Russian women are not the best on the world

[wiz]

I didn't really expect you to change your mind.  Just pointed out how someone removed from the situation sees it. 

You took no moral high ground with me, wiz.  Rather than a direct confrontation à la SJ, you used subtle put downs. 

Incidentally, I also disagree with your characterization of Russian women on this thread, and agree with SJ.  I read your post to my husband.  Since the credentials of having lived among Russian women is the "objective standard" for expertise on the subject, I will disclose that he is a mix of Russian/Ukrainian, and lived among Russians for over half his life.  He rolled his eyes at the description.  I'm with Seeker on this one.  There are all sorts of people in every culture.

By making reference to "Feministic ideas" in  my comments at Aloe's thread there was no intention on my part to offend you neither to put you down. If you think that was the case then I do apologise for giving you the wrong impression!

Regarding the characterization of Russian women I have already explained:

"what I put in that list, was a surmise of comments found around this board from other members and also I added my own observations.!


Russian Wind

One think I can assure you is that I have no complexes whatsoever but.....

..I have observation skills and normally I am not far wrong with my observations!

As you must have noticed nobody has disputed my observations about Russian women! 

[RussianWind]

..I have observation skills and normally I am not far wrong with my observations!

It is only you who think so. It is typical some people who can't stand critics normally think they are followed 
I observe that you are overconfident in your opinions. You said "opinionated" about SJ? Haha about yourself three times.

As you must have noticed nobody has disputed my observations about Russian women! 

Did you read other posts except your own? Some people said they were disagree, others may not want to be involved in the discussion 

[wiz]

It is only you who think so. It is typical some people who can't stand critics normally think they are followed 

Do not forget I am not a young man anymore, so I must have some experience in life! 
Be sure I can stand criticism and stand my ground but you have to go and look to see by yourself, if what I say is true or not!

I observe that you are overconfident in your opinions. You said "opinionated" about SJ? Haha about yourself three times.

Yes I am confident and opinionated but always can substantiate what I say!

Did you read other posts except your own? Some people said they were disagree, others may not want to be involved in the discussion 

I did read what 1-2 people said against but nobody substantiated their comments and noticed the married men avoided or confirmed most of my comments, especially about stubbornness!

Now about your comments, I wouldn’t expect  anything else from a Russian woman! 

[Markus]

Hello again Wiz,

I want to give you credit for your efforts in supporting your position. I like your confidence. But, you have an opinion on this subject, which is almost as close to stating that the sky is white. And, in your mind your opinion is fact. You have stated nothing to support your claim as fact. But, you have stated many things to support your claim as only opinion. As I read your responses to other posters, I read some sentences that were difficult to understand. So I read your response to me again and noticed you said “You say that your wife is not jealous or possessive but she is highly opinionated.” I ask you, where did I say my wife was highly opinionated  (hint hint; read more closely)? If what I write is absurdity or stupidity, what I write stands on it’s own merit.  Please don’t misquote me.

We are similar in that I obliged to my wife when she wanted to change the home. I thought it was good before the change. Pictures of the way it used to be showed me I was wrong. When it comes to curtains, my wife makes them. For Christmas, she made me two sleeping tops, 1 is Dallas Cowboys material and the other one is John Deere. I picked out the material.

Next, please explain your thoughts, which I will dissect on the following comments:
Don’t tell me that she doesn’t keep an eye on you when you go to a party on how you interact with other females, whatever their status and if you become very familiar she says nothing afterwards? (I think I understand what you’re saying but why communicate so poorly. Say what you want and do it clearly. )

Mine I know does keep an eye but despite I am very sociable person and like talking to many people, I have never given her a reason to suspect foul play and as time go her confidence and trust grows stronger, so now she shows none of the above! It is natural, having left everything behind in Russia for our RW to feel insecure during the adaptation period and it’s up to us to make them feel secure. (Mine I know does keep an eye…? Are you writing a song? I’m pretty bad myself at typing English but surely you can do better than stringing together a bunch of prepositional thoughts here.).

Here is your statement, “I think I have made clear where I based my comments.” What does that mean? No you have not. Please say again where you “know” the facts that support your “opinion.” Now, be careful in your answer as you may be supporting your “opinion” rather than fact.

Wiz, you keep referring to “experience” to support what you say. Sir, my tenure at marriage with an FSUW is more than yours. Now, since you keep referring to people who you think have less experience than you, what does it mean that you have 4 years less than me in marriage to an FSUW (Using your thinking)?  By deductive reasoning, men married to an FSUW longer than me invalidate what I say and what I say invalidates what you say. Is that what age and tenure of being married to an FSUW convey? If so, the longer I go, the more correct I’ll be (not)?

An observation on my part when you said, “..I have observation skills and normally I am not far wrong with my observations!” Have you discovered something new? I thought that when a person expresses their thoughts about their observation that that person thought they were not far from wrong?

