Do You Want A Slavonic woman?

[ambach123]

A RW sent this to me.
It sounds like agency hype to me. Does not say anything about their negatives.
But may be there is some truth in it.
It says " the rest of your life"; that does not seem to me, from what I read here.
Here it goes. I copy and paste.

If you as a Westerner marry a Slavonic woman,  in most likelihood you will spend the rest of your life with a lady from different culture, speaking other strange language, having another mentality. They behave and understand things from their own point of view not like women in your country. 
 Majority of Slavonic women have the reputation of good wives. General characteristic for them is that they are loving, tender and kind with their husbands. Also they are considered as good and caring mothers. Their husbands can expect good home made meal, clan house, and good looking woman that serves the table. Do you want to have all these?
The difference between Slavonic and western women is that the latter are more career-oriented and more emancipated. Slavonic women have saved the natural destination of a woman in this world.
Those men who choose to marry Slavonic women have more chances to have happy marriage. 
Attitude to clothing
You will be amazed they way Slavonic woman will dressed at first appointment. She will look brilliant. For her it is special occasion- she has a date with a man, who possibly will be her husband in the future.
 They pay more attention to appearance and cloth than women from Europe and western women. Even if she goes for shopping, no matter what kind of vehicle she uses: bus or own car she will have a good look. You would rarely meet Russian or Ukrainian woman wearing shapeless T-shirts or loose cloth.
They are very demanding what concerns their look. They know how to take care of themselves. You never won’t be embarrassed the way your lady looks.
Slavonic Women and Beauty
Generally Russian and Ukrainian girls and women are slim. They never had chance to use too much synthetic fast food which is good.  On the contrary they always made food at home. Nowadays there are many women who drive cars but the same time they go to gym. Other women use public transport and are active.
In general Slavonic women pay more attention to make-up and clothing than women in other countries. Many of them keep a diet and do sports or dancing to stay fit.
They like reading and knowing about all news in fashion, make-up, food, beauty, health industries.
They do not do it only to attract men, but they also believe that every woman has to stay a woman. Let’s say so – it is duty of every woman – to have a good look.
Slavonic girls and young ladies look very good and fresh.
Besides many of them learn sewing or knitting from the very childhood because these skills are thought to be of a great demand and besides this will be helpful if you to dress up at minimum expenses.
Russian and Ukrainian women and religion
We would like to focus your attention here on Ukrainian women’s attitude to religion. As you probably know most of them practice orthodox. Majority of Ukranian women are  religious. Usually they attend church on greatest religious holidays like Christmas, Epiphany, Easter. This comes probably from the sphere they were brought up in childhood in FSU.
Most of people in Russian and Ukrainian speaking regions believe in God’s existence, they follow Bible postulates – do not kill, of steal, etc.
The same time people believe in the world beyond and its power: they are afraid of hypnotists, witches.. Not all of them.  But some people are.
 Interest to religion has lately grown.
You should discuss this topic in every detail.

[Simoni]

Oh, my.

Where to start?

As I started to read this, my BS monitor went off quite quickly.  If it had been a act on "America's Got Talented" and had I been a judge, you would have heard a loud buzzer and seen a big red X by the end of the third line...

It is typical marriage agency boilerplate.  The kind of language used to see their product.  That says that slavic women are better than American women.

But as they ticked off the items, one by one, I started to keep score.  And I was surprised...

[Simoni]

As I read, I thought of my wife, and her friends.   And I started to come to conclusions, point by point...

STATEMENT:  in most likelihood you will spend the rest of your life with a lady from different culture, speaking other strange language, having another mentality. They behave and understand things from their own point of view not like women in your country. 

MY REALITY:  True.  She does have a different mentality than the women I have known all my life.  Sometimes this is good. Sometimes it is bad...

Score-- True

STATEMENT: Majority of Slavonic women have the reputation of good wives. General characteristic for them is that they are loving, tender and kind with their husbands. Also they are considered as good and caring mothers. Their husbands can expect good home made meal, clEan house, and good looking woman that serves the table. Do you want to have all these?

MY REALITY:  Partially correct.  My wife is a great wife.  She is loving, tender and kind to me.  She is a GREAT mother.   But-- she is not a housecleaner--we have a maid!  And she is a below average cook.

Score--  Half true


STATEMENT: The difference between Slavonic and western women is that the latter are more career-oriented and more emancipated. Slavonic women have saved the natural destination of a woman in this world.

