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Offline turniptruck

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Re: Give me your opinions/advice please? :-)
« Reply #50 on: March 17, 2008, 03:30:16 PM »
Here are the keys to my truck.  You sir, have earned them :P  Pretty good job.  I'm gonna give you an 8.  The posts were pretty bad, so for that I would have given you a 3 but since its 4 pages over several months?! o.O, at least an 8.  My hats off to you sir.

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Re: Give me your opinions/advice please? :-)
« Reply #51 on: March 17, 2008, 04:58:21 PM »
HazyKnight,

People here are talking tough and "rough" BECAUSE you are not listening.  Instead, you are rationalizing. 

Nothing that you have said in your recent elaboration makes her more appealing.  NOTHING!  In fact, your words show that she is worse than you originally described, particularly her response to questions.  A person who evades reasonable questions is hiding something.  She fears being controlled?  Probably, and to avoid being controlled she would spend all her energy in controlling you!

To continue this, please list here this woman's positive qualities with regard to her character.  Include other factors.  How old is she?  What is her education and job?  Is she beautiful?  Has she been married before?  Does she have a child?  Be honest with us and with yourself.  Is there anything that suggests she is your "faithful, humble, sincere, kind, affectionate, intelligent, woman"? 

I don't know how Faux Pas gave her 2 of 7.  Even assuming she is a woman is questionable based on what you have said.

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Re: Give me your opinions/advice please? :-)
« Reply #52 on: March 17, 2008, 07:00:08 PM »
Hazy, I think we're losing you so I'll give you some advice on what I think you're going to do anyway.

When you decide to visit your lady, tell her you want to visit her hometown. Of course I suspect she'll resist because I figure it's Spain she wants to see instead of you. But if she doesn't resist you coming, that's a good sign. When you're there, take her hand in front of her family and friends or even when walking down the street. Put your arm around her waist or shoulders at appropriate times. If she doesn't scream "rape", it's a good sign. Actually the only good sign is if she accepts your touch and not disgusted with you. Observe how she sits next to you. Is she aiming away or towards you? Does she cross her arms a lot? Does she make eye contact with you more than her watch? Does she enjoy her conversation with you or prefer silence?

Hopefully you have enough talent to melt the Ice Queen's heart and enough confidence in yourself that you can win her over without the help of a romantic city in Spain.

I still say there are better options out there than to roll the dice with this one.
Fund the audits, spread the word and educate people, write your politicians and other elected officials. Stay active in the fight to save our country. Over 220 generals and admirals say we are in a fight for our survival like no other time since 1776.

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Re: Give me your opinions/advice please? :-)
« Reply #53 on: March 17, 2008, 07:17:51 PM »
 

I don't know how Faux Pas gave her 2 of 7.  Even assuming she is a woman is questionable based on what you have said.


Gator,

I was giving her the benefit of the doubt on the woman and intelligence part. She doesn't get any kudo's from me for being a woman but she's obviously got some intelligence to her to have Hazy continue his pursuit of her. Theres not one good attribute toward him he's listed that I've read and yet he still contemplates a Spain trip at her whim. Beats the poop out of me.

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Re: Give me your opinions/advice please? :-)
« Reply #54 on: March 17, 2008, 10:11:56 PM »
Hazy-
you seem to have a geniune  willingness to really read the various responces, be appreciative of them ..
and you seem to have plenty of wits about you, and a good natured even temperment,
post very rational , and well thought out replies to menmbers her eeven when they tend to be rough on you.
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it seems your heads screwed on pretty straight ,and you run your own business .


You then completely contradict what any rational person would do,
by even contemplating seeing a woman again ,
that you had a horrible time with -
the ONLY  two other times in two years that you have seen her??


she is a stranger to you,
you wrote for a couple years now it seems? visited twice,
and there was :

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no kissing, no hand holding, no petting, or any affection at all. She's private and doesn't really like to talk. When she does, its only about our trip, not about her feelings to me, her day, her life at work, nothing.

yet at some point in time you filed for a visa.. but eventually let it expire..??


if i came to you and gave you this scenerio about an austrlian or canadian woman i met twice ,  this  was happening,
 and what should i do?

what would you advise me?
(you seem  sharp, and my guess is youd ask me *what the heck i'm possibly thinking?*
and to drop her)



RW are not from another universe.
as a generality they are very warm and affectionate to anyone they actually have interest in.typically fun loving ,
although often very single task oriented and focused to the task at hand ,
which can come across as stern or serious.


