Life Changes...Part Deux

[possum]

I have this visual of a bunch of cossacks in the traditional get-up ("papakha" hat, high boots, the whole bit) sitting around a table in a semi-drunken stupor with some white army officers and their wives, eating BBQ'd sausages with their sabers while trashing proles and the Soviet government over horilka shots.. 

[Maniac999]

  Thank you again for your  interesting TR's , Billy.
  Did you ever calculate , how many women you had sex with in your life approx., and what was the percent of RW(UW) ?
  Never heard of such options in my life , could you tell more about this:
  Do you know that some high tempered women can reach their highest even without an intercourse?



Yes, my tongue taught me about that.

  
  
  
  

[Lily]

Maniac,

What I meant to say was 'without a body contact'

BillyB,

You do seem to have interesting conversations there in Ukraine People talk about politics? Well, my personal observations that in a few cases, this looks like a favorite small talk topic in the FSU.

  I noticed interaction between couples and many of the ladies seem to adore their husbands. They'd rub their fingers through their husbands hair, put food on their plates or wrap their arms around them. My RW leaned her head on my shoulder, kissed me, put food on my plate, and I wrapped my arms around her or put my hand on her leg at times. Maybe some of the RM at the table are strict but their wives seem to love them for a reason.
 

Yes, we wouldn't conceal our affection to the men who we love  At the same time, we often show some extra care for those who we respect but not necessarily love. This includes putting food on the table, and other signs of care and of being good hostess. That would mean something that belongs to good manners.

[ML]

What I meant to say was 'without a body contact'

Lily, you are just adding to the mystery or miscommunication . . . I don't know which.

So are your words? "... some ... women can reach the highest without body contact."

[Gator]

Lily,

Don't tell.  Creating and keeping a mystery - so very smart and powerful you are. 

[JohnDearGreen]

There is something one can learn from everybody. There is an infamous poster here named Pike/Hub/Albert but one thing I learned is that he has the ability to attract a certain woman well. He finds RW on the internet and have phone sex with them. He visits the FSU and has 1 or 2 different women visit him everyday and within a day or even hours they are dropping their panties for him. Although they are not my type of women but it made me think how better to attract the women I'm looking for. What sites to use and how to communicate with those ladies.

I wonder how everyone's attitude to Mr.Hub would change if in reality he turned out
to be a 50 year old overweight slob chasing after the worst looking ladies in Ukraine?
I am not saying he was, just a hypothetical question.

On my first job in OK, I worked with Mr.J a successful computer analyst.  He was
overweight, unattractive, and smelled badly.  But everywhere you saw him, he would
have a lady friend with him.  A different one every month.  They were ugly or
overweight, but he didn't seem to mind.  He probably led the whole state in
batting average, home runs, and runs scored.  I am not sure what we would learn
from him, except if you set the bar low enough, you can succeed often.

[BillyB]

Did you ever calculate , how many women you had sex with in your life approx., and what was the percent of RW(UW) ?
  

Whoa! I've talked a lot about sex in this thread but I don't remember even claiming to have had sex. Would you believe I'm a 40 yo virgin?

What I meant to say was 'without a body contact'
 

I would normally believe what you tell me Lily but I prefer to see "it" to believe "it".

Yes, we wouldn't conceal our affection to the men who we love   At the same time, we often show some extra care for those who we respect but not necessarily love. This includes putting food on the table, and other signs of care and of being good hostess. That would mean something that belongs to good manners.
 

You know it, I know it and hope the rest of the guy here will know it. Some guys are just happy a pretty thing in a short skirt will allow him to buy her $400 pair of shoes on a first visit. They never experience what the finest RW are like. They go to the FSU and are clueless how a woman with good manners, is a good hostess, and that are into them is supposed to act.

I wonder how everyone's attitude to Mr.Hub would change if in reality he turned out
to be a 50 year old overweight slob chasing after the worst looking ladies in Ukraine?
I am not saying he was, just a hypothetical question.
 

Mr. Hub posts as a happy man who got the results he wanted. Maybe he's ugly. Maybe the women are ugly but if there is one woman for every man, then Mr. Hub is getting more than his fair share of action whilst others are sitting home alone.

I read your post when you first wrote it but didn't reply since I took a break from the forum but I did a test at the free site Mamba.ru. I created a fake profile and wrote a bunch of RW and said "I'm coming to your city on a business trip soon. I'm looking for a friend and intimate relations take a look at my profile and if you're interested, let's meet!" Also in the profile I checked the options "I would like to have sex" for a few times a day and the size of my penis is >20 cm.

