Name a few good agencies for a lady friend to join

[MatryoshkaMan]

Hi all, I have a lady friend in Ukraine and she wants to join a good agency. She THOUGHT she was engaged to a Canadian man but the guy is flaking out on her (he came by Dnipro last September for a 4 day quikie visit and unfortunately she fell in love with him and now he is history - long many hour story as told to me over phone and skype).

She is 30, cute as hell, great body, sincere and vulnerable, she is a real catch.

I told her that I would find out which agencies she should join. I suggested Elena's and she is considering them. Is there any others that I should suggest to her?

Thanks so much for your attention to this. This poor woman is going through an emotional wringer as we speak...

[Simoni]

The bottom line is that chemistry matters.  I really can't blame a guy for meeting a girl, not thinking she is right for him, then moving on. Using your analogy, what is a "great catch" for one man is a fish you throw back into the sea for another.

My wife is from Dnepr and we met via an agency there.   Good girls do join agencies and they do meet good men.  I'll PM you a link.

Good luck to your friend!

~Simoini

[Gator]

If she is a "9" or "10" with no kids and some English, she needs to list herself with only one agency with a lot of visibility such as Elenas Model. Then just wait for the fish to bite.  Otherwise, she needs to go to work.

Where WMVM works best for men, I think many agencies work best for UW.  If her English is at least fair, and she has access to the Internet and some available time, she could join:

Elenas Models,  Freepersonals.ru and bride.ru.  Others have recommended Lucky Lovers.

Rather than waiting, she can write men first.


I met one RE through Freepersonals and later became engaged.  She said she got many letters from crazy men, men who wasted her time (wrote a lot but did not get on a plane), and sex tourists.  Yet a few decent men came through.  FP is free and thus does not weed out those men who are just playing.  EM seems to eliminate much more of the men who just want to play.

Without English skills and a computer, I suggest that she use Cindy's in Dnepro.  I used them and found them reputable (as reputable as can be expected in the FSU). 

The benefit for her is that Cindy's does 95% of the work - they act as the woman's personal secretary.  Sometimes Cindy may do more than a woman authorizes, yet it is still up to the UW whether to meet a particular man.

[MatryoshkaMan]

Thanks Gator and Simoni. By the way she has almost flawless English so that should help her with a direct-contact site like Elena's. She is not a 9 or a 10, I'd say a 7. More cute that beautiful. She screams "cute" to my eyes anyways. I am sure with the right agency she will attract a good deal of attention. She really wants to marry and is very sincere about it. She is kind of coming after me but I kind am getting attached to someone else. If here and I had our long conversations several weeks ago, who knows I would take her off the market myself. I will tell her 100% to go for Elena's and also ask that she also look at Dnipro agencies ae well.

[ECOCKS]

Elena's to get her feet wet and then she can look into the smaller, more specialized sites after she gets an idea of the types of guys out there as well as developing an understanding of what she and they really want from this relationship.

[Simoni]

Without English skills and a computer, I suggest that she use Cindy's in Dnepro.  I used them and found them reputable (as reputable as can be expected in the FSU).  

The benefit for her is that Cindy's does 95% of the work - they act as the woman's personal secretary.  Sometimes Cindy may do more than a woman authorizes, yet it is still up to the UW whether to meet a particular man.

I also used Cindy, as did lots of guys here at RWD.   I mostly ignored the women with poor English skills and went with fair or fluent, of which there were many.  So Cindy is a good place to look for women who are fluent. The advantage with fluency is that you don't have to hire a terp and thus you have much better communication with the girl.   With my wife, I met her through the agency but never used the agency after getting her cell #at all, except to rent a very fine flat.

In terms of Gator's last statement, the agency will call the girl on her cell, tell her she has a letter, and read it to her.  The girl then "writes you back" over the phone, as she dictates her response. It is a good system, in that you get a fast turn-around time.  

As Gator mentioned, it is still up to the UW if they want to meet your for a date.

