Agency owners

[Jack]

This message is to any and all agency owners out there.
 
I think that few individuals will have as much knowledge as some of the more active agency owners in this industry. I can't speak for all but I think when I say the following it is representative of many agency owners,...Agency owners see a LOT of things daily.
 
The number of scam letters I receive daily from men wanting my opinion as to this woman or that woman is amazing. Many agencies offer a service where they will hand deliver letters to any ladies from any agencies. I think we were the first to offer this service over six years ago and by doing so we let the genie out of the bottle.
 
Talk about discovering scam agencies, who was real, who was not, wait until you start hand delivering letters to ladies that men bought the addresses from Anastasia, Scanna, 2 Oceans of Love, A Pretty Woman, Absolute Agency, etc, etc, and so many small agencies you have never heard of. In Odessa we kept catching this one agency scamming over and over and they would just keep changing their names until we could run across them again. One rather obvious thing for new guys to look for in any agency, how long have they been in business? If less than a year, be careful.
 
Agency owners are a wealth of information. "WHY" would any discussion board want to silence them?
 
Ok, one might ask or suggest that maybe one agency might accuse another agency of doing something not right, much like the current discussion here with Hot Russian Brides. What's the owner of Hot Russian Brides doing? He is responding. "IF" you are honest and ethical, if you don't scam or cheat, agency owners have nothing to hide or worry about. They can address anything that comes at them. And if you cheat or scam in this industry, you don't last long. The word spreads.
 
Dan run's a pretty fair Russian discussion board here. Dan does not say "If you are an agency owner you cannot discuss other agencies". And why does Dan not do this? I think because he also feels the cream of the crop will rise to the top in open debates. 
 
If you are an agency owner and you have been banned from a Russian discussion board because you did, or would like to, discuss or reveal something you found out about another agency, please speak our on the RWD, a Russian discussion board that does not have to worry about hurting the feelings of agencies who make monthly advertising payments. Here, on the RWD you do not have a rope around your neck threatening to hang you if you reveal a scam you discovered by another agency. Here agency owners can duke it out.
 
I recall one agency owner who showed up for a short time here and when his prices for services were discussed, and it was plain for all to see how much more he charged for his services, he high tailed it off of this discussion board and probably looked for a Russian discussion board where agencies could NOT talk about other agencies. :X
 
In this industry being able to discuss and expose the truth is important to the new guys just starting out. I think any Russian discussion board that does not allow agencies to discuss the services, performances, shortcomings, of other agencies is a GREAT disservice to the so many new guys who are starting their pursuit for a Russian bride.

[Bruno]

The number of scam letters I receive daily from men wanting my opinion as to this woman or that woman is amazing.

Me, i receive more letter from woman who ask my help for remove profile they have never post on some agency... And you cannot imagine how it is difficult to remove a ads... some with e-mail, address, phone, and copy of passport, some refuse remove ads... they say that the ads is online minimum for 6 month ( or other delay ) and they don't care if the woman is already married or wish stop simply the search of foreign man... usually, more young and sexy is the woman, more difficult it is...

So guys, when you buy address, you are never sure the woman is already married, dead or go reply to you... and of course, in case of problem, it is the woman who is a scammer, not the agency...

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One rather obvious thing for new guys to look for in any agency, how long have they been in business? If less than a year, be careful.

[/size][/font]So guys,  be carefull with my agency, i have only starting it 9 month ago... the previous time, in 1998, i have keep it running only 15 month, the time i find a russian wife, marry her and she come in Belgium... now, you will be more lucky... if my actual girlfriend is the right one, it will be needed minimum one year more before her coming in Belgium...

Jack, seriously, it is BS... some new agency are very good and some old one become bad with time or change from owner... or associate with bad one... since you like RWD, i think that it will be a right place for recommend agency based on the experience of members... of course, i speak about fresh experience ( from the year ) and not experience from several year ago...

much like the current discussion here with Hot Russian Brides. What's the owner of Hot Russian Brides doing?

