Should the Topic Entitled "Adultery & Divorce - Do Russian...." - Become a 'Best of RW

[Bruno]

 but since the topic where i have wish reply is closed, it seem that here is a right place...

Maxx wrote :

What new law? The law I heard about that has been up for vote over 3 years now is about notification by the agencies if the male client has a criminal record. I haven't heard about any new law in regard to the INS refusing another fiancee/spousal petition for a US citizen if the US citizen has been accused of abuse. BTW everyone at the INS except maybe the people who clean the place know that these women file abuse petitions without merit. It's a well known legal scam. Have you heard Bruno of a law specifically limiting petitions for men accused of abuse? I know it would seem like it would make sense but the INS doesn't make sense in much of what it does.

It was not easy but i have find the amendment ( not yet enacted into law : but who know what can happen in a near future ! )

H.AMDT.584 (A011)
Amends: H.R.3402
Sponsor: Rep King, Steve [IA-5] (offered 9/28/2005)

AMENDMENT DESCRIPTION:
Amendment prohibits any person convicted of crimes of domestic violence as defined by the Violence Against Women Act from sponsoring the visa application of a foreigner.

AMENDMENT PURPOSE:
An amendment numbered 10 printed in House Report 109-236 to prohibit a person convicted of domestic violence from sponsoring a visa applicant in the future.


STATUS:
9/28/2005 5:01pm:
Amendment (A011) offered by Mr. King (IA). (consideration: CR H8476-8477; text: CR H8476)
9/28/2005 5:04pm:
On agreeing to the King (IA) amendment (A011) Agreed to by voice vote.

 

[Maxx]

Thanks Bruno once again.

My past record must look rather strange to an official looking at it. Spotless with one civil conviction of "pushing and shoving". A charge made against me 12 days after I filed divorce and separated from her. A charge and conviction based on her word against mine. Protective orders are handed out like flyers at the shopping mall.  

I have no doubt this amendment will pass. On the surface it looks reasonable and fair. Besides does anyone except us in our little circle care about the right to bring in an immigrant woman for a spouse?   

Perhaps people will now stop asking me to sponser their wive's sister or their wive's best friends? So with this new law these message boards really have nothing to offer me.

Of course if I wanted to marry a RW I could find one right here in America with a green card already in her hand.

So I leave you all with this final warning:

"Marry the wrong RW and she will leave you with a record and with it the inability to get a second chance."

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Hasta Rosna

 

Maxx


Maxx

 

[Charles]

To answer Dan's basic original question, I think this is an important topic, both from the standpoint of a RW committing adultery and vice versa.  A few years ago I was contacted by an RW that I had corresponded with years ago who remembered that I was an attorney.  She was an Aeroflot flight attendant and had started corresponding with an AM, and they got married in Vegas when she was in the U.S. on a flight layover in LA.   Turns out the guy, who lived in Rhode Island, was already married to a RW who found out about it.  So bad behavior can run both ways.

[BC]

Welcome Charles!

With all the legal / legislation threads going on I think your views will be quite popular here!

[Admin]

To answer Dan's basic original question, I think this is an important topic, both from the standpoint ofa RW committing adultery and vice versa. A few years ago I was contacted by an RW that I had corresponded with years ago who remembered that I was an attorney. She was an Aeroflot flight attendant and had started corresponding with an AM, and they got married in Vegas when she was in the U.S. on a flight layover in LA. Turns out the guy, who lived in Rhode Island,was already married to a RW who found out about it. So bad behavior can run both ways.

Hi Charles,

Glad to see you made it over here. And also happy, as always, to have your perspectives and opinions.

Welcome!

- Dan

[KenC]

I think Charles brings up a good point.  RW deserve to know about their K-1 sponsor's criminal record.  It is easy for us to take the side of a guy wrongly accused of DV charges.  Most of us here would never even think about actually abusing a woman, but there are some out there that do.  These women should get all the information before they come to this country.  The fact that maybe the DV laws need to be changed to protect the "innocent" offenders, is irrelevant.

I really thought about this because of the situation Maxx has found himself in because of the new law.  Well, let's think about it for a moment.  If a guy like Maxx (false DV charge on his record) is developing a relationship with a RW, wouldn't his past history be something the couple should share any way?  I know I had many a heart to heart with Lena about my past marriage.  The good, the bad and the ugly, she knew it all.  If an embassy worker brought up my divorce story (ala Sonar's story) it would have been "ho hum" to her as she was already informed by me.  In Maxx' case, he has chosen to share his story on forums with anyone who would listen, wouldn't it be a "given" that he would share it with his future wife?  After all the DV charge (legitimate or not) is part of his history.  The downside risk to the women for not being fully informed about the bad guys is worth a little uncomfortable explanation by the good guys.  It is a conversation that they should have had any way.

