Need Advice on agencies in Ukraine and Russia

[craigr34]

Hi All

My first day on here so please be gentle. I have previously visited colombia 3 times. Had some good times but with living in the UK decided to try the Ukraine or Russia.
I need some good advice as to whcih are reputable agencies mainly in the Ukraine but not ruling our russia, just thought i may try Ukraine first. I am not into writing forst and all that, I would like to just try an agency where you can select ladies, sned your profile, see which ladies are interested also and then meet whilst there, something similar to this.
With living in the Uk, it is far easier and less expensive to fly to Ukraine or Russia then keep going to colombia and being messed about like I have.
I am 34 years old, 2 children, who live with me part time, not loaded, far from it, live a normal life, work and this is basically me.
I really do want to try this and be open minded, but does anyone know of any good agencies as i described above?
I would appreciate any advice from anyone on this subject, things to do, things not to do etc etc
The one i have looked at at the moment is Kiev Introductions anyone know of this? i am a newbie here, so will appreciate any advice on agencies, good and bad

thanks in advance guys

[Taz]

Welcome to the forum. It is a sad state of affairs when you have to encourage members here  to be gentle with you. Unfortunately some of the members are a little “bitey”.  Just stand your ground and don’t let them bully you. Of course they’ll be sure to nitpick you grammar, pick on inconsequential parts of your ideas, or heaven knows what else but hey, it makes them feel important and appear erudite. Perhaps they can’t do it in real life so they try to do it here…

With respect to agencies in Ukraine, is there any particular area you had in mind? I can provide some suggestions but it would help if you specified a geographic area or a few cities you had in mind. In general though I’d avoid Kiev and Odessa. I won’t bother to qualify my statements as somebody will always find a way to argue about why those cities would be a GREAT place to go because their second cousin, twice removed on his daddy’s side found a woman from Kievodessaganistan… I am sure you get my drift. Sure you can do it but maybe try and go to places where there might be more of what you are looking for.

[craigr34]

With respect to agencies in Ukraine, is there any particular area you had in mind? I can provide some suggestions but it would help if you specified a geographic area or a few cities you had in mind. In general though I’d avoid Kiev and Odessa.

Thanks for the reply

to be honest, i do not know to may cities other then Kiev and Odessa as you mentioned, I am sure there are many more beautiful cities with good ladies.
I am mainly seeking a reputable agency, obviously then not in these cities, I have hear some things especially about kiev, but hey, hearsay, who knows.
I foyu can advice me of any agencies which have a good record of successes and not full of scammers, as i am fully aware of them and they are everywhere, even here in the UK hahahaha
I apreciate your help and advice, I have been reading most of the day post on here and fully aware of the 10 commandments with travelling to colombia 3 times

[Taz]

There is also an honest agency ethics guide. It doesn't list what agencies but gives you a checklist of things to ask them.

Another city I'd be more wary of is Lugansk. While I myself don't have a ton of experience with agencies personally, I have accompanied quite a few friends that did. Some cities that weren't too bad were Mariupol, Dnepropetrovsk and Zaporozhe. There are other cities as well but theses seemed to be some of the better ones as far as number of women and decent agencies. I'll send you some more info in a private message when I have a few more minutes.

[GoodOlBoy]

It is a sad state of affairs when you have to encourage members here to be gentle with you.

Easy ladies.....be "gentle" with him.  :evil:


GOB


PS...Welcome to RWD Craigr34.

Sorry to disrupt your thread, BUT...The "whiners" must be addressed.

[Taz]

Wow, you had so much to add to this thread GOB. I am so sure the RW here will be inclined to listen to you....

Again a sad testament when you have to encourage other members to go easy on someone... The s/n ratio on this board is further declining. Its no wonder people might not be as inclined to post here.

[myrddin]

to be honest, i do not know to may cities other then Kiev and Odessa as you mentioned, I am sure there are many more beautiful cities with good ladies.
I am mainly seeking a reputable agency, obviously then not in these cities, I have hear some things especially about kiev, but hey, hearsay, who knows.