I wrote to lots of beautiful ladies and I get more responses out of them than I would talking like a gentleman. Some responses were refusals but the fact they responded instead of ignoring me were interesting. Some engaged in lengthy conversations with me although they they were not interested.... but they didn't close the door on me. Some were amazed I was so open and frank with them. I didn't come off as a pervert but a guy who told them I have needs  and it's a need just like air, water and food. Most ladies agree a man has needs and said needs must be fulfilled but most prefer to fulfill a man's needs within a relationship. Some women just wanted to have no strings attached fun and beautiful women weren't exempt. After my experiment, I doubt Mr. Hub had only ugly ladies come his way. Good looking ladies could drop their panties just as fast and have as loose or looser morals than the ugly ones.

With all my corresponding and dating RW I've learned they don't all look for the same thing. Some will date a one man at a time and others will play the field. Some are looking for marriage and others looking for a companion part or full time. If I can't fulfill their needs or they can't fulfill mine, I move on until I find something that feels right.


A few days in Lviv

Although I wrote "Lvov" when referring to this city earlier, I write "Lviv" to please some of the people who spell it that way. Spell checker here thinks Lviv is wrong. L'viv

Lviv is a very romantic European style city that reminds me of St. Petersburg without the canals and water. I didn't see many soviet style apartments. The people in Lviv looked different than the Russian and Ukrainian I've come to recognize. They looked like Poles.

I took A and mom to a cafe for the first time. I calculated what each day may cost if I had to take them out everyday. I estimate they may have saved me $500 because they didn't allow me to take them to restaurants in Kiev and I saved $ on my meals because they cooked for me.

At the cafe, mom sat at a different table and were talking to people at the table over which was next to mine and A's. One guy sitting at that table who's back was to A's back turned around and talked to A. They talked a few minutes and based on the look on his face, he just asked A out or for her number. A shook her head and quickly turned around to eat. The guy had balls to ask a woman out when she's sitting with another man. He wasn't the only man flirting with A on this trip. I don't mind her getting lots of attention. I'm not insecure. I actually enjoy watching how RM flirt with her and get rejected. ))

We visited a cemetery that is famous. Lots of tour buses parked outside that came from other countries. Many of the gravestones were huge and some were sculptures. Famous people are buried there and high ranking religious figures too. 200,000 people reside there. We get in a tour group but mom didn't understand the language and was upset A wanted to walk with the tour group. A understood what the guide was saying. Mom limping decided to walk a different path and I had a choice. Stay with A or take care of injured mom. I decided to stay with mom. 30 minute later we find A and I mention to her while she was gone, I took care of mom alone. A told me if I didn't know how to take care of a mom, she would not be with me. At this point in my life, I usually make the right decisions so gaining respect from women isn't difficult.

When most guys go to the FSU, they are just hoping a woman will accept them without looking for any faults of hers. Women on the other hand tend to be smarter than us and observe a guy's behavior and decision making before deciding to share the same bed with him.

When we go shopping for food at the market to take back to the flat(apartment), I carry the bags. I try to pay for the food but they pay sometimes. When one of my hands is too busy to take money out of my wallet, I pull out my wallet and hand it to mom and she takes out the money and returns the change back to my wallet. Trust is built and we interact as a family instead of people who just met less than a week ago.

[Nat]

I don't know the true feelings of everyone at the table pertaining to the idea women should be in the kitchen and bedroom but nobody seem to be offended

They told me it's a woman's job to clean clothes so they washed, dried, ironed, and folded my clothes neatly.

I feel like I'm reading a story about 50s or something, when "domostroy" was very honored and people truly believed that cooking and cleaning are women's duty. The only thing about it that arises some doubts - why would such a "domostroy" girl like to move to the USA? With her submissiveness, her beauty and her youth she has a lot of opportunities in her country, where "domostroy" is considered to be normal, and where there are no feminists to accuse her of being submissive. Why would she like to move to the country with absolutely different mentality?

[Vinnvinny]

Whoa! I've talked a lot about sex in this thread but I don't remember even claiming to have had sex. Would you believe I'm a 40 yo virgin?

Yep.

[ML]

people truly believed that cooking and cleaning are women's duty.

You mean this is not true?

I suppose you don't believe in Santa Claus and the tooth fairy either.

Always a spoil sport in every group!

[GoodOlBoy]

On the boat cruise, mom looked at me and asked “Bill, why did you write my daughter when she was 17 yo?”.

Contacting underage children on the internet BillyB??
Perhaps the most disturbing post in this whole thread for me.

When she was trying to get rid of me she said "mister! please you have to sonsider the idea that it's may be better to not write me anymore!! you are too old for me!". "may be you can't see  i am 18 and u a 33"

Words of wisdom from a child's mouth..........and yet, some still refuse to listen.

