Would not recommend Russian love match/HRB

[Louie]

I would not recommend these agencies at all, unless you like to throw away hard earned money, a couple of items you should think about before joining these agencies are, do you want to speak with the women that you are corresponding with before you visit them? If you think this is a good idea, then these agencies are not for you, you will not be able to get there phone numbers, and now you are not allowed to exchange postal information, they have threaten the agencies that they work with that they will be removed from there program if they give the personal information of there girls to the men, another thing you need to be aware of is there live chat system, there are many professional chatters there that are not interested in starting a relationship with you, only to keep you chatting and burning up your overpriced credits, and if you chat with more that one woman at a time, boy can that add up, they claim to care about you and to help you meet the woman of your dreams, that they really want to bring two people together, this is not true, they only care about how much money they can make from you before you get frustrated and leave. So if you are thinking about joining these 2 agencies (they are one and the same) think very carefully, there are other agencies out there that will save you a lot of money and heart ache

[Bruce]

Louie - Which agencies would you recommend as reputable for a guy  looking these days in Russia as well as Ukraine?  Guys looking are  always happy to get current information based on real experience.   

[Louie]

 

              Bruce, I wish I could answer that for you, as I am still looking myself, i just happened to pick the 2 worst ones in the business, but I am trying not to get discouraged, i know there is one lady out there for me, and I will find her!!!! and if I find an agency that I think is good, Bruce i will let you know... by the way do you have suggestions for me?

 

[Bruce]

I strongly urge you to read the old posts.   There is a  terrific amount of information on this board.  I used the agency  route and I lucked out because the agency I used started out  legitimately but over time found out they could make alot more money by  writing fictitious letters with fictitious girls.  It all depends  what you are looking for in a girl.  I would recommend either a  target rich environment with alot of Universities like Kharkov, Ukraine  or Tver, Russia.  I know Tver State University is an English  language center so there are alot of girls studying English at both the  undergraduate and graduate school level.  I do not know  particulars for Kharkov, Ukraine.  Another approach would be to go  to an out of the way place and meet girls that have not met too many /  preferably no foreigners.  Do you want a blond with blue eyes or a  dark haired Asian looking girl?  Maybe you do not want Russia or  Ukraine but want Kyrgistan or Kazakstan.  Maybe you want a Muslim  girl in which case I would recommend going to the former Muslim  republics.  In any event, read the board.  You will get the  straight poop here.  This board does not cater to paying  advertisers for scam agencies like Soviet Discussion boards out there.

[Louie]

Thanks for the advise, i am doing just that, I am looking for the blue or green eyed beauty, hair color doesnt matter, this looks like a very informative board, i am new the FSU women, but have a lot of experience with Asian, have been to Asia many times.

[Jack]

Louie, got this off the i-net from another client of Hot Russian Brides.

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I've been an HRB user for about 10 months. In that time, their vacillating price schemes have cost me between $50.00 - $350 per month.


I bought my bargain tickets, (non-refundable) and started conversing with HRB about meeting my girl. They were very responsive, but also extremely expensive. I wrote back, asking for a breakdown of what I was going to be paying for. Finally, the price sat at a mere $500.00. For a trip from the airport to town, and an introduction. Some package!

 
I asked my girl to send her address, which she did. As an aside, I also found her on another board, and purchased her address and the right to contact her for $10.
 
HRB first sent me a nastygram outlining the small print in their agreement. I wrote back to say forget it. The next part was where things get very interesting. I received an email on HRB from my girl. She said that I knew the terms of the agreement, and that unless I was willing to pay HRB what they asked, she would not be able to meet me.

The problem with this letter was that it didn't sound like her. Going from exuberance one day at my scheduled arrival, to distress the next because I could not afford to pay HRB didn't sound right. So, I called her on the phone. It was less than a perfect communication, but I got two things out of it. First, the letter did not come from her. Second, HRB had contacted her agency. She told me her agency had explained the "Dangers" of giving out your mailing address to foreign men. In effect, how we were all potential stalkers.

[Bruno]

I asked my girl to send her address, which she did. As an aside, I also found her on another board, and purchased her address and the right to contact her for $10.

If you find a interesting girl on a site who ask money for e-mail exchange, use her name, family name, city, and birth year in google... you will certainly find her in other place... a free place or one where your pay some free for the contact information.

When woman come to my site, several are already on other site... and when they are new, after a few hour, they are on big pay site... not always because she have register herself but because of stealing of profile... not always a bad situation, some forward letter to the real e-mail of lady with a new fake e-mail for the sender ( some hotmail or yahoo e-mail )... so without the lady knowing it, some agency make money for translation and foward letter... if the lady have a lot of success, just before meeting, they can cut the communication... so, the woman will be free for a new man ( a married lady don't bring $$$ anymore )... of course, if you pay for gift or flower, they are not obligate to send it to the lady... they can always add in the next letter "Darling, the rose that you have send me was wonderful"...

The system pay by e-mail is only a big $$$ cow... it is cheap but million of people fall in the trap...

PS : it is a general text over possible scam... about HRB, i don't know them or use them previously...

