IP tracing? is this an exact science?

[mies]

Mies I think you are really misunderstanding me and the approach I took.

possibly.
By "women providing services" i meant everything a man is looking for and woman can offer. So in your case "services" your fiance is providing to you is her love, her open heart, human bonding, mutual understanding between you two, her being your fiance (since you were looking for fiance). I was not talking about sex only or sex-tours.

I meant something different when I said "you can't check a person" - there is no way for you to be sure that any woman (or man) is what you think she(he) is, and that she will remain the same 5 years from now, 10 years from now etc. You cannot verify it (at least not with the means you are suggesting). You can check that a woman named A lives at the address ********, RUssia. You can even verify that this is the woman you are talking to on skype, phone, e-mails. And there it stops. You can hardly verify anything about her personal features.
There is no procedure after following which you can get a certificate "_________ is my loving wife for the next 50-60-70+ years". And since you cannot check this sort of validity in woman - you are mostly wasting your time and energy verifying women around you. Being aware that scam is possible - is enough. Being reasonable and not spending money on scam, taking healthy precautions - is quite sufficient. Freaking out (and I am not talking about you - I am talking about anybody involved in this process) from thought that particular woman may be a scammer - is useless. There are about equal chances of being scammed and being robbed while you walk certain streets and areas. There is some probability that your car or its parts will be damaged or stolen. But you do not keep it in front of your mind all the time. All these are natural risks in life. People still buy cars, fly airplanes, live at the seashore and in the mountains with seismic activity, and do many other things.

I was contacted by MOB-scammers only (not counting all other scammers) at least several hundred times over the past 10 years. I even started responding them recently. Something like "Liuda, thank you for your e-mail. I am thrilled to know that you love me, and I am eager to meet with you. I hope you are interested in lesbian relationship. I am a very hot young girl, and will be giving you many presents if I like you. Please send me your photos (bikini and nude are fine). We can even live together at my house at Rublevka and I will let you drive my Lotus." Sadly, nobody ever responded to me :-(  I guess MOB-scammers are very old-fashioned guys, to the extend they don't want to benefit money from gay internet correspondence.  

On a slightly different topic - what do you think about this experiment: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment ?

[JR]

Milgram: very interesting. I think the percentages of obedience would be even higher in certain countries.
Brings to mind the ethics training I recieved in OCS. We were even given blocks of training on how to relieve superior officers of command if given orders which strickly violated the Geneva Convention or other "ethical" laws governing war.

[mies]

Milgram: very interesting. I think the percentages of obedience would be even higher in certain countries.
Brings to mind the ethics training I recieved in OCS. We were even given blocks of training on how to relieve superior officers of command if given orders which strickly violated the Geneva Convention or other "ethical" laws governing war.

that is interesting - about relieving superior officers of command. I didn't know such training exist.

i wonder how the person who went to that Milgram's experiment felt afterward - those who were giving orders to torture and possibly kill a human in another room. Like you walk in to the innocent university experiment, and you walk out being a killer, have come back to your regular family and work life, realizing you just "tortured" innocent person.
I bet most of those people never knew they have such "potential". Speaking of how you can check someone's personality. 

[Sculpto]

hmmm.. there is a missing post of mine.. paging Dan!

[Sculpto]

anyway.. this was my response to the question about following authority... which somehow seems to have disappeared..

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[mies]

these kind of videos make me sick in my stomach. But thank you for sharing it. What exactly are they shouting about?
the video itself is more related to the psychology of crowd, not following to authority. People act much differently in crowd than as individual.

[Sculpto]

this is the rebellion in Chiapas Mexico.. the military installed a base in their village for no reason.. the villagers took back the village

[Faux Pas]

Most men are not making these trips for cultural reasons.  While Russia is an interesting country, if not first for my ancestral curiosity I never would have gone. 

The difference is in what the real motivations of a man are.   Not many will ever admit it, but, a lot of men want the arm candy.. they want people to eye them with envy as they walk down the street with a much younger and very beautiful wife on their arm.  They want the trophy wife and they really don't care about feelings.  I think my posts clearly indicate that I am all about the feelings I have for my women and the feelings she has for me.  I made it to 45 years old without getting married because of one simple reason.. I never felt anyone deeply enough to marry them.  Probably that was something in me.. and maybe whatever that was has changed and I might have found what I was looking for much closer to home, but, being the demanding and often difficult person I am, I sought out, found, wooed and fell in mutual love with someone who understands me and has the same kinds of complexities which probably no one else would ever find attractive but I find to be something I can not live without. 

WOW Sculpt how could we have not seen from your posts that you were so much different in your pursuit of woman 20+ years younger than you? Imagine that, 1000s of men going to Russia for arm candy, women 20 years their junior and only you are the one with true feelings. How could I have missed that? It was all in your posts! Thank god you have an interest in your cultural background huh? 

[SANDRO43]

What exactly are they shouting about?

Sound is rather bad, I can only distinguish:

"...nuestro apel,
fuera ejercito de el."

"...our appeal,
out of it the Army."

[mies]

Thank you Sandro!

[Sculpto]

WOW Sculpt how could we have not seen from your posts that you were so much different in your pursuit of woman 20+ years younger than you? Imagine that, 1000s of men going to Russia for arm candy, women 20 years their junior and only you are the one with true feelings. How could I have missed that? It was all in your posts! Thank god you have an interest in your cultural background huh? 

I say this with a heavy heart because I love my girl...

Being objective.. she is not the most physically beautiful woman I have dated.  She saw pics of me with my Chinese XGF and on occasion has brought her up as being a lot more beautiful so why am I with her.  Chinese girl wasn't even close to the hottest girl I ever dated.  "A" IS attractive and when the light is just right she makes the blood rush to my head and the butterflies start swirling in my stomach.. but it is the whole person that made me fall in love with her.. not her looks or trim figure.  She is just as freaking crazy as me and when she saw in real life just how crazy I really am.. she grabbed onto my arm and hasn't let go.  She is a girl who isn't scared of anything.. and I scare her.  Same as me.. I am not scared of anything and she scares me.  She has been in the war zone in Chechnya.. I have been in the war zone in Mex and Guatemala.  How freaking awesome is that?  You think it is easy for me to find someone that is going to keep me interested?  Dude look at what I posted in the music thread.. take a look at those ten videos from Burning Man.  Thats TAME for me.  Women there BORE me.  Take a look at the vid I posted in this thread from Chiapas.  I was NOT at that particular event, but, I have been at similiar events and things even way more intense.  I have stood in front of a 15 year old soldier in the middle of the Guatemalan jungle with his American made automatic rifle pointed at my head and told that kid to "eff" off and put his gun down.  I am here to tell about it.   That is my life.  I live dangerously and that isn't going to change for any woman so for me to find someone who can not only tolerate it but thinks its cool.. I AM THE LUCKIEST MAN IN THE WORLD.     

When was the last time you picked your arse up out of your comfort zone???

Got it moron or is that too difficult for you to understand?  I suppose it probably is.  People like you usually are unable to comprehend that not everyone devalues people into commodities like you do.

[miladana]

Hi Bingolingo,

My hubby has a software company, if you want send me a mail at milasuccaci at gmail dot com and i will definitely let you know where the person is..the company has a software that will tell you where the email came from, when was it opened.. etc etc

hope it helps..

PS: its free

cheers
mila

Hey everyone,

Need to explain my situation here, hope someone can help....

I've been chatting via e-mail to a girl who I first spotted on a UK dating site which is free for girls to subscribe to. I pinged out a message and got one back containing a UK e-mail address and a welcome to contact.
I'd figured from the look of her and the sketchy english in the profile that she was Eastern European, but there are literally hundreds of thousands of EE's in the UK now, so this is nothing out of the ordinary.
I asked her where she was from(meaning originally) in my first mail and she responded that she was in fact a RW living in Omsk, and that she hadnt sought to deceive me, but that she couldnt register on the site with a Russian address, and that she had 'come casually' to the site having received a spam mail from the site.
I have tried tracing her IP, but it refers me back to the dead centre of London(google earth shows me the same centre, within a few hundred yards.)
Having exchanged several e-mails now, nothing she has said has given me reason to be suspicious that she is anyone other than who she says. Her photos are not slutty and I can see they have all been taken at different times,(hair length, colour etc...) and locations, (Home, Club, webcam, restaurant, black tie do) All looks perfectly natural and not professional shots.
She responds directly to questions in my e-mails, so i'm sure they are being read, and the time patterns check out.
I asked for her number, but in her next repsonse she asked for mine, I supplied it(whats the harm) and reiterated that i had asked for hers, and just received another mail containing a number, (middle of the night there so haven't tried it yet).
A google search of her e-mail returns nothing and i'm not about to compromise the integrity of any future relationship by indescriminately bandying her pics around various anti scam sites.
I've read examples of scam letters on various sites and wouldnt have been taken in by them, so i guess what I'm asking is, just how sophisticated can a scammer be?

Any thoughts welcome?

[Sculpto]

Mila.. anyone can do it in seconds via a variety of websites.. just need to know how.

and for your sake.. probably best if you remove your personal email from the forum so the spam searchers don't find you and flood your inbox.