KenC

(Welcome Charles, nice first post)

[Bruno]

I really thought about this because of the situation Maxx has found himself in because of the new law.  Well, let's think about it for a moment.  If a guy like Maxx (false DV charge on his record) is developing a relationship with a RW, wouldn't his past history be something the couple should share any way?

Ken, i fully agree with you... women need to be protected like everybody... but the actual law is only the first step... now, they will prohibith someone with DV to sponsor a visa for a foreign women...

I don't think that administration will make a different between real bad guys and these who was "victim" of false DV from a GCG...

Now, it is only a proposed admendment... not yet a law... but when it will be enforced in Law, people like Maxx will not be able to sponsor a foreign women ( K1, don't know for K3 )... Of course, he is free to marry localy a foreign women and live in the country of his women... In so case, it is the "victim" ( Maxx ) who is punish !!!

Of course, the problem is not really these new law, the problem is previous one who make easy for women to make false DV... in case of DV, men is guilty before go to justice... action are taken before men is able to defend itself...

[Maxx]

Good thinking Bruno.

Really nothing will change because the majority of Americans do not care about men who wish to marry foreign women.

Take this poll as an example. 13 people have voted and 10 of those wish that the subject of divorce and deporatation of RW not be made a "Best of". Important information will disappear off this board as my thread at RWG did. My thread is locked there at RWG as Dan chose to do with C5driver's thread. My thread is on page 10 or 11 in the Advanced Section at RWG. Who looks back that far?  The same will happen to C5's thread. This BTW is not some fluff topic but a real eye opener to the risks of marrying the wrong woman, the need to choose wisely, watch your heart and so on.

At RWG Spencer and the moderators choose to make my 'eye opener' thread a sticky and a link to it is at the top of their "Best of" list. Does anyone really think that such a thread is favored by their advertisers??  

"Democracy", "Majority Rule" and "The Vote" does not always promote justice. It doesn't with the VAWA and the USCIS or now this new e-annoyance law. The majority of Americans do not care about us MOB guys and the majority of those here at RWD and at RWG do not care about the "C5's" or me in this venture. Such a hot topic makes them uncomfortable.

At RWG Spencer took the high road by not catering to his advertisers or the majority there. I give him allot credit for doing that.

Maxx

[Bruno]

Take this poll as an example. 13 people have voted and 10 of those wish that the subject of divorce and deporatation of RW not be made a "Best of". Important information will disappear off this board as my thread at RWG did. My thread is locked there at RWG as Dan chose to do with C5driver's thread.

Dan have say that the thread is stopped for now but that he is ready to open it again later !!!

And personaly, i think that it is to much early for make a "best of" from the C5 thread... not yet enough information, the story is only at his beginning... if in one month, C5 make a upgrade of his thread, he will be again in the top list...

[KenC]

Maxx,

It is not that we here don't care about you or C5, but come on man, move the phuck on!  (Both of you)  The thread in question here is a review of a man in a pathetic stage of his life.  Who wants to read that?  I feel bad for C5, but I am also embarrassed for him too.  The information is valuable, but you have to read through a friggen soap opera to get any of it. 

As for your RWG thread; who has the time to read through 42 pages? (or whatever it ended at)  What I do find very strange is that you get some kind of perverse pleasure in sharing your miserable story.  Move on and quit being such a damn victim.

KenC

[BC]

Maxx,

It's time to face the facts of life..  No matter how high or low or sticky your threads on the board are, they have little if no power over testosterone.  DHS could make your threads required reading prior to submitting any K application and folks would simply sign the dotted line that they read and understood without a second glance.

Quit fighting windmills.. either stop or keep going till you drop..  you cannot prevent folks from getting into trouble.. only help them if they do.

If someone PM's you about their RW/DV problems email them links to your threads and wish them the best.  If I see someone in trouble I'll do the same.. I'm sure others on the various boards will too.  Change your phone number put up the "do not disturb" sign. 

google "serenity prayer" and start looking out for Nr.1

[Maxx]

My points are; people should shut their mouths about RWG if they censor information here by their vote that they find disturbing.

As far as not getting through to people. Well one guy got saved to day. I got this mobile message 1 hour ago at 2:38 PM:

(I Won)She got  e200 maintenance, no barring or safety order the Police r not happy with her, she complained them

Testosterone doesn't always blind every guy.

And yes the guys in trouble will read through 26 pages of my thread and the 10 of C5's to find the answers they need. Frankly I don't give a damn about whether anyone else finds this boring, pathetic or whatever other other than the problem their vote causes.

Maxx

[BC]

Maxx,

You really have to get over yourself.

Read my post again.. and again... and again until you really understand what I said.

Your anger and ego is blinding you.