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Why write the word "hot" in red... they certainly use these word for marketing reason... myself, i call my site "marriage agency"... in fact, it is a personal site... like everybody with a own internet connection can make with the free space given by provider... i use the term "marriage agency" to be listen in search engine...

Don't judge the package, judge the content...

If you are an agency owner and you have been banned from a Russian discussion board because you did, or would like to, discuss or reveal something you found out about another agency, please speak our on the RWD, a Russian discussion board that does not have to worry about hurting the feelings of agencies who make monthly advertising payments. Here, on the RWD you do not have a rope around your neck threatening to hang you if you reveal a scam you discovered by another agency. Here agency owners can duke it out.

Maybe it is time to add a new section... for agency owner... i hope that they will provide advice to newbies... and not only fight and publicity...[/size][/font]

I recall one agency owner who showed up for a short time here and when his prices for services were discussed, and it was plain for all to see how much more he charged for his services, he high tailed it off of this discussion board and probably looked for a Russian discussion board where agencies could NOT talk about other agencies. :X

I don't remember a agency... but a translator... now that i think about this, maybe that i need to change the link about translator on my site... he was not bad but enough expensive... not, i have find the right one here on RWD... i have just visit the site of the russian woman living in USA... she don't only make official document but translate letter too... good price and good quality... i go contact her for see if she agree that i place a link on my site [/size][/font]

 

In this industry being able to discuss and expose the truth is important to the new guys just starting out. I think any Russian discussion board that does not allow agencies to discuss the services, performances, shortcomings, of other agencies is a GREAT disservice to the so many new guys who are starting their pursuit for a Russian bride.

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[BC]

I dunno.. maybe it's time for an agency talk section on the board.

Certainly does not have much to do with starting out.  Of course most newcomers would check out this section first.

Casting a wide net Jack?

<--- gets off Jack's soapbox.

[Jack]

Bruno, your explanation as to agencies who refuse to remove a woman's profile, even after being married, is exactly what I am talking about. WHAT agency does this Bruno? Is it a secret?  It's not a secret on RWD, out with Bruno, what agency does this?  Now on any Russian discussion board that says an agency cannot talk about, or reveal a scam by another agency, then it's a secret on that Russian discussion board, but not on the RWD.
 
Bruno I wrote that all agencies less than a year old that men should be careful. Do you disagree? I am sorry that your agency is less than 1 year old, soon it will not be. But are you saying the opposite, that agencies 2 months old or 6 months old that men looking for good agencies should not at least be careful?  To me it's only common sense.
 
Why is Hot in Hot Russian Brides in red? Because a lot of times things that are hot have red in them, like a hot fire or hot metal. If I write the word coool it's often in blue. 
 
Oh yes, your right, their was also the new young in-experienced translator from the Crimea who did not like the fact that we knew of excellent interpreters in Simferopol, Sevastopol and Yalta at $5 and $6 an hour. He did not like that being posted since he was charging twice that amount. Not good for business when those type things are pointed out. I think it was probably best for him to also find a Russian discussion board where agency owners could not tell others, especially newby's, that his prices were twice the going rate.
 
Yo BC, how you doing?  BC, the reason I posted it under the starting out section is because I wanted newby's to know that their are some Russian discussion boards who would not allow agency owners, some of the most knowledgeable people in the industry, to discuss fraud being committed by other agencies. You know the post I made on Hot Russian Brides getting busted by the news's program A Current Affair? Do you know that some Russian discussion boards would not allow me to post this because I owned an agency?
 
