Life Changes...Part Deux

[ML]

Yeah, maybe sex sells but once people run out of money, perhaps they'll tackle the topic you introduced. THAT would make quite an interesting discussion, IMO...  and one of far greater value and potential enlightenment that the Jerry Springer frenzy du jour could possibly deliver..

I don't know what the topic was that BC raised.  Please put it in a new thread so that the discussion can begin.

[Daveman]

It seems like A should have had her visa interview by now. Weeks ago, Billy said the file got sent to Kyiv. I am sure everyone is interested in the results.
 
Has anything been said about the wedding plans? Will any of A's family be attending?
 
Did her mother sew her wedding dress? Are they planning a church wedding?

While there was no actual mention of the interview... on page 62 (bwahahaha) .. BillyB made this statement at the end of a post...

 
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I'm off to Ukraine. See ya when I get back.

So perhaps the next segment in the saga will contain the result of the interview. 

In the interim perhaps one of our more talented psychics will shorten the wait for information by giving the indication of the "bones", "sizzling blood patterns", or "Ouija board".

I don't know what the topic was that BC raised.  Please put it in a new thread so that the discussion can begin.

That may be a good idea, but I surmise that at this point, if the topic DOES gain traction... it'll wind up being merged back with this thread for the obvious reason... perhaps we will try the topic again in a day or so.

Dave

[Shadow]

While there was no actual mention of the interview... on page 62 (bwahahaha) .. BillyB made this statement at the end of a post...



So perhaps the next segment in the saga will contain the result of the interview. 

In the interim perhaps one of our more talented psychics will shorten the wait for information by giving the indication of the "bones", "sizzling blood patterns", or "Ouija board".

That line was edited in by the conspiracy of the Dark Moderators who are currently holding BillyB in a medieval dungeon to cure him from his immorality.

[Gator]

That line was edited in by the conspiracy of the Dark Moderators who are currently holding BillyB in a medieval dungeon to cure him from his immorality.

 

[Wayne]

If billy left for Ukraine on the 24th, it would seem that the visa interview would have taken place by now. I think he said that he was planning to attend the visa interview with her.
 
Everyone is saying how easy the visa interview is now. I guess it just depends upon how well a 19 year old can answer the questions. Of course, if there are missing documents, it would cause "administrative processing".
 
 

[BillyB]

 



Well... It's official and in no uncertain terms, it over, done, finished.



Things started off great. I get to the airport and a beautiful tall blonde security guard pulls me out of line and tells me to follow her and leads me to some machine. I ask her if it's the machine that see me naked under my clothes and she says “yes”. I told her “You didn't need to go through all that trouble, if you wanted to see me naked, you should just ask.” She laughed and asked me to assume the position... to take my photo. She then leads me to another guard and he tell me to wait until they verify my photo is ok. I tell him “I better look more than ok. I seen myself naked this morning and I look fantastic.



When I'm at airports, there is a high percentage security pulls me out of line and do special searches on my body or carry on. They never seem to go after the kids or old ladies in wheelchairs. I'm not complaining. I feel honored they think I can cause more damage than an old lady.



After exiting the baggage claim doors in Kiev, out of the crowd a pair of high heals and tight jeans bust out of the crowd towards me. A was looking good. She crashes into my arms and started kissing me in machine gun fashion.



It's been busy here so let's move onto some Q & A before I finish the trip report.

By the State of Washington you have broken the law. Age of consent is 16 however age of consent is 18 when the predator is 60 months or older then the victim.

It's easy just to post a link to the law yet you choose to post your own interpretation misleading people. This was all talked about earlier and I'm not breaking any laws. Read post # 1688 in the link below.



http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=2243.1675

I am not Mod3, nor did I place Billy in moderated status.

Then that makes two mods that need to get out of the house more and get a dose of the real world. Before I got punished by you and mystery mod, I assumed Faux Pas was playing games with my posts and I asked for an explanation. You read that yet you and mystery mod chose not to explain but you did say “take it like a man”.



Some mods will take a page or two of posts that were off topic and announce they are splitting things up. Some mods will announce when they delete a post because it violates ToS. Their actions aren't controversial because most if not all can agree. What you're doing is turning a lot of posters off by bias moderating. You don't think Aloe should read my post so you move it. You enter into this thread that is out of your jurisdiction and delete a post. You once came out of retirement just to hammer me. I guess you don't trust your fellow mods to do a good job? You're doing damage to this forum by acting immature.






My initial post in Aloe's thread that was moved was not off topic. My first post that was deleted was not a violation of ToS. The post in this thread that was deleted was not a violation of ToS. Nobody has yet to come forward to accept the credit for deleting a post of mine in this thread. For all I know someone has messed with this thread more than just one post.

