Can you meet RW on sites like Match and Yahoo personals?

[Aloe]

I do not believe sincere ladies are even looking to leave the FSU.. they will do it for love.  Anyone who says they are specifically looking to leave should be handled as a GCG.  Sorry if that offends anyone.

i was looking to move, to move for love, but still move, does it make me insincere part of the reason i started looking abroad is wanting an adventure. I wouldn't move with unloved person for the sake of moving, only with someone i love, but still, that doesn't cancel out the fact that it would be fun to change environment and was one of the motivators. so by your classification i'm insincere and a GCG hahaha.

[HiTech]

am biased and jaded by anything to do with making money on people meeting for love, regardless if it is a foreign women site or any American based dating sites that charge members.  For all our complaints about agency sites being corrupt or scammish frankly eharmony and match and the others are not much better if at all.  I went through hell to get a profile removed from eharmony and stop their spam and not one of their matches was really a match.  Its just very good marketing that preys on peoples loneliness.

Wow you must really hate life and have an extremely high opinion of yourself, because I have not heard such a load of BS in a long time.
In fact the attitude you portray in this statement is the full blown socialist / reliance on other people attitude.

am biased and jaded by anything to do with making money on people meeting for love,

You must hate almost everyone one because.

1. The government makes money on a marriage license.
2. How dare people charge you rent for a place to get married.
3. How dare a they charge you money for food at your reception.
4. That dam DG is such a creep because he wanted money to come to your wedding a play.
5. That store should have given me the flowers for free, because I wanted those flowers for love.
5. How dare the grocery store charge me for food,because I am buying it for my engagement /romance dinner.

Simple fact ,Normal online dating sights are providing a service for people to meet. People use this service because it allows them a larger group of people to find the one they are looking for.

I am not an eharmony fan, but I do believe they try to match people, the reason why is simply because they reject people who do not fit there software profiles.(I know, they rejected my profile) The 2nd reason I believe they try is because it is simply good business to have better matches. Of course your ego believes it is eharmony fault, and nothing to do with your specific personality.

What was the reason you were looking out side the USA again? Maybe because you are a difficult person to match like most of us who expanded our area of search?

HiTech

[groovlstk]

If you want to meet RW already in the US sign up at Russian dating sites like www.missingheart.ru

There are thousands of single (and married) RW living here who are looking to meet local guys.

[Faux Pas]

I am biased and jaded by anything to do with making money on people meeting for love, regardless if it is a foreign women site or any American based dating sites that charge members.  For all our complaints about agency sites being corrupt or scammish frankly eharmony and match and the others are not much better if at all.  I went through hell to get a profile removed from eharmony and stop their spam and not one of their matches was really a match.  Its just very good marketing that preys on peoples loneliness.

I feel if a woman is already in the US and is using an agency site there is something not right with her intentions.  There are simply way too many other resources available.  But, then again, I am biased.

Social networks are the way to go IMO for any form of internet communication, with people you already know, or for meeting new people.

And, you know darn well I don't think getting here is the main motivation for a lot of women.  I mentioned earlier I had spoken today with a guy from AFA regarding the internet auctions.  he was telling me about a women that used to be on the site who was attractive but average and never got any attention on their site.  She eventually made millions on the Russian stock market.. no western man ever sent her a single letter.  I do not believe sincere ladies are even looking to leave the FSU.. they will do it for love.  Anyone who says they are specifically looking to leave should be handled as a GCG.  Sorry if that offends anyone.

HiTech already answered most of this pretty much as I would have so I'll only ask as to what I bolded. Your statement again leads one to believe you think all FSUW only enter into relationships to come to the US. This simply isn't true Sculpt. Sure some do and I think we all recognize that. There is still an inordinate amount who marry and move for love. Will it not bother you with this logic that if your Tomsk lady does move to the US to be with you that she is only with you, to relocate to the US? What happens when she gets here? Do you expect she'll wind up on Yahoo Personals or EM?

What are the "way too many" other resources? Once a RW relocates to the US and assimilates or not she is still one of the female population of the US who could possibly looking for love and companionship. What would be her need at this point to scam? She's already here. I found several of these ladies interesting and none of them raised a flag as to nefarious intentions.

[Aloe]

i think what sculpto meant by the statement you bolded, was that why on earth would you post a profile on EM if your in the usa, if you can do it on the local websites (and from my experience, you get MUCH better looking and much better quality men write to you on local websites than on EM and other international websites)

[Faux Pas]

i think what sculpto meant by the statement you bolded, was that why on earth would you post a profile on EM if your in the usa, if you can do it on the local websites (and from my experience, you get MUCH better looking and much better quality men write to you on local websites than on EM and other international websites)

It would seem to me (keep in mind I am not a RW) that if a RW were looking for a AM that was looking for a RW, why wouldn't I post a profile where they were looking?

