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Re: New to the board, but sort of an "old salt" to this endeavor TR
« Reply #50 on: August 02, 2009, 04:53:20 AM »
Chris59, I have an easy question for you- you're 50 years old by now and what- never married? Why?
Seriously!

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Re: New to the board, but sort of an "old salt" to this endeavor TR
« Reply #51 on: August 02, 2009, 06:00:22 AM »
Chris....Doll raises a good point. It may have been only 7 days to you at the time but, apparently Nina S was a bit prophetic about your intentions as here 8 years later you are back searching again in the FSU after still not being married. It's possible there was something you did or didn't do that tipped your hand. Highly unlikely it was your lack of action at the market although that could have been the last straw. I am not implying this was intentional on your part. You likely had no idea but perhaps Nina S was/is much more acute at spotting a man with less than serious intentions. You mention this lady was at some point back in the picture but, something still fizzled or you probably wouldn't be here now. JMO

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Re: New to the board, but sort of an "old salt" to this endeavor TR
« Reply #52 on: August 02, 2009, 06:22:59 AM »
After all there are people who never get married- looking for the ideal partner or fearing.
For me PERSONALLY 50 years old, never married, not wanting kids (even step children) IS a sign.

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Re: New to the board, but sort of an "old salt" to this endeavor TR
« Reply #53 on: August 02, 2009, 06:36:06 AM »
Nothing about Chris59. I was looking for a  man close to my age, with marriage experience, knowing what kids are about.
All above is important for a woman with kids.

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Re: New to the board, but sort of an "old salt" to this endeavor TR
« Reply #54 on: August 02, 2009, 02:47:31 PM »
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a man with less than serious intentions
This is THE definition I've been looking for- less than serious intentions.
The excitement of playing the game without scoring- just kicking the ball.
 8)
When you score you need to move on and that's too scary.

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Re: New to the board, but sort of an "old salt" to this endeavor TR
« Reply #55 on: August 02, 2009, 07:32:34 PM »
Chris....Doll raises a good point. It may have been only 7 days to you at the time but, apparently Nina S was a bit prophetic about your intentions as here 8 years later you are back searching again in the FSU after still not being married. It's possible there was something you did or didn't do that tipped your hand.

Thank you both for your input. It is appreciated. However, I have to stand my ground, when I say that I had JUST returned to St. Petersburg to spend more time with Nina S. I had previously spent only 5 days with her on my first visit. Now, I had just returned, and its only my second day with Nina S., and she is somewhat less than enthusiastic about my visit. Like I said before, the least we both could have done is wait until this visit is almost over, THEN discuss where both of our feelings, fears, hesitations are. In my opinion, that would be the fairest way to handle this situation. Afterall, I had just given her a gold bracelet that very evening. Ok, so it wasn't an engagement ring, but I still think that 2 people need to spend quality time together, to get a feel of who each other really is. At that moment, my attention belonged solely to Nina S.,....it was she that went home bothered by something, that she didn't want to talk about.

Nothing about Chris59. I was looking for a  man close to my age, with marriage experience, knowing what kids are about.
All above is important for a woman with kids.

Ok, I'll buy that! I can certainly understand that a woman with a child would probably prefer a man who understands something about marriage and family life. Seems only natural. In an earlier post of mine, I did mention that a woman who had not been married, or have children, would probably be more of an ideal situation for me. I don't ever recall stating anything that I did not want anything to do with children or step children, only that a woman with similar experiences closer to my own would be a better situation for me.

After all there are people who never get married- looking for the ideal partner or fearing.
For me PERSONALLY 50 years old, never married, not wanting kids (even step children) IS a sign.

Nina S. and I never got the opportunity to discuss hers and her sons future. He was 18, and attending school at the Technological Institute in St. Petersurg. From what I learned about him, he was happy in Russia, and if given the choice of moving with his mother to another country,...well, I think the entire subject was way too premature to discuss at that time. Again, I had just returned to St. Petersburg, and some people seem to be crucifying me for not proposing to her right after I got off the airplane.

NOW, that I am 50 years old, having children of my own is of even less importance, and even less practical than it was then. If I had children now, I'd almost be 70 by the time they went to college. Believe it or not, there ARE women out there close to my own age, who have grown children, and do not wish to have, or shouldn't attempt to have any more children of their own. Someone like that would still be a better match for me at this point in my life.