He was ashamed enough about it that he claimed he contacted her solely "for friendship".

More misinformation and reading comprehension problems. I don't search for friends. I said earlier I stopped writing to A twice because I thought that's all she's looking for. She asked me where I went and brought me back talking to her.

I have yet to see any definition of love that would include obedient and passive behaviors

I remember when I was a young man and a pastor said that God is the most important thing we should love and submit to Him. At the time I didn't think it was a good idea and why would I want a woman in my life that loves God so much? She won't have much love left to give to me.




Now I understand more. If a woman loves God, she will in turn love me more. If she's obedient and submissive to what God teaches, she will in turn be a better wife. From what I gather, the majority of both men and women here are resistant to being submissive to each other.




In Aloe's thread many have recommended Aloe to take actions that is unbecoming a wife. A move towards independence and not towards strengthening her marriage. From what I learn is many people have this philosophy when the marriage isn't ideal and that is to take a selfish stance for personal gain. I don't believe Aloe has given her all in the marriage. I suggest she do so and hopefully her immature husband learns from this and adjust. Until then any move toward independence is a move toward divorce.

If you understand that putting things out in public can turn a situation into an ugly circus, then why publicly announce this here?

I was not allowed to respond to a moderator punishing me in a PM although I tried. Remember I had to contact you in a PM to figure out what is going on?
 
  Dealing with bias moderators behind closed doors doesn't get things solved. “Take it like a man” wasn't an answer IMO. Getting things in the open isn't such a bad thing. It prevents further bad behavior/moderation.

A problem some have with your posting, and I have to concur with the sentiment here, is that you often pull spouses into the commentary... "go spend time with your wife", "you must not have a happy marriage", etc etc... which is absolutely meaningless and nothing more than fluff in a discussion.

If meaningless, then nobody should have a problem with it. You got to admit, some people are much more grumpier than others. I gave people fair warning that if they cross examine my life, I'll cross examine theirs. That's the deal and nobody should be complaining about it now. It's amazing how much time some posters wasted repeating themselves 20 times that they are unhappy with me. Yes, they should spend more time with their family instead of repeating themselves.



 

your method still hasn't proved successful.

Yes it is successful and I've proved it. One reason people enjoy reading is because they see me as a happy guy. I said earlier in this thread getting married isn't being successful so for those who think I'm teaching guys how to get married you are wrong. I'm happy single or married. That is success. I know myself, what I want and what kind of women I can attract. I will never starve for female attention.

Billy has always bosted on these forums how he lays it all out to the ladies right away as to what he wants from them (including sex) from day one so that he is not wasting his time.

Quote me. It's amazing how many people get so worked up reading my posts that they acquire reading comprehension problems. A few years ago someone in a PM to another started a rumor about me lying which worked the forum into a frenzy. I believe it was started by you Raven. So far you have a track record of making up crap.

Billy posted that the mother initially told him she "wanted to kill him".

 
More misinformation. You know what I meant or you just want to stir things up? I also said that mom adores me so much I know I could have her for a gf. Mom doesn't talk to me the way she does if she thought she wanted me dead. Remember it was you that started to plant the idea mom was trying to force A on me because she has an agenda.

When you get a chance, read page 14 of this thread. There may have been correspondence when A was 17 but I don't think there was any contact.


Also, I remember from Billy's past adventures that he wrote to every available FSUW in a wide age range and corresponded with many of them on an ongoing basis. I don't remember the number of letters that he wrote but it was a large number. It's entirely possible that when writing to A he was also writing to many others and might have missed the age. I don't get the feeling that he has ever specifically targeted under aged people.


Anyway, go back and read page 14 of this thread before you tell me that I'm wrong. . .

Steve, many of those criticizing me read what you read but it doesn't serve their interests to accept.



A was 17 when I contacted her. 5+ years ago I told the forums I communicate with lots of women and don't read their profile. They all say their wonderful women and that is the main reason I don't waste time reading. If they look good in their photo, I write. Using this method of contacting women, I dated more college girls than most men, dated more older women than most men and dated more women in between. Out of all those women young and old, I've only felt two were worth proposing to.



A has accepted all my communication with her. Mom has read everything I wrote twice and think I'm a wonderful man but some have chose to forget what I say. I submitted all my correspondence to my government and they said.....Stay tuned.



It's hard for some people to fathom one reason I'm successful with ladies of all ages is because I have good manners, a gentleman and when I date them, I take good care of them. Those who have me pegged a criminal and pervert must think the women who date me are stupid.

She met several men in their 30s (she thought 20s were too young),

I have dated college aged RW and some never date a man under 30. Young men don't stimulate their minds. Some RW are the same as the average AW, some are not. That is reality, not agency hype.

