Kharkiv (Jan - Feb 09) - My experience so far

[Az1]

By the way facetrock, i know you are deliberately trying to annoy me, but i won't take the bait. Please do not post on this thread anymore and if you do i will ignore anything you do say. Thank you

[Doll]

i know you are deliberately trying to annoy me

Wait till RW  post here  
(Who can explain  me why Az sent money? If he is so proficient in human psychology?)

[Ravens9273]

I honestly saw nothing RUDE in Mila's emails. It was improper to describe it this way.

The whole Mila situation has gotten out of hand. One member complains. He was part fault with high expectations.
Once he was questioned then another new person shows up saying same thing and making same complaint pretty much from first post.

Now another new poster just to praise Mila. No surprise even after I defended Mila I knew that post was fake right away.

At the present I do not believe much of anyone.
These stories go back and forth and at the same time half are fake or highly adzagerated.


One complains that he did not want to meet much Younger Women and Mila set him up with a lady 30 years younger. However as he complains he also tells how he is involved with this Women and discussions of marriage have come up already.

Next one complains he did not want to meet anyone with children and is upset the Mila set him up with a Woman who had a child. Yet he is still in contact with her and in such a way he even sends her money. At the same time Mila's service was so bad he continued to use even 1.5 months after trip.

Seems to me both trips were successful.

May not have been as planned but in the world of relationships most of it never makes sense as it is. It seems most of us never honestly know what we want.

I also feel Mila should have addressed the issues and complaints. A new member making nothing but praise after these complaints does not look good and did hurt credibility.

But at this point I agree with others here who pretty much think this is nonsense and probably not something the rest of us want to keep dealing with.

If you want to hurt someones reputation. At least give some proof. But this whole situation has gotten out of hand on all parts.



By the way. The internet seemed to be working pretty good in India on March 22

[Sculpto]

  to what Ravens said.. however.. in the following post I am going to point out something that i find exceptionally negative in any kind of business dealings I have had with FSU people.  this is beyond the marriage biz.. this is also IRL..

[Az1]

Hello doll, in answer to your question. psychoanalysis can only be carried out in a fair and objective manner if the person analysing is neutal/objective. Hence, the reasons why trained psychologists cannot objectively or professionally treat their own families, friends, and partners.

I hope this answers your question. By the way Ravens 9273, India is a big place and i do not wish to offend but if you know anything about the remote villages in Gujarat, you would know that a phone or T.V is a luxury there, never mind the internet.

[Sculpto]

 Any when you got burnt with her, you will regret and remember my words.

Comments like this are beyond unprofessional.  As soon as I see something like this SCAM BELLS go off in my head.  

So, this questions is only for people of the FSU.  Do people really talk to each other this way?  I have encountered such behavior in the FSU and on a couple of occasions when i had FSU clients here in the US.  It makes me freaking crazy!  As a service provider I would absolutely NEVER make that kind of comment, even if it is true.. even if it is right.. it at the point of dispute where Mila and Asif are it is completely irrelevant and will totally piss off the client.  Its a giant mistake IMO on the part of Mila.  At this point she should have just cooled her emotions and ran away from this mess as fast as possible.  She gains nothing by making the comment and she has the potential to lose something.

Advice to Mila.. next time.. write the angry email.. and send it to yourself.. wait a day and then read it.  See how you would feel if you got it.  then decide if you should really send it or not.

BTW.. I am having a hard time believing the OP is what he says he is.  Or perhaps he got his degree from a mail order med school in the caribe..

[Sculpto]

Hello doll, in answer to your question. psychoanalysis can only be carried out in a fair and objective manner if the person analysing is neutal/objective. Hence, the reasons why trained psychologists cannot objectively or professionally treat their own families, friends, and partners.

I hope this answers your question. By the way Ravens 9273, India is a big place and i do not wish to offend but if you know anything about the remote villages in Gujarat, you would know that a phone or T.V is a luxury there, never mind the internet.

hmmm.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gujarat

the way you wrote that I was expecting camel trains and barefoot rat eating peasants.. not cities of 5 million and the best beaches of India in a highly industrialized region.. come on now Asif.. are you playing with us? 

[Doll]

Hence, the reasons why trained psychologists cannot objectively or professionally treat their own families, friends, and partners.

They sometimes make mistakes but the case with the sick  child and the smashed car was very simple. So trained psychologists cannot ALWAYS treat their "families" professionally.
This is a different situation.

[Doll]

So, this questions is only for people of the FSU.  Do people really talk to each other this way?

