Is this RW a wacko or setting up for a scam?

[info_man]

Hello, I am new at this and from what I am hearing this finding a RW  seems overated, but of course I know i could be wrong. I heard someone  saying exect t send 50k finding your one and only RW is this room. I am  thinking to myself, what the hell for..How can anyone sell the idea  that somehow women from Russia would make a better wife than an AM? I  live in San Diego and there is alot of hot chicks here, yeah alot of  them materialistic, but there is still some real down to earth genuine  hotties. Ok I got off track, but I went to Personals.ru recommended by  a member here and it's free. I get a response from a little cutie and  replied with a basich hi nice to meet u letter. She replies with the  2nd letter and here it is. After reading this, she is eighter got some  serious mental problems or setting me for a scam thinking I so damn  desperate that  I will take the bite. Let me know what is your  views on this? Thanks....she wants me to call her too.


[size="2"]Fhanks for your e-mail,I'm very happy to reseived     your letter.[/size]        [size="2"]I tell you more about myself:[/size]        [size="2"]They say I'm quit easy going,I have difficulties     in communication.Sciencere and want to see the same in [/size]        [size="2"]attitude to myself.I can be quiet and can be "not     quiet".I have sence of humour and it's never boring with me.I'm[/size]        [size="2"]trying to communicate with people I like and if I     like somebody I really care about his or her mood I'm always   going[/size]        [size="2"]till the end in achieving my goals.There's     nothing unachievable for me in this world.And if I would have     somebody[/size]        [size="2"]near nme,together we can "move the mountains"!!!     I'm mature person and know what I do and want.[/size]        š        [size="2"]My interests are very variable.I love sports and     active way of life.I adore to learn something new.I don't wanna     stop[/size]        [size="2"]on one foregn language,the same as one     University.I like to travel,to see new places,to learn about newn     cultures[/size]        [size="2"]and new mentalities.Also,sex is very important to     in my life.[/size]        š        [size="2"]What  I searching in you:First of all I want to see non-egoistic,independent  in all branches and meanings of this word,man.[/size]        [size="2"]In this case the age doesn't play any role.I'm     searching for reliable,nice man,with good sence of humour and     serious[/size]        [size="2"]attitude to life.My man should respect me and my     wishes and understand me whatever in this life can happen.From my   [/size]        [size="2"]side,as  an understanding person,I will give the same and even more,but only if  I will see real interest and care to myself.[/size]        š        [size="2"]You know,I like you very much and I think you're     very kind,tender and romantic person.[/size]        [size="2"]Yes,I know,very difficult to know each other     better only for writing letter...[/size]        [size="2"]I thinkš you don't want to be only     penfriend,I'm undersand,same to me.[/size]        [size="2"]I'm looking forward to see you.Maybe when we'll     see each other,we can live together.[/size]        š        š        [size="2"]LET'S TRY TO KNOW EACH OTHER     BETTER!!![/size]  

Info_man

I can't stop laughing everytime I read this.. should I reply " are you off your freaking meds"

[Casanova]

the rule of thumb is very simple... never spend money, and never SEND money to a woman you've never met face to face or in person.  If you keep this number ONE golden Law in mind when dealing with the FSU women, you'll be fine  

[info_man]

I might give her some money for phone sex..just kidding. I was born at night,but not last night.

[Casanova]

most foreign men are not aware of the Ukrianian realities, and just how convincing and smooth talking the insincere or scamming ladies can be.  I saw one belated and happy UW come out of an internet cafe on Kraschetyk, who had just recieved a wire for $1000 from a very ignorant or very charitable man in the states...  she was heading for the Western Union...

    Maybe you have some knowledge, but until you've spent time "over there" living, you really are most likely clueless (unless you study and research a lot of accurate posts by others with experience).

 

[jb]

My wife says you simply cannot trust a Ukrainian.  Of course she's  a Russian, and the Ulrainians all say you can't trust a Russian.