Why do't we go ahead and consider the topics of immorality, illegality, etc, closed for discussion here.
The dead horse is pretty much pulp.

After I get done with my trip report, I have a feeling the dead horse is going to get beat like never before.
 

And for the record, would you consider contacting an underage girl for friendship as within the scope of searching for a wife?

What do you mean? It's better to search for a woman for temporary use than make a life commitment to her? Earlier in this thread you would have something to do with an 18 yo but it ain't marriage. Paying for sex for short time use makes everything alright? TomT who's over 10 years older than I contacted a 19 yo. Thanks for your honesty and I don't hold anything against you or Tom but I suspect most my critics are hypocrites.

Billy has always been pretty good at telling his story and whether you all agree with him or not I'd kind of like to hear the rest of it. Hopefully without all the background noise. . .

I just wish the background noise was more of men talking about how wonderful their women are.

[Faux Pas]

My initial post in Aloe's thread that was moved was not off topic. My first post that was deleted was not a violation of ToS. The post in this thread that was deleted was not a violation of ToS. Nobody has yet to come forward to accept the credit for deleting a post of mine in this thread. For all I know someone has messed with this thread more than just one post.

My apologies. I wasn't aware there was any question of who deleted the previously moderated post that you chose to re-post in this thread. That was I

[Daveman]

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That is all I'll say on that issue and I hope everyone can sort it out on their end.
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Cool... case closed...      




Seems things went rather well with the machine gun kisses at the airport...

After I get done with my trip report, I have a feeling the dead horse is going to get beat like never before.
 

Looking forward to it.. and we'll jump that creek on a dead horse without a paddle when we get to it...

I just wish the background noise was more of men talking about how wonderful their women are.

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My wife is absolutely the most amazing, wonderful, intelligent, loving, and beautifully gorgeous woman I have ever known in my life.  She's simply the best. In fact, she's better than "Wow, a V-8", or "Dude, a DELL", she even leaves a York Peppermint Patty in the friggin DUST... and *I* am truly the ManliestMan for winning the heart of the WomanliestWoman!!!  Damn I'm, good... but she's even better... and *we* are perfection together....


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[Hammer2722]

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My wife is absolutely the most amazing, wonderful, intelligent, loving, and beautifully gorgeous woman I have ever known in my life.  She's simply the best. In fact, she's better than "Wow, a V-8", or "Dude, a DELL", she even leaves a York Peppermint Patty in the friggin DUST... and *I* am truly the ManliestMan for winning the heart of the WomanliestWoman!!!  Damn I'm, good... but she's even better... and *we* are perfection together....


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LOL

[BillyB]

 
 

My wife is absolutely the most amazing, wonderful, intelligent, loving, and beautifully gorgeous woman I have ever known in my life.

 
See how easy that is folks? Actually I'm not worried about Dave. He rarely posts under the influence of alcohol or drugs and never bangs/destroys his keyboard in anger when responding to others. What's the secret Dave? You must be happy and utilizing some of those sexual tips I got from mom earlier? I got more for you.






After machine gun kissing the long strong embrace I got from A at the airport I turn to hug mom and then shake the hand of my taxi driver who was also my apartment manager. A and mom stayed with me although they have relatives in Kiev.



We get to the apartment and I pass out some gifts. A likes Almond Roca candy so I bought her a few cans. She ate two pieces immediately and as she grabbed a third, mom grabbed it out of her hand and put it back in the can. Anybody see any similarity here compared to the “Bread Incident” in Manlooking's trip report? A was not upset and knows mom does things for the right reasons. Mom tells me it's going to be my job to make sure A doesn't eat too much candy.



Next morning A cooks breakfast for me. It was an omelet. I did not want to take the photo below but mom told me to. She thought it was funny. Everyday A would serve me food, clean my plate and table. The look on her face and attitude doing these things told me she didn't think it a boring chore but an expression of love.



Below in the bottom right corner of the photo is a plate of pistachios. Mom told me to eat them everyday. I wanted to ask why but I didn't because I was sure of the answer. I remember Gator mentioning his lady didn't want him to buy pistachios. Tell her to read the link below. One advantage of reading RWD is not only will you get tips to find a RW but you will become a better lover.


http://ezinearticles.com/?Male-Sexual-Health---For-Stronger-Eerections-and-Healthy-Heart-Eat-Pistachios!&id=547553

[Misha]

From what I gather, the majority of both men and women here are resistant to being submissive to each other.

Billy, nothing I have ever read in any of your posts ever indicated that the submission would be mutual    Everything you ever write is about you being the teacher and how you expect your wife to do as your "wisdom" dictates...

