Life Changes...Part Deux

[GQBlues]

LOL AJ-
 
This thread has certainly gotten you hooked, buddy! Apparently, it has more wall/head-banging moments than you ever experienced on any of your circuit motocross experiences, yah?
 
That picture you posted is pretty stiff, man. How much air did you get in that? My brothers got heavily into dirt bikes and for some reason I never caught that bug. I tried it at Joshua Tree/29 Palms with them one weekend and I can see where this can be so much fun and awesome, but I neither have the cajones or the patience to pack-up and go somewhere to get down and dirty, you know...oh well. They're Harley riders, too so maybe that's the key.
 
Anyway, as for Billy (fake profiles? Really?), I like it when he post his thoughts actually. Downright entertaining. Some are pretty hilarious! Take for instance what you quoted.....
 

...I sometimes invited my ex Ukrianian wife's sister and husband to restaurants and cinema but the husband would always refuse going to the cinema although his wife's expression would be happy to go. I told my ex that her sister doesn't get to do many fun things and her husband always makes the decisions. My ex said that he Fukcs her good every night and she's happy with the marriage.

Maybe it's just me, but I find this funny, and well, a bit telling (?). The fact Billy's ex gave some pretty candid summation as to why her sis is STILL happily married - and she's not - is rather like a subtle hint-hint, know what I mean?....     
 
Anyway, at least let's hope she saw a lot of good movies if nothing else, eh?
 
Billy will be fine. I'm glad he's getting his girl.

[I/O]

I wonder has it occured to anyone 'the wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.’ Just wonderin'............... 

[Globetrotter]

Billy has 2 proverbial options..............slim, and....well...the other one.
 
Anyway, who cares.  He's a big boy, and I hope he has a great pre-nup.  Don't know him, but think he should think instead of marry...to adopt!!!
 
I always thought that one should think of marrying one's best friend.  Instead, this one-two week wonder is about to marry a toddler who has not yet raeched emotional or character maturity, and he speaks about "controlling" her!  Well that should last a few weeks, until she meets a guy in ESL who drives a bigger dozer or tractor than he does!  He only needs to read of others who have gone before him, to see "their success stories"...but again...Billy Boy is a big boy.
 
I can't think of anyone, ever, on this board, who has not wished anyone in the pursuit of their love, the best of luck, happiness and success in their pursuit........but this guy is pissing up a rope!  He can rationalize all he wants, but the result will be the same for any "mule" who sacrifices instant gratification and fantasies. 
 
Anyway, I wish him well.
 
 

[Jumper]

LOL AJ-
 
This thread has certainly gotten you hooked, buddy! Apparently, it has more wall/head-banging moments than you ever experienced on any of your circuit motocross experiences, yah?

 I enjoy billys installments for mostly the entertainment value , for his sometimnes wacky statements , but also a genuine interest in how he fared.
 

That picture you posted is pretty stiff, man. How much air did you get in that? My brothers got heavily into dirt bikes and for some reason I never caught that bug. I tried it at Joshua Tree/29 Palms with them one weekend and I can see where this can be so much fun and awesome, but I neither have the cajones or the patience to pack-up and go somewhere to get down and dirty, you know...oh well. They're Harley riders, too so maybe that's the key.

That photo is playing around a few years ago in an area
that was open then, but is now closed to off road riding.
It's in your general area, basically a bit east of the inland empire,  a bit north east of Corona(smells like chickens)
 but not as far west as redlands..or indio. I was hucking some step-up a few times, and a friend i hadnt seen in years showed up ,I was surprised to ssdee him there and actually just waving hello, dint know he took the photo..but it became a funny shot.
veeeeeery cheezy by jump or stunt standards lol.
 
 

Anyway, as for Billy (fake profiles? Really?), I like it when he post his thoughts actually. Downright entertaining. Some are pretty hilarious! Take for instance what you quoted.....
 