Chris59, I have an easy question for you- you're 50 years old by now and what- never married? Why?
Seriously!

Doll,...That might be an easy question to ask, but it is not that easy to answer. Seriously! I mean who really knows why they do or do not get married? For me personally, there may be many reasons, but I will use a subsequent statement that you made:
Doll stated: "After all there are people who never get married- looking for the ideal partner or fearing."

You may have answered your own question for me. I believe that I am looking for the ideal partner. I believe that marriage is something to be taken seriously. It's also too easy "fearing" the what ifs. People get married for any number of reasons,...but I will ONLY get married when I have absolutely fallen in love with someone. I think too many people get married for the wrong reasons, and the increasing divorce statistics over the past several decades I think backs me up on that.

This is THE definition I've been looking for- less than serious intentions.
The excitement of playing the game without scoring- just kicking the ball.
 8)When you score you need to move on and that's too scary.

Now, I don't agree with this at all! You're getting way ahead of yourself by making a statement like that. As I've said too many times already, I had just returned to spend another week with Nina S. I don't see how anybody, not even Nostradamus himself could've determined "less than serious intentions" on the second day of my return visit.

To put it into futbol terminology, that crack about "scoring" should earn you a yellow card. In fact, when my story continues, you will eventually learn that I later declined an invitation from Nina S., as she wanted to play a game, and implied that the "goal" was unattended, and I could have a "free kick." You make it sound as if I traveled there just for sex. Did I have relations with her when I was there? On my first visit, yes I did, but she was equally the aggressor. On my second trip, I did not touch her, and I declined to take advantage of her when she made such an offer.

On a lighter note,....good conversation folks! Despite that we don't necessarily agree on everything, I do value the input from others, and I am trying to find value in all of it. I think that based on what I have written, some people are getting ahead of the story, and are speculating about what they think happened. The story does take a bit of a strange twist later on........

What it all boils down to for me is,....I will get married when I eventually find the person that I can love and trust unconditionally, and not sooner. Things like that take time, and cannot be formulated in 7 days, or barely even in 8 months. Those of you who travel to the FSU, meet a woman and come home engaged within a week,...don't have much respect from me.  I am not desperate to get married,....but the right woman CAN change that. Regardless of others' opinions, I will continue to remain cautious within this arena.

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Re: New to the board, but sort of an "old salt" to this endeavor TR
« Reply #56 on: August 02, 2009, 09:57:54 PM »
Hmmm, you know I was in your corner and I still love the T/R, GREAT JOB! But Doll is shaking the tree. At first her posts were buggin me and I wanted to tell her to "Get lost." But then she brings up some very valid points. Her delivery is rather stark and "In your face" but after reading all she had to say I must admit she picked up on a few things a lot quicker than I did.

You're waiting to find someone you can love. Do you know what love is? Seriously, do you? I would tell people I did but in all honesty it was my daughter who taught how to love unconditionally. I don't think there is much wrong with the women you are meeting. I think the log jam is on your end. I think you're afraid to move forward. Or you're waiting for something you don't understand, namely love. There are quality women everywhere. You sound like a decent, respectable man. You could have been married many times. I am wondering how many good ones you let go.

Unconditional trust? Bah! You either trust them or you don't. If they prove themselves unworthy of your trust then reevaluate. You can only trust someone to be who they are.

I am wondering something. I won't marry a smoker either so we're on the same page there. But in all the time you were with and or writing to Nina, did you tell her you won't marry a smoker?

You seriously need to figure yourself out and move forward. If you need a lot of face time, date in your own back Yard. If you couldn't work out the smoking deal in eight months you're not going to marry a woman from the FSU.




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Re: New to the board, but sort of an "old salt" to this endeavor TR
« Reply #57 on: August 03, 2009, 02:14:23 AM »

   I really enjoyed the story and am impressed by the style of writing and at the same time feel the writing style descibes you in greater detail than many may see. I feel Jollyrats see's it now as does Doll.


   To live a full life one must take risks and possibly make a "leap of faith". It may seem silly for me to say this but why not try marriage as a lifestyle?