MY REALITY:  My wife chooses to stay home for the next few years to be a mother.  She does not want to put our baby in child care.    But my wife IS emancipated and is her own woman.

Score-- half true
 
STATEMENT: Attitude to clothing;  You will be amazed they way Slavonic woman will dressed at first appointment. She will look brilliant. For her it is special occasion- she has a date with a man, who possibly will be her husband in the future.
They pay more attention to appearance and cloth than women from Europe and western women. Even if she goes for shopping, no matter what kind of vehicle she uses: bus or own car she will have a good look. You would rarely meet Russian or Ukrainian woman wearing shapeless T-shirts or loose cloth.
They are very demanding what concerns their look. They know how to take care of themselves. You never won’t be embarrassed the way your lady looks.

MY REALITY:  Absolutely true.  She takes great care with her appearance.  And mine, too! If we make a five minute run to the grocery store, she will make up her hair and face and wear attractive clothes.  She always looks her best in public.  And really, around me, too.

Score-- True


STATEMENT:  Slavonic Women and Beauty; Generally Russian and Ukrainian girls and women are slim. They never had chance to use too much synthetic fast food which is good.  On the contrary they always made food at home. Nowadays there are many women who drive cars but the same time they go to gym. Other women use public transport and are active. Many of them keep a diet and do sports or dancing to stay fit.  In general Slavonic women pay more attention to make-up and clothing than women in other countries.

MY REALITY:  She stays slim.  Our baby is 4 months old, and she looks great. She is within 3 pounds of the weight she had before pregnancy.  She insists that we walk and exercise every day.

Score--  True
 
STATEMENT: They like reading and knowing about all news in fashion, make-up, food, beauty, health industries.   They do not do it only to attract men, but they also believe that every woman has to stay a woman. Let’s say so – it is duty of every woman – to have a good look.   Slavonic girls and young ladies look very good and fresh.

MY REALITY:  She buys books and magazines constantly, studying how to have the best look.

Score-- True


STATEMENT:  Besides many of them learn sewing or knitting from the very childhood because these skills are thought to be of a great demand and besides this will be helpful if you to dress up at minimum expenses.

MY REALITY:  Mariana has an amazing talent in clothes design.  She makes most of her clothes, and I think has a future career in clothing design.  A sewing machine was one of our first purchases.  Many of our RW friends also sew and design.  I think Greg from Georgia's wife is similar to mine in this respect.

Score-- True

STATEMENT: Russian and Ukrainian women and religion/
We would like to focus your attention here on Ukrainian women’s attitude to religion. As you probably know most of them practice orthodox. Majority of Ukranian women are  religious. Usually they attend church on greatest religious holidays like Christmas, Epiphany, Easter. This comes probably from the sphere they were brought up in childhood in FSU.

MY REALITY:  I was impressed when dating my wife with her devotation to God.  She was and is serious.  However, I think this is not the norm for FSUW.   My wife has it because of a devoted grandmother, who prayed through the dark ages of the Soviet area.

Score-- Not true

STATEMENT: The same time people believe in the world beyond and its power: they are afraid of hypnotists, witches.. Not all of them.  But some people are.  Interest to religion has lately grown.
You should discuss this topic in every detail.

MY REALITY:  My wife does tell of scary visits with fortune tellers.  She says it was all in fun just to see what they would say, and she did not believe them.  But most Christian girls in the USA would not consult fortune tellers.  The last statement is true. There is increased interest in religion in Ukraine.

Score-- half true.

What's the final score? And what does it mean?  I'll give my view in my next post...

[Simoni]

Although most of the points made were true in my case and in my marriage, I believe it is an artifact of the woman, and not just because she is slavic.

Some of it is absolutely correct-- like attention to dress and looks.  But the religious stuff is not true, IMHO, and as the article suggests, should be something you talk about with your gf you are serious about her. The key here is compatibility-- if religion is important to you, find a girl who feels the same way. And if it's important to her, you had better be ready to convert to her point of view.

I'm a little surprised by my answers here.  I am the guy who always defends American women and get upset with the guys who knock them.  So I am not the one to proclaim that FSUW make better wives than American women.

But in this case-- a mere sample of one -- I find these statement to be mostly true.

But guys be aware -- every girl is unique, and you should not believe that all FSUW are like the stereotypes presented here.

