She's bored, help!

[jinx13]

 Jack, I didn't say she couldn't remember, I said she was on the phone at that I would ask her when she gets off. I was the one that couldn't remember, but I know she went to Poland for something, maybe the interview?

 She came the last week of june 05', I want to say June 25th

[jinx13]

 It is Nataly. My Interview was on March 23, 2005 in Warsaw, Poland. I got a visa and I came to USA on June 23,2005 and in two mounth after living here I received my Green Card by post mail.

[William3rd]

YAAWWWNNNNN- I dont suppose somebody could lock/delete this string so it all can die a natural death? This is getting really really painful to read.

[jinx13]

 Haha, agree William, I tried to give you the last word, but it just won't die. I guess it's really hard to believe she won the Visa Lottery. What can I say, she's a lucky girl, she also won her first Texas Hold'em tournament she ever played in 

[jinx13]

To wrap it up (please) I would like to give an update to the original topic of this thread.

   Nataly is no longer bored!!! 

  She is working more hours now for a photo studio, she likes photography and is learning how to use photoshop and stuff like that, it was a hobby of hers anyway, so this is something fun to do until the start of the Spring semester.

 She also met a cool girl at work, and they are going to a Yoga class in the morning. The holiday's also have a way of keeping you busy, we both have plenty to do.

 Nataly ended up reading the entire thread, which was supposed to be a secret, but whatever, she mostly laughed off the insults and accusations, maybe I should have too, but I was being her "White Knight", thanks for the new nickname! 

 Thanks again for all the advice and well wishes, I appreciate it.  - David

[Jack]

Jinx had a little time last night and caught a little of this thread.

Some of the things I was reading, things some people were saying, were not adding up to me.

Now I know your big on people reading and not comprehending and you do not want to claim responsibility for people to misinterpret so I have read and re-read so I would not mis-comprehend.

A short time ago you told me that Nataly got here in late 2005. You have also written that you have "been dating over a year, the entire time she has been in the U.S."  If this is a mistake it is what you have written as I am trying not to misinterpret anything.  So you started dating Nataly starting about the end of June, first of July 2005 time frame, if what you wrote was correct and not a mistake.

You also write "She came to the USA and started life here with an controlling nut case older guy (two years older than you) who wanted a "slave", a "nut case" who was looking for a housekeeper, a bed partner, perfect woman.".............He "was the sponsor of my g/f when she first moved here, she was never romantically involved with him in anyway, he is the 40 year old virgin type, she was just his translator when he went to her city "looking for a wife". "........"Keep in mind, he's never been laid in his life,"

Jinx one thing I would like to ask you is do you really believe a 40 year old man is a virgin?  I mean, do you believe that and do you think anyone else would believe that?  Let me say I don't think anyone else reading this believes this man who has gone to Russia at least a couple of times seeking a Russian bride is a virgin and as you stated above, he was also seeking a bed partner.  And if you believe this I think you are the only one here. And if Nataly believes this then there are two of you. I doubt anyone else here believes it and wonder what proof you have to make such a statement as "Keep in mind, he's never been laid in his life."

When Nataly first got here she took a job as a nanny in California but because they only paid her $200 a month, she quit after the first week.  I re-read this two or three times to make sure I was not misinterpreting what you wrote Jinx.  So she get's here in late June 2005, early July 2005, and goes to work as nanny and quits after one week.  She then moves in with this man, you call him a nerd, say all types of bad things about him but I am sure there are two sides to every story so I'm not one wanting to call him a nerd or loser as you have. And if Nataly's friend is still living with this guy, paying rent, it's hard to believe she feel's like he is such a monster or she would have bailed out a long time ago.

Nataly lives with her sponsor from July 2005 until she moves in with you about September 18th. You write on November 18th that she has lived with you for one month, but on September 21 she was still in Ukraine. And I think it's evident she did not move in with you before she left for Ukraine, so when she returned from Ukraine sometime in late September she moved in with you at that time.

You write "She lived with him for awhile,".  AWHILE ?  July 2005 thru August 2006. That's a looooong while, but only my opinion I guess. 

