Life Changes...Part Deux

[Lazarus]

Velena, if you would have me as a lover, you will find I'm not like the average man who lasts a few minutes and you'd be disappointed. I have stamina and you will achieve your daily orgasm if not multiple.

This is to much!
Will Velena become BB's sex slave?  :evil:
Stay tuned........


Laz

[Lily]

Why is age so important to some of you? 

Billy, I really don't think that you should listen to some age concerned people. Nothing personal to the particular poster members on my part, though. I truly pity people who believe that age is something that determines a person. If you Billy are able to attract women of high caliber - by all means, go get them. It is not about age, it is about personality.

On the sexual part, well...there is not just about how long can you endure. It may even exhaust a woman. Do you know that some high tempered women can reach their highest even without an intercourse?

On a personal note, I found your quoted long post very interesting, however, by RW standards, there might be too much of self-praise on your side. It may look fine for the eyes of an American person, however. Just a subtle difference in general mentality. This may occasionally revoke some extra criticism on the Russian part of RWD, but not necessarily so.

[BC]

Just a subtle difference in general mentality.

Subtle?

[ML]

Quote from: BillyB on Yesterday at 02:29:17 AM
Velena, if you would have me as a lover, you will find I'm not like the average man who lasts a few minutes and you'd be disappointed. I have stamina and you will achieve your daily orgasm if not multiple.

This is to much!
Will Velena become BB's sex slave?  :evil:
Stay tuned........:popcorn:Laz 

I have always been mystified by comments such as those of Laz.
No matter how much it is obvious that the pleasure is intended for the woman, those such as Laz (usually the women) will twist it around that it is for the benefit of the man.

I guess these people are left over from the Victorian age or some such wherein it was believed (or demanded) that woman not enjoy sex.

[ML]

On the sexual part, well...there is not just about how long can you endure. It may even exhaust a woman.

Lily, Billy was saying his endurance was for the benefit of the woman.

[Lily]

ManLooking, I think I understand what Billy said, however my point was that this kind of endurance may be less then beneficial for some women.

[Lazarus]

.... you will find I'm not like the average man who lasts a few minutes....

I have always been mystified by comments such as those of Laz.

Given your statement sir, I would contend that you will continue to be confused "mystified" by people who call to task others who enjoy bragging about their own exaggerated "sexual prowess" on the internet forums. 

Laz

[Zmejka]

I have been in Kiev for a week but only read this thread today.

Since I have landed I have been seeing young girls in the 18-23 age group to be orgasming uncontrollably in public all over the city centre. It has been reported in the news and TV and the doctors are scratching their heads to explain this phenomenon. Now I know why, it is because BillyB is in town and the pheromones or whatever he is releasing in the air are making the young ladies go into a state of immaculate orgasms, WOW, what a man!!

We want Billy
Where is Billy
Give us Billy
We want Billy
B-I double L-Y
We're all his
He's our kind of a guy
And ooh what luck
Cuz here he is

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAdD8ZSx1XA&feature=related[/youtube]

[Gator]

Did you mean , groov? 

I know little about Dolemite, yet Groovlstk was starting to turn me on. 

Much of my professional work involved geology and ground water, and dolomite is a type of limestone yielding exceptional ground water. Another example of dolomite - the alps of Northern Italy.

Now wasn't this more interesting than Billy's sexual escapades?  No!

[GQBlues]

I think we're still on topic...

...but yes Gator, we'd likely have something else to chat about when time comes and we crossed path somewhere in FSU again. I'm not a geologist but my primary line of work do in fact involve handling of and removal, relocation, replacement, re-shaping surficial weathered/unweathered tectonic land masses, which in Socal can be anywhere from the granitic/volcanic, limestone/sandtone/mustone sediments, including but not limited to layers of alluvial/colluvial sandy/silt type material. This - just so some folks can have a place they can call their happy home.

IIRC, BillyB is also involved in the business that gets his fingernails 'dirty' like I do.

But I digress, just thought talking about 'rock' is not too far off considering Billy is close to always being 'hard' & 'on' most of the time.

Matter of fact, methinks that with Billy's RWD rock hard persona - "Dyn-O-Mite" - is not too far off topic. Rock and Mr Dolemite, in this instance, seem closer than it appears. 