[Daveman]

Simoni,
Thank you for that point by point break down and comparisons to your wife.  It makes a world of difference to have real examples.

Although most of the points made were true in my case and in my marriage, I believe it is an artifact of the woman, and not just because she is slavic.

Some of it is absolutely correct-- like attention to dress and looks.  But the religious stuff is not true, IMHO, and as the article suggests, should be something you talk to with and gf you are serious about. The key here is computability-- if religion is important to you, find a girl who feels the same way. And if it's important to her, you had better be ready to convert to her point of view.

I'm a little surprised by my answers here.  I am the guy who always defends American women and get upset with the guys who knock them.  So I am not the one to proclaim that FSUW make better wives than American women.

But in this case-- a mere sample of one -- I find these statement to be mostly true.

But guys be aware -- every girl is unique, and you should not believe that all FSUW are like the stereotypes presented here.

Excellent addition.  While I'm not married, I've had four serious relationships.. and really, while there are similarities between all four, they were also very different in some way which would make each one compare to the original post in slightly different ways.

Two quick examples:
All four were truly fabulous in the kitchen.  At least to my culinary amazement.

Fashion:
Two were very into fashion and almost always immaculately dressed, even for a simple 20 minute excursion to the supermarket (for them, there was no such thing as a simple excursion... if it meant leaving the flat, it meant an hour at least of preparation)

The other two were well dressed, but did have that same fashion/make-up bug.  "Bluejean girls" are the best description I can think of, though not quite the same as here.

[Mir]

I am the guy who always defends American women and get upset with the guys who knock them.

Consodering that you made a lot of effort to find a non-American spouse perhaps subconsciously you feel that FSU women are better

The truth is rarely pure and never simple(Oscar Wild)

[dokrog]

Greetings Ambach,

Having been married to a Russian woman for 9 years now and having associated with hundreds of other (can't speak for Ukraine) I'll offer my insights as Simoni did.


 Majority of Slavonic women have the reputation of good wives. General characteristic for them is that they are loving, tender and kind with their husbands.

>I have to break this first part down. There are differences. They can be loving, tender and kind with their husbands.That really depends on if your treating them as they feel they need to be treated of course. If your not, their not. Example: If I don't get my honey-do list done when SHE wants it done (whether realistic or not) then her attitude changes almost instantly. You have to learn to ignore the BS and move on, she'll get over it. You also need to keep your word. She will remember everything. You keep your word your golden and she'll treat you very good indeed. Above average from AW I would say after a years marriage. <

Also they are considered as good and caring mothers.

>Absolutely!! Hands down correct! During the school year my wife spends hours with my son every night if he needs it, helping him with his homework. She is extrememly intelligent and her math is at calc 1 level as is mine but the difference is she is supremely patient with him. It's her job to make sure our children are successful. She says that she teaches what she knows and I teach what I know and to show love and understanding. <

Their husbands can expect good home made meal, clan house, and good looking woman that serves the table. Do you want to have all these?

>Hmmm. My wife Like Simoni's is a below average cook. If she cooks it will be something she's familiar with and she's fond of slightly burning fried potatoes. I prefer them a slightly crispy amber which is how I cook them and is also how our kids like them. Left to her our cuisine would consist of maybe a dozen dishes. So I do most of the cooking. She is always immaculate however when we go out and generally around the house. She always does her hair and makeup even to run to the gas station for gas when the price drops...The house. Not a good housekeeper that's for sure. Is quite willing to scatter her clothes all over the bedroom until wash day. Only take a second to pick them up so I never say a word. Why? She always wears nice clothes though and is never ever slovenly. Never in 10 years. She is always experimenting with new makeup also.

I've found most Russian women under the age of 30 or 35 to be similar.<


The difference between Slavonic and western women is that the latter are more career-oriented and more emancipated. Slavonic women have saved the natural destination of a woman in this world.

>Uhm NO. Absolutely NOT! That is a fantasy. My wife is very career oriented towards our business and the success of the family and her own success. She is her own person and wants to be successful out of the home and not just in it. As are just about every Russian woman i've ever met.<


Those men who choose to marry Slavonic women have more chances to have happy marriage. 

>Well that really depends on your personality, your character and what you want in life in a mate I think.<


 You never won’t be embarrassed the way your lady looks.