Who do you believe?

[info_man]

 wrote: Now that is funny

My  wife says you simply cannot trust a Ukrainian.  Of course she's a  Russian, and the Ulrainians all say you can't trust a Russian.

Who do you believe?
                                                                                                                                   

[Bruno]

[user=686]info_man[/user] wrote:

After reading this, she is eighter got some serious mental problems or setting me for a scam thinking I so damn desperate that  I will take the bite.

Can you explain what lead you to these conclusion ?

She only ask you to not be a keyboard Romeo and that she wish a meeting... what wrong with this ? Until now, it is no evidence of some scam !!!

Do you know how much western men write to FSU women but never visit them...

[info_man]

most foreign men are not aware of the Ukrianian realities, and just how  convincing and smooth talking the insincere or scamming ladies can be.   I saw one belated and happy UW come out of an internet cafe on  Kraschetyk, who had just recieved a wire for $1000 from a very ignorant  or very charitable man in the states...  she was heading for the  Western Union...

    Maybe you have some knowledge, but until you've spent time "over  there" living, you really are most likely clueless (unless you study  and research a lot of accurate posts by others with experience).--

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Oh I have met some smooth talking women right here in America and I am sure the WM don't monopolize this.

 I hardley doubt most foreign man are not aware of how a certain  women could be dishonest in any country. It not the  because UW  are so smooth, it's the poor smuck himself.

I have communicating with some experienced men about the culture and  realities of UW and RW and the way they are over there and it didn't  make me want to look for a wife. I have done just fine here, and hell  if I ever do make a decision seeking a foreign wife my next door  neighbor called Mexico is a cheaper and just has nice of place as  any  in  seeking my  true love. I will keep researching  and eventually visit FSU when I am ready,,, It's not like I am in a big  hurry.

If you read that letter their was nothing smooth about it. I would bet  it some dude named Boris writting it or one desperate dellusional  female.

My only question is should I play along or just tell her I am not  interested and good luck in finding whatever it is your think your  looking for. I thing I will continue the letters to see what happens  for my own amusement...yeah why not. If its a scammer? well lets just  say I will play a mouse anc cat game with them.

Info_Man

[Shadow]

If you have no interest better tell and stop writing. You will get nothing out of Boris.

The letter could be written by anyone.

[Bruno]

[user=686]info_man[/user] wrote:

My only question is should I play along or just tell her I am not interested and good luck in finding whatever it is your think your looking for. I thing I will continue the letters to see what happens for my own amusement...yeah why not. If its a scammer? well lets just say I will play a mouse anc cat game with them.

And what if she is not a scammer... you got use some weeks, maybe month for game with her... maybe with time, she will become a member from anti-date and explain how ( | ) are western men...

People like you have not respect of other and ruim our reputation ( who is already bad )... you don't deserve to find a wife when i see the low respect of people you have :?

 

[info_man]

My  only question is should I play along or just tell her I am not  interested and good luck in finding whatever it is your think your  looking for. I thing I will continue the letters to see what happens  for my own amusement...yeah why not. If its a scammer? well lets just  say I will play a mouse anc cat game with them.

And what if she is not a scammer... you got use some weeks, maybe month  for game with her... maybe with time, she will become a member from  anti-date and explain how ( | ) are western men...

People like you have not respect of other and ruim our reputation ( who  is already bad )... you don't deserve to find a wife when i see the low  respect of people you have :?[/quote]



Respect? who the hell are you to say I don't deserve a wife. How do I have low respect?
what's with this western man crap. get over it dude. Like Russian men  are some breed to brag about. I only have written her a hello nice to  meet you letter and she is already talking about how we could live  together. You don't find that strange? I haven't done anything to  disrepect her or any other UW RW. Like I have the power to ruin the  reputation of western men. Oh and if I hear someone in here  bashing the US with their left wing propanda who damn right I will step  in and say something. There is alot of good men and women dying  overseas, and when someone throw out anti american comments based on  lies during time of war, yeah it get personal buddy.I love my country  the good and bad, no country is perfect just like any wife isn't  perfect. It is like children, we love them despite thier imperfections  unconditionally. America is not perfect, but what country is, just like  children aren't perfect and if you only point to child negatives  and not praise him for the good deeds too, how do you thinkthey will turn  out?

