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Re: Going to St. Petersburg and.. ladies who will visit me this summer...
« Reply #150 on: August 06, 2010, 04:14:09 AM »
 The same as many other women, so called ''pro-daters'',not willing to relocate anywhere so far to calculate pennies for living or to discuss juice prices on forums :P
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« Reply #151 on: August 06, 2010, 05:57:54 AM »
Sounds like you are having a great time  :D

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« Reply #152 on: August 06, 2010, 06:21:04 AM »
That is the difference. Ladies will not be seen outside without proper dressing. Once men get home from the office, they will wear what they want.


I don't think those guys were working in offices.. or working at all.. there was a distinct difference between men in that neighborhood and closer to the center or for that matter further out in the suburbs.. it was more of a "what is she doing with him?" reaction that I was having...

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« Reply #153 on: August 06, 2010, 06:32:39 AM »
Actually I didn't mention high quality men. I also didn't mean to unsult anyone. It is not about how people are dressed. It is about the standart of life man can provide. And to be honest I can't see any point to get married the older foreign man in order to move to another country and live the same very average live there.

Standard of life a man can provide?  Hmmm.. I didn't date ANY lady that expects the man alone to provide the standard of life.  And for that matter Velena, I wouldn't, and, I suspect many of the men on the forum have the same feelings about it.

So here is a reality for you to consider.. average people live average lives.  It doesn't matter from which part of the world an average person comes.. their life will be average simply because that is what they are capable of and therefore entitled to. 

If you, or anyone else, wants to have an exceptional life, they better be prepared to be an exceptional person.  To be an exceptional person is a special thing.  Not everyone is capable of being an exceptional person.  There isn't enough room in the world for all the people that dream to be exceptional.  However, dreaming to be exceptional and actually being exceptional are highly different things.  I have in my life been blessed with some exceptional qualities and have many people far more exceptional than myself as friends.  The one thing exceptional people have in common with each other is the ability to make their dreams come true via the combination of hard work and persistence.  There is nothing average about them.

So, in conclusion.. and I really do not want to insult you by saying it.. its really a general statement.. I don't know why any foreign man.. of average or exceptional talent and means.. would go to the FSU to marry a gold digging average woman with a pretty face and nothing more to offer.  Such a man would in my view be a loser only passed in his "loserness" by the woman who agreed to marry him.

By the way.. the thing about that juice.. as I said earlier.. its not the fact hat the juice was so expensive that bothered me.. its the fact that the really expensive juice was of extremely low quality not befitting my expectations of service and product at a five star establishment.  If the juice cost the 1 dollar per glass that it was really worth and still tasted so bad I would have the same complaint, but, the difference would be that I wouldn't feel like some asshole in the back room was laughing at me for paying 12 dollars for 1 dollars worth of bad juice.

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« Reply #154 on: August 06, 2010, 06:33:45 AM »
The same as many other women, so called ''pro-daters'',not willing to relocate anywhere so far to calculate pennies for living or to discuss juice prices on forums :P

LOL funny how the true colors are so obvious when a light shines on them.  :)

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« Reply #155 on: August 06, 2010, 06:36:30 AM »
Sounds like you are having a great time  :D

Aloe I had an awesome time.. to be really honest I had 2 more weeks on my visa and I was really looking at how I could manage to stay.. but.. the consequences were just too great so here I am at home and suffering a profound jet lag and internal clock disorientation. 

By the way Aloe.. you are truly an exceptional woman and I hope I am so lucky as to find and marry a woman as awesome as you. 

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Re: Going to St. Petersburg and.. ladies who will visit me this summer...
« Reply #156 on: August 06, 2010, 07:06:43 AM »
And to be honest I can't see any point to get married the older foreign man in order to move to another country and live the same very average live there.

With an excellent answer by Sculpto:


 

If you, or anyone else, wants to have an exceptional life, they better be prepared to be an exceptional person.

Valena,

Your presence here suggests that you are interested in foreign men.  That suggests, your life now is not fulfilling.  So to marry a man who gives you an average life would indeed be a step backwards (same boring lifestyle, older husband, and most traumatic having to abandon family, friends, culture, etc.).

You seem sincere and surely somewhere "love" enters your decision.  Years ago there were many stories of insincere desperate RW leaving for an average life with the plan to use the unloved foreign man as a stepping stone.

Even with the improvement in the Russian economy, I assert that today the West still offers greater opportunities for a smart RW who marries not to to be taken care of but to build a better life with the man she loves. 

So look for that exceptional man who helps you become exceptional, and more important makes you feel exceptional.

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Re: Going to St. Petersburg and.. ladies who will visit me this summer...
« Reply #157 on: August 06, 2010, 08:03:54 AM »
The story about juice is impressive!

Nothing impressive. It is just a common sense. For example I will not pay $200 for a dress when I can by the same dress for $100 across the road  ;)

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« Reply #158 on: August 06, 2010, 08:04:42 AM »
Standard of life a man can provide?  Hmmm.. I didn't date ANY lady that expects the man alone to provide the standard of life.  And for that matter Velena, I wouldn't, and, I suspect many of the men on the forum have the same feelings about it.

