Nice American Man wondering about his relationship with Ukraine woman

[mies]

 

[GQBlues]

Scott Jay, is that you?

 

SPLENDID !

Took the word right out of my fingers...I was actually enjoying the entire turn-of-events and the bull rush back into the frey. At least this time he's not a clueless casino owner who happens to have an affinity for cowboy boots, a 10-gallon hat, all on a well-busted young Russian woman.

Litigations must be getting pretty slow lately, LOL.

[mies]

Seems there are some inconsistencies in what you last posted. I don't understand how she could ask you for 5K for a wedding dress. This boggles my mind. It makes me think she was using you all along. She's betrayed you and she asks you for more and yet you want to remain friends with her?

I think the reason is exactly the opposite. The girl was not intentionally using him - she was taking it as a normal "relationship", and she was not planning to meet another guy. It just happened so that she did, and she chosen love/lust over money. Which is quite understandable. Since she never had a bad blood between her and Ken, she decided she could ask him for help same way she was receiving help from him before.

[Sculpto]

pardon my french, but you are very rude, obnoxious, and thinking in a very... let's say primitive way. If I were judging by you - I would say that USA is the WORST place to find a good man. I hope it gives you a feeling how offensive you are.

Mies.. sorry you are offended.. but if you read the OPs own words his X-GF DID brag to her friends.  Unfortunately Nikolaev has become over run with agencies in the Anastasia and HRB networks and they ARE the ones pimping the girls to unfortunately willing suckers willing to throw 20-30k into a fire for nothing.  

I am sure there are still good girls in all three places I named in my post.. but why go swimming in shark infested waters when there are so many other places with much less risk?

And, for the record.. I am not offended by your comment about USA men.. you are right.. lots of losers in this country.

[mies]

Thanks to all of you. I am enjoying the comments tremendously.
1st I will no longer be spending money on girls....

then you will never have a young girl 25y your junior  

2) if the girl does not Chase you as much as you chase her ... she is not into you.....

I do not think this rule will work. The women who may "chase" you- will be either women who want to get with your help to USA, or women who will be about your age (even though, I can hardly imagine a woman of 50 with dignity and self-respect "chasing" a man. You are looking for a "traditional woman" after all. I can hardly imagine a woman who is younger than your daughter could be, "chasing" you if she thinks that you are poor. That just will not happen.

[Sculpto]

I think the reason is exactly the opposite. The girl was not intentionally using him - she was taking it as a normal "relationship", and she was not planning to meet another guy. It just happened so that she did, and she chosen love/lust over money. Which is quite understandable. Since she never had a bad blood between her and Ken, she decided she could ask him for help same way she was receiving help from him before.

Mies.. I am really surprised by your comment.. while what you say might be true.. do you really think that is appropriate behavior?  If a girl did that to me.. sheesh.. she never would have even had the chance to do that to me.. but.. if somehow a circumstance came up.. the denial would have been a lot uglier than the one the OP gave the girl..

[Vaughn]

Why anyone is buying this ridiculous story from someone who purposefully replaces 'been' with the name Ben, 'any' with the name Anny and is apparently filthy rich but can't spell the word 'money', is beyond me.  

Jooky, I've had my own reservations about ken as well - reference his initial post - words like
tipical, financilay, frech, septembar, maried, marige, twords....  I find it difficult to take much
of this seriously. Are the misspellings intentional - or planted to see just how much folks will buy?

ken - have you Ben puling are legs ?

Like VinnVinny, I think (seriously) that this guy ought to take a few years off from any serious
relationships - and get his life in order. A journey to the FSU isn't part of that recipe.  

[Ravens9273]

Ken is supose to be a rich successful Engineer?
Last time I checked Engineers had an education and college degree.
This guy cannot even spell simple everyday words.

The only money he should be spending right now is on a good therapist. This is a Boy trapped in a Man's body.
He has the mind set of a teenager and lives in nothing more then a fantasy world.