Please don't talk to me about respect cause you have no sense what the word means based on your statement above.

Info_Man

[Oosik]

For motivation, think of this:

Imagine a woman who dreams of marriage, not afraid of it.
Imagine a woman in her early 20's who will talk with you about mutual wishes to be married in the next year, instead of telling you she wants to "have fun" (be a slut) until she is 30.
Imagine a woman who thinks it is just as important to look and be hot for you after marriage as it is before marriage.
A woman who does not stop giving certain sexual favors after she marries you.
Imagine a woman who honestly believes "Why say yes in a church and no in a bed"
Imagine a woman who values "her man" more than "her career"
Imagine a woman who has her act together, maybe she can speak 2-3 languages, has a university degree, yet still wants you to be the head of the family.
Imagine a woman who LOVES it when you act like a gentleman and treat her like a lady.
Imagine a woman who doesn't have "feminist moments", even though she is as capable as anyone.
Imagine a woman who is comfortable in heels, and has great legs and butt to show for it.

Obviously your milage may vary, but if you get a decent, AVERAGE FSU woman, this is what you get. If you want to proceed, you just have to realize that you have to learn how to separate the wheat from the chaff. Write this lady, and see how the letters change in time. Write to others also, learn from it. She sounds already like she is offering to live with you if you visit her, so thats a huge red flag, but continue, and learn to read between the lines so that when you write someone real, you will know it.

[info_man]

For motivation, think of this:

Imagine a woman who dreams of marriage, not afraid of it.
Imagine a woman in her early 20's who will talk with you about mutual  wishes to be married in the next year, instead of telling you she wants  to "have fun" (be a slut) until she is 30.
Imagine a woman who thinks it is just as important to look and be hot for you after marriage as it is before marriage.
A woman who does not stop giving certain sexual favors after she marries you.
Imagine a woman who honestly believes "Why say yes in a church and no in a bed"
Imagine a woman who values "her man" more than "her career"
Imagine a woman who has her act together, maybe she can speak 2-3  languages, has a university degree, yet still wants you to be the head  of the family.
Imagine a woman who LOVES it when you act like a gentleman and treat her like a lady.
Imagine a woman who doesn't have "feminist moments", even though she is as capable as anyone.
Imagine a woman who is comfortable in heels, and has great legs and butt to show for it.

Obviously your milage may vary, but if you get a decent, AVERAGE FSU  woman, this is what you get. If you want to proceed, you just have to  realize that you have to learn how to separate the wheat from the  chaff. Write this lady, and see how the letters change in time. Write  to others also, learn from it. She sounds already like she is offering  to live with you if you visit her, so thats a huge red flag, but  continue, and learn to read between the lines so that when you write
someone real, you will know it.

Hello Oosik, thanks for the well thought out response. If was very useful and we definitley take your sensible advise.

Info_Man

[Admin]

For motivation, think of this:

Imagine a woman who dreams of marriage, not afraid of it.
Imagine a woman in her early 20's who will talk with you about mutual wishes to be married in the next year, instead of telling you she wants to "have fun" (be a slut) until she is 30.
Imagine a woman who thinks it is just as important to look and be hot for you after marriage as it is before marriage.
A woman who does not stop giving certain sexual favors after she marries you.
Imagine a woman who honestly believes "Why say yes in a church and no in a bed"
Imagine a woman who values "her man" more than "her career"
Imagine a woman who has her act together, maybe she can speak 2-3 languages, has a university degree, yet still wants you to be the head of the family.
Imagine a woman who LOVES it when you act like a gentleman and treat her like a lady.
Imagine a woman who doesn't have "feminist moments", even though she is as capable as anyone.
Imagine a woman who is comfortable in heels, and has great legs and butt to show for it.

