4 Agencies Working A Scam Together

[phasar]

I recently ran into a scam agency. When I caught them at it, they of course denied everything and then started harrassing me by email.
 
I found 6 different profiles on a website called Aleksia Agency. http://www.aleksia.net/index.html All of these profiles were from Novosibirsk but I have since learned that the agency in question is supposed to have several offices throughout Russia.
 
In each case these woman had email addresses ending in either @iamhappy.ru or @family-plus.ru.
 
Some of his websites are:
http://www.beautifulrussia.com/
http://www.family-plus.ru/
http://www.iamhappy.ru
 
When I wrote these women I received read receipts from one woman, and she was not any of the women I had written to. And I received the read receipts all at the same time.
 
I informed Aleksia Agency that someone was running a scam on their site. Their response was to deny this and then forward me on to the owner of another agency. Aleksia Agency was knowingly letting another agency post on their site.
 
Since then I have received ablout 10 or 12 harrassing emails from the owner of the other agency.
 
I was conversing with one woman from one of the agencies (http://www.family-plus.ru). Every email she mentioned the agency. I had to rent an apartment from them when I came, I had to get an interpreter from them (I speak Russian), etc. etc. I told her I would phone her when I arrived and of course she refused to give me her cell phone number. When I finally said I was willing to meet her any time and anywhere but I would not have anything to do with the agency, she stopped writing.
 
I would suggest that everyone stay away from all 4 of these agencies as they are all in collusion.
 
Sincerely
Frank Fileccia
Canada

[Jack]

Frank, thanks for this information.

This is the type of information when shared that will expose and hinder the operations of scam agencies.

[Rvrwind]

Well done Frank...

Slowly but surely we will put all or at least most of these scam agencies out of buisness. They are a blight on society & make it even more difficult for honest agencies to operate.

RVR-Canadian Cowboy/Agency Owner

[Bruno]

Frank, thanks for this information.

This is the type of information when shared that will expose and hinder the operations of scam agencies.

Maybe we go to much fast for speak about scam agency...

I have check the site of Aleksia... in English, i find some menu ( inactif ) about membership, pay by letter, etc... but when i select the scandinavisk version, the site is running very fine... a real free site with direct contact via a form ( a little like freepersonals.ru )...

It seem that the site is in full transformation to a full free service... in the time of the post of "phasar", the english page with price was always active but don't work anymore today...

Of course, it is possible that some scammer women have infiltrate the site or that some scam agency use it... but this don't make these agency a scam herself...

By example, http://www.aleksia.net/membership.html is a page that you can no more access via the main door of the site ( i have memorized the link previously :cool: )...

Now, check at http://www.aleksia.net/faq-nor.html#4 ... this is the norvegian part of the faq... men can have contact information of the ladies for free... no charge... they explain that women pay for be member of the site  ...

How can a free agency scam someone ?

Phasar, is it possible that you post some prove of these scam, or the harrassing e-mail... it is your first post, we don't know you...

And by experience, i know that some pay agency don't like free service, they use all is possible to stop hem... the last action that i have know recently is a big russian agency who have inform mail.ru that the mail server of my provider was a spam server... it was not more possible to contal ladies with a e-mail address with mail.ru during one week...

And i find strange that you have e-mail address of the lady since they use a form and don't publish a e-mail... and when a lady reply to you via form, the e-mail is ended by @aleksia.net or @dioritz.com

Sorry but i am a person who need evidence... free accusation is too much easy...

 

 

[Bruno]

http://www.aleksia.net/index.html 
http://www.beautifulrussia.com/
http://www.family-plus.ru/
http://www.iamhappy.ru

Aleksia is located in Norway

beautifulrussia.com don't exist anymore

Family-plus have main office in Ekaterinburg, other office in Moscow and Sebastopol

iamhappy is part of a big international group called singlenet located in Mallorca, Balleares...

About collusion :

aleksia WAS/IS associate with http://www.dioritz.com/English.html and http://www.ariadnaconnection.com/

family-plus is pure independent russian groupe/site

iamhappy was part of single.net, a international spain group... but these group have break down some time ago... several of the domain name are "for sale" now... since iamhappy refert to something who don't exist anymore ( singlenet.net ), this seem suspicious...