[Gator]

I have always been mystified by comments such as those of Laz.
No matter how much it is obvious that the pleasure is intended for the woman, those such as Laz (usually the women) will twist it around that it is for the benefit of the man.

Isn't mutual pleasure the best?  Also, I am not sure Laz meant what you inferred.  He will need to speak for himself, however.

I guess these people are left over from the Victorian age or some such wherein it was believed (or demanded) that woman not enjoy sex.

Do you actually believe anybody today has that opinion other than remote tribes in Africa who practice female genital mutilation?  Actually Victorian repression of heterosexuality is more a myth than fact.

[Markus]

Billy will enjoy the day when he can spend time with his wife instead of reading this board. You go Billy!

[ML]

Given your statement sir, I would contend that you will continue to be confused "mystified" by people who call to task others who enjoy bragging about their own exaggerated "sexual prowess" on the internet forums. 

Laz

Your reply has nothing to do with my comment on your comment.

Billy said he would give many pleasures to the woman.

You replied that he was making her his sex slave.

[ML]

Also, I am not sure Laz meant what you inferred.  

Quote from: BillyB on Yesterday at 02:29:17 AM
Velena, if you would have me as a lover, you will find I'm not like the average man who lasts a few minutes and you'd be disappointed. I have stamina and you will achieve your daily orgasm if not multiple.

This is to much!
Will Velena become BB's sex slave?  evil grin
Stay tuned........Popcorn
Laz

- - - - - - - -

Gator, above are the exact quotes that my post referred to.

Later, in his rebuttal to me, Laz quoted sentences that were not at all included in my post.

And yes, I do believe there are modern persons in developed countries who would deny that women do or should enjoy sex . . . at least on the same level that men do.

And Laz clearly is in that boat.  In his view, even when Billy gives the woman multiple orgasms (and speaks nothing of his own), he is nevertheless exploiting the woman and making her his sex slave.

I observed a similar situation on a travel discussion board.  A question arose as to what erotic things posters had experienced on plane trips.

One woman posted that her male seatmate (whom she just met on this  trip) gave her multiple orgasms while they covered up with a blanket.  She did nothing for him.

The replies were outraged that the man had done this; taken advantage of her.
She replied that she was all for it, and the man had received no pleasure at all.
The respondents were again outraged and advised her that men actually do enjoy giving women orgasms.

Not one respondent, man or woman, criticised the woman.
But most all criticised the man for taking advantage of her and receiving pleasure from giving her pleasure.

And yet a second example.

A woman who worked with my girlfriend (at the time) was telling this story at coffee break to the other gals.

Her birthday had been the day before.  Husband took her out to a nice dinner.
When they got home, he flopped out on sofa to watch football or some such.
She said to him: 'What, no birthday bang?'
He said:  'Too tired.'

Some time later, he said:  OK, I am rested now.
She replied to him: No, you missed your chance for a good screw.

So here also, in the case where the woman first suggested she wanted some pleasure, her later comments revealed the truth that in reality she looked at it as doing a favor for her husband thinking that sex is mainly for the pleasure of the man.   This viewpoint is not uncommon among many women . . . and men.

[ML]

ManLooking, I think I understand what Billy said, however my point was that this kind of endurance may be less then beneficial for some women.

His supposed endurance was for the purpose of providing multiple orgasms to the woman.

So are you suggesting that women do not benefit from such.  Billions of men wish they had such capability to obtain multiples.

Or are you implying that some women cannot attain multiples?
Yes, I understand that a very few women cannot.
And in that case, they would be enduring some physical activity that was leading to nothing.
But then, so would be the man.
So the honorable thing would be for the woman to truthfully tell that nothing more was going to be achieved after the first orgasm.

[Misha]

Lily, Billy was saying his endurance was for the benefit of the woman.

Methinks Billy says many things for the benefit of Billy's ego  I do not take any man's postings, especially when detailing how many orgasms he can allegedly provide women and when nothing how many hours he can last (which is by the way  ) as the gospel truth  :evil:

[Misha]

So are you suggesting that women do not benefit from such.

Many (most) won't. Too much sex for too long can become uncomfortable or even downright painful 

[OlgaH]

  Actually Victorian repression of heterosexuality is more a myth than fact.