Im calling all of this a load of BS!!!

[apple47]

Why anyone is buying this ridiculous story from someone who purposefully replaces 'been' with the name Ben, 'any' with the name Anny and is apparently filthy rich but can't spell the word 'money', is beyond me.  

If there was Anny truth to this story, this would be the last man anyone should be recommending to continue chasing young tail in Ukraine. I pity the imaginary daughter in this tale. Scott Jay, is that you?

                #1.   Every cliche' possible to describe an old fart with more money and no brains is contained within these many pages.
                  #2  If you   kens1958   are real.    Refer to #1 and read over all your posts very s-l-o-w-l-y and realize you don't possess the abilities required to deal properly with ANY woman,( or girls as you prefer ),let alone a RW and the complexities involved with that relationship.    
                      I feel you are below the maturity level of the youngsters you prefer to fall in love with and possibly have a personality problem and at the least an image problem that may require professional help.
                       In all your explanations in your posts to others,I don't believe you believe all the crap you expect us to believe.  I feel you have told us what you believe we want to hear/read and engineered your posts to put yourself in the best light.    I think you're full of crap.
                       In the interest of fairness to the more capable members that may still be searching in the areas you expect to be,  please don't inflict yourself on any more  woman/girls.   Stay home til you grow a brain.
                      
                         #3  If kens1958 is not real but is someone having fun with the forum............refer to #1....nice job..but....don't you have a life?

                         #4  Real or not ,I have much enjoyed watching my wife laugh her ass off at this ridiculous story.   Thank you for the entertainment.

                          #5 For those that think #2 was too strong or you don't agree and prefer a more kind ,PC approach.   Tough chit.  You'll get over it.   I've been on these various sites since late 2002 and the endless supply of delusional old farts that think they look young and somehow deserve a child as a bride and need to make babies has gone beyond my tolerance level with this idiot.  His box is so full of rocks a clue bat couldn't jar anything loose enough to effect a change.   He talks a good game,but,it's just  BS.

                                               y'all have a nice day.

                  
                                                                         ...Larry

[Sculpto]

supose

This guy cannot even spell simple everyday words.

I am just saying.. if you are going to bust on someone for being a bad speller.. you might consider using spell check first...

[Sculpto]

               ,PC approach.   

right up until something happens to you..

GOLDEN RULE is PC?

[Faux Pas]

mies...if you think for a minute this girl didn't know or suspect that kens intention were that of MUCH more than a friend all I can ask is, What planet are you on?

She knows very well what the "game" is and that he was looking for much more than a pen-pal. She soaked him pretty good. Do you have any platonic friends you travel 5000 miles for and drop 20K on?

[Faux Pas]

Jooky, I've had my own reservations about ken as well - reference his initial post - words like
tipical, financilay, frech, septembar, maried, marige, twords....  I find it difficult to take much
of this seriously. Are the misspellings intentional - or planted to see just how much folks will buy?

ken - have you Ben puling are legs ?

Like VinnVinny, I think (seriously) that this guy ought to take a few years off from any serious
relationships - and get his life in order. A journey to the FSU isn't part of that recipe.  

Vaugh, truth is stranger than fiction and I don't think you can make this one up

[Sculpto]

I have to go with Faux on this one...

Ken still hasn't told us which sites he was using.. but I am going to reveal a little something...

When I was in Odessa.. hanging out with my friend who was on HRB.. the one who eventually spilled the beans about the scam.. she showed me the site from the womens interface. 

For a long time she had been telling me I was a very good man on that site.. I thought she was full of it.. until I saw what the women see.

She showed me a collection of letters also.. letters from men in many different countries but mostly the USA.

Ken's story is unfortunately true.. and he isn't the only one, not by a long shot.  Unfortunately sites like HRB etc are designed specifically for men in Ken's  emotional condition.  Every word, every image, every idea on that site is designed to elicit a specific response in a man who has been beaten down a bit by the world and give him a false sense of hope for love and happiness.  (disclaimers always in small print and at least one link away from the promises)  They are the masters of suggestive advertising.  I got sucked into it.. hundreds.. even thousands of others do also.  Right now at this moment there are well over 100 ladies available to chat on HRB.  Most of them are sitting in a room with a terp.. so really there are twice as many ladies involved as are seen in the profiles and at least half of them are making their living at it.. almost all of them are having multiple conversations with different men.. when my Odessa friend showed me the site.. there were about the same 100 ladies signed on.. and over 300 men.. Anastasia's cam chat is even larger.. numbering in the hundreds of ladies and probably thousands of men.. many of them will have a story like Ken's if they get the nerve to get on a plane.  Nikolaev is supporting 60 or more local affiliate agencies.. small ones with 20-30 girls.. big ones with way over 100.. think about it.. its not that big of a city.. what 600,000 total?  The whole damn town is in on the scam.  Get realistic gentleman.

[Ravens9273]

I am just saying.. if you are going to bust on someone for being a bad speller.. you might consider using spell check first...

And I am not the one claiming to be a rich engineer either.

Got it!

[Gator]

Is Ken’s story fabricated?

His last post has some new revelations with some major inconsistencies that have me questioning the authenticity now that Jooky raised the issue.

-   Ken is claiming his money is tied up in divorce proceedings yet can slide $40,000 under the opposing attorney's nose and the judge’s radar.
-   He is claiming to have had a 30-inch waist that grew to 42 inches.  Looking at his avatar, I can believe the 42.  But who in the hell has had a 30-inch waist after their university freshman year?
-   He is claiming to have slimmed down to a 34 waist.  How can that happen so quickly at age 51?  And if the makeover was started some time ago, why use a chubby photo for an avatar.
-   He wrote “I am on a one year break from my own company as I finish off a divorce.”  In this economic downturn, who leaves their “own” company and then complain about having nothing to do?
-   If ken is a big shot, why show his photo where he could be identified.  Big shots prefer to go incognito, especailly with active litigation.  There seemingly would be a custody battle, and his wife would love to have information to show to the judge that Ken wants to marry 23-yo women from Ukraine to be the stepmom.  So why would he take the chance, especially with a photo?

There were inconsistencies before his last post:

-   He mentioned he was using Viagra at age 51.  Is this not really early?  But maybe this was needed to impress the younger babes he covets.
-   The man from Skype makes no sense.  Why would a woman who has scammed $20k in a few months reveal something that would make her golden goose stop laying golden eggs?
-      He seemingly was disappointed that his child is a girl and not a boy. 



Some consistencies:

-   A nasty divorce with forensic accounting and custody battles over a young child can tear at a man’s soul and prompt him to do some stupid acts.
-   A man whose self esteem has been diminished by a wife can be easily tempted by young exotic flesh. 
-   He joined in May (probably before he took his trip?).  Why wait over 3 months to tell a fabricated story.
-   Why did he disappear in the middle of this thread after he got everyone worked up?  Scott Jay would have kept it going while it was hot.
-   There are true stories of men who have given  strippers tens of thousands in gifts and expected nothing more than to be able to chat with them between dances.

Who knows?  Whether true or bull sheet, it is an opportunity for a lesson.

[mies]

mies...if you think for a minute this girl didn't know or suspect that kens intention were that of MUCH more than a friend all I can ask is, What planet are you on?

She knows very well what the "game" is and that he was looking for much more than a pen-pal. She soaked him pretty good. Do you have any platonic friends you travel 5000 miles for and drop 20K on?

Faux Pas, i am naive, but not THAT naive.. do i look like i am?  