One guy sitting at that table who's back was to A's back turned around and talked to A. They talked a few minutes and based on the look on his face, he just asked A out or for her number. A shook her head and quickly turned around to eat. The guy had balls to ask a woman out when she's sitting with another man.

Because maybe he thought she was your teenage daughter?


GOB

[kievstar]

Has anyone ever seen BillyB in Ukraine? I call BS on what he writes. 

[BillyB]

I feel like I'm reading a story about 50s or something, when "domostroy" was very honored and people truly believed that cooking and cleaning are women's duty. The only thing about it that arises some doubts - why would such a "domostroy" girl like to move to the USA? With her submissiveness, her beauty and her youth she has a lot of opportunities in her country, where "domostroy" is considered to be normal, and where there are no feminists to accuse her of being submissive.

a "domostroy" girl may have opportunities to play that role in her own country but she still would want to be loved and treated with respect, not treated like a dog or slave. Some RW may feel most the "available" men in the FSU have issues or treat women poorly and the good men are already taken. I have talked to some FSU women that feel that way. A loves her country Ukraine but she understands it has faults. I don't think A is worried about anyone accusing her of being submissive. If she feels proud to take care of her man in a certain way that feminists hate, then she has nothing to be ashamed about. I once told A I worked the weekend and had to work a lot during the week. She told me "Good! It's a man's responsibility to work". I didn't get upset or angry when she said that because I agree. I know some people were upset earlier in this thread when I said women should do dishes and clean the home but A won't get upset if I said that.

In Ukraine I learned that mom did most the house work and cooking in Libya and I told A when she goes back to Libya, help mom more in doing those chores. Learning as much as she can now will only make her life easier in the future within a marriage. I said that in front of mom and mom told me she didn't want A to do too much because she is supposed to focus on studying.

Why would she like to move to the country with absolutely different mentality?

One thing I can say about most FSU women is they are not focused on a country when dealing with foreign men. They are looking for love. I rarely come across an FSU woman who throws herself at me because I live in America. I heard from a guy who went to the Philipines that women throw themselves at him because they see he's a white man. He'll walk into a shopping mall and come out with a girl hanging on each one of his arms. FSU women aren't like that.

When A was looking for a man, she preferred a man in Europe so her profile was listed in a European city. Out of all the men that wrote her, she felt I was the best man for her so she invited me to see her. She did everything I asked for in correspondence and so I accepted her invitation. She has some strange beliefs about America and Americans that do not put them in a favorable light. I doubt she targeted me because I'm American but she does feel that she can live anywhere in the World with a good man.

Contacting underage children on the internet BillyB??

Perhaps the most disturbing post in this whole thread for me.

Is an older man disturbing you if he dates a younger woman or a younger woman disturbing you if she dates an older man? Who's more wrong in your eyes? Why is it only the Western male in this thread get disturbed over this and not the RW? Is it okay if a woman gives an older man her phone number? Is it okay that she dates him? Is it her choice or yours that she chooses to sleep with him?

I didn't target 17 yo's when I wrote FSU women. I targeted all ladies that were pleasant to my eyes. 17 is an adult in FSU culture anyway so don't rush to put the handcuffs on me yet. If young and old ladies want to date me, don't blame me, it takes two to tangle. I'm not robbing the cradle and older ladies aren't robbing the cradle when they date me. It's two adults making a mutual decision. Just because you aren't part of the decision doesn't mean you have to get upset over it.

There are basically 3 ways a much older man can attract a younger woman. One is with his money and being generous with gifts. Another is with his exceptional looks. And finally he can attract a much younger lady or basically any lady with exceptional personality, communicative skills, and character. Which way do you think I attract younger women?

Has anyone ever seen BillyB in Ukraine? I call BS on what he writes.

Game over! I confess. What I've said is all true. Keivstar, you've probably been to Ukraine more times than most yet you can't dispute anything I said about Ukraine earlier. All you can do is call BS without anything substance to shoot down what I've previously said. I've posted photos of my trips to Moscow, St. Petersburg, Kiev, and Tashkent. I put a link on post one of this thread to my first "Life Changes" thread that has links to the trip reports to those cities. Nobody disputed that I've been there until now.

I know it's difficult for some of you guys to believe what goes on in my life. Just because things like this doesn't happen to you doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I don't have to prove anything to anybody but I'm willing to make some money in these tough economic times so here's what I suggest to remove any doubt. I am willing to put up evidence to a trusted person in exchange for cash. I can trust the administrator Dan.