[Louie]

That's pretty interesting Jack, i kinda felt something like that was taking place, this one girl that I was writing to, i had asked for her information, and got it no problem, but when I wrote to her telling her that I was no longer going to use HRB, she freaked out, so i have no doubt that they told her something similar, plus there is one other one that i was writing to, and told her the same thing, she was a little sad about it, but was happy to write me a letter to my house, i have written to her 2 times at HRB and have not heard from her in 4 days, she always writes me back the next day, so either she has been threatened or they have been doing something with my emails, i hope that she writes me at home, because i asked her to send me her phone number, and i might get a chance to talk with her and find out whats going on

[Rvrwind]

Hi Louie...

Glad you found this board, many experienced guys here to help you out & much info that isn't watered down to help you on your way.

Did you get my message on the other board answering your question if not I'll answer it here. My website addy is www.tverangels.com

There are not many women on the site yet as we are just getting started (opened Oct.1 with a slight delay due to my being hospitalized) but we can provide all the nessessary services. Besides when it comes right down to it, you can only marry 1.

At least you can be assured the ladies, although they are very few, they are real & sincere in their quest for a partner. You won't be led down the garden path by the agency or the ladies. Registration is free & you are quite welcome to sign up & send us a couple of pictures, you never know, some ladies when they see a man they like take the initiative to write.

I wish you luck & success & follow the advice given by these more seasoned vetrans & your journey will be something to remember.

RVR-Canadian Cowboy/Agency Owner

[Louie]

Thank you Cowboy, i did check out your site, not really attracted to any one yet, but I'm sure there will be some one there for me, From what I have read this is a pretty good forum and I am glad that I found it, i just hope that HRB suffers a little from my posts and that they loose a member or two, I think that they have already lost a few, including me, canceled my membership 2 days ago

[Rvrwind]

Not to worry Louie, they  are losing members. I have already picked up a couple.

I saw that post in the other thread where they have 120,000 a month in expenses. I can't even begin to fathom that. To me that means they have to generate 240,000 in sales. Not bloody likly unless there are one hell of a lot more two legged male fools walkin' around than even I could imagine.

Just boggles my mind!!!

Let me tell you I sure ain't makin' that much & I don't imagine I ever will.

We'll get some more ladies on the site as soon as we can. Tough this time of year, damn cold out there now. But were tryin'. I have a couple of other Aces up my sleeve but won't post them on an open forum that may interest you or any others lookin'. If your interested, E mail me at Richard@tverangels.com & I'll give you the details. You might find it a more suitable arrangement.

RVR-Canadian Cowboy/Agency Owner

[Louie]

I don't think they will be in business to much longer, or they wont be making much money, I have a feeling that someone will hammer them with a lawsuit, and even if they win, it will be one costly endeavor, as attorneys cost a lot more than there agency can make. I called a short wile ago to request they refund my remaining credits, that was a very abrupt conversation, so i guess they know that i have been voicing my opinion about them. If i can just keep a few guys from throwing there money away at that agency I will feel vindicated!!!

[al-c]

After having tried several services, I get the best satisfaction from Elena's Models.  I know there has been crticism of EM on tbis board, but you get something you rarely get elsewhere, the address and phone and e-mail up front, so YOU communicate with your lady, unfiltered by an agency that wants to keep you coming back for more so they can get more money.

The only things I don't like are that any RW can get in, despite her background (but you can do a background check for about $250.00) and that you are on your own for translation.  Also EM is a little pricey, but you get what you pay for.

 

[Bruce]

Al - have you met any of the EM girls you have been writing /  calling?  It is great that you have the contact information up  front.  In my experience there is a huge difference between  writing / calling prior to meeting and meeting followed by calling /  writing.  I advocate the latter.  If not, once you get off  the plane it is almost like starting from scratch.  Best of luck.

[BC]

I think I would not even look at the sites with thousands of girls.. They are probably quite happy with the guys that sign up, pay for a month or two then move on.

Buy a mens magazine instead or head towards the agencies that really do hand pick their women..

fwiw.

[Todd]

Hi All,

I wanted to address Bruce's question about EM.

I was planning to tour the FSU last year, but I had no contacts in the area.  I posted on Elena's Models last year, communicated extensively with roughly 5 of the women, and made a visit to see Kate.  Kate and I really got along quite well, so well, we have been married for just over 2 months now.  I also still exchange letters with one of the women who has since married and lives in London.

[Bruce]

Todd - It is good to know that someone on the board advertised, wrote, met and married one woman through the EM website.  Congratulations!  Did you meet Kate on a WOVO?  In any event, I tend to think you are in the distinct minority both in success through EM and success through the WOVO method.

I know for certain that writing women and visiting them did nothing ultimately for me.  However, meeting women, narrowing them down to one afterwards and following this up with correspondence, visits etc. led to my marriage.  I also know that dealing with legitimate agencies has worked for many people.   When you get right down to it - the legitimate agencies are legitimate because they have legitimate people behind them.  For example, I would not hesitate to recommend Richard's new agency in Tver - because I know Rvrwnd, he is right there on the ground supervising his people and he has his clients best interests at heart.  Even with few girls on his website I believe the average guy is better off going off to a target rich environment with legitimate people helping them.  I would also not hesitate to recommend LTP in Tver as well right now, but for different reasons.   It all depends what a guy is most interested in when he travels to the FSU. 

The big question is - how legitimate is EM?   Who are you dealing with when you write an EM girl?  I assume it is one of many agencies in the FSU.  In my experience there are not too many legitimate many agencies in any network in the FSU.  I have never dealt with EM.  I have read more than my share of complaints rather than success stories about them, however.