[Admin]

My points are;people should shut their mouthsabout RWG if they censor information hereby their vote that they find disturbing.

Maxx,

I sent you a PM with a more detailed response - but wanted to be sure you know that my decision to close the c5 thread had NOTHING to do with censorship. I did so out of a genuine concern over the welfare of ONE person - and that is c5. I provided him some online resources that are VASTLY more helpful for someone in his situation than we are here. I am convinced his time will be much better-served over there - than it is here.

I may have been wrong with my assessment of the situation (though I highly doubt it), but my motive for closing the thread was - most certainly - NOT out of censorship.

FWIW

- Dan

[Maxx]

I am not angry BC but I sure seem to be getting some you angry.

There is a core of selfishness with many men (but not all) who marry RW. As example men who marry childless RW half their age and then deny them the opportunity to have children. I discussed this with other RW and they agree with me that this is selfish. These men always advocate self interest but strangely they condemn Spencer for doing the same.

My point is to stop thinking about self interest all the time and do something that can have some lasting benefit to someone else.  I said "all the time". I agree we need to keep some self interest in ourselves. I just don't see why certain topics can't be set in stone for others to see that pass through.

Maxx

[Maxx]

Misunderstanding Dan ... on your part.

Locking the thread which I think is a good idea for C5 will cause it to sink out of site in time. Then the information there will not be readily seen for the guy who really needs it. Again there is one guy already who told me that his eyes were opened from C5's thread and he won't be wasting his time on pursuing false avenues thanks in part to C5's thread.

Making it a "Best of" prevents the thread with it's inforrmation from being lost (practically speaking).

Censorship? Censorship is the restricting of information. People do it all the time when they intimidate others into silence or use force by the use of the vote. The counter to this should be our "representative" Dan who should guide this board to a higher ideal than selfish pursuit. The popular vote leaves allot to be desired. Do we really want the gals from Antidate determining what gets posted and what gets made into a "Best of" for RWD?  May God have mercy on our souls

Maxx     

[BC]

Maxx,

Trust me - I am not angry. 

The things you point out in your last post are related to prevention through education and discourse.. not disaster recovery.

Preventing train wrecks and scams should be the primary goal of these boards imho.

This is not to say that disaster recovery is not important.. it is. Your story is very helpful resource to those who need it, many who are already in deep sh!t when they join a forum for help.

Believe me those that have been around a while know where to send folks that are in trouble and need info.  I can't remember how many times your story and links to them have been mentioned.  Good knowledge tends to be passed along by following generations and that is my point to you.  Your story will not just fade away..  even if you wanted it to.

I just hate seeing you run lap after lap after lap, totally exhausted in a race you won a long time ago.

Relax for a change..  CPR is not my favorite excercise.

[Maxx]

Thanks BC

Like I explained to Dan in PM I think C5's thread is a continuation of the GCG thread that has been made into a "Best of". I got my thread over at RWD made into one and I hope that this subject get's a complete covering here. Actually how to conduct one's self in a DV trial and the recovery afterwards has never been covered here or there. I get the shakes just thinking about addressing those subjects... Anyway I want to leave this whole business in the best way that I can. If I can't and this is my last effort, I won't feel upset.  

Maxx

[BC]

Maxx,

If it's any consolation I just googled terms like DV court russian and maxx..

You can be found all over the place within seconds in 'prime page' slots.

one example..

http://discuss.ilw.com/groupee/forums/a/tpc/f/902603441/m/82410445821/r/94310381921

'sticky' status is really not so important anymore.

Don't worry.. be happy!

[Maxx]

Here is my final crash and burn story to you.

I got this e-mail an hour ago from a guy that I have been in daily touch with. He was at his DV trial today. He actually used his nogen and pulled of a "Win" This is the letter edited as far as names.

Hi Maxx,
              You wouldn't believe the amount of crap that I had to sit through today. Marina went on for about 40 minutes about how my family treated her really badly. She had it all very well rehearsed and the lies were unbelieveable. I had to sit there and listen to her run me down, she tried the tears and the Judge told her there was no place for tears there. Her solicitor was really confident that they had a really good case going in until the skeletons started hoping out of the closet, first her sending nude pictures to another man on the internet and the best was the PI's report my solicitor asked her where she was staying and she said as I knew she would.... at her girlfriends ..... She was then asked if she had a boyfriend on these dates....."no"......."are you sure?"......"yes"........ "If I was to tell you that I had pictures of you with a man and that you were seen on these dates holding hands and kissing in the city what would you say?"
 
 
 
........ "that can't be possible" ........... the PI was called in to verify the pictures and the report and Marina was brought back up on the stand, my solicitor said to her........... "now will you say that you were with a man?" ......... "no he is my friend" .......... "did you stay in the B&B with him for the night?" .......... "no I was only visiting".
 