Why would you think the men on the American sites are a much better quality than men on EM?? I think this would be a big misconception on your part.

[Sculpto]

i was looking to move, to move for love, but still move, does it make me insincere part of the reason i started looking abroad is wanting an adventure. I wouldn't move with unloved person for the sake of moving, only with someone i love, but still, that doesn't cancel out the fact that it would be fun to change environment and was one of the motivators. so by your classification i'm insincere and a GCG hahaha.

No Aloe.. thats not true.. looking for a little adventure is not a negative in my eyes, as long as it goes with love.  I once corresponded with a woman from Dneprotrvosk.  She asked me to marry her before we met.  She wanted to leave Ukraine.  I said what about love?  She said that was included.. what she meant is sex was included. 

Thats a big difference between your stated intention and hers.

[Sculpto]

Wow you must really hate life and have an extremely high opinion of yourself, because I have not heard such a load of BS in a long time.
In fact the attitude you portray in this statement is the full blown socialist / reliance on other people attitude.

You must hate almost everyone one because.

1. The government makes money on a marriage license.
2. How dare people charge you rent for a place to get married.
3. How dare a they charge you money for food at your reception.
4. That dam DG is such a creep because he wanted money to come to your wedding a play.
5. That store should have given me the flowers for free, because I wanted those flowers for love.
5. How dare the grocery store charge me for food,because I am buying it for my engagement /romance dinner.

Simple fact ,Normal online dating sights are providing a service for people to meet. People use this service because it allows them a larger group of people to find the one they are looking for.

I am not an eharmony fan, but I do believe they try to match people, the reason why is simply because they reject people who do not fit there software profiles.(I know, they rejected my profile) The 2nd reason I believe they try is because it is simply good business to have better matches. Of course your ego believes it is eharmony fault, and nothing to do with your specific personality.

What was the reason you were looking out side the USA again? Maybe because you are a difficult person to match like most of us who expanded our area of search?

HiTech

HiTech.. your comments are some of the meanest and useless I have ever seen on this site.  The conclusions you draw from my statement are so full of hyperbole and assumption I don't even know were to begin.  In fact, they do not deserve a response.  GTH.

[Sculpto]

Faux...

If an FSUW is already in the US, and has been so for some time, unless she lives in a vacuum she would be aware that most men could care less if she is Russian or not. 

And, just being in the US is no reason for her NOT to scam.  Are you aware that the largest number of female scammers in the world are right here in the USA.  It just doesnt get publicized the same way because men just write those sorts of ladies off as gold diggers and users and part time hookers.  yet, their methods are not unlike those used by GCGs and other categories of scammers we call out from the FSU. 

For someone as worldly as you claim to be sometimes you come off as really clueless about the world. 

[HiTech]

HiTech.. your comments are some of the meanest and useless I have ever seen on this site.  The conclusions you draw from my statement are so full of hyperbole and assumption I don't even know were to begin.  In fact, they do not deserve a response.  GTH.

I apologize for my post, this statement

I am biased and jaded by anything to do with making money on people meeting for love, regardless if it is a foreign women site or any American based dating sites that charge members.

I read the wrong way, when I responded I read it as meaning, "I do not think people should charge money for anything to do with love", hence my response, after reading your statement again i read it more as, "I am down/depressed/jaded ... with people in the dating business" .

HiTech

[Misha]

Why would you think the men on the American sites are a much better quality than men on EM?? I think this would be a big misconception on your part.

I would wager that you have much fewer very attractive and fit 20 to 25 year old men on American sites than on EM, but then again, these men are not likely to be on dating sites as they usually don't have that hard of a time finding young women to date  :evil:

[Sculpto]

I apologize for my post, this statement

I read the wrong way, when I responded I read it as meaning, "I do not think people should charge money for anything to do with love", hence my response, after reading your statement again i read it more as, "I am down/depressed/jaded ... with people in the dating business" .

HiTech

apology accepted..

and yes you are now exactly correct about what I meant.  After a few years on agency sites and a few years before that on "traditional" dating sites I have come to believe that those who are capitalizing on the lonliness of people are some of the worst kinds of parasites out there.  Everyone wants to make an easy buck and what easier way is there than to promise love to someone without it.  Its really predatory on some of the most emotionally vulnerable people in the world.  Show a picture of a pretty girl or a hunky guy and write the words.. Love awaits you, and peoples imagination fill in the rest of it.  MAD TV used to do an hilarious sketch called "Lowered Expectations".. anyone remember it?