"A total nightmare, a control freak, looking for a wife as much as for a slave to cook and clean his house. She has a visa and green card, but needed a place to stay so she put up with him." "She recently moved into my home with me, part out of necessity (she quit a nanny job) and part because it's the next step in our relationship." 

She quit her job as a nanny 13 months ago Jinx!!!  Am I the only one here who this doesn't make any sense to?

Now this is only my opinion but I don't think a normal self respecting girl would put herself in that situation, women want to feel special, and this just seems sleazy to me.  Maybe "sleazy" is too strong a word, but this is not something I would ever feel comfortable doing, living with a man who wanted a slave to cook, clean his house, wash his car, a bed partner. I can also see how it might be embarrassing for a woman to want there family and friends to know about this type of living arrangement.

You also write "She and I have been dating throughout all of this, I have helped her when I can".  Jinx, I know I'm kind slow and don't understand everything about life but WHY would, as you say, "an intelligent, University educated girl" put up with this type of situation, especially when you two are dating, hit it off great, and you have tried to help her out.

"He was not pleasant to live with, but he was harmless as far as putting the moves on her."   

He is her sponsor and he did this out of the kindness of his heart, not expecting anything in return?

Based on what you have said about your meeting with this man and the way he treated Nataly, and you have written you love Nataly, HOW could you allow this woman to live with this man under these conditions for 13 months! 

"We met here in California after a brief online friendship, and hit off great, been dating over a year, the entire time she has been in the U.S."

See, some things here just do not make sense. 

You begin dating Nataly in June/July 2005 but in March 2006 you have a lady in Volzhsky your helping with her English lessons.

Jinx you write "....I am a little different than most guys here in that I was not searching for a wife".   The lady in Volzhsky, she doesn't think you were looking for a wife?   

Jinx you write "but to travel so far, and invest so much time and money, you want to make sure you meet a lot of women"  Are you telling me that all these women you met were under the impression that you were not looking to get married, that you were just a tourist who was dating a lot of Russian women?

And while you are dating, seeing various Russian and Ukraine women, you are dating Nataly, you guys have hit it off great.

See, some things here just do not make sense.

"This guy, who is from San Jose Ca., also my hometown, was the sponsor of my g/f"
"My girlfriend came here on her own, she got a visa from the lottery system, she is not "GCG" she is just someone who wanted to come to America, and California. She just happened to move to the S.F. Bay Area where I live too."

Wow, what a coincidence. Can you imagine that. Your writing her on LuckyLovers and she has asked some guy who just so happens to live close to you to be her sponsor.

Jinx I have a little experience with the Diversified Lottery visa. The grizzled vet was a little off to the extent that what he was saying was true for Russia, not Ukraine. I know three people, well one of the person's is actually a family, who has won the Diversified lottery visa. Every year hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians apply for the green card lottery (as they refer to it). And every year the US Government allows a certain number of Ukrainians to immigrate to the US. Five and a half years ago a young man of 36 won the lottery and he and his wife and child were allowed to come to the United States. If one member of a family wins the lottery then the other members of the family are allowed to immigrate as well. You will have many family members who register for the lottery visa every year.

Two and a half years ago a young man I know of 31 from Poltava won the green card lottery.

And in November of 2004 a 22 year old lady from Kherson received notice that she had selected as a finalist for the lottery.  The way the lottery works they don't just pull your name out of a hopper and you automatically win, come to America. If your name is pulled out you are interviewed for this opportunity. This young lady of 21 filled out all the forms, sent them in and was called back for an interview in June 2005, the same month your Nataly came to America on her green card lottery. In October of 2005 this lady was called back for another interview and was told to come back for the final interview in March of 2006. She did and she was given a lottery green card, she now had up to 6 months to enter America on her Diversified Lottery visa.

This young lady came to America in June of this year.  My family and I felt privileged to be able to show this lady her first American Thanksgiving a few days ago.