I've got over 25 phone numbers from local ladies. Most of them from the FSU, 2 Americans, one Mexican, and one Asian. I'll give the phone numbers to Dan and he can call them to verify the voice and accent and that the phone number is owned by a lady. He can ask them if they enjoy the dating site named (one I met them on) so he can verify they are on a dating site and I didn't pull the number out of the phone book. I can also show Dan the email they gave their phone number to me. That will cost YOU $100 per number Dan can verify. I've got international numbers too but I'll only charge $50 a number since there are more than 25. Bulk discount.

I posted words from actual conversations I've had with RW earlier in this thread. If someone wants to verify that a RW actually said those words to me, I will charge $1000 per conversation Dan verifies. It would mean I have to give Dan my email and dating sites passwords so he can go in there and read it for himself.

To scan all the stamps and visas in my passports of my travels: $500. To scan my old airline tickets, $100 each.

None of the money will go in my pocket. I'll give Dan some money for his time and the rest will be donated to the needy RW... that date me. I will feed them well.

Anybody serious in wanting proof needs to put money in an escrow account first so I know that you got the money and will put it where your mouth is. The rest of the people will thank you giving them peace of mind that everything I wrote here is real and can happen. Finding a 17 yo RW virgin living in Libya can happen. Women traveling on work visas to America can fly to your doorsteps on their own dime if they wish. Dating much older and younger women can happen. Dating 2 women in the same day can happen. Dating different RW woman everyday right here in America can happen. Being offered intimate relations in exchange for financially taking care of a RW can happen. Having fun and being successful in this endeavor can happen.

Kievstar, tell everybody here I'm wrong on what I'm about to say. There are two McDonalds at Independence square. One upstairs and one below in the underground shopping mall. There is another McDonalds a short walk away next to the Khreshatic metro. Next to the entrance are boys that breakdance everyday for the public. There is a man that plays the guitar well in front of the Khreshatic metro or downstairs near the underground mall. He plays music by the Italian composer Ennio Morricone. Ask to see the CD's he sells and you will know he plays that music even if you don't understand what you're listening too. There used to be a Double Coffee shop in the underground mall and near the Khreshatic metro where I met a couple of local RW. On my last visit they were shut down. At Hotel Khreshatic which I stayed last time, there is a casino next door. As a person enters the doors to the hotel, in front of him is the desk and to the left are 3 elevators. The elevator on the left is larger than the 2 on the right. At the love bridge in Kiev while I was there on my last visit, the locks have all been cut. As I type this, there are probably a few locks on that bridge now. The hookers start walking Khreshatic in numbers about 11 PM. If you really think I haven't been to Kiev Kievstar, please give some valid reasons instead of calling "BS" to simply put doubt in everyone's head. The photo of A quenching the thirst of a pig(not me) and us in front of the statue of the god Neptune are both from Lviv. Anybody in Lviv can verify or discredit my presence there?

If anyone else wants to hurt my credibility, you will risk hurting yours if you're wrong while boosting mine. Is that what you really want? As this thread rolls on and becomes seeming impossible and unbelievalbe, guys like Kievstar will help my credibility when they call me out. I put out enough photos of Kiev in the past and gave some details about my visits there. Kievstar never called me out then so I have to ask why is he calling me out now?

[GoodOlBoy]

I targeted all ladies that were pleasant to my eyes. 17 is an adult in FSU culture anyway.......

Yeah....good luck with getting a K1 Fiancee visa for a 17 yo child bride at the American Embassy in Moscow or Kiev.
 

Finding a 17 yo RW virgin living in Libya can happen.

BillyB, you are really one sick puppy.

GOB

[Nat]

Before answering I want to tell you at once, BillyB, that's I'm not trying to catch you on lying or something else, and I'm absolutely neutral in my attitude towards you, so that you wouldn't feel like I'm asking some hostile questions And it's really nice that you share your story, which can give everybody something to think about However, there are some things which sound non logical for a person, who lives here. Let's see:

a "domostroy" girl may have opportunities to play that role in her own country but she still would want to be loved and treated with respect, not treated like a dog or slave.

In this country there is a massive state program against people trading, which clearly explains that you have much more chances to become a slave and be treated like a dog IF you marry a foreigner. By the way that was one of the reasons why I came to this forum - to see if it's true. On the other hand, although there really are some cases of such treatment here (and in any other country including the USA),  girls either finish this relationship at once, because they are in their homeland and they have where to go, or put up with it, because they have reasons to do that (DGs, crazy love or something like that). You can't have insurance against such cases in any country, but it's not a reason not to marry at all.
I of course may be mistaken and I express only my personal opinion here, but the reason for such a bright young submissive girl to leave for the country with the mentality, which is absolutely strange for her (the USA, Europe and other western countries), should be very, very specific.

Some RW may feel most the "available" men in the FSU have issues or treat women poorly and the good men are already taken.

