Should she report him to Antidate?

[BillyB]

Some of the 20% voted "no" not because you do not have enough information but because you dislike blacklists in general o AD in particular.  Thinking how this woman could be slandered if she went public with no recourse makes me think that blacklists are not the best way.  Something is needed, however, and a more balanced educational program is part of that.

What's needed is higher standards by anti scam sites to list people's name and photo only when they have evidence in hand. Without those high standards, you have the feeling blacklists are not the best way. You are correct in your feelings.

BTW, I voted yes in the poll but without the man's photo and name being involved. It's not about protecting scum, but when you break the rules at anti scam sites, if they exist, to let one person blacklist another without evidence, you will start breaking rules for all, including the blacklisting innocents when people of bad character report them. Now we are left scratching our heads wondering why anti scam sites aren't the best way to go. There's no quality control or set standards for listing people. Just list them based on the emotion you feel from a one sided story.

For those of you needing more information, I wonder if you feel that Iran's nuclear programme must be considered peaceful because no nuclear weapon has been discovered.  

Unlike the man in question, Iran has had the chance to speak and still they do not provide their evidence of having a peaceful nuclear program as they say they are creating. Now we have the right to better judge them and if they want to play cat and mouse games like Iraq when it came to WMD or refusing to abide by UN resolutions, then they will get bombed. It's time to bomb them.

I've made the offer before and I'll make it again so it's fair to the guy and so that we may better judge him. I'll call the guy to invite him here to explain why he backed out at the last minute and why would he spend the money on phone calls almost everyday lasting up to two hours. Why would he invest his money and considerable time to pursuing a RW just for a joke? Not only did he not meet the RW, he pulled his profile off of EM and pulled out of pursuing all RW entirely. Maybe he could explain the significant turn of events in his life.

[Mishenka]

The funny thing is... no, it's not funny... it's hilarious that you come in here professing God's word and just two days ago you were in here talking about wild sex and erotic times with your ex-gf in shop dressing rooms.

Oh really???  I never said anything close to this.

Get a life

[Kuna]

Oh really???  I never said anything close to this.

Get a life

Oh really???  You even posted hot and heavy emails from one of your ex-gf's and then you have the hide to come in here and preach to others.

Michael... I'm trying to be kind... so go get some help!  You really need it dude!

[Mishenka]

Kuna,, you poor lost soul, 

Romantic, yes, hot and heavy,, no,,
I did show there was once chemistry between us, 

"wild sex" ?   Only in my dreams.

Teasing me while trying on clothes,, as I was standing guard  outside the door or curtain as it was... sure,, she's a flirt, aren't they all?  I loved it!  She is hot and sexy,, so what,, they all are.

You have a problem with exaggerating everything Kuna. There is no place I spoke of the act of sex. Others may have but, not from my posts.

G'night time for bed. 

[Misha]

Kuna,, you poor lost soul, 

You have a problem with exaggerating everything Kuna. There is no place I spoke of the act of sex. Others may have but, not from my posts.

G'night time for bed. 

Speaking of lost souls.... Michael, do you remember what you post? I do remember your descriptions of sex, though I can't recall whether it was with Nadya or Tanya. If my wife wasn't waiting for me in bed, I might actually do a search, but I have better things to do. So, Kuna is not the one that is exaggerating everything here IMO, and he is not the lost soul that you should be concerned about.

[Gator]

Michael Mishkenka,

One of the key values of RWD is that all types walk through its doors.  We have had virgins seeking virgins.  At the polar extreme we have had Albert and Pike (why do I remember the names Albert and Pike and forget the names of virgins?). 

Most important, none of them claimed what they were doing is the path that all men should follow.  Nor were they hypocritical. 

[Kvinna]

Speaking of lost souls.... Michael, do you remember what you post? I do remember your descriptions of sex, though I can't recall whether it was with Nadya or Tanya. If my wife wasn't waiting for me in bed, I might actually do a search, but I have better things to do. So, Kuna is not the one that is exaggerating everything here IMO, and he is not the lost soul that you should be concerned about.