>Absolutely true for all of them.<


Generally Russian and Ukrainian girls and women are slim. They never had chance to use too much synthetic fast food which is good. Other women use public transport and are active.

>WEll it helps that they walk 5km a day on average also. smiles. My wife does not walk daily but she does watch her diet. When we married she was 5'1" 98 lbs. After 2 children she's 106 lbs. Looses the weight from childbirth within weeks while still maintaining a good milk supply (sorry if that offends anyone but most russian women i've met firmly believe in breast feeding for good brain and character development). It's been repeatidly explained to me that it takes skill to have a correct diet to lose weight AND maintain nourishing milk. I get squimish at the thought personally. <

They like reading and knowing about all news in fashion, make-up, food, beauty, health industries.
They do not do it only to attract men, but they also believe that every woman has to stay a woman. Let’s say so – it is duty of every woman – to have a good look.
Slavonic girls and young ladies look very good and fresh.

>Absolutely true all of that.<


Besides many of them learn sewing or knitting from the very childhood because these skills are thought to be of a great demand and besides this will be helpful if you to dress up at minimum expenses.

>Very true also. My wife can crochet the most amazing doilies. Truly intricate. Every Russian women I met has some skill along those lines. knitting, sewing etc.<


Russian and Ukrainian women and religion
We would like to focus your attention here on Ukrainian women’s attitude to religion. As you probably know most of them practice orthodox. Majority of Ukranian women are  religious. Usually they attend church on greatest religious holidays like Christmas, Epiphany, Easter. This comes probably from the sphere they were brought up in childhood in FSU.

>In my experience, most russian women don't really think about religion. They will go the the major masses or events though and consider it a duty (some of them).<

Hope this helps.

[Misha]

Their husbands can expect good home made meal, clan house, and good looking woman that serves the table. Do you want to have all these?

I wish I had all of that   Seriously, I cook, my wife cooks, we pretty much split the housework. Some meals she serves, with others I serve.

Generally Russian and Ukrainian girls and women are slim.

Generally, yes, but there are exceptions.

Many of them keep a diet

Some will put their husbands on a diet  

They like reading and knowing about all news in fashion, make-up, food, beauty, health industries.

My wife hasn't read anything about any of the above in the past three years.

Slavonic girls and young ladies look very good and fresh.

Some do, some, well, don't.

Besides many of them learn sewing or knitting from the very childhood because these skills are thought to be of a great demand and besides this will be helpful if you to dress up at minimum expenses.

Depends on the woman and her family.

As you probably know most of them practice orthodox.

Increasingly, many are now baptized. Practicing however, is quite another thing.

The fact of the matter is that with any generalization there will be exceptions. The only way you will know is by getting to know a woman individually.

[dokrog]

If you want negatives on Russian women then here's a few. Bear in mind this is a generalization and not accurate for every single Russian woman of course.

They like to argue. They absolutely HATE being wrong. Most of them really can't cook except for their favorite dishes and even then only so so. Even the babushka's. Pastries? They can make those of course and delicious ones at that.

90% of them at least want a strong man so they will test you. They will act dominate once secure in the relationship unless you take that from them, and you better. Because if you don't the arguments really begin. Most of them really want an equal relationship on their terms like they were raised only better. What this means is that they expect you to make most of the decisions, even if there wrong. The quickest way to get one to act dominate with you is to constantly ask her what she wants to do. If she want's to do something that you don't suggest she'll tell you quickly. At the same time she'll want to be her own person making her own decisions. A lot of them will be family oriented for instance. If she has a teaching method for homework for your children go with it! Don't argue even if you were raised different.

On the plus side most of them are frugal. She will cut out most of your extra spending and unless you are rich you had better be able to justify that 4th deer rifle because if you can't the argument will begin instantly.

There are more examples. Ask if your interested.

[dokrog]

The same time people believe in the world beyond and its power: they are afraid of hypnotists, witches.. Not all of them.  But some people are.

I almost forgot this part. Most Russian women I know are very superstitious. Especially from the villages like my wife. She does indeed believe in witches and fortune tellers and if yours does you had better keep a straight face. Most from the big cities discount it but secretly wonder and half believe that there is truth there.

[kievstar]

Hi Ambach,

My wife is an excellent cook and loves to cook.  She can cook Georgian, Ukraine, Russian, Italian, French, etc.  She likes to clean house and decorate.