I can confirm the part about "being taken" - but it's speaking of age of 23+ - people get married very early here, those, who don't want to hurry miss their opportunities We're talking about a gal who's under 20, nobody is taken yet. As for "poor treatment", as I said already, it happens sometimes and in any country.

In Ukraine I learned that mom did most the house work and cooking in Libya and I told A when she goes back to Libya, help mom more in doing those chores.

I didn't quite get what her mom does in Libya anyway? Is she working there as a maid? I know some people of student age, like your gal is,  whose mothers work in Libya as maids, but the girls live here, because for them there's nothing to do there, except for also working in cleaning. So what does A do there? Where does she live? Who supports her financially - her mother? Then how much should she make to support herself and her daughter in a strange country?

Learning as much as she can now will only make her life easier in the future within a marriage. I said that in front of mom and mom told me she didn't want A to do too much because she is supposed to focus on studying.

Where does she study if she lives in Lybia? May be I got something wrong and she doesn't live there?

[kievstar]

Billy, I believe you have gone to Ukraine.  I asked has anyone ever met you in person in Ukraine.  You talk about chasing young girls and having women in America all over you.  I call BS on the attention women give you.  For all your trips someone on RWD should have met you in person by now.  Are you meeting women - yes.  But your adding a lot more to the story. 

[3T_Ventus]

Billy!

I have no troubles believing that many women are all over you. There are men who have mastered the art of attracting women, same as women have mastered the art of attracting men. There are rules and once you know them and use them to your advantage you can be successful...like the success you are having. You have clearly voiced it many times on this thread.

I can vouch for you for I am experiencing the same success at the moment... 

[BillyB]

BillyB, you are really one sick puppy.

I guess you won't let it go and going to ride me based on the number of posts like above you've made lately. In another thread someone asks to describe "out of your league" and you gave him a link to my thread. In a way you're right, some women feel I'm out of their league and that is one reason they like me. They may have youth, beauty, and even brains but they must feel that there is something about me to be wanting to associate with me. Not much people want to marry down or even average.

Put your righteous indignation aside and think about how RW have reacted to me in this thread and how many RW in real life enjoy my company. Why don't you let them decide on who they want to be with? Tell me what age has to do with being a "GOOD MAN" or a "REAL MAN"? There are plenty of good reasons young RW don't want to deal with boys. They are looking for someone they can marry, not babysit. I've heard it enough times out of their own mouths to understand it. If a lady is comfortable dating me, why should I be uncomfortable about it?

If you want to be the protector of young RW virginity, then go do something about it. Below is a link to a dating site. I set the search engine to 18-20 yo. Many of those ladies would consider a man double their age. They create their profile on their own unlike the ladies who get influenced at marriage agencies. Sign up on that site and write all young ladies to avoid older men for the same valid reasons you are going to state in your next post. Just remember, when you write these ladies, you are basically telling them who they should have in their bed, they aren't smart enough and need your advice since you feel they can't figure it out for themselves.

http://bride.ru/ph/htcgi/ladies/in-18-20/index1.html

Before answering I want to tell you at once, BillyB, that's I'm not trying to catch you on lying or something else, and I'm absolutely neutral in my attitude towards you, so that you wouldn't feel like I'm asking some hostile questions

Don't worry Nat. There are times I like aggressive women so no insult taken asking me hostile questions. Somehow I feel you're more than neutral with me...on the positive side.

I can confirm the part about "being taken" - but it's speaking of age of 23+ - people get married very early here, those, who don't want to hurry miss their opportunities  We're talking about a gal who's under 20, nobody is taken yet. As for "poor treatment", as I said already, it happens sometimes and in any country.

A is under 20 but why should she have to marry an under 20 boy? In a marriage it's more important that the man is mature than the woman. A's mom told me it's okay if a woman is stupid in a marriage but never a man. A smart man and woman can make a marriage work. A smart man and stupid woman can make a marriage work. If a man is stupid, he is finished and the woman will leave him.

I didn't quite get what her mom does in Libya anyway? Is she working there as a maid? I know some people of student age, like your gal is,  whose mothers work in Libya as maids, but the girls live here, because for them there's nothing to do there, except for also working in cleaning. So what does A do there? Where does she live? Who supports her financially - her mother? Then how much should she make to support herself and her daughter in a strange country?

Where does she study if she lives in Lybia? May be I got something wrong and she doesn't live there?