I like him posting his thoughts as well,
and back 40 pages or so ago when he staunchly defended the whole sercret profile thing as a fgood methid and one all RW respect in a smart man,
I dint mind stating  *Hmm, I don't think so ,lets ask them?*
 
 

Maybe it's just me, but I find this funny, and well, a bit telling (?). The fact Billy's ex gave some pretty candid summation as to why her sis is STILL happily married - and she's not - is rather like a subtle hint-hint, know what I mean?....       
 
Anyway, at least let's hope she saw a lot of good movies if nothing else, eh?


Billy will be fine. I'm glad he's getting his girl.

 I think as he points out, he will be fine either way, getting the girl or moving on to a new one if it doesn't work out.
 
Overall it may seem jaded , but in of itself it's not a bad message.
A man comfortable in his own skin and place in life generally isn't lonely. Just how it is.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

[GQBlues]

...That photo is playing around a few years ago in an area
that was open then, but is now closed to off road riding. It's in your general area, basically a bit east of the inland empire,  a bit north east of Corona(smells like chickens)  but not as far west as redlands..or indio. I was hucking some step-up a few times, and a friend i hadnt seen in years showed up ,I was surprised to ssdee him there and actually just waving hello, dint know he took the photo..but it became a funny shot.    veeeeeery cheezy by jump or stunt standards lol.

If I had to take a stab at it AJ, my money's on Moreno Valley, maybe Norco. Glen Helen (off I-15 heading towards Mtn High/Vegas) host full-blown Motocross, Bikes and Buggies, I think 2x every year IINM. But the general area you mentioned, all the way down to Temecula bred a lot of awesome USA top-riders, man.
 
Lastly, yes, I agree with you about 'confident men' not having to deal with secret profiles. There's an obvious contradiction there...But that's just me...

[Jumper]

If I had to take a stab at it AJ, my money's on Moreno Valley, maybe Norco. Glen Helen (off I-15 heading towards Mtn High/Vegas) host full-blown Motocross, Bikes and Buggies, I think 2x every year IINM. But the general area you mentioned, all the way down to Temecula bred a lot of awesome USA top-riders, man.
 
Lastly, yes, I agree with you about 'confident men' not having to deal with secret profiles. There's an obvious contradiction there...But that's just me...

 
Yes the Moreno area ,
 actually between redlands and beaumont.(a bit south,,and i guess i mistated before, as it is indeed as far east as redlands..lol)

I sort of grew up (off and on) in the  Escondido, San Marcos, and Temecula area, and rode all over there , Perris area has a few tracks still going like perris/ starwest,Competition Edge,
With  Milestonemx  over near Glen Helen, and  south is Anza,Cahuillia, Amago, and   *Pala* in that general area now for National races, as well as several others  we still test at.
Yes have rode/raced GlenH's track many many times!!
The wind gets real nasty there at times though.. lol
The owner was a friend, and he quite sadly lost a large percentage of his family and extended family  in a light plane crash (on a ski trip)  not so very long ago
They were instrumental in the *enthusiasm* to keep the place going as a National Pro track, so we will see how it all pans out,
a real shame all around. It is still open for amatuer events as far as i know? I havnt been out this year.Hopefully in the winter for some fun ,as some euro friends are coming over to the good weather to train for the 2012' GP's.
 
(edit:to reply without adding posts)
GQ, absolutely when I get back out again.. hopefully this winter sometime!
and the USGP (part of the  world GP championship seiries)was at GH in 2011 -
00:26 for *possible* devushka related content.(although i'm certain its local so'cal talent)
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another general view
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and a lap around GH,  Dennis ,the MXA rider in this vid, I've known for many  years (yeah we are both  old for this sillyness)
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[GQBlues]

**BillyB, I promise this will be the last off-topic post..okidokee?**

Yeah AJ...IIRC, Glen Helen hosted the first ever World Amateur this year. I think it was back in April or May. I have Glen Helen in my ticket pool as a lot of my clients are out-of-staters and they love coming to the Grand Prix & Motocross events held there...I didn't realize you blazed a trail on Helen's mud, dude.