No, no, no, men, don't leave us. Go on and tell everything you can recall, I already brought popcorn and cola

[BradSTL]

Don't you think before starting "new life" you have to say goodbye the old one. It means you have to get divorced?

Same question can be posed to women who initiate new relationships prior to their divorces?   It seems there is a double-standard offered at some points in this thread.

[groovlstk]

Same question can be posed to women who initiate new relationships prior to their divorces?   It seems there is a double-standard offered at some points in this thread.

There are many Russian and Ukrainian couples who separate yet remain married simply because they don't want to spend the money to get divorced. Or the husband or wife wants to be a thorn in the other's side and refuses to show up at the registry office to sign the papers. Or one disappears with their lover and moves to a new city.

[ScottinCrimea]

Kuna,, you poor lost soul, 

Romantic, yes, hot and heavy,, no,,
I did show there was once chemistry between us, 

"wild sex" ?   Only in my dreams.

Teasing me while trying on clothes,, as I was standing guard  outside the door or curtain as it was... sure,, she's a flirt, aren't they all?  I loved it!  She is hot and sexy,, so what,, they all are.

You have a problem with exaggerating everything Kuna. There is no place I spoke of the act of sex. Others may have but, not from my posts.

G'night time for bed. 

Mishenka, I think you owe an apology to Kuna.  You are trying to rewrite history.  I had the same impressions as Kuna and I knew my memory wasn't failing that quickly, so I checked back through your posts.  I think thses are some of the quotes that you are trying to deny or downplay:

"She nearly gave me heart attack in those dressing rooms, just watching her move in and out of dresses got me all hot and that was her plan.  She wanted sex just like any of us do, and didn't have a problem being open about her needs. She expressed herself well and I did the same.  I'm not afraid to tell a woman I want her, and I want her right now. "

"These things you can't hide, you just have to look in her eyes and see,  its right there.  I know this look,  I saw it enough in Nadya, and when this woman wanted sex, she took it. I mean she took my hand, nearly dragged me up stairs,  pushed me into the shower with her and then tossed me on the bed soaking wet.  She liked to  be very much in control, and then some times they like you in control.  It's fun to play in the bedroom,  it makes life interesting"

"She would be so passionate as we made love she would dig her fingernails into my back Uriel I was bleeding"

No place you spoke of the act of sex?

As I looked through your posts as a whole and more analytically, I saw a pattern of thinking and behavior that is a little troubling.  Here you area a family and marriage counselor but you have one divorce and by your own admission have since then gone through a series of failed relationships.  I won't go into the details here but between that, your crusader attitude toward abuse (seeking out and trying to be the hero to abused women) and your holier than thou attitude citing God to strongly condemn adultery but justifying fornication, I have some serious concerns about your ability to counsel others.  Have you been in counseling yourself?  If not recently, I highly recommend it.  We all need a reality check on occasion and to have a professional that you trust look at you from the outside in can sometimes make a world of difference.  You're choosing the wrong women (for you) for a reason.  Maybe it's time to find out why.

[Misha]

No, no, no, men, don't leave us. Go on and tell everything you can recall, I already brought popcorn and cola

Well, just for you, below are some examples of Michael's posts just as Kuna described. 

... Nadya did this same thing,, I want to break up with you but I still want sex. Nadya was crazy, but fun. The deeper the love, the deeper the pain separating.

I saw Tanya three times a week, talked every other day.  She was always horny,, sure, and she misses intimacy just like all of us when we don't have a full time partner. She is very sensual, very sexy and hot,, sure,  all of these women are when they are 37,  in the prime of a woman's life.  What she wrote in emails she also said to my face as we held hands sitting in restaurants eating, or trying on clothes at womens shops in the mall.  She nearly gave me heart attack in those dressing rooms, just watching her move in and out of dresses got me all hot and that was her plan.  She wanted sex just like any of us do, and didn't have a problem being open about her needs. She expressed herself well and I did the same.  I'm not afraid to tell a woman I want her, and I want her right now. 