I understand for some readers new to this thread, it's easy to skip most of the 18 pages but you're missing out on a lot of information just as GoodOlBoy has. He thinks I target young women but the truth is I target ALL women regardless of age. I forgive you Nat... if you give me your phone number. I'll repeat what I said earlier. Mom works as a doctor in Libya under contract. Before that she used to work in Germany under contract. A is not dumb. She knows 5 languages. She learned English one year and self taught herself the rest of the way and she done well. She is one of the few RW I've spoken to that does not have the Russian accent when speaking English. She is studying online and getting a European education and travels to Europe for her exams. She is also studying locally at an international school in Tripoli learning Arabic. Most her friends in Tripoli are children of diplomats working there. Mom and A combined has enough brain power to figure me out and make decisions on what kind of man they want in their life without the likes of needing the assistance of THE PROTECTER of RW GOB. Will the THE PROTECTOR and the MANLY MAN end up battling in the next episode? Pick up a comic book to find out.

I asked has anyone ever met you in person in Ukraine.

I don't go to the FSU to meet with males from this forum. I don't go there to meet any males. I did meet Phil D Amore in St. Petersburg when I used him to help me locate an apartment. He participates on this forum so anyone can PM him to ask if I exist.

I call BS on the attention women give you.

lol. Just recently in another thread you told everybody you met hundreds(plural) of women all over the World. You don't think anybody else on this forum can approach your record? I call BS on your claim of meeting hundreds of women because what I'm going through seems impossible to you. 3T_Ventus doesn't seem to share your view that it's impossible.

Are you meeting women - yes.  But your adding a lot more to the story.

I'm withholding a lot from the story. If you're still doubting me, I'm offering to open up my emails for a price and proceeds will go for a good cause and that is to feed hungry RW starting with Nat! I feel she's not only hungry for more answers but for something else!

I have no troubles believing that many women are all over you. There are men who have mastered the art of attracting women, same as women have mastered the art of attracting men. There are rules and once you know them and use them to your advantage you can be successful...like the success you are having. You have clearly voiced it many times on this thread.

I can vouch for you for I am experiencing the same success at the moment... 

I wouldn't necessarily say following rules is the key to being successful but communication skills to attract women are important and your own good personality and character is needed to keep them. A new guy at work is a novice. With experience he may become an expert at what he does. With enough practice and communications with ladies, one can either get better or never "get it".

Even with ladies that didn't seem interested in me at first, they can come around and then come on strong. It took me a month to get one local RW's phone number. It took me over a week to get her to accept a date with me. She almost turned me down and then said she has a project she's working on and will meet me for a short time for about 30 minutes. I meet her and was going to give her a hug and a kiss on the cheek but she didn't accept it and said she doesn't do that. She seemed cold to me at first. She told me she's going to leave the dating site because there are too many poor quality men there. She also received numerous marriage proposals even from RM younger than her but she said she is very picky. She almost didn't come meet me that night but her friend said to go for it. We end up talking for over 3 hours. At the end of the date she opened her arms to give me a hug but I put my hands up to hold her back and said "I don't want to break your policy. Are you sure you want to do this?" "Yes" was her answer and she gave me a big hug. When I got home, she had an email waiting for me that said "Thank you for a nice evening!!!! Nice to see you in person. Have a great evening!!!!!!" and signed her name with a smiley face. I didn't even ask for a second date yet I already knew I had one with her. I know if I have a second date with a woman before the first date is even over.

If a woman has any experience with men, then she'll understand that I'm a great catch. I know where I stand among my competition. I didn't get like this overnight. If it weren't for practice/experience, I would be clumsy talking and interacting with women. The way I think and grew as a person is also very important and based on ladies, young and old, reactions to me, I know I done good.

Below is a profile of a young women who already has a taste of what kind of men are out there. Guys like what she describes can't compete against me. Don't be those guys! I outclass and outgun them. She spent most her time in her profile saying what kind a men she doesn't like instead of something constructive. The men she doesn't want writing her will write and simply change their tune. She is not smart enough to understand that.

http://freepersonals.ru/profile?id=370278;pid=706301;

[3T_Ventus]

I agree with you a 100% brother! Absolutely spot on!

[Jumper]

She is not smart enough to understand that.

http://freepersonals.ru/p...ile?id=370278;pid=706301;

This girl (i stress girl at 19yo) , admits she doesn't know what she wants in a man..
she'll know it when she sees it.
She's obviously met a few business men  looking for just  a good time ,or using their wealth to try and influence her, hardly surprising,and she is just being very clear in her profile.
 
so Billyb,instead of not being smart enough.
lets give her some credit and  something likely more close to reality?
(and the reality of your own situation?) 
she may not be fully experienced in life and dating .. but even at 19 yo, she probably has a
very good BS meter that weeds guys out that would try your mentioned tactics.

or maybe you think  only YOUR teenager is wise and mature enough for  that right? 
she weeded out your secret profile afterall.. 