But heck yeah, the Santa Ana winds are vicious and brutal. They roll off the San Gabriel mountains with a wicked vengence. When they start to blow, even semis park along the 10, 60, and 15 freeways or they'll get blown over. They've been known to toss cars two lanes over in one gust. LOL.

Oh man, Temecula rules! I have to be honest however, there's a small bit of me that hate you iron-horse riders. I used to ride a lot in Hemet and a bunch of ghost riders will cross path with us and spook the horses. We are actually seriously contemplating a second home in either Hemet or Idyllwild and set up a small ranch/stabled property with a small number of Quarters. Right now, we're split between that or a rental unit or two as the present market is deliciously tempting....

Anyway, I'll easily make an exception if you find yourself down here. My wife and I had enjoyed a few sunset dinners at Callaway's winery in Temecula and we'll be more than happy to hook-up with you down there...

Lose a dime, man. Alright?

[MarkLeftTX]

Then you'll just have to accept that other married guys around here are doing quite ok and have loving relationships.  There is no mandate for anyone to go to the TMI levels you seem to need or require of others. 

+1.


My wife is a special lady... but she was when I met her. She did not become special because I treated her with a strong hand and always let her know that I was "the man."


I post pictures from time to time. But I am too busy living my life to be on here writing about it.

[BillyB]

Then you'll just have to accept that other married guys around here are doing quite ok and have loving relationships. 

No I don't have to accept that. Your actions speak louder than words and if you're in a loving relationship and on the computer all the time then people are going to think you're neglecting your relationship for whatever reasons.
 
Here's the thing. Some people have bad manners and initiate attack other people's relationships.  I don't initiate attacks but if someone attacks my relationship, I get to return the favor. Why the hard feelings?
 

As I acknowledged prior, I think you've given some decent general advice, peppered with a lot of oddity and contradictory actions.
 
as small example:
Truly confident men don't make fake profiles billy. 
 
Calculating or insecure ones might.
 
Lets see....
 
The confident, strong,and  self assured man ,carefully crafted a secret profile, to check on his romantic interests reponces to other men..
 
funny it just doesn't seem to fit ?
 

We went over this earlier and athough most people accepted my answer, I see you and GQ still don't get it. Let me try to drive this home one more time since you want to bring it up again.
 
The secret profile was created for my benefit and A's benefit. If she is indeed honest with her feelings for me and I for her, we will both be better off. No matter how much face to face time you think you got with your long distance girlfriend, it's still not the normal or preferred way to get to know someone. I got more face to face time with local girls I decided not to marry than you do with the gal you want to marry. Should I accused you of foolishly rushing things?
 
With the lack of face to face time it's much more wise to check people's behavior and character that is so important to making a relationship work even if you use methods not ordinarily used.  Jumper, I know much more about my fiancee than you do your's because I am willing to do the hard tests to figure her out. Because she can pass the test, everthing my A says carries more weight and that is the benefit I give to her because she is true. Everything I tell you about her personality, behavior and character is true. You may be silent about your lady but you still carry more doubt about your woman than I because you just gave your trust to your woman. You didn't make her earn it.
 
It's my life and I'm going to take care of it. If I met a woman in the FSU, no matter how special our time was together, I will have some doubt and I will test her. I will not give a year of my life to an insincere woman doing a visa for her. Women like men who take care of their life. Those men are more likely to take care of family protecting them from all the crap and BS life throws their way.
 
You guys remember the guy named Harb who showed up in this thread saying he knows A and mom personally and said they are bad people? The guy didn't even faze me yet some of you who criticized me earlier for not giving 100% trust to someone I just met were too eager to believe him even after I tested A. I know enough about A that if anybody says anything bad about her, they are lying or a fool and can't tell the difference between good and bad people. A has earned her trust with me and only her actions can break the trust, not your words.
 
