Hi all.. newbie from the midwest.

[ECOCKS]

lol.. I think its cool that my first thread is getting so much attention.  

Lately I am remembering those movies where the inmates are running the asylum....

Seriously, enjoy it as comic relief and sort out the wheat from the chaff. Lots of different POV's and opinions here. Philosophies from those who have working relationships, those who failed and several who just wannabe'...something.

You're on the right track though. Read and consider the perspectives and experiences of who is posting.

[I/O]

guys I don't get along with look like real intellectuals

Yeah, I'd tend to agree with that.

I/O

[Sculpto]

Yeah, I'd tend to agree with that.

I/O

having fun?

[Ooooops]

according to my lady a russian woman will cook, clean, rock you in bed, earn more money, and can wield a hammer and saw better than any man.

Sculpto,
They all say that before marriage.   Get back to us on your second marital anniversary and let us know if you still believe.
KenC

KenC, actually some of them don't just say so...       Which only proves that Russian women are all different, just like their American sisters. 

[Ooooops]

RW are very good mothers...

I just wonder where all of those abandoned kids in Russian orphanages come from?   May be from American mothers?   

[I/O]

I just wonder where all of those abandoned kids in Russian orphanages come from?   May be from American mothers?   

This lady is GOOD sometimes!!! Seriously good. 

I/O

[KenC]

Sculpto,
They all say that before marriage.   Get back to us on your second marital anniversary and let us know if you still believe.
KenC


KenC, actually some of them don't just say so...       Which only proves that Russian women are all different, just like their American sisters. 

Ooooops,
It was a joke.  Premartial "promises" have little to do with the realities of marriage.  Anyone can make these promises, (and even be most sincere) but the marriage will eventually take it's own natural course.
KenC

[Ooooops]

Ooooops,
It was a joke. 

I understand.   But every joke contents some true that's what my answer was about.   

[gemini]

I just wonder where all of those abandoned kids in Russian orphanages come from?   May be from American mothers?  

I don't think it is relevant, there are the mothers-alcoholics, drug addicts and criminals in any country. I thought there was a very good system of the foster families in US compare to Russian orphanages, then I was shocked when I found out at one of the conferences that the percentage of prostitutes and criminals is the same for kids from Russian orphanages and from foster families in US.

[I/O]

I was shocked when I found out at one of the conferences that the percentage of prostitutes and criminals is the same for kids from Russian orphanages and from foster families in US.

Therefore, why would one presume to think the percentage of "Traditional women" is any different?

I/O

[GoodOlBoy]

Which only proves that Russian women are all different, just like their American sisters.  

Thanks for posting this sentence Ooooops.

I have to admit something.

When I finally met my wife and invited here here to the GoodOl'USA, I was STILL under the mistaken impression that RW are "different".

After 4 good years of marriage to my Marina, I can state for a fact there is NO difference.

There is a weight difference (AW=overweight) and any person would have to be blind not to see this.

But RW/AW....They are both just women with their own positives and negatives.

There is just that wonderful "mystique" factor in the pursuit of an FSUW.

Maybe for me (personally), it may have even started out as the proverbial bite from the "forbidden fruit" (aka..moth dancing near the flame of the candle), given the fact that I was raised in a time where we were practicing "duck and cover bomb drills" behind/under our desks in elementary school, because we were told by our teachers that those terrible communists were going to kill all Americans with their missiles. 

Anyway....Many thanks to the FSU ladies from GoodOlBoy for posting your opinion's here on RWD! 


GOB
 

[Kuna]

Ken darling.. despite your lovely invitation to oral sex in PM your critique falls quite hollow considering the blatantly obvious signs you missed in your own relationship.  So, don't try and come off as some wizened and expert man of the world.  In reality.. you are exactly where you were before you got married except ten + years older and exactly that many years less attractive.  Your tone with me IS negative, and I sense it in just about everything else you have written lately, so, here is your MIRROR.. do yourself a favor and look in it.  The go take a little vacation.. it will do you a world of good.  

And by the way.. what I have been through with my girl is the death of her father and other hardships that did strain our relationship.. plus the distance.. yet we are still together and stronger than ever.  What comes next will be easy compared to what we have already accomplished.

I feel terrible for feeling this way - and even worse for saying but, "GOD, I'm really looking forward to your train wreck!"

You're such a dreamer, it's a crime you're allowed to post here.