It is not possible that independant scammer use the agency... never forget that agency are not sure at 100%... myself, with all control i make, i have remove from my site 3 potential scammer in one year ( suspicious e-mail send by the women to men )...

[Aleksia]

Hello to everybody.
I got a letter today from one of the members of this forum, with the information about discussion regarding our agency here.
I am the owner of Aleksia Dating Agency and several other sites, so I think I need to clarify a situation about Franks' accusations. 
I prefer to publish Frank's letter to us here and our answer to him and you can judge yourself if any of the girls he mentioned can be called scammers, or it's Frank who has not sincere and serious intentions here. 

 Letter received from Frank November 09, 2005

 The following profiles on your site are a scam. I wrote to these 4 women. They all have a free email account with iamhappy.ru. I have my mail reader set to get a read receipt. They were all read by the same woman. Her name is Elena Osipenko osipenkoelena@iamhappy.ru.

The four scam profiles are:
Valentina Marsova
http://www.aleksia.net/profile.php?id=F464&lang=en

Marina Ananenko
http://www.aleksia.net/profile.php?id=F427&lang=en

Lyuba Zaitseva
http://www.aleksia.net/profile.php?id=F463&lang=en

Evgenia Popkova
http://www.aleksia.net/profile.php?id=F396&lang=en

 I would like to suggest that you delete these profiles

Sincerely
Frank Fileccia

 

Our answer to him the same day: 

Hello Frank
Thank you for your letter.
Did any of these women ask money from you? Or anything else?
I do not think so. So what is the reason that you do call them scammers?
If you will see more clearly, all these women are published as paid profiles. It means women paid for their ads to be translated and published and men do not need to pay for the contact with them.
Do you think scammers will do it?
I can tell you more - all these women came through the local dating agency in Novosibirsk, with whom we are cooperating for a long time and the fact that they have their e-mail addresses opened on one server @iamhappy.ru because the agency opened this domain especially for the mail purposes, for their women.
So, if you were scammed, any of these women asked money from you, please, send us their letters with the request of money, or any hits of scam and we will take this case with them personally.
If you judge your opinion only on the case that they have mail accounts on one domain - a lot of women are opening accounts on free domains, including men, who use yahoo.com, hotmail.com, gmail.com, etc. and it does not make any of them scammers.
Scammers are people who are trying to use you for their personal purposes, for money, etc.
Sincerely
Administrator 

 
Answer from Frank the same day: 
 
I do not really care that she is using a free webmail server, or that she paid for their profiles.
The point that you seem to be missing is that it was the same woman that retrieved all the emails and answered all of them.
It has been my experience that when one woman answers emails to 4 different profiles, then it is obviously a scam.
And your defence of this woman and her 4 profiles certainly also makes your website suspect.

 

Our answer to Frank the same day:

 

Hello
All the women check their e-mails in the local agency. Why did you decide it was answered by one woman? Do you have any prove?
If you have - please, send it to us and we will investigate the case. If no - you do not have a right to accuse somebody for doing such things. Do not you think so?
I see that you wrote to all these women, so, you can ask their tel. numbers and call to each of them to see that they do exist.
We delete scammers regularly, but we always do it when we have evidence from men. Give us any prove of your words, please. 
Administrator   

 


Frank did not write to us anything about these women or our answers to him.
But we have informed the agency, via whom these girls were published and this is the answer they sent to Frank,, the same day: 

 


Dear Sir,

Our partners from Norway have transferred us, what you had what that suspicions in relation to our clients?
I wish to assure you, that all your mail has been transferred strictly to that ladies to whom you have written. 
Well Elena Osipenko could not answer you for all four in any way... It is simply unreal... I can lift all archive and to compare.. It be simple cannot! 
My agency works 8 years and at me is simple cannot any deceit and swindlers!!! At us small agency and we have an opportunity to know all ladies personally. I very strictly watch order and simply I do not suppose similar things. 
I have specially got for each lady a separate mail box and all mail from men goes only through my agency. Also all answers of lady go only through my agency. I have opened the archive and I see, that Elena Osipenko simply could not be responsible for whom that. You will find all In the appendix answers of lady to you. You can be convinced that a e-mail of the address at all lady different.
I can admit, that there was what that a technical mistake. I now shall communicate with the service-center, but it is any image cannot be fraud!
In any case all can be solved problems mine by. And it seems to me is not necessary to accuse of whom that not having understood in a situation.
My best regards. 
If you have any questions don't hesitate to ask us for an answer.
Best regards,
Viktor Korelchuk
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Director of Amenity Intl. Marriage Agency
e-mail: viktor@amenint.com
http://www.beautifulrussia.com
Phone: +7 (383) 3465378 

