Starting out. The Realities of FSU Women VS American Women

[AramisLux]

sometime soon i hope to take the time to read this whole thread.

for now, i would just suggest that aw are: already spoiled, have unreasonable expectations, tend to bring crazy ideas about relationships into the dating process ("hey, i know, lets build our relationship on selfishness and spite!"), and generally are just plain difficult to impress or make happy.

hoping that relationships with fsuw are less of the above. maybe at the very least not already spoiled. any good chances of that?

[Gator]

Men are attracted to the 'hooker look.'  Otherwise, hookers would not dress as they do.

Please speak for yourself.  A number of UW look like drag queens.  


Personally I abhor the look, starting with pancake makeup and 3 cm of black eyeliner.   Can't they look at the photos and ads in fashion magazines.

This is in contrast to AW who vehemently declare that they dress for themselves (even when they go all out to look provocative.)

My wife dresses for everyone, and at the top of the list is herself.

[Sculpto]

hahahahaha Gator.. you gotta admit Adam is pretty hot.. 

[Gator]

for now, i would just suggest that aw are: already spoiled, have unreasonable expectations, tend to bring crazy ideas about relationships into the dating process ("hey, i know, lets build our relationship on selfishness and spite!"), and generally are just plain difficult to impress or make happy.

What did you do to the AW to make them behave this way?  What age are you talking about?  I had two serious relationships with AW after my divorce (32 and 43 at the time).  One lasted 18 months off and on. 

I would not describe either of the two as you have.  Rather, I would say AW are wonderful.  I found RW to be even better.

What was better?  To start, the relationship was easier, calmer and more direct. The RW were more interesting too, even after the novelty wore off.

hoping that relationships with fsuw are less of the above. maybe at the very least not already spoiled. any good chances of that?

It depends upon whom you choose to pursue. 

I am certain that all the bad qualities that you attached to AW can be found in some RW.  It is common knowledge that well heeled RM spend some of their money "sponsoring" young dyevs, then dumping them soon after spoiling them.  Hook up with one of these RW and you will learn quickly about being spoiled:

"Buy me please the boots in the window."

"Why?"

"Because I am beautiful."

How do you spot such women?  They look like your precious Zhanna from HRB.
 

[Misha]

for now, i would just suggest that aw are: already spoiled, have unreasonable expectations, tend to bring crazy ideas about relationships into the dating process ("hey, i know, lets build our relationship on selfishness and spite!"), and generally are just plain difficult to impress or make happy.

I can't really speak of American women, but can affirm that Canadian women don't fit this description. I doubt that American women fit this description as well. If it were the case, why are all the sappy love stories so popular with women?  :evil: Also, why do women want to find the right man and get married and why were books on how to find and keep love so popular?

[IAmZon]

Eastern European / RW (and women from other places too) - the ones that immigrate, or are open to immigration, tend to TRY much harder in everything. They possess a traditional femininity, and there is an absence of role confusion which is common in American Relationships.

The normal American diet and lack of daily exercise creates an additional 5 - 20 pounds for even younger women. 

I can, and do, date younger women in the US; I stretch my league to unwise limits ... but there is no question that I enjoy many more open doors in other cultures than USA.  Call it curiosity, a more accepting culture, whatever ... the difference in a man's value and marketability is obviously much higher in other places. 

Let's be honest!  Although it is possible to date a "garden variety" younger / pretty woman in the USA, we can all admit that the competition for a high quality, very educated, attractive, younger women, with no severe baggage or significant character flaws, with a normal "operational psychology;"  someone who has it all together, and comes from a good family and sound background is HIGH - VERY HIGH. In these cases, especially, there are strong community norms that make sure things (age gaps and league gaps) do not get too out of whack.  (this might be good in some cases, superficial in others)

And when I do date an AW (on those rare occasions), I am reminded about how different I behave to women from different cultures - where I am allowed to be, and EXPECTED to be a MAN.  I am reminded about how different the expectations are from the AW too.   (trying to redefine 10,000 years of evolutions in one generation)   

Choosing the playing field is "no contest" in my book.