Obviously your milage may vary, but if you get a decent, AVERAGE FSU woman, this is what you get. If you want to proceed, you just have to realize that you have to learn how to separate the wheat from the chaff. Write this lady, and see how the letters change in time. Write to others also, learn from it. She sounds already like she is offering to live with you if you visit her, so thats a huge red flag, but continue, and learn to read between the lines so that when you write someone real, you will know it.

Over-idealized.

FSU women are mere mortals - no need to build them up to be something impossible.

- Dan

[Admin]

[user=686]info_man[/user] wrote:

Oh and if I hear someone in here  bashing the US with their left wing propanda who damn right I will step  in and say something. There is alot of good men and women dying  overseas, and when someone throw out anti american comments based on  lies during time of war, yeah it get personal buddy.I love my country  the good and bad, no country is perfect just like any wife isn't  perfect. It is like children, we love them despite thier imperfections  unconditionally. America is not perfect, but what country is, just like  children aren't perfect and if you only point to child negatives  and not praise him for the good deeds too, how do you thinkthey will turn  out?

Please keep the political issues OFF the board.

- Dan

[Oosik]

Sure they are mere mortals, but hey, if the average single babe over there wasn't a heck of a lot better than what we have here, this forum wouldn't exist. Not every woman met all those criteria that I listed, but all of them met most, and some did meet all.

But then you said you never got into the mob thing? Out of curiosity, how many RW/UW have you dated?

[TigerPaws]

[color="#0000ff"][size="4"] [color="blue"]Of course they (RW/UW) are mere motrals, but  as Oosk said there IS some BIG differences, before my son headed off to basic  training I took him over to Sochi in August for almost a month and believe me  after he returned he had a very different opinion about American girls and it  was NOT nice.[/color][/size][/color]

[Turboguy]

My two cents worth on it was more in line with Bruno that with you infoman.  I don't see anything in her letter that says she is definately a scammer.  All she really says is she is active and enjoyes a lot of things.  Sex is important to her, she wants a husband and not a pen friend and age is not important to her. 

Saying age is not important is a small indicator.  I don't like the mention of sex in a first letter but it does not mean a lot.  Most of us are not looking for pen friends.  If you are going to dump her, pm me her member #, and I'll write to her. 

 

[TigerPaws]

My two cents worth on it was more in line with Bruno that with you infoman.  I don't see anything in her letter that says she is definately a scammer.  All she really says is she is active and enjoyes a lot of things.  Sex is important to her, she wants a husband and not a pen friend and age is not important to her. 

Saying age is not important is a small indicator.  I don't like the mention of sex in a first letter but it does not mean a lot.  Most of us are not looking for pen friends.  If you are going to dump her, pm me her member #, and I'll write to her. 


[color="blue"][size="4"]Turbo, you are a dirty old man;)

By-the-way I thought you were to be across the pond by now?
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[Turboguy]

Yes, I am Tiger.  I am sitting in my apartment in Kiev right now.  I arrived today.  Todays date was short.  It was her mothers birthday.   I just hope it is not a sigh of things to come.  I have 4 more days with her I hope.  Darn, it sure is nice to have an apartment with high speed internet.  It is freezing here now.  Colder in Russia though.  -30C in parts of Russia, only -10 here.

[Bruno]

[user=686]info_man[/user] wrote:

How do I have low respect?

I only have written her a hello nice to meet you letter and she is already talking about how we could live together. You don't find that strange? I haven't done anything to disrepect her or any other UW RW.