I've got nothing against agencies (do your due diligence, of course, and at the very least always bring agency contact info with you for a backup plan) but once you settle on a location you might consider running an ad with the help of a local interpreter.  You'd get a different cross section of ladies and consistent feedback.  Cost wise it can be a wash, compared to meeting many ladies through an agency.

One minor problem I had with agencies was switching terps.  Different people have different styles and personally I'm more comfortable with someone I've dealt with more.

I apreciate your help and advice, I have been reading most of the day post on here and fully aware of the 10 commandments with travelling to colombia 3 times

Sounds like you're in a good place to start.

[craigr34]

Also, i speak no Russian at all, looks very difficult, i do speak spanish very well, but this will not help me here hahahaha
As i said in my first post, i did think about joining these chat sites, but i would imagine they are very similar to the ones i used when i went to colombia, and it takes extensice time, there must be over 70% time wasters if not more on these chat sites (just a sum a percentage I plucked as I do believe it to be high) so thats why i prefer to use an agency, send my profile, see whos interested in me and vise-versa, (so no blind dates) and take it from there, my experience with Colombia will hopefully have learned me very much, god those woman can be difficult and many players. i hope these russiana ladies arent as bad

Thanks

Craig

[Sculpto]

Wow, you had so much to add to this thread GOB. I am so sure the RW here will be inclined to listen to you....

Again a sad testament when you have to encourage other members to go easy on someone... The s/n ratio on this board is further declining. Its no wonder people might not be as inclined to post here.

Taz.. your negativity is really overwhelming.. you don't even see that you are doing everything that you are complaining about.  Whats up dude?  You get dumped or laid off or what?

[Misha]

s/n ratio

What is a s/n ratio?

[Faux Pas]

craig

You are certainly welcome to jump in and join the agencies. Many of them will do the work for you and get you hooked up. Few if any at all will be concerned at how much it may cost you. You didn't mention how you met the Latinas in Columbia. I would suggest you join some of the free russian ladies date sites and start writing and communicating with some. RW like the Latina women may not be your cup of tea either.

You won't really have any sense at all if they are unless you communicate with some. Just hopping on a plane (while visiting is commendable) and hitting the agencies for what they offer and set up can be a) Costly and b) disappointing.

I would suggest the paid date site Elena's Models. Most have good results there, some do not. It's not an agency per se' but you can familiarize with RW relatively quick

[acrzybear]

Craig

Just an observation-your listed as a female, might want to change it to the ol reliable Austin Powers male symbol.  Good luck in your search-it can be one hell of an adventure.

[SANDRO43]

What is a s/n ratio?

I'd guess signal-to-noise ratio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal-to-noise_ratio) .

[Misha]

I'd guess signal-to-noise ratio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal-to-noise_ratio) .

Thank you Sandro!

[jdk1963]

Hi All

My first day on here so please be gentle. I have previously visited colombia 3 times. Had some good times but with living in the UK decided to try the Ukraine or Russia.
I need some good advice as to whcih are reputable agencies mainly in the Ukraine but not ruling our russia, just thought i may try Ukraine first. I am not into writing forst and all that, I would like to just try an agency where you can select ladies, sned your profile, see which ladies are interested also and then meet whilst there, something similar to this.
With living in the Uk, it is far easier and less expensive to fly to Ukraine or Russia then keep going to colombia and being messed about like I have.
I am 34 years old, 2 children, who live with me part time, not loaded, far from it, live a normal life, work and this is basically me.
I really do want to try this and be open minded, but does anyone know of any good agencies as i described above?
I would appreciate any advice from anyone on this subject, things to do, things not to do etc etc
The one i have looked at at the moment is Kiev Introductions anyone know of this? i am a newbie here, so will appreciate any advice on agencies, good and bad

thanks in advance guys

You might try freepersonals.ru  It is free though you do need to be wary of scammers.  That is true for agencies as well. If they say they know English don't believe it until they prove it.  Elena's Models seems ok though I have not really done more than set up a profile.

At the moment I am not a big fan of agencies.

[Zlata]

craigr34, I adviced you to subscribe at Elena's Models site.
http://www.elenasmodels.com/
Mi marido estaba contento de esta página web. They provided him all services in looking for a soulmate in Ukraine or Russia. 