In any case ,i'm  glad her mother is helping her decide what men they want in her /their lives,and that she has  a good relationship with her mother and family.

[JR]

Whoa! I've talked a lot about sex in this thread but I don't remember even claiming to have had sex. Would you believe I'm a 40 yo virgin?

Yes, in fact I'm certain of it. All your stories of sexual conquest....so much public dreaming ))))

[dogspot]

Billy,

Lets say you meet a cute and interesting 18 year old girl here in The States. She agrees to go out with you and you have a great time together. During the date, however, you discover she is has just started her senior year in high school. Just this change things? Would you go out with her again if there was 'chemistry'?

[Lily]

If a woman has any experience with men, then she'll understand that I'm a great catch. I know where I stand among my competition. 
 

Billy, what can you offer to a woman that other men cannot?

And thanks for your postings, great reading 

[kievstar]

BillyB, of course you exist.  but find it strange that you struggle with women and than lie your some Casanova here.  The Internet is a way to hide behind your confidence issues and failures.  Hanging out with a teenager and mother please. 

[BillyB]

http://freepersonals.ru/p...ile?id=370278;pid=706301;
 
so Billyb,instead of not being smart enough.
lets give her some credit and  something likely more close to reality?

The lady in the freepersonals profile isn't smart. It's not smart for a woman to tell men what she doesn't like. Men will alter their their behavior in order to get a date with the lady.

or maybe you think  only YOUR teenager is wise and mature enough

AJ, GOB and Nat have an excuse for not reading everything but you have read and I shouldn't have to repeat myself. A is mature enough to know she has lots to learn in life. If I decide to make a life with her, I'd have to be a teacher and she a student. A is wise enough to understand that is the only way for it to work between us. How is any relationship with a large age gap supposed to work without a man and woman playing a teacher student role?

Billy,
Lets say you meet a cute and interesting 18 year old girl here in The States. She agrees to go out with you and you have a great time together. During the date, however, you discover she is has just started her senior year in high school. Just this change things? Would you go out with her again if there was 'chemistry'?

I'll go out with a woman if she wants to go out with me. If she gives me the body language that she's attracted to me, then I will capitalize on it and speak to her. Maybe it won't end in marriage but if she's good looking, there's chemistry between us and she wants me, then why not see what may come about? Keep in mind, just because I go out with a few young ladies doesn't mean I attract most young ladies or hang around colleges. Most young women would not be attracted to me and my mentality.

Billy, what can you offer to a woman that other men cannot?

A guy doesn't have to be unique offering something other men can't. He just needs to be a REAL MAN as RW call it. What is a REAL MAN? This could be a subject of another thread. Here are a few of my thoughts of what I think a REAL MAN should be like:

1) A man needs to show testosterone. Being a nice guy isn't enough. Sometimes a man needs to show off a little bit of his hormones to show he'd fight for a cause such as his woman. Women on the other hand should not show the same type of aggression. Lily, one reason I respect you over the years is because of your online personality is attractive to me. You don't throw insults at people, stay out of fights and act like a classy lady. I not only notice what people say and do but I notice what they don't say and do also. I don't find women who get into fights or run their mouth all the time attractive.

2) A man should have control of emotions, not let emotions control him. I'm sure some of the ladies here are impressed that I've handled myself well in front of hostile people. Sometimes when people are faced with things that overwhelm them, they break down. Some get sad or mad and freak out accordingly. A real man controls his emotions and doesn't pass on drama to others people.

3) Conquering challenges that life or people occasionally throws at you. I've always suspected someone would challenge the validity of what I write and with that challenge I come out on top with more credibility. Men who can't face and conquer challenges will look weak in front of a ladies eyes.

4) Being an expert on at least one thing in life. A man with exceptional skill may translate into earning power which contributes to financial stability. Usually one who excels at work is well respected for his abilities. Earning respect is part of being a real man.

5) Knowing something about everything. Being smart in only one area in your life can mean you're stupid in the rest of the areas. Many RW have told me they've met too many stupid men. Lack of skills or just doing stupid things. Lily, if you were dating me and needed my help with something in your home or with a repair on your vehicle, I could easily help you. I can do everything from the floor to the roof in a home and can do minor repairs on cars. You would be impressed with my skills and knowledge. I've had a RW say "It's nice to have a man in the home" after I helped her mount something(not her) on the wall.

6) Taking care of business in life creating stability. Can't do that if a man is abusing drugs, alcohol. Got gambling addiction. Disrespectful to his boss or poor performer at work. I can go on and on talking about what creates stability and what creates problems.