Lets say WM(western man) #1 meets RW #1 and they agree to marry. WM1 goes home and RW1 writes him with a fake profile and comes to realize her fiance is still searching for other women. She dumps him only losing a few weeks of her life while being committed to him. She later finds man who passes the test and they are happily married since adultry isn't part of it.
 
WM1 goes back to FSU to meet RW2 and she trusts him 100%. She spends years married to the guy and comes to learn his dishonesty runs further than adultry. She loses many good years of her life married to the guy.
 
Who is insecure? RW1 or RW2? It's not about being insecure as you want to imply Jumper. It's about stupidity and your willingness to give 100% to someone you just met is not too smart compared to those who want trust earned.
 
I"m sure there are men and women in long distance relationship wondering if their loved one is banging gf/bf #3 or #4.  Most people have some doubts so need to eliminate the doubts. I did mine with a test.
 

I wonder has it occured to anyone 'the wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.’ Just wonderin'............... 

Exactly. I've had lots of doubts. That is why I'm at where I'm at. Although some here thought I agreed to marry A quickly, I've had much more face time with women than they. I've stopped dating more women than those who stopped dating me. I doubt they would be a good match for me long term and thus change my direction in life until I found someone walking the same path.
 
It's better to date 50 women with one week face to face time than date one woman with 2 weeks face to face time. The guy who dates many has choices to make a good decision. The guy who dates one woman gives himself little room to doubt.
 

he speaks about "controlling" her! 

In the years between my last and current relationship, I got dates with over 50 women. I got 2nd dates and so on with more than 45. I like to believe that my behavior and character is what won those ladies over. Thank you all for letting me know I'm controlling, insecure, a tyrant, immoral and a pervert. Women must be stupid for being attracted to me. That is what you're saying.
 

He can rationalize all he wants,

I'm not rationalizing about my fiancee. This thread isn't about her. She's just a part of my journey and if I wrote this thread and decided to get married, you will read the same fine qualities about my woman just as you've already read about A regardless of her age. If my fiancee was 35 yo, many critics would congratulate me for finding a fine woman instead of claiming I'm rationalizing. My fiancee has many fine qualities that make her wife material and that is lacking in many of the women I've dated.
 

A man comfortable in his own skin and place in life generally isn't lonely. Just how it is.

I don't expect everyone to embrace what I've been saying but one thing is sure and that is we will continue to live our lives different and have different results. I like my results.
 

My wife is a special lady... but she was when I met her. She did not become special because I treated her with a strong hand and always let her know that I was "the man."

It's great you love your wife but are you insinuating I control women with a strong hand and remind them I'm the man.
 
Do you think a woman would be submissive to a controlling man or or submissive to a man she thinks has the qualities of a MAN?
 
Sometimes when I'm scheduling a date with a woman and she takes a long time to think about the next time she will be free, I ask her how many guys she's dating. The woman usually fumbles for an answer so I say "it's ok if you're dating other men. It's your right to find the best man for your life but until you find him, just make some time for me." That gets them to relax and understand I have no control or insecure issues.
 
I promised Pitbull a mind blowing experience and some mind blowing photos but this thread is getting long and I can't perform for her when I'm getting tired. You all know how that goes. I will post the mind blowing photos since it doesn't take much effort.
 
Months ago A told me she was invited to her cousins wedding as the brides maid. She sounded excited on the phone. I congratulated her but she said she didn't accept because she thought maybe she will have her interview at this time and she knows how much I want her to be with me. I told her to tell her cousin you'll be there at the wedding for her and we can always schedule the interview date around the wedding. A was thrilled and told me it will be her first Ukrainian wedding and thanked me profusely. She told me I'm always making good decisions for her. She asked me what can she do for me to make me happy and I told her just knowing she's happy is my happiness.
 

