Should men seek advice from RWD?

[GQBlues]

GQ you are missing your calling as a comedy writer.  This is one of the funniest stories I have read in a long time.

But then again, I am not sure if this is meant to be comedy or an application for Sainthood.

In any event, I do not believe a single word of it.  

A complete fabrication on your part in an attempt to back up your 'current' comments in this thread on the righteous way to go about this endeavor.

LOL.

Mars, I take great comfort knowing my reality, based on your thoughts in this thread, is diametric to yours. Your disbelief is my source of validation, your doubts - my confidence. Your very presence compliments mine. It was always men like you that made life so sweet for men like me. The more of you, the better for us.

It's good knowing my reality will always be a fantasy for you. Thank you. 

[Gator]

Mars,

If you were participating at RWG when GQ was posting his plans and trip report, you would believe it.  Most of us remarked that he was overdoing everything, yet that was his style.

In addition, I met him in Moscow one afternoon during his trip. 

All the proof you need is the very lovely bride he found from Siberia. 

Each of us is different.  Accept it.

[I/O]

Each of us is different.  Accept it.

Brilliantly simple. These words should be placed at the heading of every thread. I’ve always thought any fool can design something complex but it takes a clever mind to design something simple.

[Blues Fairy]

Asked my husband yesterday what he would have thought of a hypothetical woman who, on a first date (on his hypothetical VM trip), asked him if he was visiting other women.  He said he would have considered the question legitimate, but "it would have killed the moment".    This whole "open and honest" VM scenario is too much like a business transaction, in his opinion.

[Mars]

In addition, I met him in Moscow one afternoon during his trip.  

All the proof you need is the very lovely bride he found from Siberia.  

Sorry, but I don't get what proof is offered by virtue his lovely bride??

I never voiced any doubt that he found a bride or that she was lovely.

A lovely bride in no way is proof that he actually followed the detailed procedures he posted here; apparently copied verbatim from his Sainthood application.

Even your meeting him offers no proof of the procedures.

I have a beautiful bridge for sale to those who are believers.

[KenC]

Sorry, but I don't get what proof is offered by virtue his lovely bride??

I never voiced any doubt that he found a bride or that she was lovely.

A lovely bride in no way is proof that he actually followed the detailed procedures he posted here; apparently copied verbatim from his Sainthood application.

Even your meeting him offers no proof of the procedures.

I have a beautiful bridge for sale to those who are believers.

Mars,
You're way off base.  Thousands of people read GQ's very detailed trip report including me.  And yes, he over did everything as he stated.  Now apologise and move on.
KenC

[Ludmila]

Bonaparte, (or so you would like to think about yourself, GQ)

 I nearly had an upset stomach reading your post about how you were "conquering" Russia.  Do you remember what happened to the general from Corsica and his conquering plans?

Your glorifications of your "generosity" and "honesty" (almost made me drop a tear) .... revealed a lot about your character.

Although it has nothing to do with you being  a naturalised American of Chinese descend, you do not represent a typical American man, his mentality ,system of values and cosm.

 Hopefully, Russian ladies on the list discard your approach to life and cynicism as atypical for American men ( exclusive of Ambach).

Hope, your wife ( with or without the help of her mama) will......take it into  account duely and timely.


Thanks Lord, that typical Americans are men like Mars, Gator, JR, Ken C and others.

[GQBlues]

Although it has nothing to do with you being  a naturalised American of Chinese descend, you do not represent a typical American man, his mentality ,system of values and cosm.

Chinese?    Anyway Ludmila, thank you for noticing I'm not like Mars.

and btw, Typical AMERICAN is an oxymoron these days. With or without a cosm. Whatever that is..

[Ade]

Asked my husband yesterday what he would have thought of a hypothetical woman who, on a first date (on his hypothetical VM trip), asked him if he was visiting other women.  He said he would have considered the question legitimate, but "it would have killed the moment".    This whole "open and honest" VM scenario is too much like a business transaction, in his opinion.

In my case it wasn't a direct question. I volunteered the information that I had stopped talking to anyone else because I wanted to focus on her and she volunteered similar information. It doesn't have to end up as an interrogation, in fact, my guess is that it's only with those people that have the social skills of a rock where that happens.

Seeing as we ended up married I guess the result was a far cry from "ruining the moment". I'd also suggest that this information should be made clear before the date so that both parties can decide if they want to have the date in the first place. GQ's methodology, although incredibly over engineered, is the most perfectly executed WMVM that I've heard of and I can't see how anyone can have an issue with it as it gives all the women a chance at an informed choice.

[JR]

GQ's methodology, although incredibly over engineered

Well he is like...an engineer you know

[Ludmila]

The proverbial engineer will learn the hard way there's a huge error in his state of the art calculations. You only have to wait. When that happens, will not seem little. My advice for GQ --  grab as many calculators as he can. 

[Ade]

The proverbial engineer will learn the hard way there's a huge error in his state of the art calculations. You only have to wait. When that happens, will not seem little. My advice for GQ --  grab as many calculators as he can. 

I'm extremely curious what you think this "huge error" is precisely? As I see it, GQ engineered a meeting environment with several women in an open, honest and sare I say it, efficient way. His methodology was far more likely to be successful than the sometimes deceitful blunderbuss approach I see other WMVM men employing. Sure, it wasn't a method that I would have used but then again, I'm not a WMVM type of guy. If I were, I think I'd consider an approach similar to his.

Not to mention that AFAIK his relationship is doing very well in spite of your dire predictions.

[GQBlues]

I'm extremely curious what you think this "huge error" is precisely? As I see it, GQ engineered a meeting environment with several women in an open, honest and sare I say it, efficient way. His methodology was far more likely to be successful than the sometimes deceitful blunderbuss approach I see other WMVM men employing. Sure, it wasn't a method that I would have used but then again, I'm not a WMVM type of guy. If I were, I think I'd consider an approach similar to his.

Pretty brave of you and thanks for the props, but believe me, it was a lot more involved than what I summarized above. I couldn't really think of a better way that will make it as fair and beneficial for everyone involved at the time other than doing it this way. Yeah, it would've been easier had I kept the other meetings hidden from everyone the way some people seem inclined to do, but I likely would have preferred not going through this at all if that was the only option I had.

As for the puzzlement of Ludmila's sentiments towards it, it has nothing to do with what's being discussed here. She likely didn't even take the time to understand what was being discussed. I know of the woman as she appeared on another board under the handle 'Lida' married to a Ukrainian man and was living in New Jersey. People immediately pegged her as a very unhappy and miserable woman with a serious case of superiority complex. You can easily see her posts in this board to support that fact.

She hates everything 'USA'. I once advised her then to just buy a one way ticket back to FSU and quit having a miserable life. So I just assume she keeps posting as she'll do a better job of projecting herself to everyone.

[Ludmila]

SJ,
replying to your question : because it is cynical, cynical, and again, VERY cynical, not differing from that of Ambach. IMO, Mssr. Ambach is , at least, more honest, doesn't hide his cynicism, and isn't trying to present himself as a WM.


I rule it out that this character trait will fail to be "appreciated" by any lady, who happens to be his wife ( present or future).  You cannot love a Russian lady with  Asian love, judge her world with Asian measure stick . That's what neither Ambach, nor GQ ever understood, and will pay a VERY HIGH PRICE.

I don't reply to GQ, because I don't like to waist my time, not because he is a naturalised American of Chinese descent  and Asian mentality trying to give himself off as a Western man which he never was and never will be.

[Ade]

SJ,
replying to your question : because it is cynical, cynical, and again, VERY cynical, not differing from that of Ambach. IMO, Mssr. Ambach is , at least, more honest, doesn't hide his cynicism, and isn't trying to present himself as a WM.


I rule it out that this character trait will fail to be "appreciated" by any lady, who happens to be his wife ( present or future).  You cannot love a Russian lady with  Asian love, judge her world with Asian measure stick . That's what neither Ambach, nor GQ ever understood, and will pay a VERY HIGH PRICE.

I don't reply to GQ, because I don't like to waist my time, not because he is a naturalised American of Chinese descent  and Asian mentality trying to give himself off as a Western man which he never was and never will be.

Ah, that clarifies the situation; you're a racist.

And, FWIW, you should check out the definition of "cynical" as yours is way off the mark and doesn't fit anything I've read from GQ, Ambach yes, but not GQ.

Here it is from dictionary.com just for you;

cyn⋅i⋅cal
  /ˈsɪnɪkəl/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [sin-i-kuhl] Show IPA
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–adjective
1.    like or characteristic of a cynic; distrusting or disparaging the motives of others.
2.    showing contempt for accepted standards of honesty or morality by one's actions, esp. by actions that exploit the scruples of others.
3.    bitterly or sneeringly distrustful, contemptuous, or pessimistic.
4.    (initial capital letter) cynic (def. 5).
Origin:
1580–90; cynic + -al 1

Related forms:
cyn⋅i⋅cal⋅ly, adverb
cyn⋅i⋅cal⋅ness, noun

Synonyms:
1, 3. Cynical, pessimistic, sarcastic, satirical imply holding a low opinion of humanity. Cynical suggests a disbelief in the sincerity of human motives: cynical about honesty. Pessimistic implies a more or less habitual disposition to look on the dark side of things, and to believe that the worst will happen: pessimistic as to the future. Sarcastic refers to sneering or making cutting jibes: sarcastic about a profession of faith. Satirical suggests expressing scorn or ridicule by saying the opposite of what one means: a satirical attack on his political promises.

[Ludmila]

SJ,
I would like to believe I am  a Christian, not Islam believer.
Racism is disgusting.
Hope, it helps .

[Ade]

SJ,
I would like to believe I am  a Christian, not Islam believer.
Racism is disgusting.
Hope, it helps .

True Christian's embrace tolerance and acceptance of other people's beliefs.

It seems to me (and to my wife btw) that your comments in this thread are far more cynical than anything GQ posted and they certainly seem racist.

Maybe we are just misinterpreting your meaning though as English is not your native tongue. Please feel free to elaborate and clarify. 

[KenC]

SJ,

–adjective
1.    like or characteristic of a cynic; distrusting or disparaging the motives of others.
2.    showing contempt for accepted standards of honesty or morality by one's actions, esp. by actions that exploit the scruples of others.
3.    bitterly or sneeringly distrustful, contemptuous, or pessimistic

I can easily see where one can come to a conclusion that GQ's opinions on this matter are cynical if they do not match his own.  Anyone that did not agree with his "overboard" disclosure to women (my opinion) was met with contempt and not up to his moral standards.

Luda identifying that GQ's Asian background may be the source of the difference from most of us with European backgrounds, it is no worse than the many generalities attributed to Russians here frequently.  Sorry, no racism there.
KenC

[GQBlues]

SJ,
I can easily see where one can come to a conclusion that GQ's opinions on this matter are cynical if they do not match his own.  Anyone that did not agree with his "overboard" disclosure to women (my opinion) was met with contempt and not up to his moral standards.

Luda identifying that GQ's Asian background may be the source of the difference from most of us with European backgrounds, it is no worse than the many generalities attributed to Russians here frequently.  Sorry, no racism there.

Interesting, Ken. Being fortright to what women can expect with me is considered being 'overboard' for you. Cool. To each his own.

As for nationality, I wouldn't mind being of Chinese descent at all had that been the case. The Chinese had definitely been one of the main contributor to humanity's overall makeshift today. Heck, even Peter the Great had more than mere recognition and appreciation to Chinese/Asian culture. Ironic too that she likely have more Asian/Chinese blood running through her veins than I do. LOL. IMO, based on her insinuation in this thread, she IS a racist at worst, ignorant at best.

[Boethius]

I didn't view Ludmilla's posts as racist.  She is referring to her perceived notion of "national characteristics".  It is not that different from the many posts here on how FSU women are different.

[Ade]

I didn't view Ludmilla's posts as racist.  She is referring to her perceived notion of "national characteristics".  It is not that different from the many posts here on how FSU women are different.

With racism there is at least an implied superiority of one's own race and an intolerance of another's. Sounds like Ludmila's post to me.

[GQBlues]

Boethius, if she's not a racist then she's just plain ignorant.

Considering the premise of her perceived belief implying negative connotation pertaining marriages in Asian culture, it would shock her to know marriages amongst Russian themselves are far more volatile than any of the Asian culture I'm aware of. Which, taken within the context of her offerring, IS an ignorant statement. Which for all intent and purposes is the grassroot of racism.

btw FWIW, I am not a member of the band of brothers touting RWs are different than any other.

[Boethius]

With racism there is at least an implied superiority of one's own race and an intolerance of another's. Sounds like Ludmila's post to me.

I viewed the post as cultural rather than racial.

Boethius, if she's not a racist then she's just plain ignorant.

Yes, I can agree with that.  The post was ignorant.

Considering the premise of her perceived belief implying negative connotation pertaining marriages in Asian culture, it would shock her to know marriages amongst Russian themselves are far more volatile than any of the Asian culture I'm aware of. Which, taken within the context of her offerring, IS an ignorant statement. Which for all intent and purposes is the grassroot of racism.

Hmm, I don't know about that.  Asia is fairly large.  I will say, in my experience, Chinese and Filipina women, like most married women, rule the roost. 

btw FWIW, I am not a member of the band of brothers touting RWs are different than any other.

Yes, I know that.  Nor does SJ.  My point was, this is often a general "conclusion"  or "accepted wisdom" on this board.

[KenC]

Interesting, Ken. Being fortright to what women can expect with me is considered being 'overboard' for you. Cool. To each his own.

Couldn't help but look down from your mountaintop yet again?  Point proven.
 

[Ade]

Couldn't help but look down from your mountaintop yet again?  Point proven.
 

I find it strange that you mock a man that obviously judges himself against extremely high ethical standards without, AFAIK, overly moralizing with those that differ in opinion. I certainly don't agree with GQ's position on everything myself but I can appreciate his honesty and integrity.

I wonder what you would say if Ambach said, "Couldn't help but look down from your mountaintop yet again?" to you?