7) Being a good lover. What is the sense getting into a relationship without good physical contact? I understand it's not so important for older people but most of us aren't that old. The last thing a man wants to learn is that his girl is debating whether or not she can live with his poor performance or his selfish attitude toward sex. I hope even the married couples reading this thread get motivated to kick it up a notch with their sweetheart to spice up their relationship. Don't want to slip in this category.

Being a good communicator. How can a guy get a date and repeat dates if he doesn't know how to communicate with women? One reason I tell guys to correspond with lots of women is not only to weed out the incompatible and insincere ones but to improve on their communication skills. If a guy can't improve with practice and experience, then chances are he's in a World of hurt and will most likely be lonely for most his life. Using big agencies that charge an arm and leg for communication is not the way to go to get experience. The cost discourages men from communicating with the ladies. When a guy does find a woman he likes, he won't even know if it's the real woman or agency worker. By communicating with agency workers a guy will never know if his communication skills to attract women are really effective. American dating site companies play a similiar trick as International dating sites. They have fake profiles created by company workers to send out letters. Because most American sites are paid monthly instead of per letter, the profiles aren't used to milk customers by the letter but are used to bait men to signing up.

Even though a man is a real man by my or somebody elses definitions, it doesn't mean he's going to attract all women but he will attract enough to have a big lot to choose from. Some men like to sit at home while others like to go out often and thus they won't attract women that are different from them in this respect. I would also say real men could have different views on politics or religion. Those men may not agree agree with each other but they still would be quality men that a woman can build a life and family with.

Although I've dated a lot of women, it doesn't mean I'm happy with all. If I have skills in life and qualities I possess I can offer a woman, then I would want a woman that can contribute something to our relationship too. She could possess many fine qualities and skills such as cooking tasty foods! Only then would I consider making a life with a woman. I've met some women with fine qualities and would make a great wife for someone but not me since we were opposite in various ways but it doesn't take away their ability to be a wife and mother.

And thanks for your postings, great reading   

You are welcome! I wish some men here had enough balls to handle what I said as comfortably as RW have. I prefer to earn respect from women more than the men anyway! And when you respect me, you will begin to love me.

but find it strange that you struggle with women and than lie your some Casanova here.  The Internet is a way to hide behind your confidence issues and failures

You should be happy yet you post upset and angry. If you want people to believe you actually believe in what you say, then say it in a positive way. Instead of going on attack with your claims, how about tell us your secret getting dates with hundreds of RW? Help us out.


A few days in Lviv

Lviv was not as hot as Kiev but it was still hotter than I'd like to be comfortable.

At one cafe, A found a piece of hair in her food and returned it. She got new food as a replacement and I asked a question who pays for the mistake? In America the cost of the thrown away food is absorbed by the restaurant but in Ukraine, the cost is absorbed by the worker who prepared the food. One poorly prepared meal can cost an employee a day or a few days wages.

We visited a few museums and churches and stop in at a souvenir shop. I wanted to get some gifts for my kids. A was looking at an animal figurine and I knew she collected figurines. I asked her if she liked that and A said "Bill, I'm not the person who will ask for gifts! I'm not raised in a family that takes things from other people." I responded "I asked you if you like it, not if you want me to buy it for you". She said "Oh, yes I like it" I then asked the shop keeper to take it out of the case and I bought if for A. Cost was $1.50. I knew A was a quality person with good morals and ethics. I'm just happy she didn't turn out to be like the RW some guys visit that are asking straight up without guilt for a $400 pair of shoes but then again, I pretty much knew the quality of the woman I was visiting based on lots of correspondence. If she was talking like a material girl to me on the phone and in emails, I would not have visited her.

Mom asked me if I owned a gun and I told her I owned 2 rifles. Mom nods her head in approval and smiles. I could tell she likes men with guns. I asked A if she's okay with it and she said "I don't' know. Maybe you will use them against me?" I replied "No, the rifles are for shooting 4 legged deer, not 2 legged dear. They would be used to protect you, not hurt you."

We were having a drink at an outdoors cafe when a very old lady with a cane approach. Mom gave your 5 grivna and began to speak with the lady. After a few minutes of the old lady talking A tells me "Oh Bill, please help this lady" and I give the lady some money. After the lady leaves, mom tells me this is one thing she's ashamed about living in her country and that is Ukraine doesn't take care of it's elderly. The old lady has no family and her only daughter who once financially supported her was killed by an automobile while crossing the street. Mom tells me that the government doesn't pay enough to the elderly to pay for rent, utilities and food so some without family to help have to go begging on the streets. I see a few tears fall down from mom and A's cheeks that their sunglasses couldn't cover. A doesn't not like helping most beggars on the street but it's only because she understands they have options but she does has a big heart for the right reasons and people and that's a good thing.