Wiz, so far you have supported your “facts” to the equivalent of me asking the Head Coach, Defensive and Offensive Coordinators of the Dallas Cowboys who is America’s most popular NFL team. These coaches all respond that the Dallas Cowboys are the most popular team. So, again by deduction, according to your reasoning, I can say as fact that “Most People Are Fans of the Dallas Cowboys.” My sample population was small but, “I have observation skills and normally I am not far wrong with my observations!” Does that fact that “I” think my observations skills are not far from wrong prove that the Dallas Cowboys are the most popular NFL team? I would be doomed if I tried to prove this personal fact. But, my choice of comparison isn’t very good because the Dallas Cowboys are America’s Football team. Can you imagine if I used your reasoning to support your fact as a reasoning to support my Dallas Cowboys statement on ESPN boards? What do you think people would say? They would rip me apart. Please show some facts rather than opinion or change "Most" to "Some."

To SJ:

I did not read anything you wrote that warranted the negative remarks about you. Wiz did state there is a history of disagreement. Well, I can attest to the fact that being the One Week Wonder for over 6 years, I experienced my quota of disagreement. I can handle some more too. Don’t let the opposition run you off. I don’t post very often as I’m comfortable with my lovely wife that was, according to the experts, a train wreck ready to happen..been married for 5.6 years. The result is perhaps luck or fate, but, I tend to think my wife and I had a lot to do with it.

To Seeker:

I’m glad to see that Wiz lightened up on you a bit. Your opinion is as valuable as anyone else’s. If you’re wrong, you will learn from your previous opinions. But, you have an opinion and that’s what most important. I had the “experience” thing delivered to me with confidence from the experts also. Now, those with confidence in their opinion way back when don’t know what to say today. And the clock keeps ticking. My hope is that what I had confidence in when I began continues. My confidence is not only in opinion but a lifestyle. I’m living what I believed in and what I set out to do; Find a lovely Russian
Lady as a wife. We accomplished our task and our goal is keep it going. I want to point out that the subject went from “I” to “We.”

Mark

[Dave13]

Wiz, Wasn't going to post, but your statement that " most married men avoided " provided me a reason! I totally disagree with your post and I've been married for over five years.

Dave

[Shadow]

Can't blame the girls though. Both chased a fantasy, both got it,
And in many cases both find the fantasy does not live up to reality.

[RussianWind]

Now she has her green card, she is divorced, she has money, and she is happy, the stupid old fat man is not happy, he is sad, the weak man thinks she really loved him and it was his fault and it takes years for the fool to forget his dear wonderful Elena.

Thank you for sharing your sad experience, Fred

[Seeker]

Sorry for hurting your feelings! LOL
Thats not my experience, I have never been married to a RW! LOL, thank god!

I am curious as to why you are here then...

[Faux Pas]

Sorry for hurting your feelings! LOL
Im 31 years old, I am not old, thats not my experience, I have never been married to a RW! LOL

Then from what is it you draw your experience?

[RussianWind]

Then from what is it you draw your experience?

He didn't notice sarcasm in my words

[Doll]

BTW, I mostly agree with the OP. Mostly- 95%.

[Doll]

I'll tell more- after 8 years here I still don't understand why AM seek for RW.
All this stuff in the OP is the cultural difference between AW and RW- the things that AM are not accustomed to. You want thank-you's and constant smiles, "honey-sweetie-pumpkin"? You stay in the country and marry local girls.
I am not offended, I agree to the OP. Just don't understand why AM are mad and keep comparing RW to AW.
I work in school and watch how all the little people are taught to be sweet and tolerant. It is good but they don't do it in Russia.
You don't like it? Then marry the local girls- they are very nice, pretty and quite "all set". BTW I like both- AW and RW.

[Jumper]

fred-
How can you summize that is the average experience?


seriously i know a lot of russian couples in my area..

most are happy and well matched..
MOST do not participate in any forums,. they are busy with real lives, not virtual ones..
or simply never heard of ,or sougt out , any russian discusion forum..


 The percentage of fat old men married to ravishing young beauties that only married them for  a GC,, is incredibly low
and is not the typical couple by any means.

but i agree that it happens..

[SMS60]

I'll tell more- after 8 years here I still don't understand why AM seek for RW.
All this stuff in the OP is the cultural difference between AW and RW- the things that AM are not accustomed to. You want thank-you's and constant smiles, "honey-sweetie-pumpkin"? You stay in the country and marry local girls.
I am not offended, I agree to the OP. Just don't understand why AM are mad and keep comparing RW to AW.
I work in school and watch how all the little people are taught to be sweet and tolerant. It is good but they don't do it in Russia.
You don't like it? Then marry the local girls- they are very nice, pretty and quite "all set". BTW I like both- AW and RW.

Doll, most of the time I would like to jump thru the screen and smack you on the hand with a ruler but I like what you said here. I have heard some of the same words.

If you are an AM and you are an emotional mess you are in trouble with some RW. Best to allow things to go in one ear and out the other.

[Simoni]

fred-
How can you summize that is the average experience?


seriously i know a lot of russian couples in my area..

most are happy and well matched..
MOST do not participate in any forums,. they are busy with real lives, not virtual ones..
or simply never heard of ,or sougt out , any russian discusion forum..