Regarding her appearance she is always wearing stylish clothes (some she makes) inside and outside the house.  She also makes sure I am stylish as well.  she goes to the gym numerous times a week.

She has several advanced degrees in various fields of study

She believes in God but hates going to church and church weddings.  This is like most Eastern Ukraine people I know.  I hate going to church as well.

But she likes a very strong man and since her English is good now she would walk all over most AM or Europe men.  She knew no English when I met her and now she speaks several thousand words in perfect grammar with no issues.

She also knows I am the man of the house and should make the money and make the decisions.  But she will argue and when she starts to argue I change the subject as by proving to her that I am right does not help.  But she is a very sweet girl and we have argued maybe 3 times in one year and the arguments were done in 1 minute.  One argument was that I told her to quit buying me expensive gifts, another was over a misunderstanding of a gold phone, and another was she was jealous of the RW on vacation hitting on me.

Regarding career orientated.  I have to disagree with Simoni and the others.  I find this to be true with agency girls.  The ones who speak English very well are very career orientated and seek a western man as it is easier for them to work and make more money in a foreign country.  There motivation is find a husband they love but deep down they know a country like USA makes it easy for them to have a career and get paid well for it. The ones in the agencies who do not speak English well are more old fashioned.  They will work if the family needs to but not very important to them.  I dated two girls longterm who spoke little English but 95% plus girls I met were fluent English and within minutes I could break through them and realize career in a western country very important to them.  Nothing wrong with them but in Ukraine majority of the fluent English speakers in agencies put a high emphasis on career.  Girls in Russia I have no idea, only applies to Ukraine.

[JR]

I read the same agency non-sense 15 years ago. You just have to keep saying to yourself, "I want to believe" over and over LOL!

There are good ones and there are bad ones....

[dokrog]

yep. And that sums it up nicely. Thank you JR.

[Aloe]

The ones who speak English very well are very career orientated and seek a western man as it is easier for them to work and make more money in a foreign country.  There motivation is find a husband they love but deep down they know a country like USA makes it easy for them to have a career and get paid well for it. The ones in the agencies who do not speak English well are more old fashioned.  They will work if the family needs to but not very important to them.  I dated two girls longterm who spoke little English but 95% plus girls I met were fluent English and within minutes I could break through them and realize career in a western country very important to them.  Nothing wrong with them but in Ukraine majority of the fluent English speakers in agencies put a high emphasis on career.  Girls in Russia I have no idea, only applies to Ukraine.

i speak english, and i'd be more than happy to not have any career whatsoever if i could afford it and i definitely didn't seek a foreign guy to get a career

[I/O]

Haven't read the thread, saw the first 3 lines of this and thought it looked like fun.

If you as a Westerner marry a Slavonic woman,  in most likelihood you will spend the rest of your life with a lady from different culture, speaking other strange language, having another mentality.

Truth.

They behave and understand things from their own point of view

The hell yeah!!!

Majority of Slavonic women have the reputation of good wives. General characteristic for them is that they are loving, tender and kind with their husbands. Also they are considered as good and caring mothers. Their husbands can expect good home made meal, clan house, and good looking woman that serves the table.

Largely crap!!

Do you want to have all these?

All of what? Steaming heaps? Nahhhhhhh

The difference between Slavonic and western women is that the latter are more career-oriented and more emancipated.

Oh yeah? Coulda fooled me! What's with all the Russian women on mini buses at rush hour in the morning, just before 9.00 am? Taking their "better loved" kids to childcare or Babushka's house? Uh Uh, they did that earlier so they would get to work on time and the boss wouldn't have an excuse to hit on them if they want to keep their job.

Slavonic women have saved the natural destination of a woman in this world.

And that destination would be where? Under the body of some aging, sweating, grunting western punter whilst she waits her G.C., P.R. (you add whatever status fits your country)?

Those men who choose to marry Slavonic women have more chances to have happy marriage.

Then why do something like 70% of Russian (The largest single population in the FSU) marriages end in divorce? Maybe it's all those terrible Russian men? Who would suggest that? Couldn't be a Russian woman because she would be too busy "Serving the table" to think of such a thing.

Attitude to clothing

They sure have!!! Buy as much as you can get and then some.

You will be amazed they way Slavonic woman will dressed at first appointment. She will look brilliant. For her it is special occasion- she has a date with a man, who possibly will be her husband in the future.