New guys should know when some Russian discussion boards have policies that might restrict or hold back certain information, good or bad, about other agencies. If I wanted to say something positive about Kevin's agency, KhersonGirls, shouldn't I be allowed to?  Why should I be told I would be banned for commenting on the good things that Kevin's agency does. Kevin has one of the most honest agencies in the industry and would have to be considered a great asset to any Russian discussion board. The man is knowledgeable. If he discovered a scam by an agency in Kherson, where he lives half the year, shouldn't he be allowed to expose this scam? Well ofcourse he should. So BC, I posted this under the starting out section so newby's would know that (1) RWD does not restrict agency owners from discussing scams they have uncovered from the so many scamming agencies out there and (2) the newby's should know that their are Russian discussion boards that do not allow agency owners who discovered a scamming agency to report it.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

[jb]

I dunno.. maybe it's time for an agency talk section on the board.

Certainly does not have much to do with starting out. Of course most newcomers would check out this section first.

Casting a wide net Jack?

I dunno???  Really, BC.

I'm not saying Jack would do it, per se, but I'd almost bet money that the average agency owner would err on the side of profit rather on the side of having a scam free agency.

Imagine being an agency owner, and a young, smokin'hotkova  walks in the door.  It's obvious she won't lack for male attention anywhere she goes, yet she wants her profile posted on the internet.  A few probing questions reveal she's seen her friends improve their lifestyles tenfold after writing to a few American men and wants to experience the same benefits.  Will the agency owner turn the young lady away?  Not likely, she represents an increase in profit to the agency and the owner's personal bottom line.

I once noted that the old Scanna agency sold the same lady's address over 4,000 times at $15.00 a pop, ($60,000 profit off one girl) knowing full well the girl would never answer a letter.  Who's scamming who here?

IMHO, agencies are your worst enemies as you go about finding a mate in the FSU.

Just my 2 cents.

[Jack]

jb, it really is fun having a scam free agency. Ohhh, scammers will get into any and all agencies, mine is no exception. We watch for them, remove them immediately once discovered, but bad women do get into good agencies, just as good women unknowingly sign-up with bad agencies.
 
You posted last week I should get into the used car business as you see the MOB days as being numbered. Well jb I have a successful telephone company in Dallas, don't need to sell cars and don't need to make money from my marriage agency. As far as the days of the MOB being numbered, I think I agree as well, to a degee, I see about 2,737 good days left and probably another 1095 days after that.
 
Really, it is fun be different from everyone else, well almost everyone else, Kevin doesn't have to make money from his marriage agency as well. Many times when guys write or call, no matter if I know them or not, and they order an address, I give it to them.  jb you probably won't believe this but each Christmas I get a great amount of satisfaction from all the Christmas cards I receive from people I have helped to bring together, seeing photos of them and their new families. I am truly blessed to be in a position to have such a positive impact on so many good men's lives.

[RacerX]

the newby's should know that their are Russian discussion boards that do not allow agency owners who discovered a scamming agency to report it.  

Jack:

Since I assume your post is about educating the newbies, might you inform us as to which discussion boards you are talking about - otherwise I, and maybe others, won't be able to see much factual value in this post.

[corncrowe]

So guys,  be carefull with my agency, i have only starting it 9 month ago... the previous time, in 1998, i have keep it running only 15 month, the time i find a russian wife, marry her and she come in Belgium... [/size][/font]

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Guys, I think Bruno is on to something here.  Let's all start our own agencies, get all the fine women to post for free, don't offer any services for guys and then we get the pick of the litter!

I don't know why I never thought of this first???

  

Jon

[jb]

Good for you, Jack, I'm happy for you.

Yet, I stand by my words, the average agency will take a chance on a scammer rather than the other way around.  It's a question of profit, and money rules.

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Well jb I have a successful telephone company in Dallas,

The name of which is??? Why arn't you touting the phone company here instead of the MOB agency?  Makes no sense.

[Jack]

jb wrote,......Yet, I stand by my words, the average agency will take a chance on a scammer rather than the other way around. It's a question of profit, and money rules.
 
jb, this is a first, or maybe a second here,.......I agree with you!!!
 
 
RacerX, one thing you can do is to ask on any Russian discussion board you are part of, or thinking about partiopating in, "Do you allow agency owners to discuss other agencies?"
 