Way back in the prehistoric ages of the internet when AOL was starting to boom some of the AOL chat rooms were amazing places to meet people.  (from about 96-2001)  I can not even remember how many cool ladies I ended up meeting once I figured out how to screen out the liars.  But, it was the liars that made AOL chats start to dwindle and dwindle they did.  People became frustrated and they wanted a better/safer place to meet.  People signed up in droves for dating sites, only to learn they offered no greater safety from liars than AOL did.  And then.. the owners of the bigger dating sites started selling affiliates.  Nowadays you can "buy" a ready made dating site for very little money, rebrand the front page and you are ready to rock and roll.  They come preloaded with a million or more profiles.. nevermind that no one responds to their profiles anymore.. nevermind that the sites are duplicates of every other site out there.. all you have to do is spam the hell out of a few million suckers.. and the newer they are to the web the better.. and wammo instant new members burning 29.99 a month for nothing.  Now there are dating sites full of profiles that members never respond to.. everyone is migrating to social networking sites because you can control who sees your profile and how you make connections with people.  Thats why you hear me saying over and over again anyone who is paying to meet women, regardless of whether they are in the USA, Europe, Australia or the FSU is not only wasting time and money but they are really on the sucker list of fools waiting to be scammed.

Ok, rant over.. please proceed.  

[Sculpto]

Faux.. take a look sometimes at the men on FSUW sites.. it can be a bit shocking..

[SMS60]

Sculpto has been hitting the bong today.

[groovlstk]

Why would you think the men on the American sites are a much better quality than men on EM?? I think this would be a big misconception on your part.

I suspect Aloe's remark is true. Just one out of many reasons I can surmise off the top of my noggin is that too many guys looking for women in the FSU have an inflated sense of entitlement and attempt to date way out of their league. I can't blame a guy for aiming too high but I met plenty of young women who received nasty responses if they told an old geezer they were looking for someone closer to their age, etc.

I also believe there are many men going the MOB route because they have been rejected by their peers and see it as their last chance to snag a pretty wife.

[Sculpto]

Sculpto has been hitting the bong today.

not at all sms60.. on the contrary.. its just a hot button issue for me.. just like yesterday when the whole ebay/afa auction thing came to light.. it just about sent me into a rage and I spent an hour on the phone with AFA.  The result of that phone call remains to be seen, but, with the CS rep I was able to identify several known scammers from Kherson, and also identify dozens of others from the same affiliate agency, which I believe is a branch of the now well known scam agency Orchid from Odessa.  I was able to ID at least 75 profiles from that office and the AFA CS agent agreed there was something fishy with when so many barely legal half naked hotties ready to marry up to 55 and all of whom love sex and Jesus and have the same or similiar backgrounds in their photos.  I hope they live up to their word and drop that affiliate. 

[Faux Pas]

Faux...

If an FSUW is already in the US, and has been so for some time, unless she lives in a vacuum she would be aware that most men could care less if she is Russian or not

. 

Whether she has been here for sometime or not makes no difference. She is here thus has no reason to scam to get here. Likely she is well on her way to her green card. I have not anywhere stated that there are not any of these women scammers. I stated that none whom I communicated with seemed to be scamming in any fashion. Merely wanted to meet men for dating and possible relationships. They are RW in the US and apparently looking for AM that are looking for RW. Maybe there were looking for RM already here, I don't really know.

And, just being in the US is no reason for her NOT to scam.  Are you aware that the largest number of female scammers in the world are right here in the USA.  It just doesnt get publicized the same way because men just write those sorts of ladies off as gold diggers and users and part time hookers.  yet, their methods are not unlike those used by GCGs and other categories of scammers we call out from the FSU.

Why no Sculpt, I was not aware that the largest number of scammers were right here in the USA. You have some hard data to back up this most unusual claim? I suspect you pulled it out of your anus just as the remark about all the RW scam to get here. I noticed you avoided my question about your lady from Tomsk. Was that intentional?

Sculpt, RW who arrive here and find themselves single are just as inclined to stick a profile on the personal sites as an AW who has spent their lives here. Why is it so difficult to believe they can be sincere?

For someone as worldly as you claim to be sometimes you come off as really clueless about the world. 

More dingleberries from Sculpt? I've never claimed to be worldly Sculpto. I have a modicum of experience in a few areas. I've traveled a somewhat. I have a relatively good education and so far have lived a pretty interesting life. The best accomplishment in my life so far is, I've raised some great kids. Where I have some knowledge and someone could use it, I don't mind sharing it. I believe in helping anyone, anywhere I can. I ain't perfect and I recognize it but I try to live a good life. If any of that bothers you, I apologize in advance but rest assured I'm not going to change.

[Faux Pas]

Faux.. take a look sometimes at the men on FSUW sites.. it can be a bit shocking..

I've never had an interest in checking out the men on the personals site but I don't doubt it can be shocking. The women on the personals are quite shocking too. But I will state this with a degree of certainty, it is a good representative pool of the society we live in.,

[Faux Pas]

I suspect Aloe's remark is true. Just one out of many reasons I can surmise off the top of my noggin is that too many guys looking for women in the FSU have an inflated sense of entitlement and attempt to date way out of their league. I can't blame a guy for aiming too high but I met plenty of young women who received nasty responses if they told an old geezer they were looking for someone closer to their age, etc.

