England - problems

[rambler]

What I am about to write would be disallowed as evidence in a court of law as  hearsay; but it is hearsay from my brother in law.
So ... make up your own mind.
At his workplace of about 250 people almost all male, there are
 
3 English guys with
3 FSU wives who had
3 marriages
3 babies that get UK citizenship
1 month after the babies are born
3 divorce petitions were served by the wives
The wives can stay in the UK forever as they have  a British dependent child
In fact It is hard for them to leave the UK with the child.
Can remove the man from his own house
He can see his child when the court says so
He can lose 50% of his assets
He can pay child support and alimony for at least the next 20 years
These guys are not High income

Pre Nups don't work in the UK
I will marry in France where Pre Nups are binding.
In France the settlement is naturally dependant on the length of the marriage excluding the premarital cohabitation and depends on what property each party brought to the marriage. Not 50-50 like USA and UK, so UK is a prime target for this behaviour. The woman does not have to give any grounds for divorce except that she considers the marriage to have broken down - that's it. Finished, no defence.

I apologise to all who find this disturbing and offensive but it is from a source I cannot argue with, family. 

Rambler

[Muddy]

Well, I can see the UK lawmakers are even DUMBER than the US

How bad not to protect yourself before marrying these girls.
So many girls before they marry a foreign man post questions about the marriage laws in the russian forums before marrying and moving so they probably knew everything before they moved to UK and then just did more reserach after they moved to the UK by asking friends,...

[janic]

3 English guys with
3 FSU wives who had
3 marriages
3 babies that get UK citizenship
1 month after the babies are born
3 divorce petitions were served by the wives

Yeah, I know similar stories from Germany.

I will marry in France where Pre Nups are binding.
In France the settlement is naturally dependant on the length of the marriage excluding the premarital cohabitation and depends on what property each party brought to the marriage. Not 50-50 like USA and UK, so UK is a prime target for this behaviour. The woman does not have to give any grounds for divorce except that she considers the marriage to have broken down - that's it. Finished, no defence.

Nice to know. Thanks.

[Muddy]

If they email and chat with their family and friends on your home computer installing a keylogger on the computers helps. What they plan to do takes time, they write and ask people, freinds,... It just does not happen in a short time.
I always advise my friends and clients to not marry the girls in their home country, take their time, do the K1 instead of K3, search russian dating sites for their profiles and photos, ... and of course install the keylogger, the keylogger could be their best friend in this kind of relationship.
If you dont do these things you really dont know the girl you are marrying

[BillyB]

He can lose 50% of his assets

50% no matter how short the marriage is or she gets a percentage even if a guy married for only a few months?

With the laws out there, it's more reason to choose wisely and not rush to get married. A few years ago in America, single women surpassed married women for the first time. Could be men are getting scared of word "marriage".

[Gator]

Two guidelines:

1.  Know your woman.

2.  Treat her like the queen you want her to be (rather than like the goat Muddy sees them as).

[ScottinCrimea]

If you feel that you have to install a keylogger on your computer, you have no business getting married in the first place.  The mistake is not that the women weren't monitored closely enough after the marriage, the mistake ws in marrying a woman that you don't know and trust.  The bottom line is that these men got exactly what they married.  to claim victim status now just doesn't cut it,

[Muddy]

ScottinCrimea,
I remember your post long time ago, your wife left you and I think she filed for divorce and you had no idea why and what happened since she was goign to get her green card in a short time, and she took the cars too,... I did not read all of your post.
I hope all is okay with you and she did not file a domestic violence case against you.
Do you think she woke up one day and decided to do all of that to you or do you think she was planning it for a week, a month,...
You thought you knew her very well and youwere just shoked and were asking everybody for advice about what to do with your apartment/home, the police,..

Scott, I also remember you had spent alot of money on a home in Ukraine, the home was not even under your name, it was under your wife's name. If she went ahead with her plan to erase you from her life I am sure you lost all the money you had spent on that property too.
Cases like this are so sad!

[kievstar]

Date in your league.  Know your woman.  Act like a gentleman.  Not that hard guys.  

Muddy and Rambler how old are you really and where do you live?  Rambler I know how a girl can take you to the cleaners in Paris as well.  Be careful.  She just has to do one little thing and your toast.  Remember no prenup is binding and the best lawyers are not on the side with the man or woman with most to lose.  

[Muddy]

Interesting to ponder the possible consequences.

It would seem to me that, with a little clever planning and coordination, it would not be too difficult for a foreign woman who married an American man (who signed an I-864 as part of an AOS), to then file for divorce from her husband, self-file for legal permanent residence as an abused spouse (see other threads on that issue), and then use the couple's (i.e., his) money to get a judgment against him to obtain not only a property settlement, but also now an annual payment of about $20,000 from the spouse (under a private right of action as per the I-864 form and the court decisions cited above), and then, while holding status as a legal permanent resident of the US, actually spend most or all of her time back in Russia or Ukraine, etc -- and live fairly well on that annual sum in the FSU -- and look forward to a possible lifetime of that support (keeping a PO Box in the US to receive the monthly checks and evidence her continued residency).  If so, that's not too bad for an investment of perhaps a few months actual time (from first meeting to divorce).

Apart from the fact that all the above would constitute fraud (which wouldn't necessarily stop those who are criminally inclined), I would hope that there are some fatal flaws in that scenario.  Anybody?

[JR]

50% no matter how short the marriage is or she gets a percentage even if a guy married for only a few months?

I believe that she gets 50% of what was accumulated during the marriage.

[ScottinCrimea]

ScottinCrimea,
I remember your post long time ago, your wife left you and I think she filed for divorce and you had no idea why and what happened since she was goign to get her green card in a short time, and she took the cars too,... I did not read all of your post.
I hope all is okay with you and she did not file a domestic violence case against you.
Do you think she woke up one day and decided to do all of that to you or do you think she was planning it for a week, a month,...
You thought you knew her very well and youwere just shoked and were asking everybody for advice about what to do with your apartment/home, the police,..

Scott, I also remember you had spent alot of money on a home in Ukraine, the home was not even under your name, it was under your wife's name. If she went ahead with her plan to erase you from her life I am sure you lost all the money you had spent on that property too.
Cases like this are so sad!

My case is completely different from those that you cited, so not a good reference point.  All is actually very well with me.  My wife and I are on a very friendly basis. we see each other regularly, and no domestic violence issues have been brought up.  In fact, we filed the petition for removal of conditions jointly, not based on abuse.  It has become more and more apparent that her actions were not premeditated.  It would have taken a heck of an acting job to present herself as someone she was not for the three years I knew her before I married her, including two years living together.  Mine was not a case of marrying someone I didn't know and then moaning about the consequences, it was more a typical case of marital unhappiness that had nothing to do with whether she was Russian or not or how long we had known each other.  I certainly never felt the need to spy on her every keystroke to try to figure out just who I had married.  In the divorce papers she is not asking for any alimony, just that I pay half of her credit card debt and her attorney fees, a combined total of less than $2,000. Certainly you can see the difference in this scenario.

[acrzybear]

Scott
So will she get the property in Ukraine? Will you keep it? Sell it? or just forget about it?    It's good to see that your situation has settled some.

[ScottinCrimea]

Scott
So will she get the property in Ukraine? Will you keep it? Sell it? or just forget about it?    It's good to see that your situation has settled some.

Still working on that one.

[Makkin]

  Godd luck with everything Scott.


  Makkin