but just as imnportant-
 RW come in all shapes, sizes, and  personalities.
Some RW are weird or strange , or distant and cold,
(just like people of all countries can be)


forget the part that you traveled to see her..
(its not her fault you live half way around the world)

just answer to yourself the simple question -
would you continue to date an AW , after seeing her for two weeks, that acted like this woman ?

yes or no.

it really is that simple.

it has nothing to do with her motivations, good or bad.
it has nothing to do with wether she actually likes you or not
(she certainly does NOT love you)

all the speculation is pointless, if you simply would not date her if she was a local
woman behaving as she does. or a woman with this personality.

she doesnt really like to talk..
( that could be your cup of tea,but would get her dumped by most people on the very first date?)
she isnt even slightly affectionate in person.

youve had two completely mundane trips to see her.

to contemplate a third is crazy..lol
you may eventually break the cold  around this ice princeses' heart,
but you may never do so.
and even with a herculian effort and you manage the task..
 WHY would you want to?

what so special about her,
that you would focus any energy at all towards that??

When there are certianly woman that would:

be interested in speaking with you..
be openly affectionate and not require you to drag it out of them?



to me it seems you pressed a bit for 'i love you's' out of her.

you both, regardless of emails or phone time,
did NOT know each other ,
and still barely do.
regardless of her ice queen status, that can make any normal woman retreat.

wether its her not into you at all
(for any number of reasons, personality, looks , materialistic expectations etc)
i do not think you can go back in time and salvage anything with her..
you have nothing to salvage in the first place?

you have a long drawn out phone/pen pal relationship ..
with two lousy meetings spread over two years time..

(listen, i'm married, but was thinking that i see my tax lady more often and dont love her in the least,and shes just as affectionate as your *romantic interest*,but far more talkative)


its not about her, or you.
its just you two obviously dont click.
while realtionships can take some time to get started ,youve given this one its fair chances.
its not meant to be, noones fault,
if it had ANY hope, some spark would have happened long before now. 
so move on.

sorry for the long post,i should have just said-

I think if you  spent half the energy on someone new,
you'd likely be more than twice as happy with the results.

does that make any sense?



as far as number 2.
you ARE kidding right?
scam or not,
 forget her completely unless she shows up at your door.
if she does ,  call the cops!
as normal attractive women  ,do not-
fly around the world thru moscow , dying friends , and all this adversity to chase
some random stranger from the internet down to meet them.


 




« Last Edit: March 17, 2008, 10:20:30 PM by AJ »
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Re: Give me your opinions/advice please? :-)
« Reply #55 on: March 18, 2008, 01:59:03 AM »
Hazy,
Man, sometimes I just don't get you guys!  You look to RW to improve the level of women you are used to at home and then you end up chasing one that you would have kicked to the curb a long time ago back home.  What the hell are the endearing qualities this ice princess has shown you that you just cannot resist?  Maybe you are into self abuse? 

With all things being equal, a RW has to be far superior to what you can find back at home just to make up for the sheer inconvenience and risk of chasing her.  Instead of upgrading, I see guys like you chasing women they would not give a second chance to at home, let alone a third chance.  Why is that?  Is she so much hotter than the women you are used to?  Are you captivated by the exotic nature of having a foreign woman?

Go ahead and throw more money and time at a dead end by going to Spain.  Maybe even this ice princess can pretend to like you for a limited time on yet another trip.  But then you will have to wonder which is the real woman.  The one that pretends to like you now, or the one that couldn't stand you before.  (What you describe up thread is not the absence of "like" or "love", but total dislike for you)  Think about this though before you go:  Something changed her attitude towards you and it was nothing you did.  It was an event or an experience in her own personal life.  A rejection from another man maybe?  Only she knows for sure.  I wonder why you would even bother trying to force a square peg into a round hole. :cluebat:
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Re: Give me your opinions/advice please? :-)
« Reply #56 on: March 18, 2008, 02:32:41 PM »
Wow, that was a lot of information and feedback  :)

First, thank you all for your time and energy in this matter. I understand that you are all more experienced in this than I am.

I cannot respond to all of the posts, it would just take too much time. But I did read everyone's post, and understood what everyone said. I won't drag this out any further than it needs to be.

I am not swollen with pride. I'm old enough and experienced enough to realize I am wrong, inexperienced in these waters, and did not know enough about this whole endeavor. So I will heed all of your advice, and discontinue the relationship.

To answer some of your queries and to give you rationale as to why I dragged this out:
-I put up with all the problems with her is that I'm practically comatose in my work.
-It takes 2 to tango, and I admit I probably wasn't the most romantic guy.
-Meeting someone for the first time can be stressful, so her romantic side could have been supressed.
-Culture, communication, expectations, and simply personality differences could of lead to problems we encountered.

I look forward to receiving more advice in the future, and perhaps if my creditability has not been totally destroyed by this experience, try to lend help and advice to others.

Thanks for your time in this matter.
Best Regards,
HazyKnight

ps- This is just my second thread. Can't wait to see how I'll do on number 3 lol  :P :D

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Re: Give me your opinions/advice please? :-)
« Reply #57 on: March 18, 2008, 02:46:22 PM »
Hazy,

I think your credibility remains intact. Not because you say you'll follow the advice given but, that you actually listened to it and came to a logical conculsion. Whatever that conclusion may eventually be. To spend more effort and money on a relationship that doomed for eventual failure(if it hasn't failed long ago) while you could be applying those resources to a nurturing relationship really sounds crazy. An old saying from my late grandfather was "get busy living or get busy dying".

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Re: Give me your opinions/advice please? :-)
« Reply #58 on: March 22, 2008, 01:20:23 AM »
Maybe it's time you should move on to another woman. Evidently there is a lack of chemistry between the two of you unfortunately. You were able to move on and get over that Ukrainian woman. There shouldn't be any problems for you to get over this Russian woman. The battle isn't over yet so it is vital that you keep on fighting for your a princess that will love you for you. Best of luck to you.

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Re: Give me your opinions/advice please? :-)
« Reply #59 on: March 22, 2008, 07:51:46 PM »
Hazy, I've been at this for an embrassing three years with several trips.  I've done "visit one", "visit some" and "visit many" trips.  Regardless, one of the key things I've learned is that you gotta know when to fold 'em.

The moment I realize a girl isn't for me, I just pull the plug.  And that could be for any reason: that there is simply no chemistry, or that she isn't serious, that she exhibits some quality I don't like (such as drinking too much or she isn't that affectionate), or that I'm simply just not that into, or that she just isn't into me.  It doesn't matter what the reason is, just pull the plug.

Here in America, I've dated AW when I know it's not going to go anywhere.  It doesn't really matter, what's the harm of spending time with some girl if you enjoy her company?  In the FSU, however, time is very valuable because it is limited.  If you're a normal WM with a job and limited time in the FSU, don't waste it.

Since I learned the "pull the plug" rule, I've never regretted the decision to pull the plug.  The reason: with a clearer head afterward, I was always able to look back and say to myself, "yeah, that was the right call."  Plus, pulling the plug freed up me time to go chase other girls or just do something else with my time unrelated to girls.

It's definitely possible to pull the plug too soon.  (There have been a couple of posters on these boards that would pull the plug if the girl didn't "put out" after the first or second date.)  But that's definitely not your problem here.

You have a lot of guys here listening to your story and giving you the same advice.  Think about it.  Why isn't anyone here saying to you, "Hazy, keep on doing what you're doing... My present wife was cold to me for first three trips, and on the fourth trip she finally kissed me like she meant it, and now we've been married four years and been best friends and soul mates!"  Think about it hard before you make your next move.

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Re: Give me your opinions/advice please? :-)
« Reply #60 on: March 22, 2008, 09:46:04 PM »
Faux Pas, Raikov, and 2BitBandit, good thoughts...

When I was still considering going to Barcelona with her, I wrote her a beautiful letter, asking questions about the trip, her thoughts, and other things. She didn't write back for 10 days. I wrote her a short "I'm worried" letter. That didn't get anything. So then I pulled the plug, and that was about 5 days ago. I got an immediate response. She was pissed! Because this is the second time I've pulled it. She wanted me to call her, but I didn't have time, was too busy with the restaurant.

She's practically begging for me to come and see her, just to talk face to face.

Another poster said that I should tempt to see what her response would be if I said I would visit her in her home town. She played that card in her letter, saying that it didn't matter where we met, even for her to come back to her town, as long as she could see me again.

I then wrote back (this time I am beginning to rememeber all of the horrible things she's done to me) and asking if she was happy with that. She hasn't written back yet, its been 2 days.

Plug pulled.  :)

 

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