Sometimes when there is the scandal like this. Mila had nothing to loose ,also, she was infuriated with the situation. She was definitely very rude. Something really got her. It IS VERY rude.

[Az1]

Don't try to teach me about my own country, Find a city called navsari or surat and you will also find that there are villages scattered between both of these big cities. The village my forefathers hail from is called Varegam, near navsari. I think you may have got your education from an online university, since sandro corrected you earlier and all the information you post consists of what you can find on the internet.

[Doll]

Don't try to teach me about my own country, Find a city called navsari or surat and you will also find that there are villages scattered between both of these big cities. The village my forefathers hail from is called Varegam, near navsari. I think you may have got your education from an online university, since sandro corrected you earlier and all the information you post consists of what you can find on the internet.

Wowwwwwwwww! Well, kids, don't be too hard to AZ 

[Az1]

This is my last post since i am tired of defending myself. Doll i may have been naive sending the money but i only did it because i didn't want to regret it later if she was telling the truth. I never sent money on the second occasion, and she stopped asking me since then. THE END

[Doll]

BTW it is 3.29  a.m in UK

[Sculpto]

Don't try to teach me about my own country, Find a city called navsari or surat and you will also find that there are villages scattered between both of these big cities. The village my forefathers hail from is called Varegam, near navsari. I think you may have got your education from an online university, since sandro corrected you earlier and all the information you post consists of what you can find on the internet.

Az1.. see thanks.. you made my point.  Its not that I doubt you are from small impoverished village.. its that for someone with a supposedly high level of understanding of the human mind and behavior your reaction to even the slightest provocation is OVER THE TOP.

So, juxtaposing that reality with what you might have experienced in Harkov.. with Mila.. and the ladies you met.. can YOU be more objective and tell us more honestly what really went on because it seem more than a few of us are doubting parts of your story.  

Sometimes when there is the scandal like this. Mila had nothing to loose ,also, she was infuriated with the situation. She was definitely very rude. Something really got her. It IS VERY rude.

Notice also I am not only pointing at you Asif.. it appears it is taking two to fight.. so let us help you and Mila get to the bottom of it and smooth everything out.  

[Doll]

He is sleeping, Sculpto 

[Doll]

as far as I understand AZ used another interpreter (not through Mila's service) and also wanted his money back. And all this for this woman with the kid
 

[Sculpto]

He is sleeping, Sculpto 

he said he was going to sleep like three hours ago.. I wonder if he is really sleeping or not???? 

[LiveFromUkraine]

hmmm.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gujarat

the way you wrote that I was expecting camel trains and barefoot rat eating peasants.. not cities of 5 million and the best beaches of India in a highly industrialized region.. come on now Asif.. are you playing with us?  

Sculpto, have you ever been to India?  If not than maybe you should keep to your knowledge of prostitute locations.  I am referring to another thread where you enjoyed making idiotic remarks which seems to be continuing.

[Ravens9273]

AZ1

I do not pretend to be the smartest person in the world. If anything I have noticed on this forum is it seems to have many who have an ego trip to show or prove they are smarter.

I do not care about world politics, nor try to think I know everything about every country or the square root of 67394.

I am not the best writer in the world and will misspell words when I type. In all honesty I do not care. What I do know is I am a kick a$$ business person and this is what matters to me.
If knowing the capital of India will bring me a million dollars then I might be interested in finding out. until that day comes, in all honesty. I just do not care to know. Serves no purpose to me.

What I do know is I am a good business man. You can cut of my right leg. Stick me in a one legged butt kicking contest blindfolded with my hands tied behind my back and I will come out of that sucker with money.
In this world, I would rather have this ability then then the highest IQ.


However I will share something else I do know.

Being the fact one of my businesses is websites I do know that India is one of the top countries in the world for internet users. I also know India has more web designers then any other country in the world and also holds more web servers then any other country in the world.
90% of the designers who have worked for me are all from India.

Now Sculpto made comment he did not think you were who you claimed to be.

Honestly I did not say it before but I feel AZ1 is CCowboys alter ego.

AZ1 came here with first post putting down Milas services and to back up CCowboys story.

Both have similar writting styles. Both use "A" to substitute a ladies name. Not to mention I never quite understood that to begin with. OMG if you wrote OLGA everyone would know who you were talking about.

Both seem to get worked up very easily and sit and watch their thread to make quick response to any criticism.
At the same time while AZ1 is online and making responses CCowboy has been quiet.

Now AZ1 is suppose to be sleeping an by coincidence CCowboy just came back to the forum with a new post.

Both also I feel highly adzagerated their trips and experience with Mila.