I also believe there are many men going the MOB route because they have been rejected by their peers and see it as their last chance to snag a pretty wife.

Which group did you include yourself? 

[groovlstk]

Which group did you include yourself? 

The one that didn't look for a wife through Elena's models and stopped using agencies after noticing the stink on my shoes

I'd also disagree that men and women using agency websites are representative of the population as a whole - they surely are not. Those using free sites like Yahoo personals and seek to date local men or women may not be representative either, but they are much closer to the norm than an MOB agency. (And BTW, I don't consider myself "normal" by any stretch of the imagination.)

[Sculpto]

I have to run out now Faux.. I will find the site that lists known scammers and their gender/nationalities this evening or tomorrow..  when I first saw it I was shocked myself..

But, for a primer you can read this.. its an extreme case.. but I have encountered women like this before.. back in my AOL days someone like this tried to pull a scam and then later extortion on me.. she didn't get away with it but she did make my life hell for a while until I stopped being Mr. Niceguy and I fought back.. its a hell of a lot more common than you think.

http://www.sfweekly.com/2009-04-29/news/pretty-bad-girls/

I think you are naive about people who scam.  I don't know if you have ever spent time around people who "hustle" for a living.. but there is a certain mentality.. GCG is just the first step for someone without ethics and such people are found in every country.. HOWEVER.. countries with higher rates of drug abuse and higher rates of dysfunctional families are likely to have significantly higher rates of people working an angle of one sort or another.  The danger level of such people varies from a facelesss scumbag on the web to a psychotic bitch like those in the story in the link.

[Faux Pas]

The one that didn't look for a wife through Elena's models and stopped using agencies after noticing the stink on my shoes

groove, I never entered into this looking for a wife. Maybe that separates me from many others here I don't know. I used Elena's to communicate with FSUW and on which I found my fiancee. I did use RWGlobe a year or two before that until I discovered it was a trap. That is the extent of of my agency interaction. I'm still not sure if Elena's is an introduction site or an agency but no matter really. I was pleased with the service they provided

I'd also disagree that men and women using agency websites are representative of the population as a whole - they surely are not. Those using free sites like Yahoo personals and seek to date local men or women may not be representative either, but they are much closer to the norm than an MOB agency. (And BTW, I don't consider myself "normal" by any stretch of the imagination.)

I make no bones about it, I could easily be classified as abnormal. I was first on the dating personals when it was still taboo and only mentioned in a whisper. I am a professional man living in a very blue collar rural area (the Arkansas side of the Mississippi Delta). My choices were and are very limited and I joined the personals way back when. I joined it solely to find local women to date. I was off and on it several different times until I got as discouraged of finding "my" match as I did offline. I don't regret any of it and it was that introduction back then that eventually led me to looking to Russia and finding the woman I have now. Absolutely no regrets for me. But I still stand by my statement that is is a good representation of our society as a whole. There are probably many in your circle of friends on there that you would never expect to be there. I found that to be true in my circle both, male and female.

[groovlstk]

groove, I never entered into this looking for a wife. Maybe that separates me from many others here I don't know. I used Elena's to communicate with FSUW and on which I found my fiancee. I did use RWGlobe a year or two before that until I discovered it was a trap. That is the extent of of my agency interaction. I'm still not sure if Elena's is an introduction site or an agency but no matter really. I was pleased with the service they provided.

FP, what separates you from some of the others is not your intent or lack of intent to find a wife, but your decency and good nature. Plenty of men here found their wives through agencies like Elena's. There are good women and good men using these services, I've simply become jaded about the majority of guys involved. I'm also sure that Aloe can find good matches there if she wanted to put in the time and effort, but perhaps (like me) she got tired of wading through all the BS.

[Misha]

groove, I never entered into this looking for a wife. Maybe that separates me from many others here I don't know. I used Elena's to communicate with FSUW and on which I found my fiancee.

I am curious, why would you go to Elena's to communicate with FSUW if you were not looking for marriage? The first page of Elena's states: "They [the women] seek compatible partners for long term-relationships and marriage"

[Faux Pas]

I am curious, why would you go to Elena's to communicate with FSUW if you were not looking for marriage? The first page of Elena's states: "They [the women] seek compatible partners for long term-relationships and marriage"

I was never on a quest or hunt for a wife. Maybe I was and didn't know it. I was a divorced single father for 16 years and purposely ran from any woman with the idea of marriage, for my own reasons. And there were several with designs. I wasn't looking for or wife shopping when I went to Elena's unless I was doing it subconsciously. I was looking for a woman. Different from the women I was finding. Thats as honest an answer as I can give you.