You will have to PM me for more details.

[Jack]

Why am I not touting my phone company on a Russian discussion board? It makes no sense to you?  Again, why am I not surprised.
 
 jb, how does it make sense to you to tout a telephone company on a Russian discussion board?

[Bruno]

Bruno, your explanation as to agencies who refuse to remove a woman's profile, even after being married, is exactly what I am talking about. WHAT agency does this Bruno? Is it a secret?  It's not a secret on RWD, out with Bruno, what agency does this?  Now on any Russian discussion board that says an agency cannot talk about, or reveal a scam by another agency, then it's a secret on that Russian discussion board, but not on the RWD.

Jack, i have not keep all the data and after my HD crash from two week ago, i have almost nothing, only my memory... for several who have refuse in first time, a simple e-mail with my last ask and a forward to Jim's list was enough to change the meaning of some... the more big problem i have know was from a specific group of marriage agency... i don't remember the name of the site but they was from a "ABC group" who was located in scandinave country...

If you wish list, some will be coming soon... i have the same problem with my actual girlfriend... she have posted a ads on freepersonal.ru only... it seem that some site have copy her profil and ask money for her contact information... this have appear after some man have ask her his e-mail and phone number via the freepersonal.ru ... in anycase, she have change of phone number and e-mail...

About a pretty woman, i was previously with some evidence send by Galina... but again, i have not more it... but don't worry, i go publish the next one i have... only, i ask Dan to make a other section specialy for this... i don't wish polute the RWD with fight between agency...[/size][/font]

Bruno I wrote that all agencies less than a year old that men should be careful. Do you disagree? I am sorry that your agency is less than 1 year old, soon it will not be. But are you saying the opposite, that agencies 2 months old or 6 months old that men looking for good agencies should not at least be careful?  To me it's only common sense.

I say that new agency can be good... Age of agency is not a prove of quality... owner change, without change the name, new rule appear... from one day to other, a good agency can become bad... only recent information from customer can help to see if a agency is good or not... and this is the work of members from these forum... they use agency and share experience... 

JB wrote :

IMHO, agencies are your worst enemies as you go about finding a mate in the FSU.

 

I agree... between my first site in 1998 and now, a lot of thing have change and not in the good way... yes, several agency sell BS... but some are good... and find them are a test and try... i know some of these good... i have take the time to learn the owner... but usualy, they are little agency, not very good know...

Some other, help really yourself to find a partner... but they are at the limit of honest business method... ask to Timothy... a agency have help him to find his woman... but after this, they have not stop to try have more money... they have same try to break the relation... lucky, Thimothy have find the help of one member here...

You posted last week I should get into the used car business as you see the MOB days as being numbered.

JB have right in some way... you give the example of Kevin... but himself have already follow the evolution... marriage agency like we know now will dissappear... What i find great with the Kevin agency are the personal video chat... you are able to see your woman before meet her... and the reverse is true too... see in direct the reaction of woman to your question is a great + ... why do you think that you find a lot of russian woman seeking a partner on ICQ, MSN and Yahoo... direct contact... Kevin have adapt his agency to the new method... Men are able to see a real woman and her emotion ( reaction )... this spare men from several scammer...

Of course, for this, a local agency is needed... a real office... so, site like me will dissappear since i make all the work online... we make control but we have no real contact with woman or man...[/size][/font]

[BC]

Jack,

We've been prancing around each other the last few posts.

Now I'm going to just say something then I'll never say anything about it again.

IMHO you are using this board as a platform to attract your customers. Look at the first line in your initial post and tell me again that the intent was to inform the newbies coming to this section. You want your friends and foes here battling it out with a nice crowd of spectators.. a good attention getter to have folks place bets on your side.  It's sort of like movies nowdays.. -have you seen how many commercial plugs are hidden in a movie? That can of coke, those Kellog cereal boxes are in reality paid ads. You get it free here.