It's all the matter of perspective. Ken viewed his spendings as investment, while girl viewed his spendings as courtship. He simply did not offer enough (in monetary and all other terms) to qualify for becoming a husband. Therefore - a girl does not feel like she owes anything, and she views their past communication as mutually pleasant. While Ken - because he didn't get return to his investment - feels very upset and thinks that a girl owes him - to the extend that he rather take away presents from her, and give them to some random poor people. I assume girl was not rich either. Do you think that it is very manly behavior to take back all the gifts that you once voluntarily gave to a girl you were dating?
Ken, you have disappointed me. Twice.

I never had a male friend who was interested in me solely platonic, but I had male friends who respected my decision and were eager not to pursue the romantic path, and stay just friends. Whether they were eager to drop 20K and fly 5000 miles? I don't know. For one - we lived in same country and even same city. Also - they did not have 20K at that time. I had several different men going half-world way to see me when i was telling them "please don't, i am not going to date you, you are just my friend, i am not going even to meet with you". Still they did. They probably spent couple thousand for a trip. But that was their choice, and I don't feel like I owe them anything. With some of them i did not even meet. I thought it would be too unpleasant for me to be listening their accusations of my cold-heartedness and unresponsiveness as if I absolutely have to love every man who happens to want me. And if I tell somebody "no", and he keeps writing me "we are great match i've planned everything"... what can i do with a person who cannot even hear me? Cruel, i know, but that's life.

[Sculpto]

Gator..

He is a lousy writer who doesn't use spell check or proofread before he posts.. he may also be somewhat mentally disconnected due to the emotional condition he claims to be in.  

Plus.. as I said.. I was privvy to the private letters of a bunch of men to my friend in Odessa.. offers of sex for money.. offers of money to be their GF or get married.. offers of travel paid in full to all sorts of exotic locations... all kinds of high dollar stuff from some real plain and much older guys.. the most sad letters though.. were the letters from the men who were obviously beaten down by life.. those were the letters that made my friend quit.. along with the "work" activities she was "required" to do at her agency.. she started to feel guilty about.. she felt pity on those men and wondered why they even had illusions of finding love in Ukraine.. then I showed her the Men's interface for HRB.. and all of a sudden.. everything clicked and she understood why things were the way they were on that site...

[KenC]

Faux Pas, i am naive, but not THAT naive.. do i look like i am? 

It's all the matter of perspective. Ken viewed his spendings as investment, while girl viewed his spendings as courtship. He simply did not offer enough (in monetary and all other terms) to qualify for becoming a husband. Therefore - a girl does not feel like she owes anything, and she views their past communication as mutually pleasant. While Ken - because he didn't get return to his investment - feels very upset and thinks that a girl owes him - to the extend that he rather take away presents from her, and give them to some random poor people. I assume girl was not rich either. Do you think that it is very manly behavior to take back all the gifts that you once voluntarily gave to a girl you were dating?
Ken, you have disappointed me. Twice.

mies,
You have this all azzbackwards, my dear.  Ken was the one doing the courting here and gave the gifts from his heart in an effort to win hers.  He only tallied up the damage upon the final rejection and from prodding from us.  All the time she was milking him like a prize Jersey (cow).  And yes, dear, he would have every right to mitigate his damages in taking anything back that is offered.  Which BTW, I highly doubt will ever happen.
KenC

[mies]

mies,
You have this all azzbackwards, my dear.  

maybe. but probably not
on a different issue:
how can a girl mitigate her damages?

[Mars]

And I am not the one claiming to be a rich engineer either.

Got it!

Rich or not, spelling is not generally a strong point with engineers.

An old joke goes:

Gollee, 4 years ago I didn't even know what an injuneer was, and now I are one.

[mies]

apparently i should read my private messages more often

[JR]

This still going on? Will somebody please call Dr. Phil!

[KenC]

maybe. but probably not
on a different issue:
how can a girl mitigate her damages?

Mies,
She has no damages,just $20,000 in gifts!'
KenC

[mies]

Mies,
She has no damages,just $20,000 in gifts!'
KenC

that depends how you view it. If you had to spend weekend with 90yo woman and pretend that you love her and physically desire her - i think it could be quite psychologically damaging.