   I have a few friends who are now forty years old and never married. I can see them in a certain light of no experience in life in these matters. Both of these friends have no children and you can see this easily if you look and talk with them. Kinda reminds me of Steve Martin the actor who plays a father in various movies but never had any. He was married for 7 years but it was a marriage of little interest it seems. Robin Williams comes to mind as one who is a great actor and such. he fits into some of these categories.


   My friends are great people and would give you the shirt off their back but at the age they are it's evident that they did not take the life experience and when they look around they see clearly what they cannot even attempt to grasp in understanding of these subjects. Steve Martin seems to sum it up best as one who may be able to act it out but refused to live it.


 

  Man o Man I really enjoyed your story and hope you can expand on yourself and life experiences. Please expand on your golas and what you want in a relationship. Maybe kids at fifty are a good idea and marriage fits in well with that too.???






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Re: New to the board, but sort of an "old salt" to this endeavor TR
« Reply #58 on: August 03, 2009, 04:02:35 AM »
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I don't see how anybody, not even Nostradamus himself could've determined "less than serious intentions" on the second day of my return visit.
One does not have to be Nostradamus to determine "less than serious"- just " Russian search" alone took 8 years plus a couple of years before.
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Re: New to the board, but sort of an "old salt" to this endeavor TR
« Reply #59 on: August 03, 2009, 04:28:53 AM »
My older son had been dating a girl for 4 years when I finally talked to him.
Since my sons always were/are sincere to me he said that he was not sure he could stand the commitment to be a husband - too much of responsibility.
We had a long talk that was tough for both of us.
 "Son, just  do it and you will see it will work out"
I knew he feared and hoped he would get it over.
He did, it worked.

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Re: New to the board, but sort of an "old salt" to this endeavor TR
« Reply #60 on: August 03, 2009, 06:25:20 AM »
One does not have to be Nostradamus to determine "less than serious"- just " Russian search" alone took 8 years plus a couple of years before.

Again, that is the point I am trying to make. You are judging me based on what you know about me today. Essentially, you are saying, since it is now 8 years later, and you haven't married, you were not serious back in 2002, which is a totally unfair judgement based upon what I have written so far. 

My older son had been dating a girl for 4 years when I finally talked to him.
Since my sons always were/are sincere to me he said that he was not sure he could stand the commitment to be a husband - too much of responsibility.
We had a long talk that was tough for both of us.
 "Son, just  do it and you will see it will work out"
I knew he feared and hoped he would get it over.
He did, it worked.

This is good advice from a mother, and its quite possible that I feel much like your son did. My personal situation is very different. My mother dumped my father when I was 4 years old. She never had anything good to say about him. "He's a drunk, he's a gambler, he doesn't know how to make any money...". During my childhood, I only saw my father a few times. I never once got the impression that he was a bad guy. I have visited him more over the last 10-15 years, than I did over the first 35 years of my life, and I have grown to love and respect my father, even though he had almost no influence in my life. My mother is absolutely wicked with vengeance towards him.

So, in a sense, I may be a bit jaded when it comes to love and marriage. That may help explain why I approach marriage a bit more cautiously than some. I never had many heart-to-heart talks from my mother about how good love and marriage can be. She never did re-marry, and she was a beautiful woman back in her day. So Doll,....I can certainly appreciate what you have told us about your son. I wish that I had some of the counseling that you gave your son. Maybe in your own way, you are trying to counsel me here,...but again, it's much easier to draw conclusions about my trip report from 2002, based upon what you know about me today. True,....I have not married 8 years later, but when I first traveled to St. Petersburg back in 2001-2002, I had the best of intentions.

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Re: New to the board, but sort of an "old salt" to this endeavor TR
« Reply #61 on: August 03, 2009, 07:34:34 AM »
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Again, that is the point I am trying to make. You are judging me based on what you know about me today. Essentially, you are saying, since it is now 8 years later, and you haven't married, you were not serious back in 2002, which is a totally unfair judgment based upon what I have written so far.
Agree

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Re: New to the board, but sort of an "old salt" to this endeavor TR
« Reply #62 on: August 03, 2009, 11:53:36 AM »
Hmmm, you know I was in your corner and I still love the T/R, GREAT JOB! But Doll is shaking the tree. At first her posts were buggin me and I wanted to tell her to "Get lost." But then she brings up some very valid points.

