion, but this will cut zero ice with most RW I've known.

Many of your local competitors, RM, are willing to spend their last kopeks on a flower for their GF. How do you think you stack up next to that?