new and lots to read

[JR]

I doubt they'll read it )))

[Jooky]

she barely got a few hours chat and that was it

So $600 bucks plus? If so, that is plenty!!!

[Jooky]

Matty, if you have the time and money, have you considered just going to Ukraine or Russia and spending a few months, maybe taking a Russian language course?

[myrddin]

i know its long and probably wont accomplish anything, but im interested to see what comes out of it

It might help them refine their scams

[BillyB]

here is my latest email to AI:

blah, blah, blah

You put a lot of time and thought into your letter. The feelings you've expressed in words will probably go into the trash. If they are smart, they will give you a few free credits to get hooked again.

Matty, someone had their hand in your pocket the day you've signed up with AI. If it weren't for all the pretty girls, you'd be a little more pissed that you've been robbed. You seem hesitant to blame AI but they set up the operation and rules or lack of rules for feeder agencies to follow. Not only did you get taken for money, you lost time playing the fantasy they provided.

I took a look at their success stories and clicked on the photos. None of the ladies who got married look like the front page model girls they advertise.

http://www.anastasiaweb.com/success_stories/index.php

[HazyKnight]

Matty to add to this my history, somewhere in the trip reports here if you have time to read more.

1st trip to FSU: 3 days in Kiev.
Day 1 arrival, when I got in the apartment met the woman, had dinner at a Unrainian restaurant that she found expensive.
Day 2: walked around kieven, wen to Pechersk lavra and visited her flat. Shortly after dinner she left.
Day 3: After visiting the Open Air Museum, I had a straight talk with her. We both understood that while we clicked as friends, we would not click as lovers. After that a great dinner and evening.
Day 4: She saw me off to the airport, and while this was in 2004, we still occasionally have contact. BTW she is now married.

2nd trip to FSU: 3 days in Moscow.
Day 1 arrival. After settling in to the hotel, called and met in a local restaurant. Talked a long time.
Day 2: visited the Kremlin, Winter festival and met her friends. Dinner at her friends, and a lot of vodka.
Day3: Met other friends, after that visited her parents.
Day 4: back to the airport. This woman is now MrsShadow.

As you see, if a woman is interested in you she will make time to meet you. Even if there is need for an interpreter, she will have time available.
If Iliona would not be interested, she would not have asked to meet her. But she knows you are there for someone else, and does not want to be only for consolation.

Ifyou want to know if she is interested, just ask her straight. If not, she will be able to help you find someone who will want to get to know you.

So Misha, do you recommend only short trips at first?

[Shadow]

So Misha, do you recommend only short trips at first?

Don't know about Misha.

As for me and probably anyone who is from Europe, taking a flight of three or four hours does not create any jet lag, and fir a first meeting two or three days time is enough to find out if you want to make a relationship, yet short enough not to get stuck in case it does not work out.

[brave girl]

I took a look at their success stories and clicked on the photos. None of the ladies who got married look like the front page model girls they advertise.
http://www.anastasiaweb.com/success_stories/index.php

Your words are truth!!    brave girl

[MattyB4]

Not heard back from AI yet, but i am making my own moves too. I wrote a letter, giving a full account of my experience, to The Times UK, We will see what the british press make of the situation.

[GregfromGa]

Not heard back from AI yet, but i am making my own moves too. I wrote a letter, giving a full account of my experience, to The Times UK, We will see what the british press make of the situation.

You are wasting your time. Consider yourself lucky you found out when you did. You can make it your quest and mission in life to expose this crowd all you want but there will always be some unsuspecting guy willing to pay money to chat with some 19 year old Russian.Ukrainian girl on the webcam.  While you were there did you make any other contact with a girl that you might go back and see? If so then you did ok. If not then you were told that you should be trying to do so. Again, consider yourself lucky.

[MattyB4]

As mentioned in my report i met iliona, as for "wasting my time" that remains to be seen. You dont know what the biritish press are like, they love this kind of thing, international scamming and scandal is where the big stories are for them. And even if they dont do much, a call from the british press makes a lot of international corporations shit themselves

[Shadow]

What do you think the publicity of their name in print is worth for AI ?

It will skyrocket the number of visitors from britain who all want to see if it is a scam for real, and a lot of guys may even think to have fun for $10.
Probably you will get a year free membership from this. 

[kievstar]

How many time do we have to say this - when you write an agency your not writing the girl.  Your writing to an agency worker unless you have met the girl face to face.  After the face to face meeting the agency worker will read the letter over the phone to the girl and the girl well tell them over the phone what to write to the man. The popular women receive to many letters to get excited and many men visit them.

Even some of the popular girls on Elena's models hire people to answer their letters (their own dime).  But these girls are easy to spot since they have been on Elena's models more than 4 years and best looking ones who are not serious. 

You live in the UK.  Get on a plane and visit many.  Once you meet one you like stop meeting others.  If this one does not work out, starting visiting more.  You live right next to Ukraine stop the letter writing and do the face to face plan. Stop wasting your time on letter writing and webcams.  The age of waiting a longtime between trips is over.  You will see men on this board preaching the letter writing campaign and webcam but its old technology. 