History channel has a nice documentary

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgYLoq7WX_4 [/youtube]

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zg5GwHE1-uA[/youtube]

[Gator]

And yes, I do believe there are modern persons in developed countries who would deny that women do or should enjoy sex . . . at least on the same level that men do.

You have a right to your own opinion.  Can you quote any studies?

And Laz clearly is in that boat.  In his view, even when Billy gives the woman multiple orgasms (and speaks nothing of his own), he is nevertheless exploiting the woman and making her his sex slave.

The connection to Laz is not clear to me.  Laz will have to speak for himself.

I observed a similar situation on a travel discussion board.....
But most all criticised the man for taking advantage of her and receiving pleasure from giving her pleasure.

Wow!  The women on your travel board are a lot of fun.   Maybe the RWD women need to travel more.  Maybe you can  get the RWD women to lighten up.   I will send you a PM on which women should be receptive to your efforts. 

A woman who worked with my girlfriend (at the time) was telling this story at coffee break to the other gals.

Her birthday had been the day before.  Husband took her out to a nice dinner.
When they got home, he flopped out on sofa to watch football or some such.
She said to him: 'What, no birthday bang?'
He said:  'Too tired.'

Some time later, he said:  OK, I am rested now.
She replied to him: No, you missed your chance for a good screw.

So here also, in the case where the woman first suggested she wanted some pleasure, her later comments revealed the truth that in reality she looked at it as doing a favor for her husband thinking that sex is mainly for the pleasure of the man.   This viewpoint is not uncommon among many women . . . and men.

What?  I believe this story simply shows that a man can get a woman in a romantic mood, yet if he fades or acts like a jerk, the woman loses her special mood.   It doesn't prove anything about whether the woman believes sex is "mainly for the pleasure of the man."  It suggests that she was no longer in the mood.  Or that she enjoyed controlling her husband.  Or....

[Jack]

I don't have much time, certainly the amount of time I would need to respond accordingly, maybe in a few days, but I would like to say what BillyB is doing, has done, is not unusual with many 40 and 50 year old men except for one thing,.........BillyB has openly discussed this.

Their are many, and many is being kind, men in their 40's and 50's who seek, and find, pre 20 girls.  Most, I would say 95%, are just playing.  It is the closest they will come in finding the fountain of youth. A small percent, I think BillyB is in this group, is quite serious about such a young woman.

Hopefully I can find time to write of a few known cases.

[Lazarus]

And Laz clearly is in that boat.  In his view, even when Billy gives the woman multiple orgasms (and speaks nothing of his own), he is nevertheless exploiting the woman and making her his sex slave.

A pretty big leap taken from a joke?
Geez Manlooking, you need to lighten up a little.
FWIW, from reading the chronicles of BillyB and his "magic wand" :evil: , I don't think ANYBODY (besides the OP) can take away any serious advice about dating RW from this thread.


Laz

[GQBlues]

A pretty big leap taken from a joke?
Geez Manlooking, you need to lighten up a little.

LOL. I thought I was enjoying another H.G. Well's W-I-P? You mean, you mean....?

Anyway, I'm not a woman but I would think that unless a dude brought along a whole lot of vaseline, or for the really serious man's man, WD-40; any unneccesary and lenghty drilling is not only inadvisable it is also likely painful. Women can correct me on this...that initial wetting literally had to be stimulated again which would require other means and method other than seriously lenghty and repeated boom-boom-sha-kah-la-kah thrusts...no? 

- or is this 

[BillyB]

Hey Billy! You sound great as always. There is one think we seem to have in common, with such a huge choice of potential partners we both are still single. or......are you still?

Ladies seem to have it much easier than men. I actually have to do some work to convince a woman to go out with me. I get rejected more than accepted. You on the other hand have dozens of guys throwing themselves at you. Some of my dates told me that if they want a man, they can find any guy on the street easy. I believe them. A woman can find a willing man to sleep with them within minutes but the hard part for women is finding a quality man they could enjoy life with.

Did the young beauty steal your heart?

You just want to go to the end of the book and read the finish. If I told everybody the ending, then you would have never heard about what happens in-between. Don't tell me you didn't enjoy my day 3 talk with mom. I will give you a hint of what's coming up. I end up getting more kisses from other women.

