Need help in Odessa!!

[Mir]

BillyB

Looks like you have been staying in rather seedy places I must say

[Gator]

Billy and Myrddin,

I never encountered any of this.  

Once a vain old goat left his hair coloring bottle.

[BillyB]

BillyB

Looks like you have been staying in rather seedy places I must say

It can happen anywhere. Even 5 start hotels and high end apartments. Hookers will travel anywhere there's a paying customer. I stayed in an apartment building Khreshatik #25 in Kiev. Ukrainian elite and movie stars lived in that building yet I found no less than 3 strands of long hair on the floor during my stay.  

Gator you may need to see an eye doctor. We aren't always aware of hair laying around but at every crime scene those pros are able to find them. RW are pros too when snooping around your apartment looking for evidence that another female may have left behind.

[JR]

Hey Mike,
Hope things are still going well for you with #2 (Tina wasn't it?) She sounds like the gem your were looking for all along.

Keep us posted.

[GQBlues]

  BillyB, if it's that prevalent and obvious that a visiting WM can easily spot it, then one would think this is such a common occurance in FSU that it can be safely explained.

Of course, if these women are as unreasonable you say they are, IMO, it won't be too hard for me to move along to someone more reasonable, perhaps?

As for Mike, I'm glad you're having good fun this time around. FWIW, you wear your heart far too extended on your sleeves from my POV. You were on the verge of depression not too long ago about #1 then swifter than the Black Sea breeze blowing by, you're now giddy about #2, and this is all in the same week. I hope you understand what I'm trying to say here.

Either way, have a great time and I wish you all best!

btw, I'm with Faux Pas. I would have allowed her to do what she wanted to do for you. 

[Muddy]

Have you had sex with #2 yet?
If she is using delay tactics like waiting until your last night in Odessa, dont go for it

[BillyB]

Of course, if these women are as unreasonable you say they are, IMO, it won't be too hard for me to move along to someone more reasonable, perhaps?

I don't know if unreasonable is the word to use for these ladies. They know what RM are known for and if they have any smarts, they understand many foreign men come to the FSU for fun, not for marriage. Maybe they do trust men but need to verify too.

This forum can have around 60 members online and 80 guests. The main international sex forum out there can have over 600 members online and untold amount of guests. Is it safe to say sex tourists going overseas for women out number the marriage minded guys 10-1?  Most of the women aren't dumb and they aren't going to blindly trust either. The odds are against them in finding a "good man".

Muddy, thanks for bringing up the question of the month.

[Sculpto]

doing his laundry is more symbolic than having sex IMO

[JR]

doing his laundry is more symbolic than having sex IMO

But not nearly as much fun, especially if you're doing one while having the other. "Oh the washing machine!!!!"

[Muddy]

So much bad advice from posters in this topic
She will have more respect for you if you grant her wish and let her wash your clothes, while waiting for your clothes to dry have GOOD sex

[Sculpto]

maybe he can install a keylogger in her washing machine and see if she is washing any other men's clothes.

[Muddy]

He can install the keylogger on her home computer, the keylogger has a feature to email big Mike her activities on her pc and the logs everyday. I dont believe at this time there is a need to activate this feature

[Sculpto]

better put on your fireproof suit Muddy.

[Muddy]

 

[HiTech]

She will fill hurt if you do not let her wash your cloths.

HiTech

[JR]

She will have more respect for you if you grant her wish and let her wash your clothes, while waiting for your clothes to dry have GOOD sex

EXACTLY! On the washing machine ! ! ! ! ! !

[Mir]

The main international sex forum out there can have over 600 members online and untold amount of guests.

And how do you know that?

EXACTLY! On the washing machine

Maybe try in it as well

[kievstar]

What type of places are you guys staying with condoms, oils, etc laying around.  I have stayed in more apartments than 99% of the men on this board and have never seen anything like this.  I guess you pay for what you get.

Billy, Khreshatik #25 if this is where I think it is - porn stars are not really actresses or maybe there are.  That area is where many of the massage parlours are and sometimes they do rent for additional services.  Who did you rent the apartment through?  Also, Ukraine elites do not live there - if so - name them.  Do you know any Ukraine elites in person? 

[BillyB]

And how do you know that?

I took a look at the forum. A guy could either get turned on or disgusted with what he'll read and see there in the photos. For those who think innocent things happen behind closed doors between gentlemens and hookers, I would urge them to go educate themselves at that forum. Lots of photos there of men and their conquests.

