Pick Up Artists in Ukraine

[ML]

I understand practically nothing in this thread.

Women are women; men are men.

I don't change, no matter where in the world I find myself.

Some women smile at me and flirt; some do not; no matter the country.

[Anotherkiwi]

I understand practically nothing in this thread.

Women are women; men are men.

I don't change, no matter where in the world I find myself.

Some women smile at me and flirt; some do not; no matter the country.

Relax, Grandpa!     Women everywhere will smile at a 90 year old, especially if he appears to have all his teeth.  Just settle back in your recliner chair    and let your lovely Gal take care of you. 
 
On a more serious note, however, I actually agree with your basic premise - I've never been a "player" and wouldn't know how.  As I'm also not a "PUA" I'm happy spending my time looking for that special person with whom I can form a proper long-term relationship.  It's taking a while, but I'm not in any great hurry - there are other things in my life which are more important at this particular moment.  If, however, that "special one" drops into my lap, my priorities are likely to change in a hurry! 

[IAmZon]

From ML - "I understand practically nothing in this thread."

The first time I heard of "GAME", I thought it was a "shame" that grown men were forced to do so much in order to establish communication with women.  Then, I saw a client of mine, 42 year old Neurologist in Manhattan use some techniques for demonstration.  I said, please don't!  I felt embarrassed for him as he approached 2 women WAY out of his league.  Minutes later I realized I needed to give that stuff a second look.  There is nothing wrong with trying to improve oneself.

From GQ - "If dating and/or getting attention in FSU is THAT tough for men, these places would have never become a region of the mail-order-bride."

Think about the implicit premiss in that statement!   Economic desperation produces "attraction" very effectively in Ukraine.

BUT, who would want to be the owner of such attraction?   Not me.

[Patagonie]

Good post Riv.

During a workshop i saw two guys getting both 11 phone numbers. And half in a night club.

GQ i think you are a natural, some natural are very good. The game helps disabled to get some "game" and improves their skills.
The focus on the east, demultiplied by the MOB business is to create a fantasy which will drain as many cows as possible to let them land in the "hotties Paradise". The field is a little different ... Not so sweet if you want my opinion.

[jone]

I'm wondering.  Just who was it that said ML had all of his teeth? 

[Boethius]

"I have never felt like a CHUMP as much in my whole life as I did in the time I lived in Ukraine."
Personnaly i have never felt such feeling.
I try to analyse why, in difference with Roosh or an OP here.
It seems to be first that i lived abroad till my 19. Second i think my style of game is sweet. And sex was the last thing in my mind, me letting to my native country to cover this aspect. So i was be capable to avoid it almost all the time in FSU focusing on personality an enjoying girls' presence. About this topic i stayed totally in control, which was an asset, except during my first three travels when i forget to check if scammers were genuine by confronting them with the not lying clause : how far are you from me my darling ? (the real touching and close distance and not the kiss on the cheek or just an arm under an other if you understand what i mean).
My willing was also crystal clear : i wanted a partner for life. Roosh tells it himself. He says that UW saw you as an husband or not. When you come just to fuck it screens you, add that they has a very good shitmeter and i think this why, exactly, some can feel like a chump.
Retrospectively i always had high value and showed it implicitly, enough to be the price, and not to FAKED it. All gamers who go in FSU and don't correct this line by continuing to play "i am the price" while wanting to make some notch are going to crash very quickly with FSU girls. Culturally all form of bragging are a low value for them.
So forget the "i am the price" attitude, the games like "the cube", all form of negs, ANY forms of negs. Building comfort is very important with an FSU women and forget all about what you are saying to built a sexual tension, this is ok in the western theater as men are gelded, but in FSU you don't need, they know that you have a phallus and you are expected to use it.
In fact i am questionning myself about what is the value (in term of dating and gaming) of Roosh. It is possible that in fact he never showed an high one in FSU. The second thing is, by what i read about what he did in clubs, if he was having this style, i would call a chump style IMHO. It is important to come under the radar of girls when you game, but FSU radar is very high technologies so i imagine that the strategy of Roosh, quantity of quick meetings, had been not so rewarded with picky FSU ladies, physically attracted or not (they are capable to sort men having upper considerations rather than pure attraction, which is of course an obstacle for a gamer).

Never heard of Roosh, but there was recently a small controversy when a number of people, including Toronto's mayor, did not want him to speak in Montreal and Toronto.  His talks did go ahead, to a huge crowd of 24 in Montreal (don't know about Toronto).  So, I read a little about him.


Reading this


http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/08/14/are-roosh-vs-bang-books-how-to-guides-for-date-rape/


I have concluded he is a misogynist who debases and devalues women.  Not anyone who actually likes women to emulate.