Both found a lady through Mila's service they did not intend to meet (it is both of their BIGGEST COMPLAINT) yet they are both building relationships with this Women they were so unhappy meeting through Mila.

Both are crying over spilled Milk. In this whole crazy process we have alot more other things to worry about then a room with no pots and pans, bad internet, or over priced night clubs, Younger Women, and Women with Children (by the way you both seem happy with after the fact).

With all the scams, scam agencies, pro daters, and tons and tons of other nonsense, you both met someone you are pursuing for a relationship and you are complaining about small details such as missing pots.

I could be wrong and possibly am. Just too convenient for me to not think so or look at similarities.

This is also why I said earlier the nonsense concerning Mila is out of hand and why I do not believe any of it at this point. I think these threads should be locked.

Both still received a service. Both met someone they are following through with. Obviously Mila did something. You may not like how but I still feel it was a success since you both found someone.

I am still confused though how one is complaining who stiffed on the bill. If you did not pay. What is there to complain about?
Oh well. This topic is just played out for me. I'm done.
Wish everyone the best.

[Daveman]

Sorry, there was one thing i forgot to add. I do not have any confidence issues. Like i said before i have no problem finding women to date here in the UK. I just find FSU women generally are more family orientated and more willing to commit to a man, and it is this personality trait that i personally value in a woman.

Twice you mentioned this... I have to tell you AZ, that you are really barking up the wrong tree there. FSU women are much LESS dedicated to the man than their western counterparts.  There are some who are very devoted, yes, but, I'm not so sure they are not devoted more to the situation or the status of the situation than the man.  Family devotion is for children and parents; the man is pretty much interchangeable.  People vary by degrees of course and there really are family oriented ladies who have the kind of devotion you're looking for, but to generalize this notion about FSU women is a bit off the mark.  There are no absolutes for sure -- here, there, or anywhere.

There are nuances of FSU behavior, but, I don't think they are that difficult to read really.  Think "playground antics", and "teenage drama", and you'll immediately understand most of them. The "why's" are beyond the scope of our "manly" thought process, but you can at least know exactly when, where, and how something you are not going to understand is about to happen.   Again, there are no absolutes. Generalities are fun for forums but not a dependable ally in your personal search.

Nice report, Az1... keep us posted on how it goes in the future.

[Sculpto]

Sculpto, have you ever been to India?  If not than maybe you should keep to your knowledge of prostitute locations.  I am referring to another thread where you enjoyed making idiotic remarks which seems to be continuing.

Live.. just scroll up.. my BS detector was going off full blast.. but seems the fellow has gone to sleep... will have to wait till tomorrow to find out what his real story is..

[LiveFromUkraine]

Live.. just scroll up.. my BS detector was going off full blast.. but seems the fellow has gone to sleep... will have to wait till tomorrow to find out what his real story is..

I was fortunate enough to stay in India for 3 months in Goa and a week in Mumbai.  I had internet problems a lot and those areas are considered a paradise and a major city.  

I believe him when he says that.  I think you should stop the psychology stuff and stick with your art or whatever you do man.  

[Daveman]

Both are crying over spilled Milk...

Hey now, that should be "spilt" Milk!    :evil:  :evil:

[Sculpto]

I was fortunate enough to stay in India for 3 months in Goa and a week in Mumbai.  I had internet problems a lot and those are considered paradise and a major city there. 

I believe him when he says that.  I think you should stop the psychology stuff and stick with your art or whatever you do man. 

That isn't what started the BS detector.. it was his rambling TR that focused on generalities and the disillusionment of not realizing his fantasy.  I happen to know a lot of psychologists.. some socially and some from well.. lol.. talking to them.. these are not people who would show so little self awareness as the OP has... so.. I am calling BS to his post.. for now anyway..

and BTW.. Goa.. is awesome.. but it is just one little oddball portuguese influenced part of the second most populated country in the world.. far from making you an old India hand.. try Kerala for a more authentic experience away from the jet setters, hipsters and tourists.  

[facetrock]

Az1 and CCHowdydoody are two different people. I dont think there is any relationship building going on for either of them. AZ1s woman is a scammer, CCs said he hasnt heard from his lady since he returned.

But I do think Mila should post. But I am afraid she will lose if she doesnt or does. She is in a hard situation. But is she does post I think she will take off the gloves and it could be scathing.

AZ1, you think I am trying to annoy you? I bet before this is over you will be annoyed with most of the board members here.

I still stand by my words. Hell hath no fury like a Ukrainian woman interpreter scorned:)