You state that you consider yourself a gentlemen, and a step above the rest of us.  I don't see how sharing info like this equates with being a classy guy and a gentlemen.  I just can't imagine sharing this type of information on a public forum.

Can a drill sergeant give a profanity laced education to new recruits and go home and still be a gentleman to his wife? Can a soldier kill the enemy like an animal with extreme prejudice and still be labeled a fine human being? Or do your think certain behavior excludes them from the gentleman's club forever?

I've got thousands of posts here that says something about me but this thread is different for a purpose. If you knew the real life behind every poster, you may not like what you see. You may see failure, you may see a pervert or you may see a successful guy who's kicking your butt attracting and dating women. If I am attracting lots of decent women, then it's possible that those women have ruled me a gentleman. Keep in mind, proving I'm a gentleman to the forum is not my goal.

You may walk away from this thread and say "What was that thread about?" but other guys may actually learn something and improve their lives to achieve better results. Is that a bad thing? It's better for them and better for the ladies they associate with. One reason I've been going into detail is get men to understand that when a woman wants you, she will do lots for you whether it's in the kitchen or behind closed doors. Of course for a lady to want to do something for her man, he has to be a man of value.

There is something one can learn from everybody. There is an infamous poster here named Pike/Hub/Albert but one thing I learned is that he has the ability to attract a certain woman well. He finds RW on the internet and have phone sex with them. He visits the FSU and has 1 or 2 different women visit him everyday and within a day or even hours they are dropping their panties for him. Although they are not my type of women but it made me think how better to attract the women I'm looking for. What sites to use and how to communicate with those ladies.

One thing I notice in this thread is the men are more affected by talks of sex than women. I'm not talking like a perverted man otherwise I would expect negative reactions from the women. If you are a man women like, they will talk to you like you're their best friend and will talk about just about anything comfortably in your presence. If a guy reading this can't get a girl to talk to him like a good friend, maybe he needs to rethink how he can get those girls to open up to him.

Billy, I really don't think that you should listen to some age concerned people. Nothing personal to the particular poster members on my part, though. I truly pity people who believe that age is something that determines a person. If you Billy are able to attract women of high caliber - by all means, go get them. It is not about age, it is about personality.

Age has some relation to a person's maturity and life experience but there are many other fine qualities about a person that is not related to age and I've factored that in when making decisions about visiting A. One thing I notice about those who criticize the age of the lady I'm visiting is they haven't openly considered anything else about her that would make her a fine lady and marriage material.

On the sexual part, well...there is not just about how long can you endure. It may even exhaust a woman.

Stamina is important but so is control. When a woman asks me to finish with her for her ultimate satisfaction, I have control to do so. I'm not a selfish lover.

Do you know that some high tempered women can reach their highest even without an intercourse?

Yes, my tongue taught me about that.

On a personal note, I found your quoted long post very interesting, however, by RW standards, there might be too much of self-praise on your side. It may look fine for the eyes of an American person, however. Just a subtle difference in general mentality. This may occasionally revoke some extra criticism on the Russian part of RWD, but not necessarily so.

Don't worry Lily. I'm still the lovable guy you all know. Ladies like me because in real life I don't praise myself but let my actions speak for themselves.

We want Billy
Where is Billy
Give us Billy
We want Billy

I'm coming!!! (Pun intended)


Day 4

I have a talk with A about the possible stress she's feeling. She blames the stress on her mom. I believe her because her mom intended to stay in Kiev at most a day or two and head West to visit family and friends. Mom's staying at her sister's flat and her sister and her family is out of town at the moment. The flat has no airconditioning and there's nobody to talk too there so it's boring and uncomfortable. Mom doesn't go with A and I to the museums or parks except a few times. She normally joins us for an evening walk.

I tell A that I will handle mom and I let her know that a few days ago I traveled half way across the World for her. I wanted to crush any doubt she has that I'm not happy with her. I tell her the places we went to are nice but I came to Ukraine for her and if I don't look happy, it's probably because of the uncomfortable heat. I tell her to relax and this is the time to enjoy being together so lets not let it go to waste over stress.