[Rick4G]

Ive never thought it as extremely difficult to pick up a girl for casual sex although figuring out where when and how to do it requires a  learning curve.  There are actually far fewer party types like that than you might think in Ukraine.   Distinguishing between those who might be a good prospect and those that are absolutely not, is also difficult and takes alot of observation.   The dynamics are even different between 2 clubs and locals know where the pickup spots are.
Unfortunately for us older guys, the younger ones are going to always have better luck because it is often about first attractions.   However,  there are still plenty of girls who think fit, well dressed men who are attractive are a good bet for a casual encounter.

I know most guys are looking for a wife.  Thats obviously the preferred goal but while you are looking for her, dont be lonely.
On many of the free sites there are many girls who dont yet have it all together as far as their future and simply seek out a guy to spend time with however long it lasts.  Ukraine is full of college girls who will happily give you a great experience for a couple weeks or even a couple years if you are a good attractive guy that isn't opposed to helping a girl out in life while you are together.

My opinion is that its a far better option than hooking up as its better for sex too because one night stands aren't nearly as good as it is after a few times and you learn how to it better together .  Best part is you can have more than one.

[Boethius]

So nothing has changed in Ukrainian dating dynamics since my better half's youth.


But this thread started with "Roosh".  He is anathema to anyone seeking any form of relationship with a woman.  He brags about raping women.

[ML]

. . . pick up a girl for casual sex although figuring out . . . how to do it requires a  learning curve. 

'How' referring to the pick up or the sex ?

[Anathema]

Wow, talk about a thread necro! 

So nothing has changed in Ukrainian dating dynamics since my better half's youth.


But this thread started with "Roosh".  He is anathema to anyone seeking any form of relationship with a woman.  He brags about raping women.

Source, please?

[Boethius]

In the link I provided.  He was under the mistaken impression his act was not rape in Iceland.  It was.

This is a man for whom a woman is just a receptacle for his semen.  Even his own descriptions of the sex demonstrate he understands nothing of female sexuality, and evidently, doesn't care.  Any man who uses this misogyny as a guide to "seducing" women is a loser.

[ML]

Where are the books for women on 'How to seduce a man.'

[Boethius]

Shortest book in the world.






I hlf.

[Anathema]

In the link I provided.  He was under the mistaken impression his act was not rape in Iceland.  It was.

This is a man for whom a woman is just a receptacle for his semen.  Even his own descriptions of the sex demonstrate he understands nothing of female sexuality, and evidently, doesn't care.  Any man who uses this misogyny as a guide to "seducing" women is a loser.

Roosh is a pretty well known (I thought) douchebag but holy shit at that site.  o_O  If that's your usual day to day reading, well, that explains a lot.

Specifically, this blog focuses on what I call the “New Misogyny,” an angry antifeminist backlash that has emerged like a boil on the ass of the internet over the last decade or so. These aren’t your traditional misogynists – the social conservatives and religious fundamentalists who make up much of the far right.

Wasn’t this blog called Man Boobz before?

Are you a feminist?
Well, yeah. Somehow this wasn’t really a big deal to anyone until I started making fun of misogynists online.

What’s with all the cat pictures?
I like cats.

brb, hating christ

Aside from this brief lapse I’ve basically seen myself as a feminist since, i dunno, my freshman year in college?

David Futrelle, writer/editor/cat entertainer

David Futrelle. I’m a freelance writer and blogger living in Chicago, and the guy behind the Confused Cats Against Feminism blog.

 

 

[Boethius]

He's entitled to his opinions.  But, it's irrelevant to the point.  And no, I don't read that site.  I just chose it because he picked roosh's words right out of roosh's book.  And yeah, roosh, by his own words, is a rapist who has zero clue, in all his pick ups, about female sexuality.  He plays on the misogyny of certain men who are stupid enough to buy his books and provide this neanderthal with a living.  And this is a guy some men try to emulate for success with women. 


Explains a lot?  LOL.  I don't need life lessons from some wet behind the ears kid.  You can come back and give me your take on life when you've accomplished something.

[Miquel Westano]

He's entitled to his opinions.  But, it's irrelevant to the point.  And no, I don't read that site.  I just chose it because he picked roosh's words right out of roosh's book.  And yeah, roosh, by his own words, is a rapist who has zero clue, in all his pick ups, about female sexuality.  He plays on the misogyny of certain men who are stupid enough to buy his books and provide this neanderthal with a living.  And this is a guy some men try to emulate for success with women. 


Explains a lot?  LOL.  I don't need some wet behind the ears kid.  You can come back and give me your take on life when you've accomplished something.

Roosh is an asshole and a phony.  He has admitted several times that some of the women pictured in his books not only have never have sex with him, but were unaware of their pictures in his website blogs.  He is a despicable POS that makes it hard on good men to meet women and be taken as anything but a sex tourist.

I doubt this guy has had sex with even a tiny percentage of the women he claims to have bedded and based on what I have seen in comments from women he has been with, his legendary status as a great lover is all in his mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2INybBpXkM&feature=youtu.be&t=16m42s

I am an open minded guy and consensual casual sex between consenting adults doesn't offend me a bit.  But lying to achieve it then bragging publicly afterword both seem pathetic to me.