 

Later, this agency resent to Frank his letters to their clients and answers from the women to him. These letters were not, as Frank called it here: 

Since then I have received ablout 10 or 12 harrassing emails from the owner of the other agency

 
Aleksia site is totally free - for men and women. Both male's and female's profiles here are paid. Which means that it's totally free to contact them.

So, what was the scam exactly here?

Frank, as I found out from the owner of the agency Amenity, you wrote the same day a lot of letters to their girls, which does not really indicate your serious intentions, but again, it's your business! Some of the girls decided to answer to you, some not. NO ONE asked you money, or anything. Their agency also did not ask you anything.
It will be interesting to know to hear your side of the story.
I asked you to give me the proof of the scam. I have never heard from you again.

We are the member of several anti-scam organizations. We were one of two recommended agencies of RussianBlackList, when it was working. We have a lot of clients all over the world and we never had any problems regarding our reputation.
On other our sites we present also catalogue of women where men have to pay to contact girls and yes, of course sometimes it's happening that a scammer can be found among these girls. We always delete scammers and we inform ALL our members about possibility to scam, or any hint that a girl looks suspicious.
On our pages we have Anti-Scam information, informing men not to send money to the women. 
So, I would like one more to ask you - what is your accusations? And what right do you have to call us scammers?!

 
For Bruno:

By example, http://www.aleksia.net/membership.html is a page that you can no more access via the main door of the site ( i have memorized the link previously )...

Now, check at http://www.aleksia.net/faq-nor.html#4 ... this is the norvegian part of the faq... men can have contact information of the ladies for free... no charge... they explain that women pay for be member of the site  

 
Thank you for publishing this information here. It's our fault. When we relocated to a new server, it was some mix-up with the pages, it's fixed now.

 

I was conversing with one woman from one of the agencies (http://www.family-plus.ru). Every email she mentioned the agency. I had to rent an apartment from them when I came, I had to get an interpreter from them (I speak Russian), etc. etc. I told her I would phone her when I arrived and of course she refused to give me her cell phone number. When I finally said I was willing to meet her any time and anywhere but I would not have anything to do with the agency, she stopped writing.

 
We do not have any contacts or cooperation with http://www.family-plus.ru/, which you have mentioned here.

And why do you mention them here, in the discussion about us?

If you had any bad experience with another agency, not associated with us, please, do not blame our agency for that! 

 

[phasar]

The women respond to you directly and their emails are as I mentioned above.

I've been chatting/conversing/meeting russian women for about 5 years. I can spot a scam in the first letter, and I usually come across one a week at the least. I don't usually do anything about it except hit the delete key. But when I started getting harrassing emails from the agencies in question, I decided I would do something this time. So I posted their information on this, and other boards.

Everything you say about those sites is true, except that it doesn't say anywhere that any of them are for sale. And its not too hard to figure out how a 'free' site makes money. They advertise themselves in every email they send out. You go to meet a girl, you rent an apartment from them, you get an interpreter from  them, you speak russian, you need a chaperone from them....... and  on, and on, and on....

And if you didn't figure it out from my previous posts, emails going to @iamhappy.ru are answered by family-plus using the iamhappy.ru email, and the signature on the emails from the owner of family plus, who was harassing me for over a week, list all those websites

http://www.beautifulrussia.com/
http://www.family-plus.ru/
http://www.iamhappy.ru

And when I'm in Yekaterinburg next week I'll be checking out Family Plus.

As far as Aleksia is concerned, if you re-read what I posted I did not say that Aleksia was a scam. What I said was that Aleksia is knowingly allowing profiles to be posted by other agencies and not by the women themselves.