In Aloe's thread many have recommended Aloe to take actions that is unbecoming a wife. A move towards independence and not towards strengthening her marriage.

A healthy marriage takes the full participation of two people and that both respect the feelings and desires of the other. What Aloe is seeking has nothing to do with independence, rather to be treated with a modicum of fairness and to feel like she is loved from what I gather. Aloe can correct me if I am wrong 

From what I learn is many people have this philosophy when the marriage isn't ideal and that is to take a selfish stance for personal gain. I don't believe Aloe has given her all in the marriage. I suggest she do so and hopefully her immature husband learns from this and adjust. Until then any move toward independence is a move toward divorce.

So, how long do you suggest that she wait? A year? Ten? When he is on his deathbed    What I can guarantee is that doing what you suggest (being "submissive" and being dependent) will certainly guarantee that he won't change 

[Daveman]

 
 
See how easy that is folks? Actually I'm not worried about Dave. He rarely posts under the influence of alcohol or drugs and never bangs/destroys his keyboard in anger when responding to others. What's the secret Dave? You must be happy and utilizing some of those sexual tips I got from mom earlier? I got more for you.

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That's pretty much the secret. Being happy in life, relationships with others, and confident in myself to the point where I fully understand that words on a screen have only the important which I personally assign to them.. in other words.. I am the complete master of myself, my emotions, my actions and reactions.  It's not that difficult, really. 


And you betcha.. I'll utilize any tips from anywhere about ANY subject, sex included, if they make sense and the utilization increases my enjoyment of life itself.  Even the best can always improve to new and higher standards of greatness..     So, toss 'em on out there...


Excellent start to the report.. keep it rolling when you have time...  I am surprised though, that Mom came with  A again... I may have missed something earlier in the thread, but is this because of religious beliefs that the two of you not be alone together in a "questionable circumstance" before marriage? Or something else?

[Hammer2722]

That's pretty much the secret. Being happy in life, relationships with others, and confident in myself to the point where I fully understand that words on a screen have only the important which I personally assign to them.. in other words.. I am the complete master of myself, my emotions, my actions and reactions.  It's not that difficult, really. 


And you betcha.. I'll utilize any tips from anywhere about ANY subject, sex included, if they make sense and the utilization increases my enjoyment of life itself.  Even the best can always improve to new and higher standards of greatness..     So, toss 'em on out there...


Excellent start to the report.. keep it rolling when you have time...  I am surprised though, that Mom came with  A again... I may have missed something earlier in the thread, but is this because of religious beliefs that the two of you not be alone together in a "questionable circumstance" before marriage? Or something else?

I too thought it a bit odd. Billy, I hope mom does not want to also verify that you have consummated the marriage!!! 

[Jumper]

 
 
See how easy that is folks? Actually I'm not worried about Dave. He rarely posts under the influence of alcohol or drugs and never bangs/destroys his keyboard in anger when responding to others. What's the secret Dave? You must be happy and utilizing some of those sexual tips I got from mom earlier? I got more for you.

yeap, it is easy! but this is your thread about your life experiences, not about the other posters commenting
you onkly bring their life up, if thery have opinions about your ideals or actions.

i stated much the same as dave, about my fiancee/wife, minus the york peppermint patty, yet since i'm sometimes critical of your advice, you don't seem to think i'm as happy as Dave, or i'm naive in how the world works.
It's both ironic and amusing billy.
 




After machine gun kissing the long strong embrace I got from A at the airport I turn to hug mom and then shake the hand of my taxi driver who was also my apartment manager. A and mom stayed with me although they have relatives in Kiev.



We get to the apartment and I pass out some gifts. A likes Almond Roca candy so I bought her a few cans. She ate two pieces immediately and as she grabbed a third, mom grabbed it out of her hand and put it back in the can. Anybody see any similarity here compared to the “Bread Incident” in Manlooking's trip report? A was not upset and knows mom does things for the right reasons. Mom tells me it's going to be my job to make sure A doesn't eat too much candy.

I find expressing my thoughts on healthy eating, bread ,or candy ,should be adequete with another adult, they can make their very  own decisions ,(just imagine)  in their own best interest surely? and yes to include what they feel is in  the best interest of the relationship?

If I'd need to tell them ,or physically close the container .. then it's a dynamic i wouldn't find the least bit attractive in a relationship.as a joke,or goofing around,  would be one thing.
However, playing some parental role with an adult  spouse, as a way of life, just seems odd to me.
 
 
 

Next morning A cooks breakfast for me. It was an omelet. I did not want to take the photo below but mom told me to. She thought it was funny. Everyday A would serve me food, clean my plate and table. The look on her face and attitude doing these things told me she didn't think it a boring chore but an expression of love.