[Zlata]

Soy de Ucrania, nos casamos en Kiev. Hay muchas chicas guapas y buenas en Ucrania, y media de todas están solteras. Pues, ¡Que tengas buen suerte! 

[SANDRO43]

Soy de Ucrania, nos casamos en Kiev. Hay muchas chicas guapas y buenas en Ucrania, y media de todas están solteras. Pues, ¡Que tengas buen suerte! 

Zlata, bienvenida a RWD, pero si continuaràs a escribir en Castellano, no mucha gente va comprenderte, la lengua oficial aquì es el Inglés .

[Taz]

Wow, I didn't know we had an "official language" here.    Maybe there is a good board in Spanish for guys looking for RW. It might be interesting to read and see if there is a different perspective on the Spanish boards.

[SANDRO43]

Wow, I didn't know we had an "official language" here.    

Excerpt from the RWD Terms of Service (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?pid=28):

Rules of Conduct
The 'official' language is of this site is English. The vast majority of our board members are literate in English, hence, posts and communications are expected to be in English.

Accommodations may be made for our international visitors to post in other languages in specific sections of the site, but the predominant and 'official' language remains English.

The statement in bold above IS a bold statement .

Maybe there is a good board in Spanish for guys looking for RW. It might be interesting to read and see if there is a different perspective on the Spanish boards.

There's one here, too: http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?board=32.0.

[Sculpto]

pero we can habla spanglish and ringlish, da?

[SANDRO43]

pero we can habla spanglish and ringlish, da?

Fuera del camino off curse .

[janic]

Hi All

Hi Craig!
and .. Welcome to the Forum!

I have previously visited colombia 3 times. Had some good times but with living in the UK decided to try the Ukraine or Russia. [...] Ukraine but not ruling our russia, [...] being messed about like I have. [...] I am 34 years old, 2 children, who live with me part time, not loaded, far from it, live a normal life, work and this is basically me. [...] I would appreciate any advice from anyone on this subject, things to do, things not to do etc etc

Usually I do say straight what I think and that's what I'll do now:

I would really appreciate, if you would tell us a bit more about your motivation and expectation (and maybe even about the negative experiences you had in Columbia, because when I read your post one of my eyebrows got up...

• Being 34 with part-time-custody of 2 children IMO doesn't makes you overly attractive to FSUW that might fall into the age-range interesting you.
• If you already write that you are "far from loaded" I wonder if you have sufficient funds to successfully finish what you are about to start. It takes a lot of dedication, energy, time and MONEY to find a woman and it takes even more money to bring her to your country and settle her there. I would say some 10-20.000 GBP are on the lower end of what you should expect to spend. Most probably it will be more. And you shouldn't count on any income on her side for quite some time unless you consider sending her to clean lavatories or mopping offices. Even social welfare is most probably not available, because your Government will most certainly check your financial status and make sure that you can - and will - pay for all her necessities. And last but definitely not least: Her economic situation is for a significant part of the FSUW who consider a relation with a foreigner a major reason to do so. Limited funds, possible financial limitations, 2 kids will not make you overly attractive for most of the woman. And a part of the rest will possibly consider that you are a nice mule to bring her to the promised land.
  And besides of all the more-or-less obvious costs like Agency-fees, travel, lodging, presents, lawyers, visa and other official fees, wedding and so on, there are also hidden costs you should pay attention to: When she comes to live with you she will most certainly have the desire to renovate, refurnish and redecorate your home to make it YOUR [plural] home; she will need transportation - and it shouldn't be a 10yo Rabbit; she will need language lessons, possibly she wants to work meaning that there will be additional costs for training, university, etc. and there are many more hidden expenses you should think of and expect to cover. Can you REALLY do that?

Because of my raised eyebrow I repeat my question about your intentions, expectations and possibilities.

I'm not a big fan of agencies and 'til now I haven't used one. The 3rd commandment says

Work to eliminate any agency from your communications.

That IMO raises the question why to use a agency at all. But if I were to use one, Elenas Models would probably be pretty much on top of my list because I haven't heard a lot of bad things about them and quite some good things. But there's another but: But imho many FSUW who register with an agency will have higher expectations what a foreign-husband should provide her with...

Greets, j.