Agency owners

[ConnerVT]

Gee, the Mercedes she bought with her husband's money (unknown to him), and the millionaire she was banging behind her husband's back are PROBABLY a pretty good indication of her motive, wouldn't you think?

Conner, recently, i have learn to be suspicious about "PROBABLY" thing... in July, Dan have PROBABLY ban me... all have lead me to think this without real evidence but only because some indication have lead me to think this... He have try to explain it to me but i was upset by what i think be the true... now, i don't know and i give him the benefice of the doubt... doubt was all who have existed, no real evidence...[/quote]
Motive is what goes on inside a person's head that directs them to do the things they do.  Unless you have a mind reading machine, you will never have the strength of evidence you are demanding here.

So what is left to determine someone's motive?  Their actions.  Her actions seem to be filled with deceit, and the money trail that she followed grew bigger and bigger.  I think it is possible to make some basic assumptions about both her motive and her character.

I don't know why I bother, Bruno...  I honestly don't think you would say "$hit" if you had a mouth full of it.  "...after all, I didn't see where it came from... it might be chocolate..."  :?

[itstime]

For the 'nuts and bolts' of finding a FSUW, the agency owners are the experts in this arena and should be afforded some recognition of this.

Sorry guy but I 100% disagree with this. The agency owners are NOT the experts in this arena. If you are a customer and have decided that is the way you are going to find your wife, then fine, follow the agency owners' advice.

But, the real experts in this arena are the guys who have already gone to the FSU and found a wife. Or failed to find a wife. In other words, the trip reports are where you have the opportunity to learn from the real experts.

Personally, I have decided to not use any agencies or other middlemen in my pursuit of a wife. The only "agency" support that I use is tourist agencies who help with visas, hotels, apartments and similar stuff. But not marriage agencies. I met my Russian girlfriend last year through freepersonals.ru and even though the relationship did not progress to marriage, I am satisfied with the way things worked out. After all, we are dealing with real people with different personalities and desires. It often takes time to figure out whether there is a match or not. If I had been more experienced at dating, I would have figured out sooner that it was no-go. And if she had not had such painful past experiences with men, then perhaps it would have worked out.

In the end, I know an awful lot more about myself, about FSU culture, and about dating in general. A short time ago I met another woman through luckylovers.net and this time I think I have a winner. Next week I will know for sure. If it all does come together so quickly it will only be because I am ready and willing to do what it takes to make a new relationship work and I believe this particular woman feels the same way. But I would not, in general, recommend that others follow my example. There just are no general rules of thumb in this arena other than common sense.

 

 

[Jack]

I agree itstime. Guys who go half way around the world to meet one woman at a time really don't need an agency or any other support, just someone to get them a flat and to and from the airport.

However you did mention the tourist agency providing "similiar stuff". What exactly are the "similiar stuff" the tourist agency helped with? 

Just curious "IF" it did not work out with the one lady you traveled half way around the world to see what would you do?  Would you have a back-up plan? Would you then go to the dreaded marriage agencies?

[Bruno]

However you did mention the tourist agency providing "similiar stuff". What exactly are the "similiar stuff" the tourist agency helped with? 

Just curious "IF" it did not work out with the one lady you traveled half way around the world to see what would you do?  Would you have a back-up plan? Would you then go to the dreaded marriage agencies?

Ok, this i can explain... i am just busy change my site in these way...

For flower, gift, candy... i use a site who is specialized in this and cover all FSU... they are usual cheaper that several agency...

For hotel, i go work with a big international site who work worldwide... cheaper price, big selection of hotel, possibility to earn "point" for cheaper price on other reservation... several hotel have pick-up at airport...

For plane, i go work with a worldwide site who have more of one million flight in database... they find the cheaper or faster plane for your trip...

For translation, i go use a woman who have post here... located in USA... cheap official document translation and price for letter translation based on the lenght of letter and not by letter...

And at last, the reserve plan can be like itstime have used... free-personals.ru ... alone in a city... use a internet club, visit the site, use the search engine and contact all the woman you find interesting in the city your are located... explain that you are already in her city and will meet her... with a database over 13000 woman, you will certainly find 4-5 women to meet in the next days...

But all this ask a lot of work... for people too much lazy or afraid or without knowlegde over international trip... full agency are a real alternative....

No one system is better that a other... each system is for one type of customer... make all yourself allow you to spare some hundred of $$$ but use several hours went it is not several day of your time... some people have enough money but not enough time... a trip organized by full service agency can be the best for them...

 

 

[itstime]

"Similar stuff" means any other support services you need in the FSU. Next week when I am in Kiev, the apartment rental agency also is supplying me a taxi to the apartment because I am arriving late in the day and don't want to waste time with the bus and metro. It will be my 4th FSU trip and the first time I pre-ordered a taxi. They are also buying me two one-way tickets to another Ukraine city closer to my girlfriend's hometown. It saves a bit of time and I get to help her over her very first airplane flight. I expect the next time she will be flying, she will be on her own to meet me.

On past trips to Russia, I used besteastern.com to arrange some hotel rooms. Twice I bought Aeroflot tickets through the local travel agent who got me my visa. Once I bought my own tickets after checking out a couple of  travel sites. Several times I have bought intercity bus tickets in Russia minutes before travelling on the bus. Once I phoned a hotel in Ekaterinburg to reserve a room for the night.

If you need English speaking drivers or you need interpreters then travel agencies at your destination can find that for you.

The whole idea is that you don't need to buy the prepackaged agency services. It is possible to mix and match and roll your own trip.

I was preparing to go to Volgograd for two weeks to take a Russian course there. I searched the web and found a local Volgograd dating site with a forum. It was a typical Russian website that runs off local ad revenue. Some people posted profiles in the database, others just posted something on the forum with their email address. My plan was to go there and use that site to set up local dates. But that fell through when I met an amazing woman who lives in Ukraine.

As for backups, I don't need any. If this Ukraine woman falls through and turns out to be a scammer or gets cold feet, then I will stop women on the street and ask for directions. If they show interest in the fact that I am a foreigner, then I will tell them that I am looking to meet my "other half" in Ukraine and ask if they know any women who might be right for me. That way, if they aren't interested themselves, I expect to get a chain of referrals to keep me busy. Any of you who have done sales and cold-calling will recognize the strategy.

Of course, I have no intentions of finding a "mail order bride" and I have never approached the task in that way. I think that everyone would be better off to just consign that term to the dustbin of history where it belongs. Mail order brides were women who escaped the dreary drudgery of eastern cities looking for a better life in America's western frontier. And then there was the Filipina interlude of the 70's. Outside of that, there never has been any real possibility to find mail order brides. It is an insulting term, both to women and to men. As far as I am concerned, MOB stands for "Mother Of the Bride".

 

[Jack]

..."As for backups, I don't need any. If this Ukraine woman falls through and turns out to be a scammer or gets cold feet, then I will stop women on the street and ask for directions. If they show interest in the fact that I am a foreigner, then I will tell them that I am looking to meet my "other half" in Ukraine and ask if they know any women who might be right for me. That way, if they aren't interested themselves, I expect to get a chain of referrals to keep me busy...."
 
itstime it sounds like you may not be in a major city when your meeting ladies on the streets. The percentage of ladies who speak English might be quite low. And your going to walk up to these ladies and try to speak with them?  If you speak Russian that will certaintly help.  So if the one lady your traveling half way across the world to see get's cold feet you feel you are better off walking up to ladies on the streets as oppossed to going to a local marriage agency where at least there you know the ladies have a sincere interest in finding a foreign man of marriage.
 
And with the probably great majority of these ladies you meet on the streets who do not speak English, you think they are going to turn you on to their friends?
 
itstime, I hope you will share with us your experiences and how things worked out.
 

[RacerX]

"then I will stop women on the street ...and ask if they know any women who might be right for me. That way, if they aren't interested themselves, I expect to get a chain of referrals to keep me busy.
 

I am sure by stopping women on the street and asking them to find a woman for you might meet your, how should I say, "specific" needs and will keep you real "busy," but most guys are going to want a more reliable approach.  I don't especially recommend agencies, but I do recognize they employ somewhat different approaches!

Let me ask this: how many years have you lived in the FSU and how many FSUW have you met?  Do you feel you have greater expertise in recognizing a prostitute than an agency representive might?  If so, what qualifications do you bring to the table that they don't.

I suppose I could ask many more questions, but honestly I think your  post makes my earlier point. FWIW.

[PeeWee]

I agree itstime. Guys who go half way around the world to meet one woman at a time really don't need an agency or any other support, just someone to get them a flat and to and from the airport.

However you did mention the tourist agency providing "similiar stuff". What exactly are the "similiar stuff" the tourist agency helped with? 

Just curious "IF" it did not work out with the one lady you traveled half way around the world to see what would you do?  Would you have a back-up plan? Would you then go to the dreaded marriage agencies?

I believe in travel agencies. I get my best prices from them. Better than Expedia.com. With regard to the marriage agency, why would they not be a benifit to someone who can use that service? I would if I were not in the situation that I am in. I am a one on one sort of guy and the cattle call approach to meeting women may not work fo rme but other agency services might help me. If an agency has a number of services then why not use some or all of those services.

What is the difference between Home Depot and hiring a licensed and bonded remoding contractor? One is for the do it your self guy the other is for the guy who wants it done for him. Both is right. I have my oil changed a Jiffy Lube. My son changes his own oil. I am all for the marriage agency. He won't recall it but I did have an email correspondence with Jack about 3 years ago. He was a huge help to me and he did not charge me a dime for this consultation.

 

PeeWee

 

[Kevin]