Yes certainly seems normal enough billy, and I would think she enjoys doing things for you.
 
 

You know it looks a lot like an omelete i'd prepare for my wife and son too? or that she might prepare for me or him  as well.
While i respect a couple who has clearly defined roles, and understand thats's what you ,and presumably *A* prefers,
I just don't find it some requirement for a happy marriage.I simply enjoy cooking.. always have. I don't feel any less manly cooking breakfast inside, or grilling shaslik or a big manly slab of ribs outdoors.lol
As long as a couple can contribute happily in various ways they both appreciate each other for .. the actual division of duties can be clearly defined, or completely fluid and dynamic.
 
Your way is ok.. so are a million other ways.
 


Below in the bottom right corner of the photo is a plate of pistachios. Mom told me to eat them everyday. I wanted to ask why but I didn't because I was sure of the answer. I remember Gator mentioning his lady didn't want him to buy pistachios. Tell her to read the link below. One advantage of reading RWD is not only will you get tips to find a RW but you will become a better lover.


http://ezinearticles.com/?Male-Sexual-Health---For-Stronger-Eerections-and-Healthy-Heart-Eat-Pistachios!&id=547553

 
lol billy
could be her intent?
 
What about their high potassium content, maybe she was just worried about you having possible hypertension or  blood pressure? they can be  good for reducing that.

 
 
anyway- just jousting a bit for fun,
thanks for the update and glad it well so far, for you both!
 

[Muzh]

We get to the apartment and I pass out some gifts. A likes Almond Roca candy so I bought her a few cans. She ate two pieces immediately and as she grabbed a third, mom grabbed it out of her hand and put it back in the can.
 

I know what you are saying. I have to do the same with my 9 yo son.

Below in the bottom right corner of the photo is a plate of pistachios. Mom told me to eat them everyday. I wanted to ask why but I didn't because I was sure of the answer. I remember Gator mentioning his lady didn't want him to buy pistachios. Tell her to read the link below. One advantage of reading RWD is not only will you get tips to find a RW but you will become a better lover.

Lucky you having a doctor for a MIL.
 
Any other recommendations she gave you? Like strap ons? The pump? I wonder if it would be cheaper in Ukraine. After all many people save a fortune by going to dentist in Ukraine.

[Faux Pas]

I know what you are saying. I have to do the same with my 9 yo son.
Lucky you having a doctor for a MIL.
 
Any other recommendations she gave you? Like strap ons? The pump? I wonder if it would be cheaper in Ukraine. After all many people save a fortune by going to dentist in Ukraine.

 

[GQBlues]

....I just wish the background noise was more of men talking about how wonderful their women are.

Eiiiyah! C'mon BillyB. Just because at times when I find myself alone and indulges myself with an occassional, harmless dose of flatulence, doesn't mean I do not hold my dearest dear to the dearest level of affection, yah know...

[BillyB]

 
A and I were sitting on the couch together and talking about the past and the events that led us to get at the point we're at. She was thankful to God for finding me. She told me if the interviewer asks why she chose me, it is an easy answer, there was no man better than I. Mom walked by and gave her version of the events. When we first communicated, she asked A “'Who is that man?' and my daughter tell me 'it's just an intelligent friend on the internet.' I later ask again who is that man and my daughter tells me the same thing. I ask again who is that man and my daughter tells me 'he will someday be my husband.' and I say 'Mama Mia!!!.'” to which we all laughed. Truth is A was careful with me and didn't give me her phone number until many months after initial contact. Mom was also active in learning who I was so it was no surprise her who I was.



A never talked much about Libya after the war started but it but mom was more open about it. She lost $39,000 in the bank there. I told her I thought Ukrainian people didn't like to use banks and if I knew earlier when the first trouble happened in Tunisia, I would have suggested to get your money out of the bank. She said a few months before the war the banks limited withdrawals to 1% of what you have in the bank. I told her the Libyan government knew trouble was brewing before the start of war.



Mom said a Philippine friend living and working in Libya told her the apartment she and A lived was bombed. Their apartment was less than a kilometer away from Ghadafi's private airport and is near apartments housing military personel so their apartment building was bombed by accident or occupied by the military after they left. I asked mom why her Phillippine friend didn't leave Libya. As some FSU women do, she answered a question with a question and it was “What is in the Phillippines?” I understood her answer to be there's still more in war torn Libya than what is in the Phillippines.

Billy, nothing I have ever read in any of your posts ever indicated that the submission would be mutual Everything you ever write is about you being the teacher and how you expect your wife to do as your "wisdom" dictates...