These things you can't hide, you just have to look in her eyes and see,  its right there.  I know this look,  I saw it enough in Nadya, and when this woman wanted sex, she took it. I mean she took my hand, nearly dragged me up stairs,  pushed me into the shower with her and then tossed me on the bed soaking wet.  She liked to  be very much in control, and then some times they like you in control.  It's fun to play in the bedroom,  it makes life interesting.

Misha

And this is one of the messages from Tanya that the posted in the same thread:

Billy,, I can see there is always a lot of fantasy in relationships, but here's one more that came after that, kinda interesting: I can laugh now, but,, man when a guy get's an email like this it super charges his ego and a few other things. Ha Ha. I think half of chemistry  is fantasy anyway!  sure looks that way here. Friends with Bennies would not be a problem with me and this girl.

Hello my sexy and romantic cuddle bear
 
Your song is beautiful.
 
Our messages  like a dance together. Do you feel it?
I feel you are my type of man
 
You know, what i did this morning? I usually practice belly dance in the morning, it's good exercice and I feel good during the day. But today after i read your massage, I dress very sexy in my Mini Dress and stocking. I took a big mirror and played exotic dance.  I touched my self and I moved very sexy. My imagination was about you.  I imagined you watch at me, you touch me.  Mmmmm........... I feel so good. I want to be very relax with you.

One more, Help me to learn english, don't hesitate to correct me, please.
 
See you today, call me because i forgot what time we are going to meet tonight.
 
Have a great day
Tatiana

And then Michael (Misha) claims: "There is no place I spoke of the act of sex." Go figure!

[LiveFromUkraine]

Misha why are you posting private messages from women you had a relationship with?

You seem to be a very concerned individual with all of your statistics which is why I wonder why you would post a private message.


Is it ego?



Thomas

[rose]

I'm shocked!!! I wasn't here for a while and did read it, but those quotes from Misha's posts... To post all that private things! 
And this person is a family counselor! I try very hard not to be judgmental, but seems this man doesn't know the concept of privacy. Now I'm wondering if he keeps private the information of his patients?
 

[Mishenka]

Rose,

first-
 The post about me and my personal life were all taken totally out of context from another thread for the purpose of hanging me. For some reason some of the men here decided to jump on the band wagon and put me on trial.  I can only sumise from the response to my abused women post that many men here are guilty of such crimes and can't deal with facing the truth.  Why else would they be so over sensitive and retalliate?

If you are curious about why threads about someof my relationships were posted read the WHOLE THREAD.  By READING the WHOLE thread you will understand my intentions were to get advice about one relationship that had just ended.

You will see various posts by others giving me all kinds of excuses and reasons for this break up,  I simply answered those posts to show the realty of it.

No,  I am no longer a family councelor,  and havent been for the last 7 or 8 years.

 To the others here: So much of what you all post is over exagerated.  Taking things out of context and using them to throw your crap in my face is useless.  You are missing your target!  The fact remains you will reap what you sow, none of us are exempt. 

He without sin cast the first stone.  We're all in the same boat so be careful!

End of story.

 Questionable attitude & reactions

[LiveFromUkraine]

Rose,

first-
 The post about me and my personal life were all taken totally out of context from another thread for the purpose of hanging me. For some reason some of the men here decided to jump on the band wagon and put me on trial.  I can only sumise from the response to my abused women post that many men here are guilty of such crimes and can't deal with facing the truth.  Why else would they be so over sensitive and retalliate?

If you are curious about why threads about someof my relationships were posted read the WHOLE THREAD.  By READING the WHOLE thread you will understand my intentions were to get advice about one relationship that had just ended.

You will see various posts by others giving me all kinds of excuses and reasons for this break up,  I simply answered those posts to show the realty of it.