I'm ok with Doll,....and she does bring up some very valid points, but the points she's making now are mostly valid based upon where I stand today, and what she knows about me 8 years later. Believe me, it takes a lot of courage to come here and spill my story the way I'm doing. By the time I'm through, I'm probably going to have a lot more detractors on my back, than just Doll. There are many lessons to be learned from my experiences, and I'm not even saying that I did everything swiftly, correctly, and most importantly, decisively.

You're waiting to find someone you can love. Do you know what love is? Seriously, do you? I don't think there is much wrong with the women you are meeting. I think the log jam is on your end. I think you're afraid to move forward. Or you're waiting for something you don't understand, namely love.  You could have been married many times. I am wondering how many good ones you let go. You either trust them or you don't. If they prove themselves unworthy of your trust then reevaluate.


Do I know what love is? Does anybody really know what love is? Hang on, I'll look up the definition in my Funk & Wagnals Encyclopedia..... Wasn't there a song by "Foreigner", that went something like this:
o/~  o/~  o/~  o/~
I wanna know what love is, lets talk about love
I want you to show me, I wanna feel it too
I wanna feel what love is, I want to feel it too
And I know and I know, I know you can show me
Show me love is real, yeah
I wanna know what love is...
o/~  o/~  o/~  o/~

Everybody has their own interpretation on what love is. I've always been of the opinion, that when true love comes along, you will know it. I've been in several relationships in my life, where I've often asked myself,....gee, is this really what love is? If so, then I sure didn't feel like it was true love to me, and if it was, then love was over-rated in my book. Just so you people know that I'm not some kind of player, prior to my trip(s) to the FSU, you could count all the serious relationships I'd ever had, one one hand.

So, yes, the "log jam" IS on my end. It can be very difficult to move forward when you have some doubts and hesitations about the relationship, and not only whether the relationship would be good for you, BUT will the relationship be good for HER too?! I am not so selfish to just think of myself and my needs when I established a friendship with several ladies from the FSU. The relationship and circumstances have to work for the ladies too, and their family members, whether the family is coming along or staying in Russia.

But in all the time you were with and or writing to Nina, did you tell her you won't marry a smoker? If you couldn't work out the smoking deal in eight months you're not going to marry a woman from the FSU.

I did,....mostly via e-mail and numerous times. Nina S. had originally mentioned to me that she smokes "some",...and on my first visit of only 5 days, she did her best to hide her smoking, and I only saw her smoking a minimal number of times (once or twice daily, maybe). She also masked her breath with mints that kept the fragrance of nicotine out of mind. Maybe that explained her perceived moodiness during my first trip.

When I returned to Russia for only my second visit, Nina S. had changed, and that forced me to re-evaluate. Her attitude had changed by only the second day, and she was smoking much more than she had previously. So sure, her smoking concerned me a bit, but the biggest factor for me though was her attitude change.

You seriously need to figure yourself out and move forward. If you need a lot of face time, date in your own back Yard.

This is one of the main points of my trip report(s). My experiences are intended for those who may still be considering a trip(s) to the FSU. From what I understand, there are many men who write, but NEVER even bother going over. In my opinion, unless they state upfront that they are just looking for pen-pals, those guys are acting even more irresponsibly and indecisively than I did. Afterall, I DID travel to Russia 4 times, and met 3 women. 1 which was ruled-out almost immediately, but the other 2 far exceeded my expectations, regardless of my hesitations.








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Re: New to the board, but sort of an "old salt" to this endeavor TR
« Reply #63 on: August 03, 2009, 08:24:27 PM »
Good responses.
There is a glitche in my writing here that won't let me go beyond the bottom of the original screen so my posts are limited.
One thing I wanted to comment on but ran out of space was this: You made a comment that you are waiting for your "ideal" woman.
You wait in vain. She doesn't exist. She is a phigmant of your imagination and sooner or later you're going to wake up to this realization: you are all alone because you chased a ghost. I agree you should not sell yourself short but how many outstanding women have passed your way?
Are you waiting for whats around the corner instead of revelling in what is standing beside you?
Always be a first-rate version of yourself, instead of a second-rate version of somebody else :)

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Re: New to the board, but sort of an "old salt" to this endeavor TR
« Reply #64 on: August 04, 2009, 03:21:41 AM »
This searching for an ideal woman (or man in woman's case) could be
(I said- could be! :D) just the excuse for not wanting to deal with life.
I agree with JR (wow- I agree with JR  :D :D :D!!!)
Come on, kids! Life is both right things  and mistakes (the latter are meant to be corrected).
Не ошибается тот, кто ничего не делает.
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Re: New to the board, but sort of an "old salt" to this endeavor TR
« Reply #65 on: August 04, 2009, 06:57:06 AM »
Good responses.
There is a glitche in my writing here that won't let me go beyond the bottom of the original screen so my posts are limited.