The Judge was quite aware that Marina was lying and her solicitor (a woman) was sitting with very red cheeks. I just love free legal aid.
 
The Judge didn't grant any barring or safety order on the basis that Marina was lying. I had called the immigration Policeman to the court and he found out that Marina was complaining about the Police and he is very unimpressed. She had a problem with her application for permission to remain in that I withdrew my support for it. Now she has upset the people that she needs on her side Now we just have to see what the court in Ukraine will grant on Monday next. My name remains untarnished by making Marina tell lies. The fact that she was with another man didn't matter, the Judge said that she could have 20 men, what mattered was that she lied and the court knew her as a liar now
 
 It was a very long trial. We started at 11:00 this morning and had to break after an hour, then we went back in in the afternoon at 15:00 and didn't finish until 19:25, the Judge reckons that we are silly people getting married so quickly. A good day for me in one way but she gets a lot more maintenance You can't win them all. I'll collapse now

 
Take care,
James.

 
I have been living in a different world in regard to RW than you guys.
 
I am going to retire on James' victory.
 
Maxx

[Bruno]

the Judge reckons that we are silly people getting married so quickly.

Maxx, i think that these Judge have make a comment who can be writen in the stone tablet... :cool:

[Leslie]

Misunderstanding Dan ... on your part.

Locking the thread which I think is a good idea for C5Âwill cause it to sink out of site in time. ThenÂthe information there will not be readily seen for the guy who really needs it. Again there is one guy already who told me that his eyes were opened from C5's thread and he won't be wasting his time on pursuing false avenues thanks in part to C5's thread.

Making it a "Best of" prevents the threadÂwith it'sÂinforrmation from being lost (practically speaking).

Censorship? Censorship is the restricting of information. People do it all the time when they intimidate others into silence or use force by the use of the vote.ÂThe counter to this should be our "representative"ÂDan who should guide this board to a higher ideal than selfish pursuit. The popular voteÂleaves allot to be desired. Do we really want the gals from Antidate determining what gets posted and what gets made into a "Best of" for RWD? ÂMay God have mercy on our souls

MaxxÂÂÂÂÂ

Maxx,

I am one of the guys who voted against this thread being made a sticky. Train wreck (including DV situations) are cautionary tales but why on earth should they be given greater status than the success stories?

The good role models on the boards are the guys that build a lasting happy marriage !

C5 is not a good role model.ÂSome of the advice given on that thread was good but you know you can see the same advice given over and over again on train wreck threads. This one is nothing special.

All threads age and slip down the board. Just like news. Virtually no one will read my story on RWG now.ÂÂÂIt is WAY back in the archives. It is a success story. It offers great advice on how to approach this endeavour. I am content with this situation.ÂMy story is nothing special.

Why should your story be treated (and this train wreck story) be treated any differently??

I think you have become so involved in mitigating the effects of failure that you have given up trying to succeed !

I think we need to include more success stories in the best of RWD. There are enough sad tales already....

[RacerX]

Maxx, I voted for the C5 thread because it is so laden with facts I think it has lasting value.

Truth be told, the egocentrism on this board will probably prevent any "best of" threads making it unless they contain contributions from those 500+ posts members.

Such is life.

[BC]

Truth be told, the egocentrism on this board will probably prevent any "best of" threads making it unless they contain contributions from those 500+ posts members.

RacerX,

I don't agree.  I voted against because imho this was a trainwreck story and imho has little real relevance to 'Scams and Suspect Agencies'.

If this section was called "[size="3"]T[/size]rainwrecks [size="3"]O[/size]r[size="3"] A[/size]ssociated [size="3"]D[/size]isasters" I would have voted yes.

I agree with Leslie that emphasis should be on learning how to do things well instead of allowing the board to evolve into a disaster recovery service.

This must be National Acronym Day.. The most valuable acronym I remember is "6 P's"

Prior
Planning
Prevents
Piss
Poor
Performance

[Bruno]

Truth be told, the egocentrism on this board will probably prevent any "best of" threads making it unless they contain contributions from those 500+ posts members.

I am a 2000+ posts members... and i have not post again the C5 thread... and i have same asking more info when the topic was closed...

And until now, the only one "best of" is "The true GCG" starded by Maxx ( a 500- posts members ) ( http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/forum11/845.html ) ... similar to thema that the C5 thread...

Almost forget, one of my thread is at the top of list ( it was before these idea of "best of" )... "Up-To-Date Exchange Rates" ( http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/forum10/396.html ) ... so, until now, only two thread are a top list ( i didn't count administratif topic from Dan )... and one is of these two have GCG for subject...

So, these board is not so much egocentric that you think...:cool: