Agencies discussing other agencies?

[BC]

I guess it all boils down to this:

The last person you want to ask advice about a used car is a used car salesman.

[jb]

BC,

Exactly~!

Aleksia,

I don't know how many times I've seen a man write, "My interrupter said  we were a great match", or; "After talking to the agency, they selected  ______ (fill in girls name here) as the woman who would be perfect for  me", or words to that effect.  Whenever I see such comments in a trip  report from a one or two week traveler I just cringe. 

Whenever a man takes advice from an agency regarding a prospective  bride he is disengaging his own brain and trusting his life to luck.   We have a saying here that says; "The road to hell is paved with good  intentions", no matter how good intentioned, or how well the agency  knows a  girl, they never know enough about both parties to make a  sound judgement like that.   They are just whistling in the dark as  they walk past the graveyard.

Every man and woman has to make these decisions for themselves.   Nobody, esspecially a MOB agency, can, or should, tell anyone whom to  marry.   If you doubt the truth of that statement then you should go  back and re-read Maxx's story.  Granted, his was an extreme case of  agency involvement, but the ending was predictable.   One can never  know the ulterior motives that lurk behind the actions of others.  I've  read so many stories of colusion and conspiracy regarding interrupters  that I've concluded that their words especially should always be  suspect if they start recommending one woman over another.  A man  should remember, no matter how much an interrupter may like a woman, he  is the one who has to live with her, not the interrupter.

I stand by my comments, a man should never take advice from a MOB agency.

[Aleksia]

Jb, to listen to an advice and to make your own decision is too different things. If a man is not thinking by his own head, maybe he should not get married at all in this case?!

Questions and advices can be different as well. Some advice you should listen and make your own decision, some you should listen because maybe another person has more experience or information. I am not telling the advice about getting married. Such things a person should decide alone! Without an interference of a marriage agency, friends, family, etc.

This is my point of view.

[Bruce]

Dan, I think agency owners discuss practices of other agencies and or their practices many of the times they post.   If you have agency owners posting you have to expect that from them, at least from time to time.  I reluctantly believe that agency owners should be allowed to post and do actually make an over all positive contribution to the RWD.   As JB plainly stated above, a person who reads a post written by an agency owner must understand that often a direct or indirect advertisement is within their message. 

Perhaps agency disputes are best handled in the "Anything Goes" section.  I see your reluctance to let directly competing agency owners air out their dirty laundry on the board.  The reality is that you probably are knowing or unknowingly protecting the agency and their owner by not letting them discuss their issues on your board.  Agency owners who show the seedy side of "MOB" hurt their industry, themselves and ultimately all of us who are married to a RW. 

JB, I like how you refer to interpreters as "interruptors."

Now, what should a good agency do for a guy going over to the FSU?  There are alot of things which I believe we talked about on other threads.  When it comes to the issue of picking out a girl for the Western male cleint.....If a guy is relying on the interpreter or agency to pick a girl for him he is in trouble.  The agency should be smart enough to instruct their interpreters not to do this.  A good interpreter and the good agency behind her should at least tell the guy which girls are honest, which girls are real and which ones honestly show signs of interest in their Western male client.  If a guy is meeting alot of girls on a 10 day to two week visit to a city and working with a particular agency, it is in the clients interest to say to "Joe American" that Svetlana ___, you know, the girl you met yesterday, has called back the office twice and came in this morning asking about you.   It is a good sign when a girl is requesting more information about you, coming back to the office inquiring about you etc.   It would be nice if the agency knows alot about this particular girl who is interested in "Joe American" and shares it with him.  It would be good if the agency said to "Joe" that if you are interested in Svetlana ____ she would be a good girl for you to spend more time with.  It also is important if "Joe American" is chasing a teeny bopper or any girl, say for example Elena V, who happens to be in the agencies data base, for the interpreter or the agency manager / owner to say to "Joe American" that Elena V is not into you.  They should strongly say "Joe" you could buy Elena V all the flowers you want, all the fancy meals, presents etc. - but you are wasting your time if you think Elena V will ever like you as soon as the agency / interpreters know what is going on.  Hopefully "Joe American" will know that Elena V is not into him within three meetings.  However, some guys just are not good at playing the game.  That is where an agency can really help them...............if they are a good agency.

[Bruno]

We have a saying here that says; "The road to hell is paved with good intentions", no matter how good intentioned, or how well the agency knows a  girl

" People say the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Why ? Do they think there's a shortage of bad ones ? "

Karm'Luk P'An Ku, "The joy of lucidity"

:D:D

[Kevin]

There is a fact that agency owners know what other agency  owners are doing in there own backyard.  I know which agencies in Kherson  are legit and I know which agencies have scammers employed to write letters  from Kherson.  I know of one agency that hires working girls to keep their  clients happy and another agency in Odessa that has ladies under 18 listed as  18 year old on their site just because they are pretty.

In Kherson we have
 one agency running an escort service and has married ladies listed on their  site that are employed by the agency. It also has full time letter writers responding  to your letters.

 Another agency in Kherson has ladies profiles online that they bought  from a local photographer without the ladies consent.

 Another agency has profile on the Internet that I have no ideal where  they got them from because not even the staff seems to know who they are.

 Another agency in Kherson has a group of professional scammers employed.

 An agency in Odessa runs a soft porn site with the same ladies that are  listed on his marriage site?  

 An agency in Odessa has ladies under age listed with the owner consent as 18.  

 An agency in Kherson offer a full money back guarantee on their site  but nobody has ever gotten a refund that I am aware of.

 A tour group that comes to Kherson/Odessa hires a local photographer and  model club to bring ladies to there parties.  Including a few married  ones.

The question is should I as an agency owner publish these facts about other  agency in Kherson and surrounding areas in order to help the guys avoid the  scams. Or should I allow them to scam other and keep my mouth/keyboard quiet  because they are competitors?

I understand the need for the clients to voice their complaints about an  agency. But if another agency has the facts shouldn't they also post this  information?

I also post agencies that I recommend that are competitors in Kherson on my  site. So don't think I'm trying to get new clients from posting about  competitors.  Those who know me also know that if I can't find them a lady  in my agency I will be sending them to other agencies that I recommend to  search.

I though I would just throw this into the conversation. I've been the blunt end  of attacks in the past from agencies that used underhand tactics and false  posting. But I never had a problem with a client posting his comments negative  or positive or any agency that is willing to put their name on the  posting.  If someone is willing to post a comment and stand  by it with a real name. I have no problem with it. Even from my competitors.

Thanks
Kevin Hayes
Agency owner.

[KenC]

Kevin,

I understand your problem: If you expose the bad agencies, it might look as though you are just trying to gain their customers, but if you don't, you will not be warning others of the potential dangers of dealing with these bad agencies.  There really is only one thing to do and that is to expose them for what they are.  As long as you are sure of your facts and do not exaggerate them, people will respect you for doing the right thing.  You can never expect everyone to agree with you, so you do what is right in your own mind.

KenC