Half of your posts are self-centred rubbish... the other half are fantasy... and every now and then you throw in a totally unfounded insult.

Grow up young man!





Cardfan,

Welcome to RWD.  Take you time in reviewing as many TR's as you can.  Do not rush the process.  Be careful who's advice you take... and never ever believe ANYTHING until you've witnessed it first hand.

There are many many wonderful RW and UW... the HUGE challenge is finding one and spending enough time to be certain.  You're 27 so you should be in no rush but be aware this is expensive both in terms of time and money...   BUT, you're experiences will be remembered for life.

If you're lucky, AND you work really hard, you will find what you're looking for.  RWD is a great resource IF you use it well.

Best of luck!

Kuna

[gemini]

Therefore, why would one presume to think the percentage of "Traditional women" is any different?

I/O

It is two separate issues, I meant percentage of antisocial and/or mentally ill children from antisocial and/or mentally ill mothers is the same in both countries despite different institutions they go through. I don't think respectable AM on this forum are interested in this kind of rather "nontraditional women" in U.S. or Russia.

[Ooooops]

... there are the mothers-alcoholics, drug addicts and criminals in any country.

Yep.   So to say that - Russian women are... -  is gross generalization.   That's what I'm trying to say.

[groovlstk]

But.. artists don't stop artists from creating.. just as I would never stop her from writing she will never stop me from ruining some perfectly good canvass or making a lot of sawdust from some perfectly good hardwood.  

I never met a journalist who considered him or herself an "artist" - probably because they would be laughed out of town. 

[Daveman]

...

Cardfan,

Welcome to RWD.  Take you time in reviewing as many TR's as you can.  Do not rush the process.  Be careful who's advice you take... and never ever believe ANYTHING until you've witnessed it first hand.

There are many many wonderful RW and UW... the HUGE challenge is finding one and spending enough time to be certain.  You're 27 so you should be in no rush but be aware this is expensive both in terms of time and money...   BUT, you're experiences will be remembered for life.

If you're lucky, AND you work really hard, you will find what you're looking for.  RWD is a great resource IF you use it well.

Best of luck!

Kuna

Exactly what Kuna said...

Welcome to the board Cardfan, and best of luck to you...

[Blues Fairy]

I don't think it is relevant, there are the mothers-alcoholics, drug addicts and criminals in any country. I thought there was a very good system of the foster families in US compare to Russian orphanages, then I was shocked when I found out at one of the conferences that the percentage of prostitutes and criminals is the same for kids from Russian orphanages and from foster families in US.

OK, the same % of orphans and foster kids become criminals in US and Russia; does it say anything about the respective absolute number of orphans in both countries?  Absolutely nothing.

Children's rights are much less protected and there are much less legal grounds to take away the custody from parents in Russia.  And still the orphanages are full.
Imagine how many kids are forced to stay with their abusive parents because nobody can protect their rights?

Anyone follow the story of Sandra Zarubina from Portugal, taken back to Russia by her alcoholic mother?
Please google.  A heartbreaking story, and very illustrative of what's considered "normal" in EU and in Russia respectively.

NTV:
Portuguese:

[OlgaH]

Please google.  A heartbreaking story, and very illustrative of what's considered "normal" in EU and in Russia respectively.

Very sad story.
Child raised by Portuguese family forced to return to Russia with mother
30/5/2009
http://www.the-news.net/cgi-bin/article.pl?id=1012-6

[gemini]

Anyone follow the story of Sandra Zarubina from Portugal, taken back to Russia by her alcoholic mother?
Please google.  A heartbreaking story, and very illustrative of what's considered "normal" in EU and in Russia respectively.

This story proves my words, not contradict.

there are the mothers-alcoholics, drug addicts and criminals in any country

http://www.childhelp.org/resources/learning-center/statistics

[Blues Fairy]

This story proves my words, not contradict.
http://www.childhelp.org/resources/learning-center/statistics

Where exactly does it prove your point?  Of course there are bad mothers in any country (nobody argues with that) but we're talking about how Russia compares to other countries in terms of numbers. 

Here's an excerpt from your link:

Child Abuse Statistics in the USA
* An estimated 906,000 children are victims of abuse & neglect every year. The rate of victimization is 12.3 children per 1,000 children


In Russia, the only official information is from 1997 Russian medical statistics which show approximately 2 million children suffer from Child Abuse Syndrome annually. 1 out of 10 children die, 2000 commit suicide, & more than 50,000 run away from home. This gives a rough idea of the Child Abuse Syndrome range on Russia. (A number of researchers studying this problem testify that real figures are 2-3 times higher.)

