What in a Ten?

[Gator]

In my eyes  and heart my wife is a 10.  If she was a 9.99 I would have said "next". Others may think different and I do not care but she is a 10 to me.

Healthy, mature attitude.  So where does the following  come from?

I like girls 1.78cm and taller and less than 55kg with some chest.  I used to meet so many girls in Kiev who were 1.71 cm and 53 kg and I never could get over the weight issue to height in my eyes and reason I used to have more than 10 sim cards..... Shallow yes - but I want complete package.

You and Taz should start a club.

My ex-fiancee was a real professional model (runways in Germany for years and made enough money to buy a good apartment and life).  She described herself jokingly as "tall, model thin, with breasts."  Moscow TV did a short story on her and how she returned to modeling within a few days of having a baby. Remarkable, yes!

When I dated her she was 42 and the inevitable happened - she weighed 66-67 or more kg (my guess as I did not care).  She did not let herself go, as it was natural (and she still looked fabulous with or without clothes.  This is what happens as people get older.  What will you do then?

If you become obsessed with this issue 15 years from now (I don't know your wife's age), you could easily make her think that you don't love her.  And we know where that goes.

BTW, her height is about 1.75 m so you would never have considered her.

[Gator]

Those girls would have a BMI of less than 17.4, i.e. underweight and quite possibly suffering from various health problems (anorexia, fertility problems, etc)

I have noticed a number of pencil thin young dyevs, and it appears they grew their ultimate skeletal frame before adding flesh.  I don't see any babushkas with such a body, so something happens along the way.

My second FSUW date was like that except she was already 31 yo.  She was a doctor and NOT happy with her frame, wanting more weight for health reasons.  Besides the problems you mentioned, osteoporosis is an issue.  This doctor was already stooping at the neck.

[Misha]

Misha, why else do you think I went to Bulgaria?

Look at some of these pictures of RW here, do they look like wife material to you? Surely they are very good for entertainment.

I would like to see pictures of real life 10 women; I believe Jack Bragg has such a collection.

Go to singles.ru and you will find thousands or real life women.

Let me predict the future. You will make three trips to Bulgaria, you will meet women, you will wave a prenupt and for whatever reason (religious, not religious, too educated, not educated enough) you will break off your engagements. The only question is which country will then have women that are better "wife material" after your future disappointment with Bulgaria. Perhaps Albania? Perhaps Poland?

[ambach123]

Misha, Dan has repeatedly stated that a poster should not comment on the person, but the subject matter, and if they have nothing to contribute then shut up.

Which part of this you don't understand?

Were you born stupid or just pretend to be stupid?

[Misha]

Misha, Dan has repeatedly stated that a poster should not comment on the person, but the subject matter, and if they have nothing to contribute then shut up.

Which part of this you don't understand?

Were you born stupid or just pretend to be stupid?

I won't respond to the born stupid comment, but I am being honest here. I see a pattern and shifting countries won't solve anything. First you idealize the women, then you find some flaw and then you move on. Likewise you swing between extremes. First RW were idealized, now they are all bad, and you now move to Bulgaria because you believe that THERE you will find what you are looking for as you could not find it in Russia. IMHO, until you recognize and break the pattern, you will never be able to have a long-term relationship with any woman. Feel free to prove me wrong.

[ambach123]

Misha, you don't get it; I don't need to prove anything, I just want you to follow the rules of the Board or get out.

[HazyKnight]

Misha:

I see a pattern and shifting countries won't solve anything. First you idealize the women, then you find some flaw and then you move on. Likewise you swing between extremes. First RW were idealized, now they are all bad, and you now move to Bulgaria because you believe that THERE you will find what you are looking for as you could not find it in Russia. IMHO, until you recognize and break the pattern, you will never be able to have a long-term relationship with any woman. Feel free to prove me wrong.

I agree and perhaps even see this pattern in myself... another sad day lol.

JollyRats:
Holy Good God Man! Where are you getting those photos? Are those women on websites? Break bread brother and share the wealth on where you're drilling into that beauty well.

All:
Attraction is subjective. So a "10," is completely arbitrary depending on the person. Anything else in terms of this conversation is a moot point.

[Misha]

Misha, you don't get it; I don't need to prove anything, I just want you to follow the rules of the Board or get out.

 

[kievstar]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.  I looked at the Bulgaria woman and gave her a zero IMO.  Why - I am not attracted to most girls with black hair.  I also think Angie Jolie is a 0 as well but more to her political views and she used to wear a necklace with blood.  To someone else these women are 10's.  On beauty I would give Angelie a 3 just not my type of looks.  She is a short girl and should be with a short muscular man.  Brad Pit is perfect for her.

Regarding women taller than 178cm (I should put a limit on 180cm as hard to work as a model over this if a woman) and less than 55 kg really depends on the bone structure.  Many women can not pull this off because their normal or big boned.  Also, leg size to body comes into play - need very long legs.  Also, women need to be in proper diet and fitness.  Fitness is important to me and I keep in good shape except when I am eating the devils food of potato, watermelon, corn, carrot, orange juice, white rice, whit pasta, sugar, beer, and most breads.  Eat this shit your not being healthy.   

Gisele fits into this category. She was 179cm and 53 kg before breast implants than went to 54kg.  She recently before becoming pregnant went to 57 kg so she could work in the certain countries who make models be a certain weight to work but drops back to 54 kg when not in these countries.   She holds the nickname "Body"

My wife at one point when 18 was a high level model but a RM made her to stop as he was the jealous type. She looks more than her weight but I have posted before how I weighed her on accurate scales and she weighs less and I got the RW stare like why do you waste my time when I tell you I weigh less than you think.  She has muscle but she is just thin boned.  She goes to the gym and eats.

The BMI calculation is a joke however for true health.  A man who is 6 foot 3 and 201 pounds is over weight.  BMI does not comprehend muscle, length of leg.  I feel like a fat pig right now but BMI says I am normal weight.  My wife is 16.5 bmi and when she was a model was 16.  Also, Gisele is not healthy either according to BMI.  I think the BMI most have been invented by heavy women and men.   

Heidi Klum is 177.5cm and 54kg.  An extra .5 cm would be less than 1 kg.  She looks very healthy. To short for me so Seal can have her.   Heidi has healthy kids and lifestyle. 99.99% of the women can not pull off what I like since they were not born with the right bones.  I never said all women should be this but this is what I find attractive.  There are thousands and thousands of women on agencies and when I got tired of being single I used this for my search and than closely looked at some photos / profiles than picked one girl to visit.  Got married and were both happy.  If she becomes 65 kilograms really not a problem.  But her mother and father are very slender.

I do think many people think Heidi and Gisele are 10's. 

http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/public/heart/obesity/lose_wt/risk.htm#limitations

[Misha]

I do think many people think Heidi and Gisele are 10's. 

Is this the Gisele you are referring to: http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2008/stylewatch/gallery/swimsuit_guide/tall/giselle.jpg?

If it is, do not count me in the list of many people. She is WAAAAAAAAY to skinny for my tastes. I do not find a woman attractive when you see every bone protruding through her skin. Also, I do not like fake blondes either. Give me a natural brunette any day over a blonde with her roots showing through  :evil:

But, as you said, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

[Daveman]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.  I looked at the Bulgaria woman and gave her a zero IMO.  Why - I am not attracted to most girls with black hair. 

Yes indeed, it's in the eye.  I'll take all of those raven haired, sloe eyed zeros you pass on..  though not so skinny, and a little shorter..  I like a woman to be soft and feminine, those boney types really do nothing for me at all. I definitely prefer a little overweight/padding in the right places to the super skinny types.

One of my all time fav's and my version of a 10 would be Sherilyn Fenn.  She's the only celebrity I've ever considered to be a 10. Most are just average to butt ugly and I have no idea why they're hyped as beautiful (Julia Roberts immediately comes to mind, she's OK I guess, but certainly nothing to rave about)

[kievstar]

Have you guys ever been with a Giselle or Klum, I think you will find there not boney. People some women have very long legs and thin boned.  Many women starve themselves as they are average boned to be models.  Gator's girl he mentions was in that category. Just not born to be built like that and starved herself to be a model.  Women who starve themselves I agree are not healthy.  A girl who is 5 foot 7 and 145 to 147 pounds I would not call in shape - sorry Gator.  But a lot of guys like a little junk in the trunk.   

Majority of professional models starve themselves to be a model.  I do not like those type of women.  But I classify a profession model as someone who has worked in Paris, Milan, and New York runway.  You have not worked those three cities your not a real runway model.  Just an amateur runway model.

Misha, I agree a girl with black hair should not be a blonde. 

Age has nothing to do with weight gain or children.  Just a lazy excuse women and men use.  Bodies are always changing and need to adapt to stay healthy.  Weight gain is mental as well. 

Gator, all men are immature.  You agree that a man who gets a divorce with children is immature?

[SANDRO43]

One of my all time fav's and my version of a 10 would be Sherilyn Fenn.  She's the only celebrity I've ever considered to be a 10.

I've always wondered why I find significantly more stunners among green/blue-eyed brunettes than among their opposites, brown-eyed blondes (few and far between when really natural).

The green/blue-eyed blonde traditionally typifies the cool, distant 'angelic' woman celebrated by troubadours since the Middle Ages, while dark-haired/-eyed women were often used to depict witches.

Maybe the green/blue-eyed brunette personifies the sublime combination of both stereotypes, a devilish angel .

[Daveman]

I've always wondered why I find significantly more stunners among green/blue-eyed brunettes than among their opposites, brown-eyed blondes (few and far between when really natural).

The green/blue-eyed blonde traditionally typifies the cool, distant 'angelic' woman celebrated by troubadours since the Middle Ages, while dark-haired/-eyed women were often used to depict witches.

Maybe the green/blue-eyed brunette personifies the sublime combination of both stereotypes, a devilish angel .

Now that's funny, either GMTA or OGMOHMTA (one great mind, one half mind think alike) or there is something to what you posted there.  I say this because from the first time I saw that woman in "Just One Of The Guys" some 20 years ago, her eyes knocked me into another universe, and the dark hair contrasts gorgeously with her pale angelic skin... your "devilish angel" comment is what I've always said about her appearance only in slightly different terms "a mischievous angel".  I think think you hit a dead ringer in what *I* am attracted to most.   

[SANDRO43]

I think think you hit a dead ringer in what *I* am attracted to most.   

Perverts of a feather...

[Gator]

Kievstar,

Although you have obvious skills in the two worlds of international business and RW, some of your comments make me think of you as a pompous elitist, and you are not even British.  I don't know if that is how you would like us to consider you.

But I classify a profession model as someone who has worked in Paris, Milan, and New York runway.  You have not worked those three cities your not a real runway model.  Just an amateur runway model.

You are confusing “professional” with “top tier.”  Anyone who makes a good living for 20 years as a model in Europe (starting on runways in Germany during Soviet days and concluding in Austria doing kitchen cabinet photos) without nudity is a real professional model.

People some women have very long legs and thin boned.  Many women starve themselves as they are average boned to be models.  Gator's girl he mentions was in that category. Just not born to be built like that and starved herself to be a model. 

Wrong again.  She is in the long leg, thin boned category.

A girl who is 5 foot 7 and 145 to 147 pounds I would not call in shape - sorry Gator.  But a lot of guys like a little junk in the trunk.

Wrong again.  I said she is 175 cm, which is 5’ 9”.  I never said she was in shape.  My comment was, “…she still looked fabulous with or without clothes”  (and to a number of well-heeled Italian men participating in the Mille Miglia).  The weight she gained was evenly distributed without cellulite.

I find it strange to defend a woman who meant a lot to me at one time yet nothing now.  Enough. 

My comment still stands that if a man demands a 20-yo model look from his wife when she is in her 40s after a couple of weeuns, he is missing some important parts of life (and maybe lose a fine wife)..

Gator, all men are immature.  You agree that a man who gets a divorce with children is immature?

The relevance of your question eludes me.  My answer is that there can be extenuating circumstances.  Whatever, children suffer the most, and it is important to isolate children from the pain of divorce as much as possible. 