No,  I am no longer a family councelor,  and havent been for the last 7 or 8 years.

 To the others here: So much of what you all post is over exagerated.  Taking things out of context and using them to throw your crap in my face is useless.  You are missing your target!  The fact remains you will reap what you sow, none of us are exempt. 

He without sin cast the first stone.  We're all in the same boat so be careful!

End of story.

No it isn't the end of story.  There is no way those are posted out of context.  Those are private messages and you should never have posted that stuff.  In my experience, I have found that the people who do the most yelling are normally the ones to watch out for.

I have seen it time and time again, especially with Christians.  The more they talk down and accuse others of ungodlike conduct, the more skeletons you would find in their closet.

Those messages should never have been posted regadless of the context of the post.


I see you as being the one who can't deal with the truth.


Thomas

[KenC]

Rose,

first-
 The post about me and my personal life were all taken totally out of context from another thread for the purpose of hanging me.

In context or out, if the quotes are accurate, you live or die with them.  It is like life, you live and die by your decisions.
 

For some reason some of the men here decided to jump on the band wagon and put me on trial.  I can only sumise from the response to my abused women post that many men here are guilty of such crimes and can't deal with facing the truth.  Why else would they be so over sensitive and retalliate?

That is a very low (and undeserved) blow IMO.  People are picking on you because they are abusers?  Get real, dude!

If you are curious about why threads about someof my relationships were posted read the WHOLE THREAD.  By READING the WHOLE thread you will understand my intentions were to get advice about one relationship that had just ended.

You will see various posts by others giving me all kinds of excuses and reasons for this break up,  I simply answered those posts to show the realty of it.

It is some of the men trying to help you through your time of need that you now call abusers here!  Think about that!

No,  I am no longer a family councelor,  and havent been for the last 7 or 8 years.

 To the others here: So much of what you all post is over exagerated.  Taking things out of context and using them to throw your crap in my face is useless.  You are missing your target!  The fact remains you will reap what you sow, none of us are exempt. 

He without sin cast the first stone.  We're all in the same boat so be careful!

End of story. [/b]

Now you are going to get all religious on us after you falsly accuse men of being abusers?  How holy of you!
KenC

[Misha]

Rose,

first-
 The post about me and my personal life were all taken totally out of context from another thread for the purpose of hanging me. For some reason some of the men here decided to jump on the band wagon and put me on trial.  I can only sumise from the response to my abused women post that many men here are guilty of such crimes and can't deal with facing the truth.  Why else would they be so over sensitive and retalliate?

To the others here: So much of what you all post is over exagerated.  Taking things out of context and using them to throw your crap in my face is useless.  You are missing your target!  The fact remains you will reap what you sow, none of us are exempt. 

Michael, you are starting to cross some lines here. I responded to your "facts" about abused women because you are posting data that is questionable at best. To go from there and saying that "many men are guilty of such crimes" is verging on libelous. Besides, your logic is warped: if I were to question stats on murder would that make me a murderer?

I believe that it was Scott who said that you were acting like a "crusader" when it came to abuse, and I am coming to the conclusion that you have adopted the mentality of an inquisitor. Unless we accept unthinkingly all your "facts" then we are guilty of some hidden "sin."

One final thing. Misha, don't you understand that a post is a public record. It is there in cyberspace. Everybody here is free to read everything that you wrote and pass judgment. I did not take the posts out of context, I simply copied what you wrote and there was a link where people could return to the original thread to read your ideas in their full context.

[Mod7]

Mishenka, it would be wise if you took some time off RWD and reassessed your motives for joining our community and posting on this board. Your current attitude is probably counter-productive to whatever you're trying to achieve here now .

[Mishenka]

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[SANDRO43]

Goodbye all.

Off in a huff. Maybe he'll write a song about us .

[rose]

I posted in the wrong thread

[TomT]

It wasn't your fault, Rose; your observations were reasonable.