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20080220/99708053.html

2 million.  More than twice the number, given half the population of the US. 

[Sculpto]

Where exactly does it prove your point?  Of course there are bad mothers in any country (nobody argues with that) but we're talking about how Russia compares to other countries in terms of numbers. 

Here's an excerpt from your link:

Child Abuse Statistics in the USA
* An estimated 906,000 children are victims of abuse & neglect every year. The rate of victimization is 12.3 children per 1,000 children


In Russia, the only official information is from 1997 Russian medical statistics which show approximately 2 million children suffer from Child Abuse Syndrome annually. 1 out of 10 children die, 2000 commit suicide, & more than 50,000 run away from home. This gives a rough idea of the Child Abuse Syndrome range on Russia. (A number of researchers studying this problem testify that real figures are 2-3 times higher.)

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20080220/99708053.html

2 million.  More than twice the number, given half the population of the US. 

BF I don't dispute for one second the statistics you are quoting.  I will only say that I believe the incidents in the US are way under reported. 

I would also comment that as bad as the statistics from both countries appear.. they are miniscule in comparison with a lot of other countries.  99.9% of my defense of Mexico and the immigrants comes from working with street kids in that country.  It is a never ended process that i gave my heart for but after so many heartbreaks had to pass on to others to continue.  One story that was pretty much the end of it for me was one little girl.. she had a dirt floor shack to go home to every night.. but.. for all the years I knew her the biggest dream was NOT to have children and be able to build some kind of life for herself.. her Father "sold" her off at 14.. by 17 she was pregnant with her 3rd and still standing on the street selling tourist garbage 15 hours a day 7 days a week.. just now with one kid tied to her back.. another at her feet sitting in filth.. point is.. at least Russia and the US have orphanages and a minimum of a social safety net.

Though, I would ask the question.. was my friend a good mother?  She loved her children even though they were forced on her.. she did not give them up for adoption and even if filthy she sacrificed her own well being to feed them..

[Daveman]

BF I don't dispute for one second the statistics you are quoting.  I will only say that I believe the incidents in the US are way under reported. 

I was watching a bit of TV yesterday, which is a little unusual for me, and I saw an advertisement that troubled me a bit.  It's a phone number for an anonymous tip line to report child abuse.  the wording was something along hte lines of "even if you only suspect there is a possibility of abuse, call in and report it. Trust your intuition!"   Does that not strike anyone else as really a little over the top?

While I certainly wish for an end to such abuse, what would stop anyone who wishes to cause trouble from anonymously reporting their neighbors?  I wonder what the actual steps involved in the post report process entail?   

[Blues Fairy]

BF I don't dispute for one second the statistics you are quoting.  I will only say that I believe the incidents in the US are way under reported. 

You think in Russia they are reported adequately? My stats are more than 10 years old, and considering that the culture of reporting child abuse was practically non-existent then and is still barely developed...  gimme a break.

And what point are you trying to make by your Mexican story?  That some countries are much worse than Russia?  Well Russia is not exactly competing for a #1 place in child abuse statistics.  On the contrary, some are trying to position Russia as the country where all women are excellent mothers.    

[Sculpto]

You think in Russia they are reported adequately? My stats are more than 10 years old, and considering that the culture of reporting child abuse was practically non-existent then and is still barely developed...  gimme a break.

And what point are you trying to make by your Mexican story?  That some countries are much worse than Russia?  Well Russia is not exactly competing for a #1 place in child abuse statistics.  On the contrary, some are trying to position Russia as the country where all women are excellent mothers.    

I am agreeing with you.. thats all.. don't get upset. 

[I/O]

I meant percentage of antisocial and/or mentally ill children from antisocial and/or mentally ill mothers is the same in both countries despite different institutions they go through.

Therefore, again, why would the percentage of "Traditional Women" be any different if two "different institutions" are producing the same result in one area, how is it they would produce a different result in another? The answer is a given. Cherry picking with a substantial BS factor. FWIW, I am married to an excellent mother who was mothered by an excellent mother, both of whom assoiciate with excellent mothers. Both are excellent wives. Are they or any of their friends "Traditional"? LOL, not likely. BTW, where in Russian "tradition" did moving abroad to marry come from?

I/O