[tim 360]

Billy has 2 proverbial options..............slim, and....well...the other one.
 
Anyway, who cares.  He's a big boy, and I hope he has a great pre-nup.

Why would Billy ever need a pre-nup?  Sounds like everything is just fine?  Reminds me of true love or something and Billy don't need no lawyers to mess things up.

[BC]

Quote from: BC on 14 September 2011, 20:12:36

Then you'll just have to accept that other married guys around here are doing quite ok and have loving relationships.

 
No I don't have to accept that. Your actions speak louder than words and if you're in a loving relationship and on the computer all the time then people are going to think you're neglecting your relationship for whatever reasons.
 

Your lonesome butt might sit on a backhoe 8 or 10 or more hours a day but mine sits in front of a computer to bring home the bacon.  My 'commute' to work involves getting out of bed, wandering to the kitchen for breakfast with the kids and then another 20 paces or so to the office with coffee in hand. My wife sits beside me at her computer around 9/10ths of the time unless one, the other or both takes a dip in the pool to cool off or take a nap. We have the luxury of working and playing at the same time (pun intended), together 24/7, except for times like this week.. I'm on a business trip while she 'mans' the office.  We chat and skype often though so don't worry.

The kids don't get short changed either, you'll usually find them doing their homework in the office at their computers or sitting on my lap while I'm chatting with folks, on conference calls or procrastinating here at RWD.  Hell the dogs even have their own places under the desks..  Yeah, it's not 'traditional' so maybe that's why you don't 'get it'.

[Jumper]

Should I  accused you of foolishly rushing things?

Sure ! why not?
It's not a traditional relationship, and despite having several months more of actual face time than you and *A*,
I would say in the context of domestic relationships its *rushed*.
 
Recognizing something for what it actually is, instead of glossing over reality, is how i prefer to view things.
 
Did I actually accuse you of anything?
I did feel you had some time for another visit?
You dint choose to do so, that's fine?
 
 
I'm certainly pushing any traditional envelope by marrying someone i've only had  several visits and several months face to face time.
 
You use the crutch that all these relationships have little time as some justification for  only one visit..
 
why not?   hey a day,  a week 2 weeks, 3 months,
its all the same right? or is it?
where the at line is drawn is quite grey..and of course its your and *A's* choice .
 

 

With the lack of face to face time it's much more wise to check people's behavior and character that is so important to making a relationship work even if you use methods not ordinarily used. 

 I agree with you, right up to the point you cross the line of what i personally feel isn't very ethical or truly productive.
Intentional deception.
We obviously have different views on that.
 
I spend enough time with someone,in real life situations to see their behaviour and character.
 I'm quite confident and comfortable with my own assesments, without the need to play  games of creating a secret profile to *test* anyone.
You feel more comfortable doing so.
 
viv la diffe'rence! 
 

Jumper, I know much more about my fiancee than you do your's because I am willing to do the hard tests to figure her out.

 
Let me get this straight billyB.
You know much more about your fiancee, because you created a secret profile to check up on her online, and spent a total of 2 weeks with her and her mother?
Than I do about a woman I've spent a great deal more time with in her country, as well as my own ,and am living with 24/7.
 
 The same hard questions  can be asked in person, and a great deal can be assesssed about someones integrity and character,
all sans fake online profiles,  or reactions to them .
 

Because she can pass the test, everthing my A says carries more weight and that is the benefit I give to her because she is true.

So you check up on her with a secret profile, and its also for her benefit, got it.
She dint fall for some fake online persona that you threw out there.
Good.
 

Everything I tell you about her personality, behavior and character is true.

I simply doubt that it has much to do with your previous online checks.
 

You may be silent about your lady but you still carry more doubt about your woman than I because you just gave your trust to your woman. You didn't make her earn it.
 

You have truly had life changes, as you are  omniscient now?
You know how much trust I have,when it came about,  how I came about it? How much was given, or earned?
 That's amazing !!
 