Future husband? Like the bloke she kissed goodbye at the airport 2 hours ago "might" have been her future husband also as could have been, maybe still could be, her live in boyfriend.

They pay more attention to appearance and cloth than women from Europe and western women.

Yep, they buy more clothes.

Even if she goes for shopping, no matter what kind of vehicle she uses: bus or own car she will have a good look. You would rarely meet Russian or Ukrainian woman wearing shapeless T-shirts or loose cloth.

What's the vehicle got to do with it? I guess if she has an X6 she can travel to more shops in a shorter time?

They are very demanding

LOL, close!

They know how to take care of themselves.

Closer.

You never won’t be embarrassed the way your lady looks.

Wait till you see how she "looks" at the ticket seller when she gets into a p!ss!ng match over which train goes where at what time! You'll be "looking" for an escape route!! (BTW, if you read the quote as written, its a stark warning)
 

Generally Russian and Ukrainian girls and women are slim.

Yeah, Mrs I/O tries to sell that line on me sometimes too and it is BS. Walk down Nevsky Prospekt and take a look at some of the arses. Granted there is not the numbers quantity of lard we see elsewhere but St P (as has every other Russian city) sure has its share of chair covers and if it were a "weight for age" horse race, Russia would hold her own well enough.

They never had chance to use too much synthetic fast food which is good.

Oh yeah? How the hell did Micky D's get such a following in Russia? I didn't notice Baba behind the counter selling fresh strawberries from the dacha.

On the contrary they always made food at home.

Yeah, when Babushka didn't cook and bring it over for them while they were at work..........................

Nowadays there are many women who drive cars but the same time they go to gym.

Go the the gym at the same time as driving their car? The only "gymnastics" I saw going on in a car in Russia was when the car was neither going forward or back, certainly not being driven. It was bouncing up and down somewhat. Can't imagine why at 1.30 am behind the apartment building. :noidea:

Other women use public transport and are active.

You NEED to be active to use the public transport.

In general Slavonic women pay more attention to make-up and clothing than women in other countries.

A percentage of those between 15 and 50 do. Outside that group it is anyone's lucky dip.  

Many of them keep a diet and do sports or dancing to stay fit.

Yeah, a diet of chocolate and candy for breakfast and nothing for the rest of the day. I guess that works.
 

They like reading and knowing about all news in fashion, make-up, food, beauty, health industries.

Translated, your future Ex is likely to buy any Cosmo, Fashion week and every other BS girly publication just the same as her western sisters do. The difference being, for the most part YOU wont be able to read it because it is written in Russian.
 

They do not do it only to attract men, but they also believe that every woman has to stay a woman. Let’s say so – it is duty of every woman – to have a good look.

Yep, they'll have a "good look" at you and quite a few other punters, local and foreign before they pin a tail on their donkey.

Slavonic girls and young ladies look very good and fresh.

As Hank Williams said, "They ain't got wings or halos, but they sure look goorrrrd to me".
 

Besides many of them learn sewing or knitting from the very childhood because these skills are thought to be of a great demand and besides this will be helpful if you to dress up at minimum expenses.

Half the under 30's crowd in Russia couldn't sew a button on a shirt. That's a crock. Almost every thing is made in China and they buy it by the mini bus load. "Muskva Skin" is the battle cry around most of the markets when you glance at a jacket or boots. Problem is you need to watch you don't get flattened by the next container load arriving from Beijing while Baba is trying to argue another 50 roubles out of you.

As you probably know most of them practice orthodox.

They don't "practice", they ARE and most haven't a clue why.

they follow Bible postulates – do not kill, of steal, etc.

'scuse I..!! Just spat my coffee across the keyboard.

Generally speaking, the general thrust of the article is, hmm, what's that Russian saying about hanging warm noodles on my ears, aka handing me BS. Russian women are this and Russian women are that and they do this or that and smell this way or that way. Gawd, I'd like the writer to check out the car yards for me next time I am buying one. Now there is a business idea, maybe someone can provide the service of tossing these girls up on the workshop hoist to check the underside is still in working condition and doesn't need an oil change before you part up with your cash. See, there ain't no return policy. It ain't the west ya know.

I/O

[GoodOlBoy]

See, there ain't no return policy.

You might want to talk to "Muddy" about that. 