If you have the new version of IE you need to click on the button to the right of the address bar. This is compatability view. Older websights have a few glitches with the new version of IE and this corrects them.

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Re: New to the board, but sort of an "old salt" to this endeavor TR
« Reply #66 on: August 04, 2009, 11:47:29 AM »
This searching for an ideal woman (or man in woman's case) could be
(I said- could be! :D) just the excuse for not wanting to deal with life.
I agree with JR (wow- I agree with JR  :D :D :D!!!)
Come on, kids! Life is both right things  and mistakes (the latter are meant to be corrected).
Не ошибается тот, кто ничего не делает.

Ok, I can accept this! Believe me though, I have plenty of things in life to deal with.
Let me add 1 word to your thought to make it probably more applicable:

Doll said, "just the excuse for not wanting to deal with (married) life".

There, that's better, and could be (I said- could be  :D) possibly more accurate!

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Re: New to the board, but sort of an "old salt" to this endeavor TR
« Reply #67 on: August 04, 2009, 12:36:54 PM »
 
  .......... Let's continue, shall we ...........


   It's late Monday evening, and I have just returned home from a fabulous date with a woman named "Elena". I have only been back to St. Petersburg for 3 days now, and the woman that I really came here to see, has apparently decided that I am not the guy that she wants to be with, and left my apartment last night and didn't care to discuss the situation. All day Monday, I do not believe that she tried to call, but the apartment does not have an answering machine, in case that she did.

   Therefore, I invited to dinner another lady that I had written to to introduce myself. I had previously told her that I would be returning to St. Petersburg, but that I had a budding relationship with another woman, and in all probability I would not be able to meet her. Elena understood this, and wrote, "call if you can, but if you cannot, I will understand"

   Now, some of you readers might not appreciate it that I had contacted "Elena", all-the-while I had an interest in Nina S. That may or may not have been the right thing to do from a moral standpoint. It does prove a point though,....people can change over a period of time, and what may have been good last summer, just may not be right today. What about the guys who take those social tours, and meet hundreds of women, and date many while on a trip to the FSU. That is something that I have never done, as a part of that seems somewhat distasteful, but another part of it seems practical and economical. I chose the WT-VT ("write two, visit two") approach, but in all honesty, if Nina S. had not left that night, I would have never called Elena.

The next morning, my phone rings, and it's Phil, who asked me if I had heard about Nina S. I said that I had not heard from her. She must've called Phil and Nina R., because Phil told me that Nina S. almost had to go to the hospital. "The hospital?!", I said, "what is it?",.....Phil replied, "it's a big white building with patients, but that's not important now" (sorry gang, I couldn't resist that old line from the movie "Airplane" - 1980). Phil actually told me that Nina S. had a bad back problem, and that her son had to give her an injection into her back, otherwise she might've wound-up in the hospital. So, on Monday, the previous day, Nina S. had not felt well.

I was suddenly overcome with guilt, and thought I should give Nina S. a call to see how she's doing. I called and spoke with her son, who does not speak any English. He told me that Nina S. was not home, and had gone to the store. The good news from that conversation was, that Nina S. was at least up and about. So, I waited about an hour, and called back, and Nina S. had arrived back home. The initial conversation went very well, and Nina S. was talking to me and acting like whatever happened on Sunday night never happened. She was laughing and giggling, and just being the Nina S. that I had grown to have feelings for. By now, I am quite confused,...as I have no idea why she is being so nice over the phone. Sunday night she was quite bitter about something, and I did not understand what had caused the 180 degree turn-around. Later in the conversation, she confirmed that her back was "out" on Monday and that she spent most of the entire day in bed. She then asked, "why didn't you call me?" I said to her, "Nina, you walked out of here on Sunday night an angry woman, I thought you were leaving for good." (or I said something to that effect in Russian, so that she could understand). I asked Nina S. why she was so seemingly bothered on Sunday. Her response to me was, "it was just little things, and I need to remember that we are different people". By now, my mind is all messed up. I'm feeling a bit of relief, because it appears as if Nina S. has returned to "normal". Then again, I'm also feeling quite a bit guilty because I went out with Elena last night, had a great time, and she is expecting to see me again. "Ahh, geez,....what the heck have I gotten myself into now"!?