[aventino68]

Would have to add that a downside of freepersonals is that any nice woman is going to get a lot of replies, I know one that got over 60 a day so unless she has free time on her hands it is  a lot of searching through replies on her part to find the normal guys who are actually serious. At least if the agency charges money, and it isn't much really as we are talking about a search for a lifepartner here, then she only has to deal with (hopefully) serious guys.

[sweetpea]

MatryoshkaMan, your lady friend can also try http://zapad.club10.com/ It used to be a great place called Eastwestmatch but no longer exists.  Another one is www.russianeuro.com
I do not think though it's a good idea to contact guys first but it depends...Good luck to your friend 

[MatryoshkaMan]

She has joined Elena's and becomed a "confirmed member"...makes sense as she had to send her passport to them. I chat with her regularly, she is not too pleased with how it is going so far (about a week) - she tells me all the guys are "old and ugly" and she has turned down all but 3 EOI's (expressions of interest). Seems she is pretty strict in her requirements (she just turned 31):
- Under 40
- No kids
- Never married before
- Attractive (this is always a given)

Of course I wish her well but I have already warned her that she has cut out a huge swath of men with these req's. But she will give it time and see what comes up. I told her it is only a matter of time before Mr. Right comes along.

Also worth noting is the fact that she completely rejects the notion of dating a local guy. She said forget about it when I mentioned it. Interesting mind-set.

[kievstar]

What city is she in?  I than could recommend an agency where men actually show up.

[ambach123]

Mman, those are her only requirements?

I am surprised she does  not want to be the Queen of England while she is at it.

She should grow up and look for whatever she wants in her own country.

[Admin]

Mman, those are her only requirements?

I am surprised she does  not want to be the Queen of England while she is at it.

She should grow up and look for whatever she wants in her own country.

Just my POV, but I see absolutely NOTHING wrong with someone stating exactly what they want - AND - I encourage them to NOT settle for anything less.

You see, one of the characteristics of people with low self-esteem is they are willing to 'settle'. People who believe themselves 'worthy' of a good relationship, set expectations for themselves and work to achieve those expectations.

That is not to suggest someone should be rigid about minor points - but if a person knows what they want - they SHOULD set those expectations. In fact, it might be argued that a person who establishes their expectations and pursues them - is likely to be more satisfied with the eventual outcome than someone who leaves things wide open and takes whatever comes along.

FWIW

- Dan

[kievstar]

I lot of Europe men fit that criteria, if she is open to a EU man will have no problems if she is in the right city and agency in Ukraine. 

[Admin]

I think it is interesting that she wants to find an up to 40 AM that has never been married before. That seemed the only challenging requirement to me. Not impossible, but challenging.

Hope she is successful.

It would be interesting to learn her rationale behind that 'requirement' - if it even is a hard requirement or just a desirable characteristic.

There are arguments to be made that if a guy remains single till post-40, it may indicate some latent 'issues.' Of course, that is very individual and it may mean nothing except that he, like her, has strict standards and is intent on finding a person meeting those standards and has not met them yet. Still, it would be an interesting dialogue of ideas.

MMan - any chance you could invite her here? We can commit to treating her gently and with no judgments. I recognize that may sound odd - especially for RWD - but in another day or so, we will make some significant changes and it will be evident that we are intent on accomplishing what I've described.

Anyway - see if she would be willing to spend some time with us. She might even find someone here at RWD than fits her requirements. Stranger things have happened.

- Dan

[Sculpto]

Mman, those are her only requirements?

I am surprised she does  not want to be the Queen of England while she is at it.

She should grow up and look for whatever she wants in her own country.

Look in a mirror when you say that.

[Admin]

Look in a mirror when you say that.

Sculpto,

Please leave the personal innuendo out of your responses. If you have an issue with something the poster wrote - state your issue focusing on the substantive elements - not the personality or the individual.

- Dan

[TwoBitBandit]

She has joined Elena's and becomed a "confirmed member"...makes sense as she had to send her passport to them. I chat with her regularly, she is not too pleased with how it is going so far (about a week) - she tells me all the guys are "old and ugly" and she has turned down all but 3 EOI's (expressions of interest). Seems she is pretty strict in her requirements (she just turned 31):
- Under 40
- No kids
- Never married before
- Attractive (this is always a given)

Her biggest problem is that she's not the target demographic of the guys she is looking for.  The guys that fit this description are looking for under-30 women.  I'm 37 and I didn't write a single woman over 30 for my last trip.