Billy,
I carry absolutely zero doubts about my fiancee,she is absolutely an amazing woman, the best , and we will be married this friday. 
   I dint treat our relationship, at any point in time, as actually different, or entertaining a different set of rules or standards because  she lived in another country or because we meet over the internet.
  I took the associated risks of giving her the benefit of the doubt when meeting the first time,or at any time.
If someone doesnt give me any cause to suspect , I don't.
If they do, then I'll be wary.
A simple concept really.
 
This is the same as I would for any local woman I met on the internet or in regular life. I would not check up on them,  for a  date.Trust would build over time and with continued interaction,naturally.
 
 I did not  consider my travel time as justifying acting
 unethically or differently,only in regards to spending  enough time communicating with her to base my decision on meeting.
If i had made a bad read, it would have been on  me, and i would not have regretted that path.
A relationship begun with trust ,allowing time and interaction to verify ,  verses odd checks filled with initial insecurity and suspician where some *online test* is passed.
 
Did I give her 100% trust about all my life matters before meeting? no. I am sure she did not as well.
That would be an odd thing to do.It naturally takes time building during a relationship.
 
 I simply trusted her enough to have a date, and dinner..I mean how much trust does that take?
While I certainly had great interest in her and hoped she would meet and that we would hit it off,
 it wasnt truly diffrent than any other date?
hope for a connection.. to build on,,but with no real expectations.
 I would have a great time in Ukraine , regardless, I took no risks that I see men sometimes  sweating over here?
 
Billy ,really-
Just how much trust did it take to meet a teenage girl,for romance  in Kiev with her mother?
 
Did you really need to know whether she might entertain the idea of other romantic interests ,or how she possibly might speak to other men, to form an idea whether she'd be a good wife prospect?  You couldnt just meet her and evaluate her character in that way? the correspondence and phone calls wernt enough? You did call her in Libya before deciding to meet , right? Couldn't you just trust her actions towards you, would be similar to any decent man she found interesting?
 
If she was interested in a type of men that would not fit in well with  your ideals, or spoke with them in some manner that offended you, this would come out in normal enough  conversation and interaction.
 
I'm sure you could suss that out without the deceptions.
You see.. ? I have more belief in you than you have in yourself it seems
 
Billyb, 
I din't need to know for certain she'd meet me.
It was ok if she did not.
 I dint need to know if she could possibly  have interest in  other men or perhaps meet them.. or what she would say to them.
 
In fact ,just like any local woman, I would expect this to be normal and none of my business, until we actually met and had an exclusive relationship.
 
We had plenty of time to build true relationship trust AFTER we met and had established a relationship..
I dint need any deceptions to uncover who she was, or is.
 
 She did absolutely earn my trust by her actions ,
in regular life circumstances , certainly not by passing some  online to test I would need to be deceptive to administer.
 
This whole thing boils down to your belief that the end
 justifies the means.
 
In building a relationship, i simply find deception an odd means to any end.
 
 
 

[Steamer]

Sure ! why not?
It's not a traditional relationship, and despite having several months more of actual face time than you and *A*,
I would say in the context of domestic relationships its *rushed*.
 
Recognizing something for what it actually is, instead of glossing over reality, is how i prefer to view things.
 

Patience, patience.

[Jumper]

A K1 is what it is.
 I am not impatient, and certainly confident in my decisions,
yet I  recognize in the context of traditional relationships,
 that most K1 situations are likely viewed by the general public as rushed.
 
So I do think Billy is correct to point that out, people in glass houses  throwing stones.. and to show that most anyone on a K1 is in a similar situation regarding enough face to face time.
 
 I was more tossing pebbles , more than any stone throwing.
 
I did find the that he knows *A* much more,
 a bit amusing though,given the situation, so responded.
 

[pitbull]

I carry absolutely zero doubts about my fiancee,she is absolutely an amazing woman, the best , and we will be married this friday. 
 

