What percentage of RW's under 40 smoke cigarettes?

[Taz]

Considering the average RW's concern (some say obsession) with her appearance, the fact that it has a negative effect on their appearance, it might make them think twice before lighting up. OTOH it may be a matter of simple economics having an effect. It seemed like cigarette prices were up and with the shrinking economy, maybe they are deciding to reduce their cigarette budget to help support their clothing and cosmetic budget... 

[Misha]

Do RW smoke more than AW; yes, overall, but not much more has been my observation.

My wife certainly observed differently when she visited her friends this summer (women in their late twenties or very early thirties). She complained to me on a number of occasions that when they would go out to a cafe or a restaurant, her friends would always smoke around her, and she found it very difficult to deal with. Almost all of her friends smoke and they have been smoking since their college days. My wife noted yesterday that when she was in college, one of her instructors asked the students who smoked. Only my wife and another girl did not raise their hands. The instructor then told the women that it would give them wrinkles and take away their beauty, but that did  not phase them. In my province of Canada, smoking is not allowed in any restaurants, cafes, bars or any other public places, so she had completely forgotten what it is like having people around her smoking.

[chivo]

My wife certainly observed differently when she visited her friends this summer (women in their late twenties or very early thirties). She complained to me on a number of occasions that when they would go out to a cafe or a restaurant, her friends would always smoke around her, and she found it very difficult to deal with. Almost all of her friends smoke and they have been smoking since their college days.

My observations have been different. If your wife's friends smoke, it means your wife's friends smoke.

Most restaurants, cafes, etc. in Moscow have smoking and non smoking areas now, and the non smoking areas are always full. So much so, that sometimes I have to eat in the smoking section.

Most if not all of the women I meet in bars, smoke.

My wife noted yesterday that when she was in college, one of her instructors asked the students who smoked. Only my wife and another girl did not raise their hands. The instructor then told the women that it would give them wrinkles and take away their beauty, but that did  not phase them. 

Some people will do whatever they want until it's too late.

I happen to take a mini poll in 2 of my classes tonight, and have taken this poll on numerous occasions with other groups. 2 girls out of 15 smoked, and the ages are 16-35. This is common with many of the groups I have had, and I've been out socializing with many of these people to know that they indeed do not smoke.
1-2 out of 9 is common, sometimes more, sometimes none. Never more than half...never.

I met 2 RW on Sunday at an English conversation club, and asked them if they wanted to go watch American football with me as I was leaving. They agree, so we went, had some beers, talked, kinda watched the game  , and spent about 4 hours together. Not once did they light up during that time and their ages were 20 and 23.

Nobody here is saying RW don't smoke, but if anyone wants to tell me 70, 80, or 90% do, then sorry, I certainly don't agree. 50% does seem more realistic to me. And again, like what happened in America 25 years ago, I think that number will decrease over the years.

Understand that every time I make a statement such as this and any other topic regarding habits, thinking, ways, etc. of RW, I do so having been around easily over 3,000 RW for an extended period, knowing most if not all in a very personal way. This doesn't include the RW I meet on the street.

Not 10, 20 or 50. This is what I base my comments on, and it's a pretty good cross section of women. I doubt any are barflys though .

And no, it doesn't mean I sleep with all of them , but I do talk to them about almost anything and everything.

chivo

P.S. I don't smoke either so I can relate to your wife, but I still stand by my comments.

[chivo]

A little of topic, but

I was thinking about that English conversation club, and to anyone who cares, it is a great way to meet RW in Russia. Of course they know English or they wouldn't be there.

If you find yourself in Moscow for any reason, or your trip has taken a turn for the worse with your lady, it is a place you can meet and talk to people. Lot of pretty women there, meets up twice a week and is definiately a social situation.

If you're not some prevert , you should at least be able to have tea with one who is interesting to you. Good luck

[Mars]

If you're not some prevert , you should at least be able to have tea with one who is interesting to you. Good luck

And wouldn't the same ability apply to actual perverts (or is your 'prevert' something more than just a spelling error)?  :-))

[chivo]

And wouldn't the same ability apply to actual perverts (or is your 'prevert' something more than just a spelling error)?  :-))

I'll let you decide. 

[Gator]

But in the office where I work - roughly about a half, I'd say.

To those of us who actually see women in other environments, and who know and see them on a regular basis, this is more the norm.

Then why did I encounter only one smoker in 20 RW? 

Easy, I asked the question before meeting them.  And please don't tell me that many were smokers yet chose to hide it from me.  Whether a woman smokes is readily discernible when kissing.  You can practice the test by licking a used ashtray.