[Aloe]

thanks Jolly a little late with advice though, we had a really long conversation about it, now he says im the most beautiful, but i think he says it cuz thats what i wanna hear; that is something that bothers me sometimes, as someone mentioned here, "training" him sounds good, but then he will not be himself, he will just act the way i want him to, but i want him to be himself too and that he can say anything that is on his mind to me... but i also want him to act in a certain way sometimes, so im puzzled here. Teaching him how to be the way i want him to, versus letting him be himself and cause annoyance sometimes? Lol. Dont get me wrong, he is perfect for me in almost every way, and its really great being together, but some tiny little things really bug me a lot sometimes, like that thing he said about that woman, or like when he refuses to do any excercise for his ass in the gym for some silly reasons, he has a great athletic body except his butt, that just puzzles me, why not do an excercise for the butt? But he just wont do it  lol, i dont know how to convince him, any ideas? But then i stop to think, and say to myself, just let him be... but on the other hand i love seeing a great butt on a guy... sigh... (yes yes, i know i have silly "problems")

[gemini]

I don't like those feminine-looking handsome guys. Brrr
Men should be ugly, strong, smart, funny and interesting.
 

[Daveman]

I don't like those feminine-looking hansom guys. Brrr
Men should be ugly, strong, smart, funny and interesting.
 

Well heck, I should be married 6-7 times over by now..    except for the ugly part.. and strong.. and perhaps smart and funny..  but I think I can handle interesting.. that should be good to go.

[JR]

thanks Jolly a little late with advice though, we had a really long conversation about it, now he says im the most beautiful, but i think he says it cuz thats what i wanna hear; that is something that bothers me sometimes, as someone mentioned here, "training" him sounds good, but then he will not be himself, he will just act the way i want him to, but i want him to be himself too and that he can say anything that is on his mind to me... but i also want him to act in a certain way sometimes, so im puzzled here. Teaching him how to be the way i want him to, versus letting him be himself and cause annoyance sometimes? Lol. Dont get me wrong, he is perfect for me in almost every way, and its really great being together, but some tiny little things really bug me a lot sometimes, like that thing he said about that woman, or like when he refuses to do any excercise for his ass in the gym for some silly reasons, he has a great athletic body except his butt, that just puzzles me, why not do an excercise for the butt? But he just wont do it  lol, i dont know how to convince him, any ideas? But then i stop to think, and say to myself, just let him be... but on the other hand i love seeing a great butt on a guy... sigh... (yes yes, i know i have silly "problems")

My opinion? Better to not have long discussions about things like that. The shorter the better. And yes he is doing so out of obligation now. Give him time and he will find sincerity in it.
Let the "tiny little things" go. Accentuate the positive.
Any ideas on his butt? Yes, show him mine...I can stop bullets with my butt Haha! Butt seriously...my idea of convincing him is to not try at all. It sounds like you have already let him know how you feel. It is up to him to change if he feels the need to.

[Misha]

but on the other hand i love seeing a great butt on a guy... sigh... (yes yes, i know i have silly "problems")

Encourage him to do some biking. The only problem is that you don't have many good hills, let along mountains, in your corner of the world from what I understand, so he will have to do a lot of biking to develop his gluteals  :evil:

[JR]

What is NOT a ten What the hell was she thinking?

[Simoni]

Now that's just wrong.

Your posting those pics is what I'm talking 'bout!

Now I won't be able to sleep tonight.  I might have nightmares...

[JR]

Misha:
I agree and perhaps even see this pattern in myself... another sad day lol.

JollyRats:
Holy Good God Man! Where are you getting those photos? Are those women on websites? Break bread brother and share the wealth on where you're drilling into that beauty well.

All:
Attraction is subjective. So a "10," is completely arbitrary depending on the person. Anything else in terms of this conversation is a moot point.

Hehe! The top one is a model, names under the photo. Daveman's fav is a 19 y.o. from Moscow, or so her profile says...I'll find out The fourth one is Kiera Knightly, the actress. The bottom two are from "hot for words" website. All I did was google "hot women" to get some then threw in a few of my own picks.

[JR]

Now that's just wrong.

Your posting those pics is what I'm talking 'bout!

Now I won't be able to sleep tonight.  I might have nightmares...

Ah come on, you know you want her Nightmares or wetdreams......HAHAHAHAHAAA