[Sculpto]

Ricardo.. you are awesome man.. hey.. have you been in Medellin at xmas time?  I really want to see the Alumbrado.

[ECOCKS]

I have been right there for several mornings, noons and evenings; as recently as 2 weeks ago.
Yes, I know what you mean.  But it is the dress and makeup that give the ooomph.
Men are attracted to the 'hooker look.'  Otherwise, hookers would not dress as they do.

Another interesting related point.  I asked several Kyiv women about the dress styles.
It was quite refreshing in that they readily admitted that 'all we do is for the men.'
This is in contrast to AW who vehemently declare that they dress for themselves (even when they go all out to look provocative.)

So, we agree to disagree then.

[Simoni]

hahahahaha Gator.. you gotta admit Adam is pretty hot.. 

Man, what a talent he is!  He is my favorite play on my ipod these days-- I downloaded everything itunes had on him.  I can't even remember the name of the guy who won the competition.

PS-- before too many eyes are rolled, Elton John ain't bad, either.

[Sculpto]

Yeah he should have won.. but America isn't ready I guess.. plus his final performance was a little dark.. might have scared some little kids.. lol and parents who don't want their kids to Emo.

[KenC]

I hate to add to the off topic talk here, but Adam blew it when he turned down Queen's offer to join the group  What a great Freddy Mercury replacement he would have been.
KenC

[Sculpto]

I didnt hear about that Ken.. but man you are right.. he would have been perfect.  Probably a bit of ageism there.. thats my guess. 

[MatryoshkaMan]

What say I?

Well, apparently my attempt to express this failed.

All I can say is that I very deliberately said "attractive" which covers the shape, dress and general presentation of a woman.

As for beauty, you'll just have to read the last section and go from there. Feel free to go to Kyiv's Kreshatyk metro around 8:30 or 9:00AM some morning and check what I call the "ooomph" factor. That is, how many women do you see who literally take your breath away? For me it was noticeably higher in Kyiv than any other place I have lived or visited.

I echo that. I was last in Ukraine in 2007. Sitting for a couple of hours waiting at Borispol for my flight and people-watching I saw more attractive women in a short time than I see in Vancouver in months...These kind of things make an impression on a guy. Then I get on the plane to Munich and wouldn't you know, I sit next to a super hottie who is flying back to her man in Switzerland and have a long and engaging chat. I had butterflies the whole time..another unforgettable impression...

Even last night I was watching PBS newshour and they did a piece on the bad health of Russians in general and wouldn't you know they interview the Russian minister of health and damn she was  hot (for her age - maybe late 40's). You could tell when she was young she was a hottie. Enought said. Does anyone in Barack Obama's cabinet turn you on? I don't think so....

[SANDRO43]

Writing on the internet is subject to new laws of grammatical and phonetical interpretation.

New laws ? Sorry, I can only see incoherent usage due to either ignorance or ineptitude or carelessness.

Languages have always evolved gradually through usage towards simplification - one cannot understand a lot of Shakespeare or the King James's Bible without the help of notes now after 4 centuries - but intellegibility was usually preserved during the process, which is NOT the case when one writes their/there/they're haphazardly simply because it sounds right.

They recently had a referendum in Germany on a proposed simplification of German spelling. I for one was relieved to hear that they quashed the idea .

It is the destruction of language as we know it. Language is evolving towards a new paradigm because of the immediacy of the new communications media...

1st problem: inane communication models. One is not really FORCED to accept the lowest common denominator - except from mental laziness .

My first year in college in a creative writing class the prof told us.. forget about grammar and spelling.. just concentrate on yrou ideas and thoughts.

2nd problem: exaggerated emphasis on content to the detriment of form in the school system these past 30 years, because the poor kids could not really bear the awesome strain .