The point:  if you do not like smokers, ask before you meet.

[Misha]

My observations have been different. If your wife's friends smoke, it means your wife's friends smoke.

And, your observations are somehow more accurate? You stated your observations, I stated my wife's. It could just as easily be said that your observations simply indicate that your acquaintances don't smoke

[Misha]

To clarify the issue, some facts would help. I recommend this article: http://rian.ru/society/20071114/88049032.html. If you look at the overall statistics, the number of women who smoke represents roughly 30% of the Russian population. However, research conducted a few years ago shows that women in the 20-29 age bracket are ten times more likely to smoke than women in their senior years. In other words, the rate of smoking for women under the age of 40 is much higher than women over the age of 40 and studies of women in professional schools (i.e. college aged women) indicated that 64% of female students smoked, only slightly less than the male students (75%). In other words, young women are more likely to smoke than older women and the rates for males and females are converging.

[NJ]

I STOPPED SMOKING couple months ago.

I agree that many women who actually smoke put in the profiles that they don't or smoke occasionally. I did. I agree with Gator that men who really care bring the question very straight way, so you can't use "sometimes" or "I can easily live without cigarettes" phrases. So if you really care - ask a woman directly.

As for the number of women that smoke: in my city (Cheboksary) I can't say that so many women do. And very often starting smoking in 16-18 they quit at 21-22 or after meeting a guy for serious relationships (like most of my friends did). When studying in University in my group among 17 girls were smoking regularly 6 girls, other 4 girls were smoking occasionally. Between those 6 girls who smoked 4 (including me!!!!!!!!) quit after graduation. Now at my work I know no woman that smokes.

By the way I mentioned that WM are much less tolerant to laddie's smoking then RM. Well, and this was also a very important motivation for me (as many guys say that smoking is one of the biggest turnoff in a woman).   

P.S. Davemann, you should read Allen Carr "The easy way to stop smoking". It helped most people I know.

[JR]

I STOPPED SMOKING couple months ago.

Congratulations NJ

[chivo]

To those of us who actually see women in other environments, and who know and see them on a regular basis, this is more the norm.



Then why did I encounter only one smoker in 20 RW?

You answered your own question below.

Easy, I asked the question before meeting them.  And please don't tell me that many were smokers yet chose to hide it from me.  Whether a woman smokes is readily discernible when kissing.  You can practice the test by licking a used ashtray.

The point:  if you do not like smokers, ask before you meet.

I'm not telling you anything, I'm stating my point from many situations I've been in. Let me tell you another way you can tell if a woman smokes...she lights one up. I prefer women who don't smoke, BUT I never mentioned that I don't like smokers, because I have dated some RW who smoked.

I have kissed a woman who smokes and can tell you that when they smoke Vogue's or some other very, very light cigarette, you can hardly taste it. remember I don't smoke.

You seem only to be argumentative here, but I understand why, believe me. You know, you rarely seem to post an agreement with me, but I have often got this as a retort. Try being a little less good old boy with your attitude, you know kissing ass with the people you like even when they say something stupid or act belligerent, and being like this to me because of your problems with your ego.

So, don't understand your point in the sense that I don't care if a woman smokes or not. Oh, and RW never lie, well to you.  

[chivo]

To clarify the issue, some facts would help. I recommend this article: http://rian.ru/society/20071114/88049032.html. If you look at the overall statistics, the number of women who smoke represents roughly 30% of the Russian population. However, research conducted a few years ago shows that women in the 20-29 age bracket are ten times more likely to smoke than women in their senior years. In other words, the rate of smoking for women under the age of 40 is much higher than women over the age of 40 and studies of women in professional schools (i.e. college aged women) indicated that 64% of female students smoked, only slightly less than the male students (75%). In other words, young women are more likely to smoke than older women and the rates for males and females are converging.

Yeah another survey you found to back up your point. Didn't you also talk about how the Russian economy was in the tank and the ruble would be, what 4000 to 1 dollar by now, or that we would all be killing each other, and a barrel of oil would be about $15 per. More information from your in the know friends in Russia.  

That survey is no better than mine, and I guarantee, I talked to more young RW than those who took that survey.

[chivo]

I STOPPED SMOKING couple months ago.

As for the number of women that smoke: in my city (Cheboksary) I can't say that so many women do. And very often starting smoking in 16-18 they quit at 21-22 or after meeting a guy for serious relationships (like most of my friends did). When studying in University in my group among 17 girls were smoking regularly 6 girls, other 4 girls were smoking occasionally. Between those 6 girls who smoked 4 (including me!!!!!!!!) quit after graduation. Now at my work I know no woman that smokes.

Seems to agree with what I said. Oh and from a RW, wow who would of thought.

I'm sure someone in the US or Canada would know better. Quick, find another survey  .

BTW, congratulations from me also.

[Ade]

P.S. Davemann, you should read Allen Carr "The easy way to stop smoking". It helped most people I know.

The only "easy" way to stop smoking is to really, truly, absolutely want to and to commit to it. Until I did this, no amount of nicotine substitutes (tried them all) or hypnosis (tried that too haha, what a joke) will work.

4 years ago I quit after 27 years of heavy smoking and it was relatively easy. I just reached the point where I just really wanted to stop. The physical withdrawal was not nice; shakes and sweating but after 4 days they were gone and the rest was not a big deal.

[I/O]

I STOPPED SMOKING couple months ago.

Well done you...!!! As with S/J, I've smoked on and off for 25 + years and very heavily the last 5-6 years. Mrs, her sister and her sister's husband all smoked lightly when I first met her. This last trip back to Russia in June / July, I was the standout as being the one left in a large group who smoked regularly. It didn't feel all that great on a social level.

I have quit before and like so many, I think I wanted to quit the addiction but not entirely quit cigarettes. Be in control enough to have one if I wanted and ................yeah, how we lie to ourselves. Well, time moves on and so does the thought pattern. Ask me why and I can't answer but about a month ago it hit me that these F&&&%^s have got to go. 2 weeks to the hour as I write I threw the packet and lighter in the garbage and haven't been there since. I freely admit I went to hell and back more than a few times in the ensuing days and am not entirely free from the withdrawl symptoms yet but for whatever reason, perhaps the hell I visited the first and second day, I just know, I just can't ever go there again, not ever, right now even when the twinge hits it angers me but I am in no ways tempted to fix it with a cigarette.

I only hope the masses of people (compared to here) in Europe who smoke and even a greater percentage in Russia, perhaps as many as 50% of the women folks in some locations and more of the men wake up to the benefits of not smoking. The biggest pest in the world is a reformed drinker or reformed smoker. I'm happy to join the ranks of total pests...............

To the OP's question, why he'd want to know is beyond me, I suspect from what I've seen in many areas it might be around 20% and in some areas up to 50%, however I am noticing at least the appearance of a trend away from smoking among the Russians I know. Hopefully all is as it appears.

[Misha]

Yeah another survey you found to back up your point.

Yes, because I prefer quantitative data when it comes to understanding how many people smoke or do not smoke.

Didn't you also talk about how the Russian economy was in the tank and the ruble would be, what 4000 to 1 dollar by now, or that we would all be killing each other, and a barrel of oil would be about $15 per. More information from your in the know friends in Russia.  

My, we don't like to be challenged do we  The Russian economy is hardly leading the world and Russian industrial production has dropped like a lead feather. Though, I will say that I am surprised that the price of oil is so high (which is Russia's economic savior). I expect that the other shoe will eventually fall when it comes to the global economy and prices of oil will then fall. Either way, without significant reforms, the Russian economy will still be hampered by ills of its own making (corruption and economic mismanagement).

That survey is no better than mine, and I guarantee, I talked to more young RW than those who took that survey.

All things being equal, I will always have more trust any legitimate scientific survey, no matter how many women you may or may not have spoken to.Your observations are your observations, and I do not give them more or less weight than anybody else's.

[GQBlues]

Very difficult to determine exactly what the percentage is, but suffice it to say IMO, quite a bit. My little sampling on my trip to Russia - fairly high. All of them but one smoked despite saying they didn't...

At the time it wasn't such a big deal to me because I smoked myself. So when I arrived and they saw I was a smoker, pretty funny watching them trip over to burn one down. This included my wife now. Their eyes just grew and lit up. I thought it was because they got a glimpse of me but now I believe it's because of the pack I had on my shirt pocket.

Shortly after getting married, I quit. I thought to do everything I can to make sure I hang around a little longer in this world. My wife also quit with me. I chewed nicotine gum to help me quit......the gum was very helpful but I still prefer cigarettes after sex.

Hhhmm...still chewing too, so I'm thinking maybe I ought to start smoking again to quit the gum.

[Gator]

I have kissed a woman who smokes and can tell you that when they smoke Vogue's or some other very, very light cigarette, you can hardly taste it. remember I don't smoke.

A comprehensive forensic examination of the oral cavity includes testing all crevices. 

You seem only to be argumentative here, but I understand why, believe me. You know, you rarely seem to post an agreement with me, but I have often got this as a retort. Try being a little less good old boy with your attitude, you know kissing ass with the people you like even when they say something stupid or act belligerent, and being like this to me because of your problems with your ego.

Actually Chivo, I like you.  Living in Moscow you bring a different and valuable perspective to RWD.  And I respect your writings and insights. 

So if I sincerely like and respect you, I must be a complete arsehole to some around here.  Not my intent.  I don't recall serious disagreement with you, so something is going on or otherwise I would not give you this perception.  Maybe I am hitting the wall. 

IIRC you have a Hispanic background, and most Hispanics I know do indeed have a warm, lively approach to conversation.  Attract more bees with honey.  Us Anglos could learn something. 

So, don't understand your point in the sense that I don't care if a woman smokes or not. Oh, and RW never lie, well to you.  

And I did care so I asked, and the particular RW that I mentioned clearly misled me. 

Related to the topic, do you agree that compared to AW, RW are more honest with regard  to information in profiles?  RW will specify their weight in kg and 70% are telling the truth and few grossly underestimate.  An AW will use terms such as "average build" (meaning large behind) or "athletic" (meaning no breasts) or "slender" (meaning she is smaller than her fat friends). 

Only one RW I met lied about her age.  39 vs. 43.  Why lie to man 20 years older?  I was searching for RW 40 or older and almost missed her.  I don't know if you meet women via profiles, but what has been your experience.

And if you disagree with me, fluck you.

[Daveman]

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P.S. Davemann, you should read Allen Carr "The easy way to stop smoking". It helped most people I know.

 

Thanks for the Tip NJ. I'll check it out. My big problem with quitting is that I really don't want to. I'm not merely addicted to nicotine, but frankly speaking, I love to smoke. The taste, the smell, I enjoy it immensely. I know I *should* quit, but the psychological addiction of giving up something I love is stronger than the leverage I can get on myself by considering the detriments.  Pleasure of the now is greater than the potential (even inevitable) pain of the future.  BUT thinking about family, and providing a safer environment for as well as setting an example for a child is starting to weigh heavily on my mind.  Perhaps that's the only leverage which will actually break the cycle.   

[Mars]

I STOPPED SMOKING couple months ago.

By the way I mentioned that WM are much less tolerant to lady's smoking then RM. Well, and this was also a very important motivation for me (as many guys say that smoking is one of the biggest turnoff in a woman). 

 
I add my congratulations.  And I can also affirm you are correct in that it is a huge turnoff for a woman to smoke.  I can't stand to be around women (or men) who smoke.  It is one of my main screening criteria when searching on the match sites: Non-smoker. 

I have encountered a couple of ladies who smoked, even though they claimed not to on their profiles.  Both tried to conceal it by having mints in their mouth often.  But once I got a whiff of the stench from their mouth (although the mints do some cover, a particular taste, although somewhat changed, still is there) and clothes - - - I was quickly gone.

Have no real idea of the percentages, but it seemed to be fairly low for women 40 and up in FSU.

To me, smoking is one of the most disgusting things a person can do; and totally stupid also from medical and monetary standpoint.  And unfortunate that in USA, the poorest people seem to be the ones who smoke the most.  Think of what their children are being deprived of in terms of money for healthy food, good health care, future education, etc., because the wage earner's money is going for the smokes.  Not even to mention the idea that children's growth and developing brain power is also stunted by the second hand smoke.

[JR]

OK, Who gave chivo a wedgie?

[Daveman]

The only "easy" way to stop smoking is to really, truly, absolutely want to and to commit to it. Until I did this, no amount of nicotine substitutes (tried them all) or hypnosis (tried that too haha, what a joke) will work.

4 years ago I quit after 27 years of heavy smoking and it was relatively easy. I just reached the point where I just really wanted to stop. The physical withdrawal was not nice; shakes and sweating but after 4 days they were gone and the rest was not a big deal.

Congrats to both you AND belatedly to NJ... boy does this above sound familiar... I even tried the hypnosis thing too.. yeah, what a joke.. that time I stopped for 5 years, it was exactly as you described.. for some reason I just got tired of it at that time and it was easy to put 'em down... too easy in fact, which is probably one reason why I thought I'd never really start back if I "only had one". 

[I/O]

OK, Who gave chivo a wedgie?

Phhhhhhhtttttttttt now I need to clean the coffee from my keyboard. TFF.

[JR]

Phhhhhhhtttttttttt now I need to clean the coffee from my keyboard. TFF.

U R completely and totally welcome