USCIS.......90 Day's and then Ship Her Back Guarantee!  :evil:


GOB

[dokrog]

OMG. I'm still laughing after 15 minutes. OK OK. Tons of truth in that one. LOL. Still laughing can't type for squat.

[dokrog]

Jesus. Still laughing. You brought back Way too many memories in too short a period of time. LOL

[ambach123]

I am planning my next meeting in the second week of August. I have met her two times before, for ten days each, and this is the third meeting. We have known each other for about one year.
She is a relatively simple and modest girl from a small town or " village" ; as they say. Speaks fairly good English, a lot of it she learned talking to me, surprisingly well informed and intelligent. She is slim and attractive but not model type, and that was by my choice. I did get to know and met with some model type RW,  but I passed on them.
She never asked for one dime, when I offered for her fare, she refused.

I know that K-1 is a long process, and I also know that only half of them even get to the married state; therefore I am subdued in my optimism.

In her case I think she would like it here very much, but I cannot take that for granted; she does not know how to drive; well she would have to learn.

[JR]

I am planning my next meeting in the second week of August. I have met her two times before, for ten days each, and this is the third meeting. We have known each other for about one year.
She is a relatively simple and modest girl from a small town or " village" ; as they say. Speaks fairly good English, a lot of it she learned talking to me, surprisingly well informed and intelligent. She is slim and attractive but not model type, and that was by my choice. I did get to know and met with some model type RW,  but I passed on them.
She never asked for one dime, when I offered for her fare, she refused.

I know that K-1 is a long process, and I also know that only half of them even get to the married state; therefore I am subdued in my optimism.

In her case I think she would like it here very much, but I cannot take that for granted; she does not know how to drive; well she would have to learn.

Keep an open mind and try to get beyond whatever is tripping you up. If this is your third trip to see her perhaps you should think about making some kind of commitment to her and work on moving forward. If you have the financial ability (seems like you do) you should bring her here of a period of time, let her see your life and if she can manage to be away from everything she knows and loves. It doesn't have to be on a fiance visa, there are other ways such as work permits, etc.

I wish you every sucess and that if turns out good.

[Sculpto]

Keep an open mind and try to get beyond whatever is tripping you up. If this is your third trip to see her perhaps you should think about making some kind of commitment to her and work on moving forward. If you have the financial ability (seems like you do) you should bring her here of a period of time, let her see your life and if she can manage to be away from everything she knows and loves. It doesn't have to be on a fiance visa, there are other ways such as work permits, etc.

I wish you every sucess and that if turns out good.

If she has a home and a job and some money in the bank she can get the tourist visa.  If Ambach is a gentleman he will pay for her ticket and put some money in her account to show at the embassy just to be sure.

[ambach123]

I searched for about one year, I made four trips, all WOVO. On one trip I divurged and met several women besides the one I went to see.
Here is my impressions in summary.
There are a lot of women available, but finding the right one is like a needle in a haystack.
I avoided those who looked like a model, or showed too much skin in their profiles.
I wanted someone around thirty years old, since I want children. Most model types are under thirty. I limited myself to those who could at least speak some English.
One thing I have noticed, that RW tend to gain weight right after they reach their 30th birthday. How do I know? Some of them showed me their photos from a few years earlier, what a difference! I wanted a slim woman.
One thing I always remembered " Choose a woman who is into you more than you are into her". This is a very sound advice. Often in the relationship I paused just to guage their reaction. I took notice, how quickly they respond to the email, what they write.
It is like walking through a minefield. I came across prodaters, scammers, GCG, you name it. I really hated the prodaters in Kiev, and Kiev seemed to be full of them. I wish someone would have told me to stay clear of Kiev girls.

Is it worth it? Too early for me to answer.

[JR]

Why would you avoid a woman who looks like (or is/was) a model? You might be walking past your needle

The vast majority of women who come to America will gain weight. Too much processed foods. Encourage a healthy lifestyle and eating habits but in the end they are the ones who have to do it. Bugging them about it won't get you anywhere.

I agree completely about the English thing...sheesh, seems so basic. You gotta be able to communicate.

I don't know about the more into thing. It seems to me if the fit is right it should go both ways in a pretty much balanced manner.

At some point you have to ask yourself this "What am I waiting for?"

On the other hand I think Gator took six years and doesn't regret waiting.

All I can say is to keep moving and make sure you are moving forward...