 ............. To Be Continued ..............
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Re: New to the board, but sort of an "old salt" to this endeavor TR
« Reply #68 on: August 04, 2009, 01:32:01 PM »
Chris, when did you write this report? How? Made notes every night?
So many details!

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Re: New to the board, but sort of an "old salt" to this endeavor TR
« Reply #69 on: August 04, 2009, 11:01:51 PM »
Doll,

On my first 2 trips to St. Petersburg, I kept a log to help me remember what I did each day. Later, upon arriving home, I was able to write complete trip reports for the first 2 trips. I have since deleted trip report #2, but I have read them so many times, that it is not difficult to remember what I did each day.

Also, both trips were so short, about a week each, it is not that difficult to remember. On my last 2 trips to St. Petersburg, I did not keep notes or write a report. By that time, I had chosen 1 lady and dedicated my entire trip(s) to her.

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Re: New to the board, but sort of an "old salt" to this endeavor TR
« Reply #70 on: August 04, 2009, 11:03:22 PM »

   Life is so short and I am getting the feeling this read is one of those that looks back to the past rather than forward to the future. Good read indeed and full of "details". It's worth reading more than once but has it been written and edited over 12 times? I really like the story and see the vision from you and your creation.


   Sometimes we can be good people and agree to be criticized and still  maintain a friendly attitude but sometimes our "lives" are void of experience in many matters but it's never too late to experience things and have a life fuller than half glass.


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Re: New to the board, but sort of an "old salt" to this endeavor TR
« Reply #71 on: August 04, 2009, 11:09:33 PM »
Chris, when did you write this report? How? Made notes every night?
So many details!
In all the time I have known Chris I have learned that there are three things that can be counted upon:

1) He does not travel lightly.

2) He is the master of the manifesto.  Back when I was using dial-up for internet access I had more than one 'timeout' happen while I was waiting for his emails (which contained nothing but text!) to load.

3) He is extremely cautious when it comes to commitment because he IS sincere and takes marriage very seriously.  IMO this is the very definition of what a RW means when she says she seeks someone who is 'careful'.  Impulsive Chris is not.  
Don't worry about avoiding temptation. . as you grow older, it will avoid you.-- Winston Churchill

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Re: New to the board, but sort of an "old salt" to this endeavor TR
« Reply #72 on: August 04, 2009, 11:41:34 PM »
Thanks Phil and Makkin for the comments.

Yeah, I guess I am careful to a fault. I can admit, I have other issues as well when it comes to thinking about making a committment. You might even say that I'm a bit of a pessimist when it comes to life. I haven't caught many breaks in life, and always tend to see things in a less-than-optimistic point of view. That's just me. :::shrugs:::

While this portion of the report does focus more on the past, by the time we get to the end (in the year 2510), there will be some focus on the present and the future as well. Afterall, if I am to move forward personally, I will have to analyze the past, and see what I can and should do differently to improve myself.

I would like to preface the next segment by reiterating that,...I do not consider myself Don Juan or even Don Ho,....Don Knotts maybe, as I used to be skinny like Barney Fife. I do not consider myself a womanizer, a two-timer, a playboy or anything of the sort. I wrote and visited 2 women in St. Petersburg, Russia, and it has now gotten me into a bind. I am not comfortable with this situation at this point of my story at all. It is not who I am, and I am completely out of my element.

Any of you guys who go over, only you can determine what the best method of contacting ladies is for you. I am a very consciencious guy and I do not want to hurt anybodys feelings. The situation that I am about to find myself in, literally brought a grown man to tears.....

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Re: New to the board, but sort of an "old salt" to this endeavor TR
« Reply #73 on: August 05, 2009, 12:33:50 AM »
  ............. More ...............