[MattyB4]

Skim read evident there.
I didnt write to this girl at all, our entire communication was by chat, with her cam on so that i could see it was her.
its all well and good saying "how many times have WE said this" but you forget that this site is not the omnipotent force that people here seem to think it is, it took me hours of searching on google to find it, because i wasnt looking for "russian women discussion scams" i was looking for "ukrainian culture food customs"

[UTRO]

'Matty, my Svetlana placed her Profile with a few Internet Sites.
One she didn't place with was Anastasia.
But, lo and behold I found it on Anastasia when I was first getting to know her.
Everything about Svetlana, including the photos, were her.
She was furious that it was there and wrote demanding it be removed.
It took them 8 months to remove it.
Meanwhile, I received a letter from 'my Svetlana' via Anastasia 3 months after she wrote to them!
Of course, it wasn't her that sent it to me.
I had a few Anastasia Credits leftover, so I read it with Svetlana at her flat.
Matty, this letter was nothing that Sveta would have wrote to any man. It was laughable!

Point is that Anastasia is a scam. I'm sure there are some matches made, who knows? Any Members here successful through Anastasia?

My two cents Matty? Look for a Russian Woman who has English comprehension so you can avoid Terps all together.

Good Luck!


 

[MattyB4]

in case anyone was wondering how i stay chipper, here is a little "Matty's recommended burn relief playlist"

AC/DC - Back in Black
Autograph - Turn up the radio
Tenacious D - Kielbasa
Quiet Riot - Come on feel the noize
Twisted Sister - I wanna Rock
Boston - More than a feeling
Van Halen - Jump
Thin Lizy - The Boys are Back in town
Kiss - God Gave rock and roll to you
Europe - The final countdown

If you arnt smiling after that lot, you arent breathing

[myrddin]

Matty, your thread title makes a point about lots to read, and it's true  

Given your last post about music, I thought I'd point this out: 

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=9589.0

[RussianWind]

I didnt write to this girl at all, our entire communication was by chat, with her cam on so that i could see it was her.

How did you chat with her if she speaks no English. Was it the body language? 

[JR]

How did you chat with her if she speaks no English. Was it the body language? 

Hehe! I just had a vision of Matt licking his monitor

[RussianWind]

Hehe! I just had a vision of Matt licking his monitor

 

[MattyB4]

Still no reply from AI as yet, they will say that it takes time to investigate my claims, but its more likely they are trying to work out the best thing to tell me so that they dont have to refund me any money.
Im not expecting anything back, but we shall see what happens. Ill keep you posted

[BillyB]

As mentioned in my report i met iliona, as for "wasting my time" that remains to be seen. You dont know what the biritish press are like, they love this kind of thing, international scamming and scandal is where the big stories are for them. And even if they dont do much, a call from the british press makes a lot of international corporations *snip* themselves

If you do happen to get the British press involved, how do you think they will portray you? Hero? Fool? The story may be more about you and how you were naive when looking for love overseas instead of AI. You may be Britain's poster boy on what not to do and serve as a warning for men to stick with women at home. I believe the British press can print some shocking stories...so shocking that is shocks the guy who gave them the story.

[JR]

The local women would flock to him. Matt would have a harem in no time at all....hmmm, perhaps that was his plan along? :evil:

[wiz]

If you do happen to get the British press involved, how do you think they will portray you?

Hero?

Fool?

The story may be more about you and how you were naive when looking for love overseas instead of AI.
You may be Britain's poster boy on what not to do and serve as a warning for men to stick with women at home. I believe the British press can print some shocking stories...so shocking that is shocks the guy who gave them the story.

Just a small selection......

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-171728/More-online-brides.html

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/dawn-porter-extreme-wife/video/series-1/episode-2/travelling-hopefully

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/books/article389215.ece

 

[MattyB4]

They said :

Dear Matthew,

Thank you for your reply!

First of all, I should say, that Anastasia does not pay the ladies for communicating with you.

Speaking about your meeting with the lady, I'd like to let you know , that we've got in touch with her and her answer was that she wasn't feeling quite comfortable during the meeting.

I understand, that this trip and the meeting were important for you, but, unfortunately, sometimes two persons eventually turn out not to match each other.

This date was organized by yourself, so we could not be responsible for the amount of time a lady spends with you.

At Anastasia we have our own Date Me service where we take care of every last detail to make sure that your date is a success, including carefully managing the location, translation services and contact details. The service is very popular with our clients and we organize many dates each week.

Before the date takes place, you should obtain the contact details of your lady via our Phone Introduction service and confirm the availability of the lady and of course the time and date of the meeting with your special lady.

We make sure, that during the meeting the lady spends not less than 1,5 hours with you, but we can't guarantee, that the lady will become your wife later on.


Please, let me know, if there's anything else I can help you with.

Best regards,

Galina, Customer Service
www.anastasiadate.com

to which i have replied:

That is not good enough quite frankly,
I know that the ladies conduct was more then just "i wasnt interested", as she was clearly trying to get me to pay for services which i had already paid for. If you had a record of my previous payments you will see that i DID try to have a video date with the girl in order to get her details, which conveniently had "technical difficulties" and so i had to get anastasia to exchange details for me.
I never accused anastasia of paying the girls for their services, but i do know that agencies make money for the girls which they forward into your service, and so there is big business in agencies recruiting girls and having them chat to many men.
You can try to fob me off with all the convenient excuses that you like, but the fact remains, i spent a large sum of money using anastasia only to learn that all the women which i have been paying to chat to, have just been professional daters and camgirls.
Anastasia has those women as "Confirmed profiles" and so it is anastasias responsability to repay me for the scams which i have been a victim of.
You have given me your response, and it is weak at best. i will now be confirming to the british press, that i do in fact wish them to investigate my story so far, and taking legal action based on the evidence which i already have, and anything additional which they discover.
Unless i get a full refund of all the money which anastasia has taken from me for using the chat service.

good day