I'm not too thrilled about being called a liar by someone who obviously has their own dating site.  I posted about these agencies in good conscience. I was not being malicious or vindictive. I was taking the time to warn those of us who are active in the internet dating community.

You on the other hand, seem to have way too much time on your hands, as evidenced by the fact that you seem to have the time to check and try to disprove every posting to this board, and by the fact that you have 1909 posts on this board.

1909 posts????? Do you even remember what a girl looks like?

You know me about as much as I know you, which is ZERO. You can either believe me or not. That is up to you and I do not really care one way or another. I am not trying to prove something, and I certainly do not have to prove anything to you. I doubt very much that anyone is required to show proof before they  post a warning, and I won't be providing anything either.

You are not the owner of this board and you are not a moderator on this board. If that were the case, then this board would obviously not be as successful as it is. So I would suggest that unless you have something constructive or helpful to post, that you don't post at all.

[phasar]

When I wrote the above answer I was responding to Bruno. However while I was writing my response, the post by Aleksia Agency came through.

I stand by what I said about those agencies, and I repeat that I did not call Aleksia a scam. Furthermore, they did not post ALL the emails, just the first couple.

As far as my intentions are concerned, how many letters I write is not an issue. It's called the shotgun approach. You find a bunch of women who interest you, write them all, and then narrow it down from there.

I've actually met about 15 of the  women I write, 10 of which were in Russia, Estonia and the Ukraine. And I'm, going back again next week. When I find what I'm looking for I'll stop writing.

Oh and Bruno, I guess I've just figured out what everyone else on this board already knew.. You're an ( | )

 

Hey Dan, don't bother fixing the avatar problem because if this is the type of board you're running I wont be back. Maybe you should just give up and hand the board over to Bruno

Frank

[Bruno]

Hey Dan, don't bother fixing the avatar problem because if this is the type of board you're running I wont be back. Maybe you should just give up and hand the board over to Bruno

Dan is the only one master here... i am a member like other... and yes, if you think that these board will "drink" your words without question, you are at the wrong place... the letter D from RWD mean "discussion"...

 

[Aleksia]

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And its not too hard to figure out how a 'free' site makes money. They advertise themselves in every email they send out. You go to meet a girl, you rent an apartment from them, you get an interpreter from  them, you speak russian, you need a chaperone from them....... and  on, and on, and on....[/font][/size]

 Seems like you are a professional, as you are long in the "wife hunting business". I can not call it differently, as I am always suspicious to the men who are looking for their second half (if of course it's what they are looking for) for several years and can not find it.
There are a lot of good women out where and it does not take years to meet a right one, if you are serious, sincere and know what you want. You go for it!

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About free agencies. Let me tell you how I am working. I can not be responsible for other free sites, but you mentioned my agency here, so I am answering for myself.

We have two kinds of services - free for men - when a woman can publish her profile for free and men should pay for the contact with her. This service is provided on our other sites.
And free for women - when a woman is paying for her profile's publication and men can contact her free.
That is why we have a free agency. And no, we do not advertise ourselves on the forums, in e-mails, etc. we are well known in Russia and CIS as a serious agency, who are providing a possibility for men and women to meet each other.
We do not provide trips to Russia, apartments renting, flower delivery service, obligatory translation service.
Why? Because we do not have time and desire to do it. We just help people to come in a contact with each other. 

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I'm not too thrilled about being called a liar by someone who obviously has their own dating site.  I posted about these agencies in good conscience. I was not being malicious or vindictive. I was taking the time to warn those of us who are active in the internet dating community. No, you did not do it to warn others. To warn about what? How can you call a woman a scammer if she is not? How will you feel if a woman will call you a scammer and will publish your name, surname, your e-mail address in Male Black List?

I agree that it's a necessary thing to fight with scammers, but I think that it should be proved that a man or a woman is a scammer!

You wrote to us and asked us to delete these women. Why? Because they did not answer to you? Or rejected you? Or what? 

 

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Furthermore, they did not post ALL the emails, just the first couple.
I published letters which you have sent to US and what WE have answered to you. But if you insist, I will contact the agency, to whom you wrote, and ask them to publish their answers and your letters to them here. 