During my conversation with Nina S., I asked her if she was well enough to come over for tea or a walk. She said that her back was still a bit sore, but she could come over for a while. The nearest Metro station was Ligovsky Prospekt. This was the station that Nina S. used to depart and arrive to. She said that she would meet me outside Ligovsky Prospekt at 1:30pm. That was still a couple hours away, so I had plenty of time to get ready, and ponder how I was going to tell her that I had seen another lady the night before.

Phil called again, and told me that Elena had called Nina R. and wanted to take me to the  Mariinsky Theatre on Wednesday night. If I agreed to that, she would pick-up the tickets. The Mariinsky Theatre is the grand-daddy theatre of them all in St. Petersburg. It has about 4 or 5 tiers of balconies, and I had only seen photographs of the place. I told Phil that I would go, and to relay to Elena that it was a go.

You guys might be wondering why Nina R. and Phil seem to be getting all the calls instead of me. Back in 2002, I didn't have an Int'l. capable cell phone, and I don't know if I had the apartment phone numer written down anywhere. However, Nina R. had delivered flowers to all my lady contacts, and had befriended every one of them. So maybe the ladies felt more comfortable calling Nina R. At least that's how I seem to remember that situation.

I arrived outside of Ligovsky Prospekt Metro station at about 1:15pm, as I do not want Nina S. to have to wait for me in case she arrives before I do. This metro station has a flower kiosk outside, as well as several small merchandise kiosks. So, the outside of the station is a bit more lively than most of the others that I have seen. I purchased several red roses for Nina S. and stood outside on the sidewalk area waiting for Nina S. I was amused at the different characters that passed by, and what was going on outside the station. While kind of just pacing around the entrance to the metro station, I was approached by a couple people looking for spare change. I gave them a few rubles, as these guys looked like they could really use it. I had about $150 U.S. in my wallet too, and had heard the stories of the police shaking down unsuspecting tourists, and helping themselves to whatever cash was in your wallet after they search it. I mention this because one of the police paddywagon-mobiles pulled up onto the sidewalk area and stopped literally 10 feet from where I was standing. At that point, I remembered all the trip reports that I had previously read from other guys that got shaken down by the police, and their wallets made considerably lighter, by the policeman's sticky fingers. Several policemen got out of the paddywagon and stood literally within 6 feet of where I was standing. Now, I KNOW that I do not look Russian, as I am a bit more well dressed than most other Russian males in the vicinity. I did not want to walk away, so I just stood there, with bouquet of roses in-hand, and didn't move as 3 or 4  police went about their business, not more than 10 feet away from me. Turns out, they were taking some sorry-looking dude away in the back of the paddywagon. Within a matter of minutes, they had come and gone, and I was still standing right there where I was originally standing. I was relieved that they didn't ask me any questions or bother me in any way. For those of you who have yet to travel to Russia, the police have a right to stop anybody they want for no reason and check your documention papers. I witnessed this on many occasions, but in my 4 trips to Russia, was never personally asked for anything from the police. (except the 300 rubles that Nina S. had me give to the policeman at the Hermitage Museum, when she "negotiated" a much faster entrance into the museum, much to the distaste of the ticket-taking Babushka at the door.).

Nina S. arrived an hour late, and while she looked well, she was walking rather slowly and gingerly. So, I did not rush her. I bought us both an ice cream cone (more like a nutty-buddy) from a street vendor and we sat and ate our ice cream outside the Ligovsky Prospekt Metro station. We took a walk down Ligovsky Prospekt towards Ploschad Vosstaniya, and then towards my apartment. During this entire time, things are pleasant between Nina S. and me,....but they seem a bit awkward, to say the least. So, while things are better than had been on Sunday,...things are still a bit less than what they normally had been.

I invited Nina S. into the apartment for coffee. We made idle chit-chat, and eventually she asked me the question that I was not looking forward to answering, she asked me, "what did you do yesterday"?


 ............. To Be Continued ..................  
« Last Edit: August 05, 2009, 12:41:00 AM by Chris59 »

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Re: New to the board, but sort of an "old salt" to this endeavor TR
« Reply #74 on: August 05, 2009, 01:06:07 AM »
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He is extremely cautious when it comes to commitment
Nnnooooooooooo kidding!
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