No, her letter is not strange... if like me, you was someone who don't write perfectly english, you will understand what she mean by :

"Yes,I know,very difficult to know each other better only for writing letter... I thinkš you don't want to be only penfriend,I'm undersand,same to me. I'm looking forward to see you.Maybe when we'll see each other,we can live together. š š LET'S TRY TO KNOW EACH OTHER BETTER!!! "

She don't wish a keyboard Romeo... she wish a meeting where you will be together ( way several time recommended on the forum and who allow both partner to know each other before start a K1 )...

Don't you think that meet and stay together during the meeting is the right way... share day and night with you partner before be married... this method allow see the quality and lack of the futur partner in the daily life...

When you wrote :

"I thing I will continue the letters to see what happens for my own amusement...yeah why not. If its a scammer? well lets just say I will play a mouse anc cat game with them."

Is it a sign of respect that game with the feeling of a woman when you have no interest... only in the hope to discover that she is a scammer... and what if she is not a scammer... you have game with her, she have loose time with you, she have loose trust ... do you think that so game with women is a sign of respect... don't be surprised to find yourself in a list of men scammer if you act like this...

[info_man]

I only have written her a hello nice to meet you letter and she  is already talking about how we could live together. You don't find  that strange? I haven't done anything to disrepect her or any other UW  RW.

No, her letter is not strange... if like me, you was someone who don't  write perfectly english, you will understand what she mean by :

[size="2"]"Yes,I know,very difficult to know each other better only for writing letter...[/size] [size="2"]I thinkš you don't want to be only penfriend,I'm undersand,same to me.[/size] [size="2"]I'm looking forward to see you.Maybe when we'll see each other,we can live together.[/size] š š [size="2"]LET'S TRY TO KNOW EACH OTHER BETTER!!![/size][/i] "

She don't wish a keyboard Romeo... she wish a meeting where you will be  together ( way several time recommended on the forum and who allow both  partner to know each other before start a K1 )...

Don't you think that meet and stay together during the meeting is the  right way... share day and night with you partner before be married...  this method allow see the quality and lack of the futur partner in the  daily life...

When you wrote :

"I thing I will continue the letters to see what happens for my own amusement...yeah why not. If its a scammer? well lets just say I will play a mouse anc cat game with them."

Is it a sign of respect that game with the feeling of a woman when you  have no interest... only in the hope to discover that she is a  scammer... and what if she is not a scammer... you have game with her,  she have loose time with you, she have loose trust ... do you think  that so game with women is a sign of respect... don't be surprised to  find yourself in a list of men scammer if you act like this...



Bruno,

 I probably jumped the gun and will definitely be honest and  forthcoming with her. I guess I have contempt prior to investigating  and of course that would leave me in ever lasting ignorance. Thanks for  your point pertaining to the post.

Info_Man
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[groovlstk]

I received the same email from this girl, verbatim (love the "Fhanks"  salutation!). She's too young for me at 24 but I wrote back out of  curiousity and got a form letter back that answered none of my  questions and obviously went out to the multitudes.

Maybe not a scammer, but you can be sure this girl has cast her net far  and wide and she's hot enough that she's got a lot of men writing her.

[corp]

I agree with bruno 100%
 There is nothing in her "letter" to lead one to think she is a scammer.
 The only thing that was a "maybe" was, I think she said something about "age don't matter".

Info man, I wish you good luck you will need it if you see a scammer from a typical letter like this.

Other side of the coin.

I have no idea what you look like or she looks like... except Groov's comments that she is "hot"..... if this is the case, and let's say you look like a bozo..... then her letter is not the red flag, but the fact that she is showing you interest is.

[Todd]

I'm not sure if she is a scammer, but I did notice a couple of code words...

"Age doesn't matter"  could mean that YOUR AGE doesn't matter, i.e. she thinks your age isn't an issue to her.  Sometimes, women in their early 20's will write that when corresponding with women in their 30's and 40's.

"Sex is important"...if you read some of the Russian Women Abroad postings, sex is one of the major complaints.   She could just be fishing around to make sure that you ARE interested in sex.

Of course, I could be way off...I often misread the code words....