Of course you read it but maybe you haven't identified it. I've said plenty about submission being mutual through my own actions. Earlier I said in this thread if a man can be in the top 10%, he will have lots of women to choose from. Top 10% is not what I think it is but what women think it is and part of a man being attractive is that he shows care and the ability to take care of his woman and kids.


I didn't spend much on A at the beginning of our relationship but after earning my trust, I was there for her financially without her having to ask. I'm doing the things a MAN should do. I prepare for her arrival to America by buying her a laptop, car, and other gifts she'll need. I submit myself to work to take care of her. Those are some of the ways I'm being submissive and giving her my all. After she left Libya, I have spent more on her than on myself. I have no problem to continue to spend more on her than myself.

 
As far as being the teacher, YES, the man should be the teacher and any woman that marries a man she can't respect when it comes to wisdom is a fool to marry him. Most women will do a lot for their man if they respect him. If a woman feels her man can't make good decisions, they are in for a rough ride. Look what Aloe is going through.

A healthy marriage takes the full participation of two people and that both respect the feelings and desires of the other. What Aloe is seeking has nothing to do with independence, rather to be treated with a modicum of fairness and to feel like she is loved from what I gather.

How do you know Aloe doesn't seek independence? I doubt she fully understands the definition of marriage so it would be a little difficult for her to separate marriage and independence when her definitions may be cloudy. One thing is for certain is that Aloe is getting a lot of advice to move toward independence. She knows her own mom will recommend divorce and that's sad that people will recommend to run instead of working things out when a little trouble shows up. Moves towards independence are hostile moves in marriage.


Aloe likes to wear high heals to college and look good. Her husband pays attention to the tv a lot. She hasn't said so but I figure she does gets attention from men at college. Like most ladies, she enjoys this and a seed has been planted in her head that she made a mistake. She's dreaming of traveling the world and being in true love. Truth is most men paying attention to her will want to screw her and then leave. Most women dream of a prince but the world is full of frogs. She needs to consider these factors before divorcing. If she attempts to review all the good in her husband, she may appreciate him more.

So, how long do you suggest that she wait? A year? Ten? When he is on his deathbed What I can guarantee is that doing what you suggest (being "submissive" and being dependent) will certainly guarantee that he won't change

If she is submissive as I suggested and becomes the perfect wife, she may see quick changes in her husband. He is immature and I'll doubt he will change on his own so she will need to sit down with him and ask him if she is everything he wants and make adjustments. After she adjusts she can then let him know that she feels empty inside and needs more from him otherwise he will lose her. He can then decide what direction his marriage is to go. After she gives her all and if he still wants to watch tv over spending family time together, then she'll understand he doesn't value her over tv.


From what Aloe posted in the past, her husband is not happy with her either. She has posted some of his complaints here and in other words he feels his marriage isn't perfect either. Her husband is not wise enough to see Aloe's deteriorating feelings and thus she has to take the lead, take action, be his teacher, and repair the damage.


If I had what women have between their legs, I could do a lot better than Aloe. That is the power of the bush and some women have yet to understand this. Some women don't even have to open their legs and they can scam men for millions. If I were Aloe, it wouldn't take me long to have her youthful mind husband wrapped around my fingers. First she needs to be sweet, sexy and submissive to the point her husband will not want to lose her. If she becomes the ideal wife and he does lose her because he doesn't improve himself and become a better husband, then I will say to him “You can't fix stupid.”


If someone posts a MAN's responsibility is to fix the home and cars, support the family financially, keeping food on the table, buying the wife a car, family clothes, and making sure family has good education, most people here would agree and cheer that poster BUT if a poster here says, as I've done, it's a woman's responsibility to make sure the house is in order and do the laundry and dishes then some will label them a tyrant. Oh no! Those poor sweet women can't be responsible for those things but they fully deserve what a real MAN can provide?


Earlier in this thread I talked about a RW I dated who read a book that educates women. The book said along the lines of if you give a man microwave popcorn, he will be just as happy as if you put a meal in front of him that may have taken an hour to cook. She told me she used to cook nice meals for boyfriends and now just serve them popcorn and the book is right, men are happy. I told her someday you may find a quality man and when you go cheap on him, you will lose him. I'm sure that book will save ladies time on their chores and cut down responsibilities but the ladies embracing those teachings will never find a quality man.


A likes keeping a clean home but she doesn't like cooking. She will do those things because she loves me as I will spend my money on her to keep her happy because I love her. Some divorced women will keep a clean home and cook for their kids everyday because they love them. Too bad they didn't have that attitude when they had a husband.