[BillyB]

She screams "cute" to my eyes anyways. I am sure with the right agency she will attract a good deal of attention. She really wants to marry and is very sincere about it.

No matter how beautiful she is, you need to tell her the odds of getting married to a foreign man are slim. Top girls at agencies get tons of dates but the reality is they may marry one or none of the foreign men that visit them. Maybe they have high standards and are very picky or maybe they waste too much time with men who make promises and don't deliver. The bottom line is the majority of women at the sites will not marry a foreign man. She needs to understand the odds and expect more disappointment coming her way like the disappointment she had with the Canadian man.

[JR]

Given time she'll figure out that a lot of men in the 40ish range that have never been married and have no kids are still living in their mother's basemsent and have no intention of leaving. Unless she's willing to become his mother that is

As pointed out not many men who fall within her demographics are looking for her.

I have one out of her four so perhaps I should give it a try...

I'm over forty (strike one)
I have a beautiful daughter (strike two)
I have been married (strike three)
But damn I'm good lookin (HOME RUN) ! ! ! ! ! ! !

[MatryoshkaMan]

Maybe a bit later I will try to entice her here. Her English is excellent. Just chatted with her and some good news. She has connected with a younger guy and they are exchanging letters like mad so I told her don't screw it up, get him to call you soon (accellerates the bond) and to send him only your best pictures!

[HiTech]

I think it is interesting that she wants to find an up to 40 AM that has never been married before. That seemed the only challenging requirement to me. Not impossible, but challenging.

Hope she is successful.

When I started I would have fit all her requirements , except I was 46. Had I bumped into this sight when I was 40, I would have met all her requirements. So I am sure there are men out there.

HiTech

[JR]

Yes, there are men out there that meet those basic requirements but those that do can get a 25 year old 8, 9 or 10 instead of a 31 y.o. 7. That is something he could probably get at home.

Of the few she will find even fewer will be interested in her. Then you have to start with the more important stuff like personalities and such. She is limiting herself, that is all. Or as it was pointed out, she knows what she wants.

[MatryoshkaMan]

Jollyrats you crack me up. I like your style, always keepin' in real with a touch of humour. I don't have the heart to tell her that her requirments are far too strict given that the odds are stacked so heavily against any one women finding "the man" having him really like and head down the marriage path and eventual re-settlement. She did make the point today - I could see she was worried about it - that "there are a lot of pretty girls on the site". At least she knows it is for the most part a buyers market (pardon the pun). I guess what it boils down to is that reality might set in and she might have to relax her standards or she might find the search grinding to a crawl. She just joined Elena's and is getting the burst of activity that comes with a new fresh face on the site. Her EOI's will probaly slow down as she might have already been contacted by a lot of potentials already. Like I said she said no to almost all, including the young guy that she later changed her mind on and decided to write back to. Her last 3 boyfriends have all been foreign men - and 2 of 3 were 45ish. Guess she has decided that she wants a man closer to her own age after a lot of experience with older men.

[JR]

It's probably cuz I'm always right People tend to just gravitate towards you when you're as awesome as I am...

You are right, she will find her own way. She has the experiences she has already been through and what she is now finding on EM and what the next few weeks will show her will provide her with even better direction.

Do try to get her here as I'm sure we'd all enjoy raking her over the coals

[Hub]

It is always a little sad to read about or talk to the man or woman who is just starting out in the venture who sets their standards too high.

Reason being that they pass on many opportunities that later, when their requirements become more realistic, they would readily accept.  But there is rarely a chance to go back and pursue the person who was summarily dismissed earlier.

I think this situation is worse for FSUW than it is for WM.  This is because the FSUW have read so much pure BS hype from agency sites and from these discussion sites, about how great they are and they come to believe it.  Thus they set their requirements much too high, and likely will end up with the other babushkas who gather at the parks in evening and weekends.