why are Russian/Ukrainian women so greedy and materialistic??My thoughts on RW u

[Gator]

Brad,

A much better presentation.  Thanks!

I take that to mean that I should give sincerely of myself all that I can give, which is what I have done.   

Perfect.  My antonym for greedy is  generosity.   It embraces one's time, emotions and spirit as well as money, i. e. holding nothing back.  A man who is generous only with his money is trying to buy a woman.

Ultimately, if one is to marry, one should feel comfortable about  going "all in."

I don't need to agree with some here, I can draw my own conclusions.

You are correct.  Opinions here are too diverse to agree with everyone.

I don't agree with RW perception about the meaning of greed....

When reacting with women, their perception is more important than your sense of reality. 

Misha himself has agreed with me that the ones who complain about a man being greedy, are in all likelihood the ones who are greedy themselves.

 

Or, these are women who had a bad experience with greedy men and do not want to enter that river again.  You and Misha are similar in some other ways IMO.  Nothing wrong with that.  All of us at RWD are different as are the RW we encounter, yet we share so much.  Some of us do not respect these differences.

what I am arguing is that there are a growing number of RW/UW who are not happy with how much you can give them;  they will always want more and more until you are bankrupt.  than they move on to their next victim like a vampire.  who is greedy, the victim or the vampire?

Neither.

The man who spent everything would not be considered greedy by RW.  They would think him to be "stupid." 

And there are RW and AW who will do this without remorse.  Such women are not greedy; they are worse.

Onward and upward!

[Misha]

it's the ones who hide their true intentions that make it difficult to wade through the minefield.

I am with Shadow on this one. It is usually very apparent, men will however ignore the obvious when driven by desire 

[chivo]

WTF!!  so now I am greedy because I was first generous and spent all of my money??  don't worry about my ability to plan for the future.  I am making money as we speak.  don't russian women say go out and make some more money??  your logic is back ass wards.  

Let me first say I mean no ill will towards you. You can take what I have to say and throw it out the door, because what you choose to do has no consequences to my life, but it is incredibly apparent that you are not ready for this venture at this point in time of your life.

Not mentally as you continue to operate from an American point of view and fail to understand the differences in the culture, not emotionally as you hear but refuse to listen and currently are too thin skinned for RW, and not financially as you just don't have the funds to properly go about it...again AT THIS TIME.

Let me try to help you with the RW viewpoint on greedy; if you keep score of every expense you make, and its obvious from your posts that you do, that in and of itself is the bottom line definition of greed. It doesn't matter how much money you spend, but it sure and the hell does if you keeping track. Any normal RW understands a man's budget and would not purposely try to clean him out.

My advice would be to regroup, build up a decent operating base of money and get a better handle on how the women think in this neck of the woods because it is somewhat different.

I want you to succeed, really, but unless you change your strategy I wish I could tell you that you even have 2 chances to be successful, but I can't...slim has left town.

[brad5959]

Chivo,

go back and read ALL of the posts, especially the helpful ones like from Misha, GregfromGa, sjg-uk and BillyB.  than go fly a kite on a rainy day with plenty of lightning. 

my chances of success are much better than you think, and I obviously don't care what you think.

[Gator]

Brad,

Chivo is a resident of Moscow.  He has been there for a long time, and doing just fine with the women.

Chivo does not post much, yet when he does he is on the mark.  Chivo was trying to help.  He happened to say something that needed to be said, yet something you did not want to hear,

Rather than downplaying Chivo, you should think about his suggestion. 

[brad5959]

Gator,

re Chivo.  how do you know he is doing just fine with the women, have you met him in person and witnessed first hand?  and which women?  the "professional" women?
I notice he is not married, and now you tell me he lives in Moscow, one of the most expensive cities in the world, which I never plan to visit.  he is not even remotely qualified to offer me advice.

[groovlstk]

Rather than downplaying Chivo, you should think about his suggestion. 

 

[brad5959]

[Gator]

Brad, did you formerly post under the name "Phantom?"

[brad5959]

Brad, did you formerly post under the name "Phantom?"

no.  I am somewhat new to this forum.

[Shadow]

no.  I am somewhat new to this forum.

It sort of shows.

You should ask yourself what your purpose here is. If you come here to get advise, it would be good to listen to the things you do not like more as to the things you like.
If you come here to get support for the opinions you already have engraved in stone, do not expect to get a lot of cheers.

You do not wish to visit Moscow because it is too expensive, yet you have a problem with women calling you stingy ? Actually they might have a point.
Women will relocate to another country for two main reasons. The first being love, the second a better life. However they do not expect these two to be mutually exclusive.
Besides your qualities as a person, for a woman to follow you to your country it would be needed that you can offer her security. At this time you seem to fail that part, which is what Chivo tried to point out to you.

[brad5959]

It sort of shows.

You should ask yourself what your purpose here is. If you come here to get advise, it would be good to listen to the things you do not like more as to the things you like.
If you come here to get support for the opinions you already have engraved in stone, do not expect to get a lot of cheers.

You do not wish to visit Moscow because it is too expensive, yet you have a problem with women calling you stingy ? Actually they might have a point.
Women will relocate to another country for two main reasons. The first being love, the second a better life. However they do not expect these two to be mutually exclusive.
Besides your qualities as a person, for a woman to follow you to your country it would be needed that you can offer her security. At this time you seem to fail that part, which is what Chivo tried to point out to you.