Content vs. form has been debated since the times of Plato and Aristotle and, IMO, is a false debate as any other dichotomy. You cannot have one without the other .

Nuff sed .

[Simoni]

I hate to add to the off topic talk here, but Adam blew it when he turned down Queen's offer to join the group  What a great Freddy Mercury replacement he would have been.
KenC

Topic is long past dead, so
 
Queen is my wife's favorite all time group.  And yes, Adam could have done Freddy better than anyone!  I'm blown away by his voice and the different styles he can sing.  Did you hear him doing Johnny Cash?

Something tells me that he did the right thing in turning down Queen.  He has a fantastic future.

[Simoni]

Content vs. form has been debated since the times of Plato and Aristotle and, IMO, is a false debate as any other dichotomy. You cannot have one without the other .

Then what the heck are these American 12 year olds giggling about as they text one another?  I suspect the content is indeed there...

[Sculpto]

yeah its sad when Adam is the hottest AW around..

pretty much every weekend the nightclub across the street from my studio has some pretty hot girls walking around in high heels and short skirts.. 100% asian women and a lot of black dudes mostly Phils females and even then.. 35% are significantly overweight.. go up the street to another club where there are mostly white people.. the women are not in heels.. no mini skirts.. dumpy in general.. and 65% are significantly overweight and there are still lines of guys drooling over them bending over backwards for a little piece of ... if my stomach could tolerate greasy Phil food it would have been an option before... Phil girls want to feed you.. they want you to get fat so other girls wont want you.. its weird.. education?  lacking.. cultural sophisitcation?  lacking... overall desireability?  even the hot ones dont even pass a five for me on the 1-10 based on the combined factors.  I am sure there are exceptions.. there always are.. but.. no thanks.  I know a bunch of white guys married to Asian women and they are pretty miserable... big weight gains for the guys.. wives that stopped taking care of themselves and no longer look good in miniskirts who bitch at them all the time.. I am talking about American born Asians of course.  There are exceptions.. I am not denying that.. Three blocks over there are some nightclubs with a more Latin client base.. some very hot women nicely dressed.. about 50% overweight.. the hot ones KNOW IT and are workin it for a rich guy.. typically white people are not very well received unless you are a great salsa dancer.. Mostly PR and Cubanos and a few Dominicans, American born.. the Mexicans are at home.. dont go out to clubs so much.. lower population of American born and the illegals dont go to night clubs.  A few blocks in the other direction and there are a bunch of clubs catering to whites.. most of the women in that district are heavily tatooed and are looking for a rich guy who doesn't have to work and rides a European motorcycle and plays in a band or something along those lines.  There are some "bridge and tunnel" types that will come in on the weekends.. but they are usually scared of guys from the city and come in packs.. they are easy to ID walking down the street because they arrive in packs.. their sense of style is warped and they look scared since they are "slummin"  I can go downtown and chase the lipstick chicks.. office workers.. but they really bore th hell out of me most of the time and typically define the gold digger/self absorbed wannabe feminists and are very quick to judge a guy purely on his car and wallet.  

The only times I met very good women here in SF was when I was involved in some kind of collaborative art project or when I have taught classes.

Sorry this turned into a rant.

[KenC]

OK, Simoni,
The top singers will all have great futures, I agree.  IMO, Adam's talent is for the stage and other than doing live musicals, a concert band like Queen would be the best use of his talents.

My daughter called it right when she predicted that Chris would beat Adam because all the Danny Goky (sp?) voters would vote for Chris over Adam.  I too was still surprised Adam did not win, but it was kind of interesting that Jamie Fox said he would die to have Chris produce some music for him.

BTW, the American Idol final show was one of the best musical variety shows I have ever seen.
KenC

[SANDRO43]

Then what the heck are these American 12 year olds giggling about as they text one another?  I suspect the content is indeed there...

NOT being the recipient of their SMSs, I cannot really tell .

[Sculpto]

:offtopic:New laws ? Sorry, I can only see incoherent usage due to either ignorance or ineptitude or carelessness.