Unlike Aloe, A will feel loved by her husband. Some women need love through words, some need love through flowers and gifts, some by action such as fixing or helping her redecorate the house, some by her man spending time with her, and others need by physical touch such as hugs and holding hands. I will give A all of those so that she will always feel love and understand I appreciate all she does for me. When posters want to sit in their computer room for hours and blow off their frustrations on me, I'm not joking when I tell them it's better to go and spend time with the wife. If what I say is meaningless and they've determined their wife has enough attention, sure I'll go round and round with them for hours on a Friday or Saturday night but that will end when I got a woman in the house. They'll have to find someone else to bang heads with.

I am surprised though, that Mom came with A again... I may have missed something earlier in the thread, but is this because of religious beliefs that the two of you not be alone together in a "questionable circumstance" before marriage? Or something else?

A is more strict than mom when it comes to starting her sex life due to tradition, personal and religious beliefs. Mom wouldn't care if I and A was sexually active at this moment. As for the details of what's going on now, I won't kiss and tell.


If I told mom to stay home and that I want to be with A alone, mom would respect my decision but I want mom to stay with us in the apartment. I'm already comfortable with how A behaves around me alone. I prefer to see how A and mom interact. A will soon enough be alone with me the rest of our lives. Mom won't. Mom is more of a close friend to me than a mother. She makes me laugh a lot and we talk about everything, life, love etc... with A included. When A is not around, mom may divulge into topics pertaining to sex.

I hope mom does not want to also verify that you have consummated the marriage!!!

I have a suspicion mom wants to verify I'm a good lover and her daughter will be happy when it comes to intimacy. Mom has a very open mind and understands for a marriage to be totally successful, husband and wife need to be good in all departments. So far mom is very happy with my mind, manners, attitude and demeanor so many of the questions she has for me is pertaining to sex.


I remember reading one of those Dear Abby/Ann Landers help columns and a woman wrote and mentioned one reason her marriage is so successful. She received a wedding present from her grandmother and on the card, it said “For a happy marriage, wear this everyday.” She opened the box and there was nothing in it. Mom is just like that grandma and then some. I'll explain more later.

   

this is your thread about your life experiences, not about the other posters commenting you onkly bring their life up, if thery have opinions about your ideals or actions. </blockquote>

In the last 3-4 pages some people have insinuated that I target young girls and pretend to initially write them as a friend to in turn slowly make them fall in love with me. I have also been accused of opening up hard and fast on young girls telling them what I like in sex. For those accusations I have not attacked those people's private lives but I have accused them of having reading comprehension problems. NOW, if they repeat themselves numerous times as if saying it over and over will make it become true, or if they think people are too stupid to understand what they said the first time, or if they have nothing better to do than to hammer their keyboard some more, then yes, I will tell them they should be spending more time with their family and I don't want to have their lives and I'll question their version of what marriage and family time means.

   

yet since i'm sometimes critical of your advice, you don't seem to think i'm as happy as Dave, or i'm naive in how the world works.</blockquote>

The difference between you and Dave is Dave doesn't show much emotion and never overreacts to anything I say. I was critical of you earlier because you did overreact to my posts as others have done and a call was needed to MAN up. I have talked a lot of my experiences with RW and of course talks about sex came up and some men reading felt uneasy about it. I then announce my involvement with A and this thread with some posters explode. Obviously I'm calm and relaxed about the conversations and results I have with women. Others are calm too. Some need to take a chill pill and relax.

   

I don't feel any less manly cooking breakfast inside, or grilling shaslik or a big manly slab of ribs outdoors. </blockquote>

 


You're turning me on. Too bad we're not single anymore. I'd get down on my knee and propose. Food is one way to get to my heart and so far you're winning it over with talk of manly man food.

Lucky you having a doctor for a MIL.

Lucky you have me who unselfishly shares doctor's advice. If you follow all the advice in this thread, you will be walking around with a full time hard on.


I hope nobody here takes the sex advice lightly. Hang around the forum long enough and you will hear a few married guys talk about their RW wives going to their RW gossip groups and hearing lots of complaints about husbands not performing in the bedroom. Some women have taken on the motto “If my husband doesn't take care of me, another man will.”


Sexual incompatibility can hurt a marriage. Many other factors can hurt. Gator mentioned earlier that it's risky marrying a young woman. I've said that years ago too. I understand young people change and I've weighed those risks and can accept what is present. I've factored in that good young people usually change for the better. Why is A better than most women I've dated? Why didn't I propose to one of the many other women I dated? The other women posed risks to me in different ways that are deal breakers. Different views on the roles of husband and wife, different religions, different politics and some have mental/anger issues. Many are great women but after my past marriage, I know marriage with an incompatible person won't lead to happiness. I would prefer to stay single than miserable as Aloe is currently feeling. A has given me the impression that she is solid in her beliefs and thus she would be more stable than the other women. Her personal, religious beliefs, and family traditions give me the impression she is not likely to stray from her current beliefs. A lot of single men in this endeavor are just happy to catch the first pretty photo they see. Communicate, communicate, communicate and get to know the woman before marriage to reduce chance of divorce. Walk away if something isn't right.

 

Eiiiyah! C'mon BillyB. Just because at times when I find myself alone and indulges myself with an occassional, harmless dose of flatulence, doesn't mean I do not hold my dearest dear to the dearest level of affection, yah know...

 
Who are you trying to fool? I recognize that belly face anywhere and I understand your wife is taller than you but that is not your wife in the photo! I remember her being much better looking.

[Misha]

I submit myself to work to take care of her.

So if you did not have A you would quit your job and live in a cardboard box on a grate somewhere    Submission is more than doing what you would do anyways.


To clarify, this is how Dictionary.com defines submitting:


sub·mit   [suhb-mit]   verb, -mit·ted, -mit·ting.

verb (used with object)
1. to give over or yield to the power or authority of another(often used reflexively).
2. to subject to some kind of treatment or influence.
3. to present for the approval, consideration, or decision ofanother or others: to submit a plan; to submit an application.
4. to state or urge with deference; suggest or propose (usuallyfollowed by a clause): I submit that full proof should berequired.

Those are some of the ways I'm being submissive and giving her my all.

Sorry, doing what you would do anyways even when single is not being "submissive."

If someone posts a MAN's responsibility is to fix the home and cars, support the family financially, keeping food on the table, buying the wife a car, family clothes, and making sure family has good education, most people here would agree and cheer that poster BUT if a poster here says, as I've done, it's a woman's responsibility to make sure the house is in order and do the laundry and dishes then some will label them a tyrant. Oh no! Those poor sweet women can't be responsible for those things but they fully deserve what a real MAN can provide?

I am not a proponent of the MAN's responsibilities as you define them either. I believe that a family is responsible for planning the budget and together they decide on major purchases including cars. Maybe they will buy a car, maybe they won't. Both help out when they can, how they can.

Earlier in this thread I talked about a RW I dated who read a book that educates women. The book said along the lines of if you give a man microwave popcorn, he will be just as happy as if you put a meal in front of him that may have taken an hour to cook. She told me she used to cook nice meals for boyfriends and now just serve them popcorn and the book is right, men are happy.

If my wife were we making popcorn for supper, I would certainly insist on cooking 

[GQBlues]

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Who are you trying to fool? I recognize that belly face anywhere and I understand your wife is taller than you but that is not your wife in the photo! I remember her being much better looking.

 
LOL. Yeah, wifey is taller in that pic, man. She's just a tad bit on the heavy side is all.
 
 
But good to see you haven't lost some your sense of humor, BillyB. Congratulations and I do hope the very best for both of you.
 
 
There's been so many uptight people around here these days....
 
 

[Maxx2]

I have a suspicion mom wants to verify I'm a good lover and her daughter will be happy when it comes to intimacy.

This sorta creeps me out. Maybe because I'm old fashioned.

[Maxx2]

Who are you trying to fool? I recognize that belly face anywhere and I understand your wife is taller than you but that is not your wife in the photo! I remember her being much better looking.

Before Matt and I had our falling out he sent me some wedding photos.

[Daveman]

This sorta creeps me out. Maybe because I'm old fashioned.

Or Mom could be even older fashioned and is waiting around to snatch the wedding linen ... 

[tim 360]

I'm so not interested in all this pointless age stuff bickering. She's legal--get over it.
 
Billy, how was the omlette she cooked?  When is the interview?  Are you bringing Mama to the interview?   

[Gator]

BillyB,
 
 
I hope the interview went well and that your plans are progressing well.  Meanwhile one of your statements seemed very odd.
 

I have a suspicion mom wants to verify I'm a good lover and her daughter will be happy when it comes to intimacy. Mom has a very open mind and understands for a marriage to be totally successful, husband and wife need to be good in all departments. So far mom is very happy with my mind, manners, attitude and demeanor so many of the questions she has for me is pertaining to sex.

I did not read all of your post (and perhaps only 25% of the entirety of this thread), so I don't know the context.  This statement is probably misinterpreted by those looking for something negative.   
 
When posting you do not use "smileys" so it is not always clear when you are serious and when you are enjoying a good laugh.  The absurdity of this statement alone makes me think that you are pulling our leg.  For purposes of dealing with your naysayers, I suggest two options to avoid controversy:
 
1.   Use smileys, or
2.   Make it even more absurd by adding, "Mama took me for a test ride to make sure her daughter would be sexually satisfied."
 
Otherwise some of your naysayers will use this as ammo.  Maybe you relish controversy?