What at type of places are you guys staying with condoms, oils, etc laying around.  I have stayed in more apartments than 99% of the men on this board and have never seen anything like this.  I guess you pay for what you get.

Billy, Khreshatik #25 if this is where I think it is - porn stars are not really actresses or maybe there are.  That area is where many of the massage parlours are and sometimes they do rent for additional services.  Who did you rent the apartment through?  Also, Ukraine elites do not live there - if so - name them.  Do you know any Ukraine elites in person?

Men don't leave condoms and oils laying around in those apartments. They are usually hidden deep in drawers, behind items in the medicine cabinet in the bathrood. The cleaning lady can easily over look them especially when she's still cleaning when I arrive because the guy before me just left.

I never said porn starts live in Khreshatik #25. Next time you're in Kiev, go to Khreshatik #25, the building with the big Soviet star on top set way back from the street and the big fountain on the sidewalk, and count how many cars that are not BMW's and Mercedes vs. how many there are and it'll give you an indication the type of money those living there have.

[kievstar]

Billy, I know you said movie stars but your not aware that the building you mention has a lot of prostitution in it.  I was making a joke about porn stars because that building is full of apartments for sex and I do not think their PG rated movie stars.

I used to sell BMW's in Kiev and Ukraine and I can tell you that the elite live south of the city for the most part.  They do not live in that building.  Also need to remember you can buy a BMW for around 60,000 usd and most people in Kiev who are local have no rent to pay.  Before the crisis a normal white collar director level job for a 40 year old man was around 12,000 usd a month after tax in Kiev and there were thousands of these jobs. 

But I understand your point you have stayed in nicer apartments and sex tourists have used it.  Sex tourists like the very city center of Kiev.  Your also right that many apartment owners cut corners on cleaning the apartment.  That is why my policy of no sex before marriage is the best policy.    

[GoodOlBoy]

That is why my policy of no sex before marriage is the best policy.    

I have found that 2 things will "cloud" the judgement of the brain in any relationship...alcohol and sex.  :evil:

e.g.: Sculpto...Moscow.  

On the other hand Kstar, that is a "tough" policy to live by!  

Not impossible...BUT tough (especially with a beautiful FSU woman)!


GOB

[BillyB]

that building is full of apartments for sex and I do not think their PG rated movie stars.

I must be blind because I did not see one hot dressed or hot looking woman go in or out of that building when I was there. It was mostly populated with middle aged people who drove very expensive cars. There are a number of rental apartments in that building. I suspect foreign men are calling the call girls to the building more than the locals.

[Muddy]

I must be blind because I did not see one hot dressed or hot looking woman go in or out of that building when I was there. It was mostly populated with middle aged people who drove very expensive cars. There are a number of rental apartments in that building. I suspect foreign men are calling the call girls to the building more than the locals.

I know where Kreschatic 25 is, I think I stayed there one time 3 years ago.
Its building with security, 10-15 floors, nice view of Krechatic, very nice location.

[kievstar]

Billy, escorts do not always walk around in thigh high boots and short tops.  Most are not good looking.  The escorts actually have apartments in that building that they use but do not live there.  There are massage parlours in there as well.  Massage parlours are just a normal apartment which they try to be discreet about to not piss their neighbors off.  I think there is even a sex tourist agency located in there that caters for bachelor parties.  The main street of Kiev is full of apartments like this.  I used to buy and sell apartments and before buying one I hired people to watch the area for a couple of days.  Go to the Podol area next time it is cleaner.  Plus you can walk 15-40 minutes to anywhere in Kiev city center.  For some reason sex tourists and escorts do not hang out in the podol area.  At least one year ago they did not.

GOB - I decided with my second wife that was my policy.  But it was funny as she told me day after marriage she thought something did not work.  Than she had a bunch of questions as I was no beginner knowing several hundred positions and I had to come clean that I dated a pre porn star for 4 years.  And I visited 2 times a month so it was not like I never saw her.

[Sculpto]

I have found that 2 things will "cloud" the judgement of the brain in any relationship...alcohol and sex.  :evil:

e.g.: Sculpto...Moscow.  

On the other hand Kstar, that is a "tough" policy to live by!  

Not impossible...BUT tough (especially with a beautiful FSU woman)!


GOB

Thats a low blow GOB.  What really clouded the relationship was her Father being on his death bed and I am really thankful I had the patience to work through the problems and take the time to prove to her that I am who I said I am. 

When people are so quick to judge on the surface of things they might be rejecting someone who is not bad.  Again, the difference between a black and white view of th world and one in which all the colors are considered.