Like I said I'm dropping the subject completely now and promise to never mention it again. Keep it up and folks will get tired of it anyway.

[Shadow]

RacerX, perhaps Jack is hinting at the new Agency policy at RWG. They have a new policy which is:

We have a 'one-strike' policy for agency owners or their representatives who choose to ignore the rules. If any of the rules are ignored, we will take immediate action to delete the posts and the administrators will be informed immediately, which will result in your account being evaluated/deleted, your post(s) being deleted and a ban may be placed on your IP and email account so that you will never be able to log on to the board again. Additionally, you will forfeit all future advertising opportunities on the RWGuide.

We are tired of "managing" these little disputes between agencies, therefore if they continue to bleed into the board after a warning, we reserve the right not to advertise them in the future.


There have been some events leading up to this. Agency owners and some of their staff posting to promote their own or hurt the reputation of others. If an agency section is opened here (in the no-holds-barred department preferably) I would hope that Dan will send an e-mail to every agency which will be under attack.  Also It should start with every member that owns or works for an agency stating this so that we will know in front who is talking.

[Bruno]

Guys, I think Bruno is on to something here.  Let's all start our own agencies, get all the fine women to post for free, don't offer any services for guys and then we get the pick of the litter!

I don't know why I never thought of this first???

  

Jon

Jon, i offert one service to guys... contact woman for free :D:D ... if they find a interesting woman, they have her e-mail on the screen... some accept to place phone number, address or ICQ number...

Since i am the first to receive the ads of woman, if i find one interesting, i write her directly... so, i will be the first...

Over other service, you have independant translator ( no control of censure of e-mail )... and you have tourist agency for organize your trip...

For me, using a full service agency is too much dangerous... put all your eggs in the same bag can be dangerous in case of fall... Of course, some people don't read RWD and are lazy or know nothing... they need to be lead by the hand, so they choice full service...

Jon, i am not rich... make a site is the cheaper method to find a woman... and with the publicity, it pay the other expense ( domain name and server place )...

Some time ago, Dan have think about make a section where woman can post ads, here on RWD... it was a great idea... why pay for contact a woman if you can find her freely on RWD and have advice in the same time from the members... unfortunaly, it seem that these idea is forget...

 

[Kevin]

Shawdow

The new policy is RWG is because of John Briar (getmarriednow) attacks on my agency. John would have other post using false account or names to attack my agency. When I would show proof that John was behind the attacks.  It would become a attack/defend between John and Myself on the list. I have even submittted emails from John bragging about his new attacks to spencer. But it doesn't seem to matter. RWG agency discussion section is closed to agencies.  Only false posters and clients are allowed to post. :X  And I refuse to use false names so I have to sit back and read the attacks without the right to defend my agency.

The people who understand what is going on are the agency owners. And I fully support any agency owner that is willing to defend there agency and post using there real name.  Not only does this show that the agency owner is willing to defend there site. But that the agency owner actually cares enough to put himself and his agency up to discussion.  

One pattern that is noticeable with all scam agencies is the owners will hide there identity and as long as discussion groups promote this it is very difficult to identify the owners so action can be taken to remove these sites.

I say we require agency owners to identify themselves and support those who do.

 

Kevin Hayes
www.khersongirls.com (owner)

 

[Jack]

BC, I posted this under the starting out section so newby's would know that (1) RWD does not restrict agency owners from discussing scams they have uncovered from the so many scamming agencies out there and (2) the newby's should know that their are Russian discussion boards that do not allow agency owners who discovered a scamming agency to report it.


Kevin, were YOU banned?

 

[corncrowe]

Since i am the first to receive the ads of woman, if i find one interesting, i write her directly... so, i will be the first... 

Bruno!!!

It's such a great idea.  I can put up a quicky web site and solicit free contact to everyone.  The cost wouldn't be much more than 40 euro a month.  Hostbasket, in Belguim, has a web hosting service and I can just copy a web dating site, change a few details, and what you have is "Jon's free dating service".