Jumper,

Great news! Hope you have a great celebration! Your fiance is so lucky to have you!!

As to BillyB, I think you and him are at very different levels in too many things, morals included.  I think you would be more successful at explaining how a motorcycle engine works to a monkey 

[BC]

I wonder if A will ever see this and other BillyB threads.. -or if it will remain some dark secret.

[Ade]

I wonder if A will ever see this and other BillyB threads.. -or if it will remain some dark secret.

I would be amazed and truly impressed if Billy were secure enough to disclose this thread to her... I would be even more amazed if her reaction was a positive one.

[Jumper]

I would be amazed and truly impressed if Billy were secure enough to disclose this thread to her... I would be even more amazed if her reaction was a positive one.

 I actually wouldn't doubt that Billy might do so in time?
Overall he has handled himself well as far as all the critism..
 
I also wouldn't be shocked if *A* was accepting of the thoughts billy has expressed here.
 
She is hardly a typical woman her age, and doesn't view things similarly to what the average 19 yo does?
Seems the root of some of the skepticism? and also the stated reason billy found her interesting enough to go and meet.
 
 

[Ade]

 I actually wouldn't doubt that Billy might do so in time?
Overall he has handled himself well as far as all the critism..
 
I also wouldn't be shocked if *A* was accepting of the thoughts billy has expressed here.
 
She is hardly a typical woman her age, and doesn't view things similarly to what the average 19 yo does?
Seems the root of some of the skepticism? and also the stated reason billy found her interesting enough to go and meet.

Are you sure about that? Let's be blunt, we only have Billy's word on that and you can plainly see in this thread that he has a rather "creative" way of interpreting and massaging people's posts to suit his ego. Who is to say that any one of a thousand other people wouldn't have a totally different story to tell of Billy's encounters with A and her mother if they had been there to witness them. I certainly think that is as likely as anything else we've heard; I mean seriously, her mother giving him sex tips so he can please her teenage virgin daughter? 

[JR]

 
Someone wanting to exert that level of control that you describe isnt truly strong, its far more likely macho posturing ,covering insecurities, or simply selfisness.
 
 

AJ, are you trying to say Billy should change his name to Bully?

[Faux Pas]

 I actually wouldn't doubt that Billy might do so in time?
Overall he has handled himself well as far as all the critism..
 
I also wouldn't be shocked if *A* was accepting of the thoughts billy has expressed here.
 
She is hardly a typical woman her age, and doesn't view things similarly to what the average 19 yo does?
Seems the root of some of the skepticism? and also the stated reason billy found her interesting enough to go and meet.

If she is anything close to Billy's description as the intelligent 19 year old he says she is, I expect she has already read this thread, don't you? She probably had a fake profile and tested him the way he did her. Billy encourages this behavior if done for a "test" doesn't he? She's very smart and can do searches on Billy in 3-4 languages?


Of course Billy is the "Man" and she won't read it unless he tells her to? That must be comforting 

[BC]

She is hardly a typical woman her age, and doesn't view things similarly to what the average 19 yo does?
Seems the root of some of the skepticism? and also the stated reason billy found her interesting enough to go and meet.

None of Billy's women were 'typical'.. all were perfect, traditional women according to his reports.

IIRC one divorced, one that did not use her K1 visa he sponsored, and now 'A'.

He is obviously the perfect 'catch'.

[BC]

If she is anything close to Billy's description as the intelligent 19 year old he says she is, I expect she has already read this thread, don't you?

Think 'Clueless'.

[Faux Pas]

Think 'Clueless'.

Him or her? I vote him


 

[Globetrotter]

And just remember that Billys girl's mother was so impressed with Billy, that she "pimped" her daughter to him!!!  Yea, right....unless the mother wants a green card more than her daughter...or pimping her virgin daughter is the family business.  Believe any of this?  Nah...no red flags there, right?