Agency owners

[jb]

Shadow,

Last I heard, Spencer married an AW, and never made a trip to the FSU.  

He's lurking here, he could easily clear this up if he so desired.

[corncrowe]

corncrowe,

Have you ever had a thought that needed more than nine words to express? Or, did the only original idea you ever have die of loneliness?

You are starting to make us Texans look bad. Perk up, post something thought provoking, or comment on something that will spur the interest of the other members. Anything but those inane little cartoons,,, please.

jb,

I'm just milling around with the cows for now.  I kinda keep the search under wraps until I actually go meet.  Gee, I just fell for that old bait trick...

(30 just for you)

Jon

[corncrowe]

Yeah corncrowe. Either fish or cut bait!

 



 

itstime,

I fished many times in different waters.  For me the adventure began in 1999.  I had three FSU girlfriends so far.  Various experiences from good to very bad.  So, history, for me it's not a camping trip anymore.

What's your lifetime battering average with FSU women?

Jon

[KenC]

Bruno,

You wrote:

 

but it will be more construtive for the forum to reply at the post and not attack the person... The "statement" is a low attack used by some people when they don't know what to reply to a post... in place of reply to the idea in post, they attack the poster... in the hope to discredit the idea in the post itself...

[/font]I attacked what you wrote, not you.  I said, and stand by what I said, that most of what you write is dribble.   You have had one failure after another in this process. You come to unfounded conclusions, wear your heart on your sleeve, have made numerous errors in your pursuit of a RW and I seriously question where you think you have the ability to give anyone advice in this matter. Unless of course it is "These are the huge mistakes I made, don't you do them too".  The best advice I can give a newbie, is to evaluate where your advice is coming from before you follow it.

KenC[/size][/font]

[Bruno]

No, Bruno, you lifted portions of my posts and placed them on LV to prove I'm some kind of hate monger, and to protray me as the bad person.

That was your sin.

Edit: Even more interesting,,,, going back to the original link;
http://www.lillavilla.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=243#243

It's no longer accessible as an readable English forum, I guess LV has dissappeared into thin air.

Good stuff...

I give you again the link...

http://forum.lillavilla.com/index.php?showtopic=41

and you can see that it was "Amanta" who have copy your post... "Amanta" is a admin from LV... "Fiorella" on RWD is "Palette" on LV ... "Kvinna" on RWD is "Lilya" on LV....

Good reading... of course, it is too much for hope some excuses for false accusations:cool:

[Shadow]

Shadow,

Last I heard, Spencer married an AW, and never made a trip to the FSU.

He's lurking here, he could easily clear this up if he so desired.

You could be right jb, I only know he is married. What counts is that he does not give advice himself abut the process.

[corncrowe]

jb,

Just for the record.  I will never marry another AW.  I am committed to finding a woman from the FSU, but my schedule isn't fixed to a certain day or year.  I like to visit Ukraine, maybe see Russia next summer, and just enjoy this time of my life.

I bumped into a nice girl in Kiev this May and had a nice conversation.  She was 26 and very educated.  But she was not what I sought.

I had planned another trip this fall, but will have to wait and see what happens.  I hadn't found anyone interesting enough yet.  I most likely will spend some time in a writers retreat:

http://www.nspu.kiev.ua/Etexts/index_e.htm

Who wouldn't want to spend a couple weeks where Chekhov lived?  The big difference between me and most other members is that I am a writer, and I would rather believe in fate, chance and destiny to find my future wife.  So, I leave you with these nine words:

Life isn't about love, but who we have loved!

Jon

[Bruno]

I said, and stand by what I said, that most of what you write is dribble.   You have had one failure after another in this process. You come to unfounded conclusions, wear your heart on your sleeve, have made numerous errors in your pursuit of a RW and I seriously question where you think you have the ability to give anyone advice in this matter. Unless of course it is "These are the huge mistakes I made, don't you do them too".  The best advice I can give a newbie, is to evaluate where your advice is coming from before you follow it.

KenC

Who here have never know failure in relation...

OK, i am divorced ... How much people have know a divorce here... i think a lot...

OK, i have know a misluck dating experience... How much people have know a misluck dating... i think a lot...

Ken have you date only one woman and marry her ?

And yes, i have make mistake and i have learn from them... what i write today is based on the lesson from my previous mistake...

[jb]

Shadow wrote:

You could be right jb, I only know he is married. What counts is that he does not give advice himself abut the process.

Yes,,,, but,, he is the supreme moderator on the RWG, thus his censorship and decisions are, in fact, a form of advice.  Don't you get it?  He gets to decide what you are able to read and what gets deleted.  That's the ultimate advisor.

[Bruno]

No, Bruno, you are just the arch-typical European weasel. You know nothing, you produce nothing, you merely occupy space and time, and breathe our air.

Now THAT is a personal attack,,, just so you know the difference.

Is it your reply to the post where i give you the link to LV and where i prove that you are wrong...

Of course, when you have no more argument, when you are not more able to manipulate words, when people can see your lie ( and it is not the first time ), it is your usual way to attack...

You hate French, you hate European, you hate Muslim... be happy to have someone to hate... if we don't exist, you can only hate yourself... you need hate for live, it is your food... why so much agressivity...

[Bruce]

Bruno - I appreciate all your posts whether I agree with them or not.  Believe me, I strongly disagree with almost all of your political comments.   "A person who has not failed has done nothing."   Bruno is a guy who sticks his neck out.   He is a guy who tries.  He wins some, he loses some.  He was married to a RW for 5 years.  Thats alot better than plenty of guys out there who take trip after trip only to be seduced by one or many women never to commit.  Thats alot better than the keyboard romeo or the guy who does not have the guts to get on a plane.  At least he is a man who stands by his views and makes commitments.  Bruno is a guy who is fluent in so many languages.  Yes he may not spell correctly or be gramatically correct sometimes - but we get the message.   Bruno is a guy who tells you his failures blow by blow.  I give the guy tremendous credit for his open book approach.  Bruno is a guy who puts his passport page out for all to see.   Bruno is a internet website finding whizz who is great at locating real published facts in our language.  Bruno also happens to be a guy who just will not quit an argument or drop a point and has seriously gotten under some of our equally outstanding posters such as JB and Ken. 

Now, Bruno makes mistakes as the LV links imply - but I believe he was attempting to show fairness and or "win" an argument.   I forgive his cyberspace transgression. 

I hope you all will operate in a spirit of forgiveness, view each thread as its own and move on.   You guys have to admit that at least sometimes at least some of what Bruno is bringing to the table holds credence.

Each person has to find their own way in the FSU.  Personally, I tend to view anything Ken or JB says about the FSU as pretty much absolute - but even they sometimes make mistakes.   Bruno, I have yet to figure out the validity of alot of your advice and points, but I certainly appreciate the thoughts.  Sometimes, I just wish you would sometimes give us more of the thought process.

I am just glad we can speak the straight truth here at the RWD! 

[KenC]

Hey Bruce,

I thought that UN job was already filled!!:D

KenC

[ConnerVT]

How come most of your thinking is so ass backwards?  The evidence is so slanted toward the RW being a gold digging visa whore and you are the only one that looks to the husband to be the bad guy.  He may have been a fool, but responsible for his wife's cheating ways?  Come on!  It is no wonder, with your ability (or lack thereof) of coming to some reasonable conclusions, that people write:[/size][/font][/b]

Ken, actually, it is only a evidence that she have a relation with a other man... over the motive, nobody know it actualy... [/quote]
Gee, the Mercedes she bought with her husband's money (unknown to him), and the millionaire she was banging behind her husband's back are PROBABLY a pretty good indication of her motive, woukldn't you think?

[PeeWee]

A good point you make, Bruno. Reverse scams happen as well. AM scamming RW. It goes both ways. Both parites have to be aware and cautious. Hopefully it is one of the services of an agency to make an attempt to screen out the undesireables from both sides of the pond. Not all will be screened but as long as a significant number is then there will be less scamming as a result of the agency efforts.

PeeWee

I have not say that Mr. Singerman was a scammer... only that it was possible that he have not good take care of his wife... this don't make him a scammer but a bad husband... and it was only a scenario, not something based on fact...

Until we have some evidence, all is possible... give the time at the police to make his work and only after, we will be able to draw some conclusion...
[/quote]
Bruno, I did not imply that Singerman was a scammer I implied that reverse scams, meaning AW scamming RW, happen as well. Nothng to do with Singerman but rather a general statement.

 

PeeWee

[PeeWee]

Now THAT would be a novelty

I suspect it would also be counter productive. There are several "moderators" on these boards who are not successully married to an RW/UW, nor have they been married for an extended length of time. Spencer is a prime example. He has never been to the FSU that I know of, nor has he ever actually dated a RW. These guys know virtually nothing about the overall process. If I were a newbie I'd be very leary of advice from those who have not been there or done that.

Be very careful from whom you solicit advice. You may get an earful of nonsense.[/quote]
I think I said that one time. Advice is what it is. It is an opinion. Often one than comes from an unqualified source. Nothing to hang your hat on. Your heart and your common sense is your guide. Use the force, Luke. Use your gut and instinct. You might screw up but if you don't try you will never know and you will never learn to be an expert on the subject.

PeeWee

[Admin]

FWIW, I agree with a number of other members who think these types of posts should either be deleted/locked or allowed to continue somewhere on this board - but definately NOT in the "Starting Out" section.

I think agency owners are a great source of information, so there as got to be a way to pick their brains without them flaming each other.  Maybe  an "Ask the Agency" section where there is some moderation to stop flaming.  I dunno....

Call me simple - but I still look at it this way:

* Agency owners (and other service providers/sellers) are NO DIFFERENT than any other RWD member. It is hoped they will provide the benefit of their vast experience, and expected they will do so in a non-commercial manner - AND remain civil.

* The RWD Member to Member Exchange section was established for those service providers who wish to advertise their services on RWD.

* While I expect a bit of healthy competitive give-and-take, I do NOT want competitor-bashing to become a common theme on the board.