Languages have always evolved gradually through usage towards simplification - one cannot understand a lot of Shakespeare or the King James's Bible without the help of notes now after 4 centuries - but intellegibility was usually preserved during the process, which is NOT the case when one writes their/there/they're haphazardly simply because it sounds right.

They recently had a referendum in Germany on a proposed simplification of German spelling. I for one was relieved to hear that they quashed the idea .
1st problem: inane communication models. One is not really FORCED to accept the lowest common denominator - except from mental laziness .2nd problem: exaggerated emphasis on content to the detriment of form in the school system these past 30 years, because the poor kids could not really bear the awesome strain .

Content vs. form has been debated since the times of Plato and Aristotle and, IMO, is a false debate as any other dichotomy. You cannot have one without the other .

Sandro.. you are 100% right.. I agree with you completely!  nevertheless.. there is a purposeful and deliberate linguistic evolution taking place.  Let me give a really bizarre example.. a couple weeks ago I was down in TJ walking around in the tourist nightclub area the night before I went to the concert.. some girls started talking to me.. probably about 18 years old.. now I am pretty darn fluent in Spanish.. accent and all.. could use some more vocab and some future tenses still mess me up, but, I have no problems at all communicating.. yet I had absolutely no idea what those girls were saying.. all three of them had a cell phone in each hand and they were texting and talking and giggling.. it was funny but weird and I really had no idea what slang they were using or what they were trying to get across.  I finaly said.. hey.. speak to me in Spanish not gibberish.. they laughed and told me in clean Spanish they wanted me to pay their cover charge to go in a club.  I said no thanks and walked away.. anyway.. the point is clear.. we are all dinosaurs in that regard.. yes, it is sad.. its tragic even..

But, mental laziness?  no.  it really is a mental shift.. these people are growing up with a media we didn't have and a bombardment of imagery and stimulus we never imagined.  

[Sculpto]

Then what the heck are these American 12 year olds giggling about as they text one another?  I suspect the content is indeed there...

none of us could even comprehend the code language they are using.  It is going to be a new international language.  Where Esperanto failed.

http://www.netlingo.com/acronyms.php

[Simoni]

OK, Simoni,
The top singers will all have great futures, I agree.  IMO, Adam's talent is for the stage and other than doing live musicals, a concert band like Queen would be the best use of his talents.

My daughter called it right when she predicted that Chris would beat Adam because all the Danny Goky (sp?) voters would vote for Chris over Adam.  I too was still surprised Adam did not win, but it was kind of interesting that Jamie Fox said he would die to have Chris produce some music for him.

BTW, the American Idol final show was one of the best musical variety shows I have ever seen.
KenC

I heard that both Van Halen and Kiss wanted Adam.  But with Queen, he would have had so many great songs to sing in concert, and gradually add new original ones he does.

I agree that that final show as an amazing variety show.  I recorded it and KEPT it.

Moving on, did you see this on America's Got Talent this week?  Start watching at 2:07 for the song itself.

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzul5rxd-i8[/youtube]

[SANDRO43]

 nevertheless.. there is a purposeful and deliberate linguistic evolution taking place.  Let me give a really bizarre example...

I beg to differ. I don't know about you, but when I was in my teens, my pals and I had our own jargon. It originated from various sources, one among many the Italian-dubbed version of this French film on their loose youth :

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19ZkKeoNjPo[/youtube]

I think it's a common-enough juvenile phenomenon, its purposes being showing a distinct identity/belonging to a group - apparently contradictory - as well as confusing the elders .

[SANDRO43]

Moving on, did you see this on America's Got Talent this week?  Start watching at 2:07 for the song itself.

Another '"Embedding disabled..."

TIP: reload the RWD page and left-click 3 times QUICKLY on the link, it'll open the original Youtube page .

[Simoni]

Darn.  It worked for me, but I guess that is because I linked it.

Here is the URL: