Are RW's loyal?

[BrianW]

Before I ask this question, I must say that I know that each individual is different and that it's difficult to generalize, that being said, are RW's loyal to their man?

Is this a known cultural trait, like their stubborness? 

[Misha]

Before I ask this question, I must say that I know that each individual is different and that it's difficult to generalize, that being said, are RW's loyal to their man?

If they love him, respect him and have a good character, then the answer is yes in most cases. If the three conditions I noted are not met, then IMHO all bets are off.

[KenC]

Before I ask this question, I must say that I know that each individual is different and that it's difficult to generalize, that being said, are RW's loyal to their man?

Is this a known cultural trait, like their stubborness? 

Brian,
Some are and some are not.  I agree with Misha that it is all dependent upon the sincerity of the relationship.
KenC

[docetae]

Before I ask this question, I must say that I know that each individual is different and that it's difficult to generalize, that being said, are RW's loyal to their man?

Is this a known cultural trait, like their stubborness? 

They are not Golden Retriever.

[Shadow]

They are not Golden Retriever.

Yeah I tried many times and they never bring back what I throw away.  :evil:

[Gator]

I answer your question with my question:  Loyal to what?

If you are asking about her being part of a hierarchical relationship, forget it.  The words compliant, submissive and subservient do not apply to RW.  Their inner strength is phenomenal, and I find it endearing even if it includes a stubborn streak.  If pushed, they become defiant.  No one likes to be pushed, so it is better to try to pull her, or better yet stand beside her.     

Are you asking about fidelity?  My opinion is that RW culturally have a greater desire than an AW to have a man.  Thus, Misha's three criteria of "love him, respect him and have a good character" not only attain loyalty, the degree of loyalty is greater than what you would feel from a typical AW.  It can be smothering, something I dislike.

I did not find RW to be promiscuous, although I had my doubts about one particular RW.   Nevertheless, without looking for it or wanting it, a loyal RW may come into contact with that one man who....

[Bored1]

Loyalty like trust and honest are given to some point and earn the rest of the way I think depending upon the people involved and the specific relationship and the point in that relationship that they have reach.

Your question will have the same answer as asking if AM are loyal.  Some are and some not.  You cannot ask a general question and expect nothing but a general answer.

With the right mans in many cases it will be 120%.......or smothering as it may seem to mans. 

[Blues Fairy]

Is this a known cultural trait, like their stubborness? 

There's no such thing. 
Stubbornness is not a cultural trait either, it's an individual trait.  Some men just love to generalize. 

[KenC]

There's no such thing. 
Stubbornness is not a cultural trait either, it's an individual trait.  Some men just love to generalize. 

Oh, come on BF!  You know you are just being stubborn.  AGAIN!
 

[Gator]

There's no such thing. 
Stubbornness is not a cultural trait either, it's an individual trait.  Some men just love to generalize. 

And coming from you, no less.

I compare this generalization to a weather report saying that there is a 75% chance of rain.    

 

[Blues Fairy]

And coming from you, no less.

And you know me so well, don't you.
Don't forget we are just forum posters here, not real-life people.

[Jooky]

Stubbornness is not a cultural trait either, it's an individual trait.  Some men just love to generalize.

100% agree with you, Blues. The more time I spend in Russia, the less I agree with most of the generalizations that keep getting repeated here.

Other generalizations that don't cut it for me:

Russian women are argumentative and you can't win an argument with them. Russians are always late. Russians are rude. They never say thank you. They never say please. They never smile. Russian women are smart and educated. Three date rule... Blah Blah Blah...  

In my experience these traits are no more or no less common than back in the USA.

What I still agree with is that there's a higher number of young women who are slim, better dressed and better looking (for my tastes) than I see back home. But just wait until McDonald's hits Novosibirsk.

I do agree with some other differences thrown around here now and then, regarding roles in dating and marriage, but character traits are all individual.

[Gator]

And you know me so well, don't you.
Don't forget we are just forum posters here, not real-life people.

No, I don't know you at all, even with your pithy ways which are more revealing than obscure ramblings.  For sure you are too intelligent to be intractable, yet I feel there are some examples that could rest my case.  But let's not make this personal because that would get us nowhere.

Perhaps our definition of stubborn differs.   With RW I have had to reach down deep and use all of my patience and flexibility. 

BTW, BF, however we define stubborn, I am still one of your fans.  Mars will now accuse me of kissing up.

[Gator]

Forgive me Phil, I could no resist sharing your delightful story.

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=10607.msg207371#msg207371

So maybe it is an age thing?

[Doll]

Yeah I tried many times and they never bring back what I throw away.  :evil:

[XMan]

Generalizations about anything are by definition...general.  There will always be exceptions. 
Similarly, stereotypes exist for a reason -- a large number of a particular group of people have a specific characteristic, and magically a stereotype is born.  It does not mean that all men who like musicals are gay, or everyone who is tall loves to play basketball, or that everyone who works in technology is a geek.  But, the shoe often fits, thus the generalization or stereotype. 

I think certain generalizations about women are true.  (Such as, a majority of women want to have a child at some point in their lives.)   
Although I've met a number of RW and UW, i can't say I have met enough to say with any certainty that any generalization is mostly accurate.  One in particular could not have been convinced that smoking was bad for one's health regardless how big the mountain of evidence was.  I can definitely say that several I met had stubborn streaks as wide as the Kansas prairie, and it was evident within a couple of meetings.  That was enough for me.  Next.  But I met others who did not seem to possess that trait, or at least not in large quantities.   

Frankly, the most stubborn woman I ever met was an AW.  If I had a bulletproof, logical reason for doing something, but she did not like it, then anger was her only recourse.  In my opinion that is the WORST kind of woman.  I may feel very strongly about something, emotional, etc., but if someone presents a reasonable argument to me, I don't pout and bring up something that happened 6 years ago (I find nothing more childish than that).  I step back and think, OK, I didn't see it that way.  You have a valid point. 

So when I see "easy-going" in a woman's profile, a little bell goes off in my head because I am HOPEFUL that it implies that she is not as stubborn as my grandfather's mule.  Who wants to deal with an unreasonable person on a regular basis?  I have enough of that in my work environment. 

[JR]

Before I ask this question, I must say that I know that each individual is different and that it's difficult to generalize, that being said, are RW's loyal to their man?

Are you a man to her? Or a dog? A pig? A tyrant? A prince? Too much depends upon the dynamics of a relationship and the initial goals. If you are 65 and she is 18....she might wander just to get a little while she is waiting for the two-year clock to wind down, or for you to die. Do you withold the warmth and nurturing she needs or are incapable of giving it? She might find it elsewhere. Are you everything she ever dreamed of? She might stick around and make your life pleasant

[mies]

Are you a man to her? Or a dog? A pig? A tyrant? A prince? Too much depends upon the dynamics of a relationship and the initial goals. If you are 65 and she is 18....she might wander just to get a little while she is waiting for the two-year clock to wind down, or for you to die. Do you withold the warmth and nurturing she needs or are incapable of giving it? She might find it elsewhere. Are you everything she ever dreamed of? She might stick around and make your life pleasant

true. isn't it same way with any person - man or woman?

[JR]

true. isn't it same way with any person - man or woman?

Yes, exactly! Each one of us is a unique individual and will resist being placed into a mold. When two individuals are blended together you get something different as each one contributes to the "whole" that they become.

[Al_C]

No more or no less than an AW.   At least that has been my experience.

I suppose the stubborn factor is part of their environment.  Single RW have had to make lives for themselves in an economic environment that is not kind to women, to say the least.  So they learn to not take any crap from anybody as a matter of survival, and they will not take crap from their husband, either.  So if you don't want to be on the losing end of her stubborn streak, don't give her any crap.  You can be firm; in fact you need to be firm or she will not only walk all over you; she will lose respect for you for not having respect for yourself.  Just remember to respect her at the same time.