 

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What I said was that Aleksia is knowingly allowing profiles to be posted by other agencies and not by the women themselves.
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As you already know, we are not located in Russia, but in Scandinavia. Most of the women prefer to pay for our services via their local agency. Why? Because it's more secure for them, because in this case they do not want to deal with international money transfers, etc. So, 99% of the women paid and published their profiles directly. Some of the women in Novosibirsk did not via their local agency. We have been working with them for the past year and NO ONE TIME we had any chance to notice anything suspicious about them. The daughter of the owner is also married in Norway. They have a lot of clients who married in USA, Scandinavia and other countries.

[Bruno]

Why Aleksia is free? Because we decided to open one site where women who paid for their profiles will get all the attention from men. When they are coming to dioritz, or to any other page where both paid and free profiles are presented, men pay most of their attention to the youngest and the most beautiful women and I do not think this is fair.

 

Aleksia exist to give a change to woman who are not the hyper sexy young babe... these women are really wishing find a husband and pay for the service... in some way, not very far of the Richard site : "mature women for mature men"... not specialy "mature" in the meaning of old but more about mind maturity.

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[jb]

Oh and Bruno, I guess I've just figured out what everyone else on this board already knew.. You're an ( | )

[Bruno]

Oh and Bruno, I guess I've just figured out what everyone else on this board already knew.. You're an ( | )

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Our dear friend Frank have move his complain to a antiscam forum... and have involve me with the other agency... no chance for him, i have follow him and post my reply there too... and i have see the e-mail with header send to me by the agency... so now, i know who is really the ( | ) :cool:

 

 

[jb]

So, Bruno, you are an internet stalker as well as you many other shady talents.

I'm sort of with Frank on this one, I think he's being played.   For all the agency owner's mastication, giration, and manipulation, she  never did satifactorily explain why the same woman in her office opened  6 emails not addressed to her.  In his position I'd be very  suspicious too.

It's very hard for the newbie to find an honest, ethical, and  trustworthy agency in the first place, then a man is faced with the  paltry subterfuge of email tampering, this should be a tip off that the  woman you thought you were writing to is not what you got.  What  else are they hiding?

Better give this agency a miss.
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[Aleksia]

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I'm sort of with Frank on this one, I think he's being played.  For all the agency owner's mastication, giration, and manipulation, she never did satifactorily explain why the same woman in her office opened 6 emails not addressed to her.  In his position I'd be very suspicious too[/size][/font]

 

jb, I think you have to reread Frank's posting. A woman did not have the same address, it was different women and different addresses, but the same @mail server, opened for the clients by the agency. All the girls received Frank's letters to them. Some answered to him, some not.

By the way, he accepted his mistake, I got the copy of his letter to the other agency, with whom he had an argument, but he refused to apologies to us and never wrote anything. He just decided to post information about us as scammers here.

So, it is up to you, whose side to take, but no girl tried to scam Frank and he has accepted it here as well.


 

[jb]

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When  I wrote these women I received read receipts from one woman, and she  was not any of the women I had written to. And I received the read  receipts all at the same time.

You continue to dance a jig around the issue, since the email was not  opened by the specific addressee(s), Frank has no assurance the mail  was actually ever read the woman/women he thought he was writing  to.  That, IMHO, is a very strange way to run a railroad.   Frank never indicated the woman/women were scammers, or that any one of them ever asked him for money, it was the  intregrity of the agency that was brought into question.

Based on what I've read here I wouldn't recommend your agency to my friends.
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[Aleksia]

Jb, frankly speaking, I do not care if you will recommend my agency or not. First of all, it's free, and as you know, in this case women do not have any lack of letters.

Secondly, I have enough clients, who know about our services and our reputation, and no, I am not dancing around. I just do not like people telling untruth and playing around.

Yes, I agree, there are a lot of unserious agencies, and the same - there are a lot of unserious men or women, but it does not mean that you have to generalize everybody.

[Bruno]

A newbies !!! "I've been chatting/conversing/meeting russian women for about 5 years"...

 

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[jb]

Maybe it's just me, but I'd still like to see an explaination as to why  6 emails were opened and read by someone other than the  addressees.  This has still not been answered.