I have been looking into and studying courtship and marriages between western men and women of the FSU for many many years.
what shows is that you would rather attack me than answer the original question which was posted.
not wanting to go to Moscow has absolutely nothing to do with being stingy.  I prefer small town girls.  I live in a small town.  why would I ever try to take a big city girl to live in a country small town??  that does not work.  and it has nothing to do with being able to offer the lady financial security.  the right lady will be perfectly happy with my home and what I have to offer her.

[Boethius]

Have you considered other aspects which will have an impact on the dynamic of your relationship, such as how accepted your FSU bride be in your small town?  Are you willing to move if this is an issue?

[Misha]

You and Misha are similar in some other ways IMO. 

Pray tell us, how we are similar Gator   ???

[Daveman]

I have been looking into and studying courtship and marriages between western men and women of the FSU for many many years.

Where have you been studying for years?  I dunno, you do seem to regurgitate what sounds like some agency hype...  and remember people who disagree with what you are posting and make suggestions for consideration are not attacking you. If you perceive it as such, that's your responsibility - not theirs...

.... the right lady will be perfectly happy with my home and what I have to offer her.

Undoubtedly correct.  Hope you connect with her soon.

[Gator]

Pray tell us, how we are similar Gator   ???

Less now than I first thought, and nothing negative.

[BillyB]

Have you considered other aspects which will have an impact on the dynamic of your relationship, such as how accepted your FSU bride be in your small town?  Are you willing to move if this is an issue?

Brad is actually one of the smarter guys on this issue. He has no interest in big city girls and understand they will have little interest in him and a small town.

My grandmother lives in the biggest city in Dallas County, Missouri. It has over 2000 people. Surrounding towns may have a few hundred or a few dozen. She talks of a few guys marrying foreign ladies but based on who is doing it per population, it's a high ratio and probably the thing to do if ladies are scarce. People don't want to be lonely forever and the internet has helped bring people together.

As long as Brad is honest with the ladies he writes to, they should only care about their happiness instead of what other people think. If they need other peoples opinion on who they should marry or it bothers them on what other people think, they should not get married.

[Boethius]

Billy, there are lots of stories on Russian language forums about how an FSU bride could not adjust to small town America, where she was viewed as either an enemy or an alien.  It is not about what other people think, it is about isolation.

[BillyB]

Billy, there are lots of stories on Russian language forums about how an FSU bride could not adjust to small town America, where she was viewed as either an enemy or an alien.  It is not about what other people think, it is about isolation.

I know about those stories but it's usually small town guy not disclosing his life to big city woman and she comes to America and go in shock.

If the RW married a rude or crazy dude, she will be viewed as an enemy. If she married a fine citizen of the town, she will be welcomed. The way people view her and treat her will depend on the quality of the man she married.

Isolation isn't a bad thing if one is used to it. I hope Brad stays brutally honest with the RW about the size of his town and the lack of discos.

[Boethius]

FSU villages are not isolated.  People from villages and smaller towns, in many respects, are less isolated than city dwellers.

I'm not talking about discos, or restaurants, or a lack of cultural amenities (many Russians believe America is a cultural wasteland no matter where you are).  I'm talking about the day to day interaction with people, often in areas where there are no immigrants, or only Mexican immigrants.  It's nice to believe that people will be good and kind and welcoming, but that is not a universal reality.

[BillyB]

 It's nice to believe that people will be good and kind and welcoming, but that is not a universal reality.

Everyone, including us will experience the actions of those who doesn't like them and it's not fun but it happens and we all have to face those situations. It'll be a time like that a RW will see what her man is made of. If a guy's got good friends and good family and they are good people, they will take her in like family. If not, she will be a reject.

My mother came here almost 40 years ago to the location of towns I just described. My grandfather was a racist but took care of her and loved her as one of his own kids simply because she was married to his son, my father. My mother was from the biggest city in Vietnam but she doesn't regret living in a small town since she felt love and acceptance from my dad, his family, and his friends. One thing that helped her adapt is her goal to make a happy family no matter where she lived. If a woman is focused on "WE" instead of "ME", then she'll likely handle any situation.

[brad5959]

Have you considered other aspects which will have an impact on the dynamic of your relationship, such as how accepted your FSU bride be in your small town?  Are you willing to move if this is an issue?

people are very friendly here and she would be welcomed with open arms.  there is also a large Ukrainian community here.  there is a large cosmopolitan city 35 minutes away, with Ballet, Opera, museums, etc.  I would enjoy taking her to any cultural event etc in the big city which she wants to go to.

[Shadow]

I have been looking into and studying courtship and marriages between western men and women of the FSU for many many years.
what shows is that you would rather attack me than answer the original question which was posted.
not wanting to go to Moscow has absolutely nothing to do with being stingy.  I prefer small town girls.  I live in a small town.  why would I ever try to take a big city girl to live in a country small town??  that does not work.  and it has nothing to do with being able to offer the lady financial security.  the right lady will be perfectly happy with my home and what I have to offer her.

You were the one who linked Moscow being expensive and not going there. As for being from a small town I partially agree with you. Though I (coming from a relatively large city) currently live with my Moscow wife in a town of 5000 people and we both love it.

[Sculpto]

So, I told my husband "Honey, I will be working long hours, and will have limited time.  You choose in which room you wish me to become expert."  Well, he didn't choose the kitchen, and he's still happy.

I am gonna remember that one.. I will be using it in reverse for sure!

[ECOCKS]