Does that seem so difficult?

- Dan

[Maxx]

Shadow,

Last I heard, Spencer married an AW, and never made a trip to the FSU.

He's lurking here, he could easily clear this up if he so desired.

She's Welsh and I am sure he has to deal with the USCIS like all of us.

Maxx

 

 

[Shadow]

You could be right jb, I only know he is married. What counts is that he does not give advice himself abut the process.

Yes,,,, but,, he is the supreme moderator on the RWG, thus his censorship and decisions are, in fact, a form of advice. Don't you get it? He gets to decide what you are able to read and what gets deleted. That's the ultimate advisor.[/quote]
If what I have seen that was deleted later were only trolling threads, commercial threads that were unfit and threads deleted upon request with a very good reason. As such there is no difference between him and Dan.

The difference lies in him trying to avoid insulting posts. From anyone.

You will no doubt refer to the new agency policies, and the protection of advertisers. As I have no experience with agencies other than exchanging some thoughts and doing some research now and then this does not bother me. I understand both the points of Kevin/Jack and Spencer in this, and think it is great that Dan allows a place for them to post so far. I hope the agency wars will stay away here.

[Bruno]

Now, Bruno makes mistakes as the LV links imply - but I believe he was attempting to show fairness and or "win" an argument.   I forgive his cyberspace transgression. 

Thank you for your comment Bruce...

And now, a little explain for the quote up... really, i don't see the problem to speak or give a link to LV... some make it for VJ, RWG, or other here ... i have always think that forum need work together and not fight together... myself, on LV, it happend that i defend RWD too... when someone judge to much hardly his member... it was the case yesterday by example...

And these link what to show that i have not copy post from JB like he accuse me... it was not to "win" something... but for show that i say the truth... i have some honor and it is my right to defend it... honesty is one of my fundamental value and i don't agree when someone use lie for attack it.

[Bruno]

Gee, the Mercedes she bought with her husband's money (unknown to him), and the millionaire she was banging behind her husband's back are PROBABLY a pretty good indication of her motive, woukldn't you think?

Conner, recently, i have learn to be suspicious about "PROBABLY" thing... in July, Dan have PROBABLY ban me... all have lead me to think this without real evidence but only because some indication have lead me to think this... He have try to explain it to me but i was upset by what i think be the true... now, i don't know and i give him the benefice of the doubt... doubt was all who have existed, no real evidence...

Now, i have learn to not judge without real and strong evidence... of course, it is enough difficult but the only method who allow me to be impartial... Of course, i think that she is maybe a bad woman... but it is "maybe"... without real prove until now... in our world, all is possible... keep your mind open for all... it is not the first time that these who seem to be the good are bad people in reality...

[RacerX]

There is one HUGE difference - and that is, Spencer came onto this board for the singular reason to spill garbage over here that originated on RWG.


Call me simple - but I still look at it this way:

* Agency owners (and other service providers/sellers) are NO DIFFERENT than any other RWD member.

- Dan

Dan:  Can't say I completely disagree with you, except it appeared (at least to me) that the "garbage" Spencer was responding to, had originated on this thread.  OTOH, I guess that' s the same point Kevin was making - the "right" to defend one's agency from malicious board attacks.

On your second point, I would draw the parallel to automobile boards - all the members know something about cars, but when a representative from a car manufacturer comes on, well he is treated with greater respect and his words carry more weight.  For the 'nuts and bolts' of finding a FSUW, the agency owners are the experts in this arena and should be afforded some recognition of this.  

I just wish they would learn how to play better together!  Their sometimes childish behavior hurts the credibility of them all.

[Bruce]

"If what I have seen that was deleted later were only trolling threads, commercial threads that were unfit and threads deleted upon request with a very good reason. As such there is no difference between him and Dan. "

Shadow - All your line above shows me is that you have not read the Soviet RWG for any length of time or read what went on there closely for years.   There is a huge difference between Dan and the child who has never been to Russia or the FSU but dictates according to business interests only on his Soviet RWG :X.

[Shadow]

Bruce, I have been only interested in this process from May 2004, that is about the time I joined RWG. So what I have seen and read is mostly from this date and later. What I write is only my opinion on what I have seen and experienced during this time, what happened before and if posts or topics before that time were treated differently I can not judge.

Perhaps you remember that in the Soviet time it was the Party who directed the state. not the President.

[Bruce]

Shadow - In any event I am glad you have found the RWD, where we are free to share our thoughts, experience and opinion without the fear of censorship .  Best of luck with "the process."

[Shadow]

Thanks Bruce. I never fear censorship as I keep my posts balanced without letting any flame get through my fireproof suit. My opinions are nothing more than that, my opinions. I can be right or wrong, but that is why we are here to discuss.

As I explained someone on RWG who took insult at my post (my memory was better than his) I neither like or dislike members on a forum. While you might easily form a personal opinion based on posts I understand that in real life people may be very different from their online identity. When I agree or disagree with a member here I agree or disagree with their opinion, not with the person

Each and every one of us is a person, loved by some, liked by many, and not liked by a few. I believe in people being good until proven otherwise.