Bruno,

I thought you were awful quick to call Frank a liar, and even quicker  to jump to the defense of another agency owner.  Kinda makes me  think there might be some collusion going on here.

[groovlstk]

Maybe it's just me, but I'd still like to see an explaination as to why 6 emails were opened and read by someone other than the addressees.  This has still not been answered.

I don't think it's possible to know that the same person opened all six emails with a read receipt. At best, the receipt can tell you that the emails were opened on the same computer (or a computer on that network).

[Bruno]

If you have read my 2 post who have follow the first post of Frank, i have make only some search over the different site and ask him evidence... in the same time, i have contact the agency for ask what is going on... in so situation, it is the normal way to hear what the two side have to say... before judge... he have himself supposed that i call him a liar because i ask evidence... jb, if i accuse you to be a criminal, don't you think that i need to prove it ? What is your own conception of justice... kill first and ask after maybe ! It is not collusion here, i have not know these site before the post of Frank ( but now, it is in my list of free site  )... it is only the quest to the true... maybe it is your natural allergie to agency who make you think that you are facing the great conspiracy of marriage agency... open your mind and try to think with a rational and impartial mind.

[jb]

Bruno,

I've said it before and I'll say it again, you are one sick puppy.  I haven't seen such convoluted logic since Moses was a messcook on De Nile. 

[Bruno]

I don't think it's possible to know that the same person opened all six emails with a read receipt. At best, the receipt can tell you that the emails were opened on the same computer (or a computer on that network).

In some way, it is possible... if the function for send a read receipt is automatic ( i am lazy and i don't wish click each time "yes" when someone send a e-mail with a read request e-mail...

Below, a example of a read recept send by my computer :

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Reply-To: "Ads Man Love From Russia" <ads.man@love-from-russia.be>
From: "Ads Man Love From Russia" <ads.man@love-from-russia.be>
To: <PLM_178545@communication.telenet.be>
References: <78723.1132177170178.JavaMail.produser@tnet162>
Subject: Gelezen: Belangrijke werken aan het kabelnetwerk
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 23:29:32 +0100
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/report;
 report-type=disposition-notification;
 boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C5EB05.98EF7180"
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

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Content-Type: text/plain;
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Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dit is een bevestiging voor de e-mail die u verzonden hebt naar
<*****@telenet.be> om 16/11/2005 22:39

Deze bevestiging geeft aan dat het bericht is weergegeven op het scherm =
van de ontvanger om 16/11/2005 23:29
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Like you can see, it was send to one of my personal e-mail address ( *****@telenet.be ) but the default setting of automatic reply in case of read receipt will always send the same e-mail address who is ads.man@love-from-russia.be ... the first e-mail address in my list of 15 own e-mail address... same thing with autoreply...

So, it can be that the e-mail from the autoreply is not from the persone who have read the e-mail... in case of local webserver... this can happen with a remote webserver too when several e-mail are allocated to a domain name... but in these case, the IP can help to see if different computer are used...

PS : i have change the first part of my personal e-mail address... but if some have doubt over the reality of these example, i am ready to send a true copy in .eml format to Dan who can verify that i have change nothing.

[Bruno]

Bruno,

I've said it before and I'll say it again, you are one sick puppy.  I haven't seen such convoluted logic since Moses was a messcook on De Nile. 

Jb... like usual, you begin insult and attack when you are short in argument...  

[Michelangelo]

Bruno,

I've said it before and I'll say it again, you are one sick puppy. I haven't seen such convoluted logic since Moses was a messcook onDe Nile.

Jb... like usual, you begin insult and attack when you are short in argument...
[/quote]It's sad when some of our senior members jump on the bandwagen ansd scream "SCAM."  Sorry,  JB--but you are the one short on logic in this case.  Mindless attacks like the one above on Bruno are not productive for the members of this board.

Here's what I know about agencies that you so quickly attack:

1)  A man can find a great girl in a bad agency;

2)  Great agencies, including some of the "recommended" ones on this board, have bad girls;

3)  Men are also scammers, taking advantage of girls who are serious minded while the man is not;

4) Newcomers should take advantage of agency services, but proceed with caution.

I hope RWD members will offfer their advice, like mine above, rather than attacking and personally insulting other members of this board who are trying to contribute to the discussion.