We go to have lunch with mom at her apartment. Mom bought me train tickets to Lviv or Lvov or whatever you want to call that city. I wanted to repay her but she refused. I go to the next room and stick some money in the envelope holding the train tickets and A tells me "Bill! We are not the kind of family that takes money from people. People who take money are like prostitutes" I tell A "I'm not giving your mom money. I'm just paying for my train ticket."

I think A ended up telling her mom what I did because about 10 minutes later mom discovered the money and tried to give it back but I ignored her and she went to go look for my pants and put the money back. It's true I didn't wear pants or a shirt in the apartment but I did have a pair of shorts on they gave me because it was that hot in there.

I remember a time when my aunt introduced me to her boyfriend and he shook my hand but with both his hands. One hand in front and the other hand in back of my hand. It felt like the most respectful and sincere handshake I ever felt. My aunt ended up marrying the guy and I use that handshake when I want to make an impression above the norm.

We went for an evening walk and when mom was going home we gave each other a kiss and she turned around to head into the metro. Although mom seemed tired and not happy lately being in Kiev, I grabbed mom's hand and turned her around and grabbed the back of the same hand with my other and paused a few seconds. Mom's eyes opened wider and she had a "what is this about?" look on her face and in a soft tone of voice I sincerely said her name and "I know you want to go to West Ukraine to visit your friends and family and the only reason you're in Kiev now is because of me. I understand this and I want to thank you for being here for me because I know you care about your daughter and I."

Mom nods her head, smiles and gives me a big hug. Looking over mom's shoulder I see A smiling big and she has the look on her face that say "What a MAN!" From that day on there is no more friction between mom and A over A's poor scheduling of their vacation in Ukraine. I take the burden away from A and if mom is unhappy being in Kiev, I will be the one to blame.

Some may think that the Manly Man has superhuman or even Godlike powers but the truth is that even mere mortals can perform this kind of magic diffusing a hostile situation and winning the hearts and minds and gaining greater love and respect from not one but two women with a little action and a few words.

"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy." Martin Luther King Jr

When women measures you as a MAN, she can't evaluate you in good times of comfort. She will evaluate how you react to unpleasant situations that suddenly present themselves and how you act to solve the problems. My emotions are in control, rational thinking in effect and most of the time I can make good decisions with positive results in business, life and with women.

Besides repairing the situation between mom and A, A is now confident that I like her and she has relaxed and opening up with me. I don't need to offer my arm or hand to her anymore for her to take. She willingly grabs my arm or hand first when going out. Sometimes she'll sneak up behind me wrap her arms around my neck and give me a hug from behind. Everyday there is progress and improvement.

[3T_Ventus]

BillyB

Good to have you back!

You did not need any well-wishing for me: you have success written all over you already. Even though I know how to date/relationship, a long distance date/relationship is far more challenging and I have learned a lot from this thread! 

Keep it up Billy! 

[BillyB]

Keep it up Billy! 

Hey now, that is what some people were complaining about!

Glad you gaining something from this thread 3T_Ventus. IMO, it's easier to date FSU women than American women. They are easier to talk to and don't view you as if you're the next serial killer and got to speak to you for months on the phone before they trust you enough to let you buy them dinner. As long as you're giving out good vibes that you're a decent person, then you'll have no problem getting accepted.

Beside RW, I get along with RM too and if you go to the FSU, it's important you get along with, within reason, everybody in your lady's family and circle of friends. One of the ladies I went out with is 10 years older than I and we're still friends. She lived a few hours away from me and sometimes I see her on the weekends. She enjoys being single and she's beautiful. She gets a lot of attention from guys including some guys in their 20's. One guy paid for her airfair across the nation so they could meet.

While I was visiting her, her best friend called her and said her husband woke up on the day of his birthday and told her to call all the people he loves and invite them over for dinner. I never met him but I was invited with my RW.

The birthday boy was a Cossack and there were 3 other couples there. 5 men and 5 women sitting at the table and they're from either Ukraine and Russia except me of course. I was also the youngest. One guy warned me if I don't drink, claim I have a condition against alcohol since Russians like to drink. They did drink everytime someone wanted to make a toast and it was either Cognac or Vodka. I downed some shots and at other times toasted with wine since I had to drive home.