 The percentage of fat old men married to ravishing young beauties that only married them for  a GC,, is incredibly low
and is not the typical couple by any means.

but i agree that it happens..

Our experience exactly, AJ.  We have half a dozen AM/RW couple friends, and they are really happy together.  They know nothing of virtual places like this one, and are engaged in real lives together, raising their children and enjoying their lives. Yes, the men are older and the women are beautiful.  But who is complaining?  Not them.

[greg2654]

All this stuff in the OP is the cultural difference between AW and RW- the things that AM are not accustomed to. You want thank-you's and constant smiles, "honey-sweetie-pumpkin"?

This gets to the heart of it. Underneath the veneer both AW and RW are similar but AW are better at covering their emotions. With RW the face matches the emotion. I find this to be MUCH better although it took years for me to get used to it. To AM it comes off as being b!tchy but it's actually just being straight forward. I try to emulate this but years of programming and my own personality failings make it hard.

*************  GENERALISATION   ALERT !!!   ***************************

The main area where AW and RW diverge is jealousy. RW suffer from this much more then AW and it can eat them up like a cancer. The fight over keeping up with the Jones and her GF's can be nasty or costly.

[Doll]

The main area where AW and RW diverge is jealousy. RW suffer from this much more then AW and it can eat them up like a cancer. The fight over keeping up with the Jones and her GF's can be nasty or costly.

It's same- the cultural difference. All that you, guys, have mentioned IS the cultural difference.
RW are not "prettier" or "younger" of what reason is left for searching in Russia?
If you are honest with yourselves- you are perfectly aware of the reasons you can marry "prettier" and "younger".
Bottom line- there is no big difference between RW and AW(or UW).

[Faux Pas]

He didn't notice sarcasm in my words

I don't think he picked up on mine either. Seems fred is another misogynist drive-by poster.

[JohnDearGreen]

Yes the creator has been a little mean and has not left plenty of Diamonds lying around on the surfice! 

Yes, keep looking, you never know, maybe a rare gem will show up. 

I remember getting the 6am phone call from Ms. KrivoyRog from the mining district saying the train had arrived and she would be at my apartment in ten minutes.  I step out on the sidewalk in the snow wondering if the cab would be bringing high-heeled Ms. Right this time. 

The taxi arrives...she steps out...I see the hiking boots...the jeans...the ski parka...and the wool sock hat.  I step closer...no makeup...no new hairdo.......hmmm, this one was different.  We walk to the corner pastry shop for juice and a snack.  Then I take her next street over to the Khreschatyk Hotel for a rest until lunch.

Later she wants to go watch the football game on TV.  We taxi to the sports bar which is is noisy and overflowing with party animals.  The doorman recommends another location across town.  We walk in sports bar #2, there are a few bowlers in the alleys on the right.  We play a game of pool,  they charge me $20 for one game.  We then sink into the leather love seat and watch the finish of the football game.  Ukraine wins.   The lights dim and the music starts in the disco...

[Misha]

If you are honest with yourselves- you are perfectly aware of the reasons you can marry "prettier" and "younger".

I agree with you there.

Bottom line- there is no big difference between RW and AW(or UW).

And, what differences do exist, are so trivial as to be pretty meaningless IMHO. Really, does the fact that a RW will have some superstitions that differ from those of an AW, CW (Canadian woman), EW (European Woman) or WSMBFW (wherever she may be from woman) really make that much of a difference in the bigger scheme of things? Not really based on my experience. There is much greater difference between any women within any culture than between cultures, so the goal is to find the right match for you and hope you are the right match for her.

[JR]

I'll tell more- after 8 years here I still don't understand why AM seek for RW.

Two words Doll, younger, prettier...nuf said.

[RussianWind]

Two words Doll, younger, prettier...nuf said.

three. "and paying attention on you" 

How is your Ms Tashkent?

[Doll]

Misha, in the terms of the OP the women are different but just because AM are accustomed to American women. So this difference favors AW in their eyes.
RW are "too straight" while you never know what is on AW's mind- she can be smiling at you and thinking quite bad about you, the latter being just American manner.
 What is good in Russia might be weird in America. Nobody is better or worse- people are different.
AM definitely don't like a lot about Russians so- again- stay here and date the locals.
Jealousy? Sure, but where RW yells and b-thes yet she can be patient for years- AW just talks to the attorney with no waiting.
Something like that.
So the OP states what has been existing forever.

[OlgaH]

 What is good in Russia might be weird in America.

Okroshka for example

[greg2654]

RW are not "prettier" or "younger" of what reason is left for searching in Russia?

I think men are much better judges of what is a pretty woman then women are.
We all have our own reasons for looking elsewhere for a wife. I'll tell you this: If word got out that there was a million gorgeous, college educated women with killer accents in Toledo Ohio, there would be a stampede like has never been seen.

But, turns out they're in Russia and Ukraine so that's where we go.