I talked to this lady in great details today, as well to the other two men I knew who had won a lottery visa. I spoke with an Immigration attorney today for one hour. Each and everyone said NO sponsor was needed for a lottery green card winner. Each of these individuals received there green card within 30 days of there arrival into America. No one year this, or two year that, they received there unconditional green card within 30 days of arriving into America, no conditions attached.  Each said when they entered America at there various points of entry they had to review there application with an official and go over the address they had listed as to where they would be living and would receive there green card. If this address had changed since they had first filled out there application they had to create a change of address form. I assume that Nataly probably used the address of the man you are saying is her sponsor but again, NO SPONSOR is required for a lottery green card winner, none, nadda, zippo.  For Nataly to have won a Diversified Lottery visa she would NOT need a sponsor.

Then I questioned the attorney, the now young lady of 23, and both the men as to what they had to do to satisfy the US government about them being able to work and that maybe they needed a sponsor for this. Again, notta, nope, zippo, NO sponsor was needed to vouch for the financial well being of there lottery visa.
They did say, as the attorney confirmed, as part of the interview process that the US Goverment only accepts individuals who have at least a high school education or two years work experience in a particular trade.

Jinx you write "but I know he was required to sign a few documents and provide his income."  Yes, this is true with a K-1 visa application Jinx, NOT with a Diversified Lottery visa winner.  There is NO required documents from any other individual, NONE. No one has to provide there income as a provision for a Diversified Lottery visa winner.

You also write "You do need a sponsor on this type visa, and she does have a full green card and social security card."  WRONG Jinx, you do not need a sponsor for the Diversified Lottery visa winner and this person WILL receive a full unconditional green card and can get a social security card with no problem.

However you do need a sponsor for a K-1 visa and they need to show proof of income and within a certain time frame, and the time frame varies from a few months to several months, the K-1 visa recipient will get a green card and a social security number.

So Jinx the main thing I think that needs to be passed on to newby's here is that NO sponsor is needed for a Diversified Lottery Visa winner. The information you are passing out is wrong and I think it needs to be corrected.

[Kuna]

Hmmmm... can we hear from the "40 year old virgin" now?

OK OK... I'm KIDDING!!!

Kuna (but Rivardco made me do it!)   

[jinx13]

Jack,

 All I can say is wow!    I had no idea our story would generate this much interest, although I think you and JB are the only ones that care, I would like to start another topic and try to answer some of your questions. People that read the title might get confused because this has nothing to do with her being bored, which she's not anymore, now she has even more to do, she just pulled out her documents and showed them to me. Her letter the 'Kentucky Consular Center' is pretty much all the proof I need, but she has more too, maybe I can scan it tomorrow at work and satisfy all the non-believer's.

 I guess I did my victory dance too soon, now I gotta drive another 99 yards and then dive in the end zone and spike it real good! 
 
 The new topic will be titled "Strange but true, Nataly, the Untold story" after this topic, maybe we will finally have enough material to start our book 

[START2]

Great detective work Jack. We have friends that are applying for their GC lottery chance as well and it's as you say it is. I always had a suspicion that Jinxy and his little bimbo were trying to pull the wool over alot of peoples eyes. Whenever I brought anything to task with him/them there was always a 2-step. Now all of a sudden she's not bored anymore, at least till next month. Mamma D hit the nail on the head, and she'll use her looks body etc. as a means to an end.  Jinxy, you had every intention to generate interest. You even got a little BORED when the thread became a little quiet. She and you did not fool me. I'm glad you see this forum as a place for you to come and kill some time. Hmm, you must be bored

[Nataly2202]

START2, It seems like you are not satified with yourself if your day passes without offending people around or doing detective work on smb. I do want to let that topic die naturally but your recent post made me really angry. What kind of #@$%^ are you to give me names I dont desrve. 
"I'm glad you see this forum as a place for you to come and kill some time."
This sentence is exactly about you, THIS FORUM IS A PLACE FOR YOU TO KILL SOME TIME OF YOUR MISERABLE LIFE, because I dont think people in the real world want to spend that time with you. Please watch what you say!

[Mod1]

Instead of waiting for this to die a natural death I'm going to put it to sleep now.

No matter what anyone thinks of anyone else here there is NO reason or excuse for getting into name calling. We are all (supposedly) adults here so please act in the manner befitting an adult and not a child.

Thank you,
 Mod1