I had a good conversation with all of them. One RW was Moscow educated with a PhD.D. and lived in Australia for a while. She is conservative and can't believe why Americans are voting for liberals. Her thoughts are why change a good thing? This is the only country in the World that is unique in it's own way and people are trying to change it into something she was ran away from. She loves it here much more than even Australia. Her husband had it hard in the Soviet Union. His family was always on the crap list because they didn't subscribe to Communist ideology. He swam across the Danube river and lived in Europe a while before he came to America. He agrees with his wife this is the best place on Earth. He was in an Army unit in the Afghanistan war that cleared mine fields. After doing their job, they were told to play soccer on the mine field for quality control before they sent more valuable units across the field. The RM sitting at the table said America won't be successful in Afghanistan because we are fighting them with our rules. To beat them you have to fight by their rules and that is to kill all men and boys. They said the Soviets could've won the war but didn't want to win the war by the Afghani rules.

Another RW sitting at the table was a nurse and she said learning about her history through an American education opened her eyes to what was going on outside of what State controlled media taught her but she also believed some of what is taught here isn't right and it was painful for her to listen to outsiders saying something bad about her homeland. She spoke FSU politics with me too but I know her husband didn't agree with everything since he rolled his eyes at some of the things she said.

The Cossack birthday boy got along with me great and he's a hard core military guy that served in the Soviet Union's special forces. Since I was in the American Army, he told me we're still brothers since we're both soldiers. He didn't have a difficult life as the others during the Soviet days but the guy is hard core so not many things in life would be uncomfortable for him. He tried to get me to drink a lot but my RW said to him "no". He told me if I want to get involved with a RW, I should never let her control me. My RW said "I'm not controlling him, I care about him." The Cossack told me that there is only one place for a woman and that is in the kitchen. I told him he was wrong and that a woman's place is in the bedroom too. Everybody laughed and the Cossack agreed I was more right than he.

I don't know the true feelings of everyone at the table pertaining to the idea women should be in the kitchen and bedroom but nobody seem to be offended and I noticed interaction between couples and many of the ladies seem to adore their husbands. They'd rub their fingers through their husbands hair, put food on their plates or wrap their arms around them. My RW leaned her head on my shoulder, kissed me, put food on my plate, and I wrapped my arms around her or put my hand on her leg at times. Maybe some of the RM at the table are strict but their wives seem to love them for a reason.

My ex wife was a UW. I invited her sister and sister's husband to movies or restaurants occasionally and her sister always seem to smile and excited to go but her husband always turned us down. I told my wife that her sister doesn't get to go out much and maybe she'll get depressed in her marriage but my wife said she's very happy with her husband because her husband F's her good every night. In the end, who are we to judge how bad, strict, or boring a husband is when his wife thinks the world of him?

The Cossack's wife asked me if I was born in America. She said I think more like a Russian man than an American man and that is a good thing. I took it as a compliment but I would like to believe I have the best traits of a Russian and American men. She like everyone at the table enjoyed meeting me. From a truck driver to a lady with a PhD D, I got along with everyone at the table great. At the end of the party the Cossack gives me a mini keg of Russian beer to take home. I scored some big points with my RW friends since I was the only one that got a gift from the birthday boy.


Day 5 Kiev

A and her mom never seen so many beggars approach us in their lives. They blamed me since I seem to be a magnet for those people. They told me to never give money to beggars except the very old ladies. Old ladies don't make enough on their pensions to pay for rent and utilities but they warned me of the old ladies that drink their money away.

I'm conservative and I suspect A was conservative too based on our conversations. Based on A's and her mom's view on Ukrainian politics, I knew they are to the far right but even though Ukrainians are to the right in politics, it could still mean they lean to the left in America. I wanted to know more so I asked them a question on what they think of feminists and they laughed and said those women aren't women. I was happy with their answer.

I wanted to do laundry before leaving Kiev but mom told me the hotel will charge me too much and she and A will do it instead. I told them I'll do it because I don't want them using up their vacation cleaning my dirty clothes but they wouldn't have any of that. They told me it's a woman's job to clean clothes so they washed, dried, ironed, and folded my clothes neatly.

In the evening we head to the train station to head to Lviv. We were in an air conditioned compartment with 4 beds. A and her mom didn't sleep very good due to my snoring. I told A to get used to it:)