Like you said, I see all the ads first so I would get the best...

Bruno, I think you are rich from being a genius!!

  

Jon

[RacerX]

Shadow - thanks for the info, and you also, Kevin... just don't understand why Jack was so evasive??

Kevin, I very much applaud your listing the agency name under yours - not only is it "truth in advertising" but it actually lends some credibility when you post.  However, since I understand you don't support the RWG way of doing things, what would you propose?  Having two or more agency owners in a pissing-match may be entertaining for awhile, but  once the novelty wears off,  the members will probably look/move elsewhere.

Curious as to how you would handle this...

[Shadow]

RacerX if you have been reading some posts here you might have noticed that Jack and Spencer from RWG have had some unfriendly exchanges (a lawsuit to be precise) so Jack will be careful about mentioning RWG directly as it may have consequences for him.

Kevin, I know from your posts that you are doing the best you can to help your clients, even if you have to remind them now and then that you are trying to run a business and can not live on giving away freebies.

 

[Jack]

Thanks Shadow.

wow! over 400 views in half a day. The RWD is becoming more popular everyday.

[Erwin]

Jack,

You are beginning to sound like a broken record....

Give it a rest..

E

[corncrowe]

Jack,

You are beginning to sound like a broken record....

Give it a rest..

E

I agree for a change...

Jon

[Kevin]

[user=154]RacerX[/user]
 I have no  problems when two agencies owners posting on a single list. What I have problem is when the agency owner uses other means to post and hide himself. In this case with GMN his employees and family would post under a false name with a bunch of lies or someone will be instructed by John to post. When I would see these post I would post a rebuttal with evidence to show who is behind the attack.  Keep in mind that GMN has done this in the past on this list also.

RWG has a area that is designed for disccusion about agencies. However his new rule does not allow the agency owners to respond to these posting in order to give there views or to request evidence to support any claims made them. All we can do is send a email to spencer with the evidence and ask for it to be lock up. But the damage is done because the thread is still available for others to read without my rebuttal or explanation.. 

I believe that any client should be allowed to post anything about any agency as long as they have facts to back up what they are posting.  I just don't want to see agency owners using others to post against there competition.  If the agency owner is aware of something a competitor is doing that should be made public the agency owner should be allowed to post it and the other agency should be allowed to respond to it.  It the case with GMN he would just not respond to any of the allegations. but his staff would post more lies.

In Kherson I know just about every scammer and scam agency personally.  The Current  RWG policy will not allow me to post any warning about these agencies or scammers on there site. The only person this is hurting are the readers. The people this is helping are the scam agencies and scammers.

If it was up to me. I would require every poster to show there real name and email address and every agency owner to put there agency address of there post. This way we know who is who.

I have no problems with RWG and I know he is reading this post. I do have a problem with GMN who is also reading this post and I invite both of these owners to respond to me on this list if they wish to voice there sides.

Kevin Hayes
Owner
Khersongirls.com

[corncrowe]

 I have no  problems when two agencies owners posting on a single list. What I have problem is when the agency owner uses other means to post and hide himself. In this case with GMN his employees and family would post under a false name with a bunch of lies or someone will be instructed by John to post. When I would see these post I would post a rebuttal with evidence to show who is behind the attack.  Keep in mind that GMN has done this in the past on this list also.

Kevin,

I've followed so many trite commentaries from you over the past four years that it's dulled my ears.  I'm absolutely against any agency posting, posing, or acting in the best interest of men seeking women in the FSU.  I remember you from RWG, RWL, RBL, ect. and it's just tiring to listen and listen to this nonsense all the time.

Get over it!  I know all about the agency strife in Kerson.  How you've been harmed.  How your reputation was damaged.  Blah, blah, blah...

Between you and Jack, I just want to shoot myself or go faggot!  Leave and take Jack with you.  Please!!!!

Jon