Eric,
You know exactly, what she's talking about.
Women from FSU countries can not contribute in family budget as much as their western sisters ..At least , first 5-10 years, that means a lot of time.Follow your , a family income will be small , as a man can not provide enough.That's why the divorce rate is so high. :(

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« Reply #159 on: August 06, 2010, 08:05:07 AM »
I am living and working in UK that is why I am looking for a foreign man, to be precise British or American. Call me shallow but financial situation of the potential partner is very important to me as well as his personal qualities. I don't think I am alone here. There is a reason why young russian women choose to marry  much older foreign men.
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Re: Going to St. Petersburg and.. ladies who will visit me this summer...
« Reply #160 on: August 06, 2010, 08:07:52 AM »
The story about juice is impressive! One thing I can't understand is why on earth any woman would want to marry an older penny pinching foreigner when there more then enough the same or even better  quality homegrown men are available. ::)

Well Velena, there could be many reasons.

The woman might enjoy travel for instance. As a pretty solid middle-class American who pinches pennies from time-to-time it is pretty clear that most of us travel far more than FSU people.

Another reason might be quality of schools for children. No particular slap at the FSU but not many of their educational institutions are rated highly compared to Western Europe and North America.

Opportunities for career and professional advancement. FSU nationals don't seem to make up much of the world's expat class and a lot of countries are considered to have easier access to business opportunity due to less corruption and incentive-based systems for determining promotions and business relationships.

Maybe they are concerned about environmental contamination and life expectancy, These tend to average higher for Western Europe and North America than the FSU. Partly due to corruption but mostly to simple negligence and lack of concern, much of the FSU is contaminated due to toxic runoff and nonexistent regulations for dumping of materials and sewage into the water table and rivers.

Of course, maybe she just is interested in a different culture in her man and enjoys the thought of a family group which is not standard and average compared to what she has witnessed in her life.

So, there are a few possibilities right there. Others can add more I am sure.
« Last Edit: August 06, 2010, 08:09:38 AM by ECOCKS »
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Re: Going to St. Petersburg and.. ladies who will visit me this summer...
« Reply #161 on: August 06, 2010, 08:12:54 AM »
I am living and working in UK that is why I am looking for a foreign man, to be precise British or American. Call me shallow but financial situation of the potential partner is very important to me as well as his personal qualities. I don't think I am alone here. There is a reason why young russian women choose to marry  much older foreign men.

I agree with you about the "much older" part. The fostering of the large age gap fantasy is a major factor in how FSU spouses are regarded in their new culture and in the stereotypes they will have to endure in their future. Still enough gush that this is acceptable that the impression of large age gaps being commonplace persists despite the divorces and other issues which arise.
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« Reply #162 on: August 06, 2010, 08:13:14 AM »
Standard of life a man can provide?  Hmmm.. I didn't date ANY lady that expects the man alone to provide the standard of life.  And for that matter Velena, I wouldn't, and, I suspect many of the men on the forum have the same feelings about it.

Eric,
You know exactly, what she's talking about.
Women from FSU countries can not contribute in family budget as much as their western sisters ..At least , first 5-10 years, that means a lot of time.Follow your , a family income will be small , as a man can not provide enough.That's why the divorce rate is so high. :(



That depends entirely on the girl.. and for that matter the man.. in my own case I have become self employed in the last year and have a template for self employment that any future foreign born wife could duplicate.

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« Reply #163 on: August 06, 2010, 08:22:15 AM »
There is a reason why young russian women choose to marry  much older foreign men.

Considering that less than 0.5 percent of Russian women are involved in international dating, this statement seems a bit far-fetched, wouldn't you say?. :D
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« Reply #164 on: August 06, 2010, 08:22:32 AM »
It is hard to not sweat when its 35 C ("97°F Feels like: 104°F") in the shadow  :D
I do not see anything disgusting in saying somebody was sweaty at that temperature and happened to pass by a theater. What i do find disgusting is people costantly hurling insults at each other. Makes me shake my head and wonder if they have nothing better to do  :P
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« Reply #165 on: August 06, 2010, 08:28:20 AM »
I am living and working in UK that is why I am looking for a foreign man, to be precise British or American. Call me shallow but financial situation of the potential partner is very important to me as well as his personal qualities. I don't think I am alone here.

Not, you are not alone.  ;) In Russia I had a good respectable job and particular circle of people I was communicating with. The same I expected from my partner. My husband and I love to travel, visit theaters, museums, and  many other things we have in common. But what also I like about him he will not waste money on unnecessaries, and as me he also prefer to compare and find better prices.    

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There is a reason why young russian women choose to marry  much older foreign men.

Can not tell for all Russian women, for some probably yes, but I doubt I would marry much older man.  

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« Reply #166 on: August 06, 2010, 08:33:23 AM »
I can confirm that....  it was blazing hot nearly everywhere. This was Sunday 25 July ~  Kazan bus terminal...

I'm not one to dress down very often, but in the past few weeks, the heat dictated otherwise - in fact, I don't
recall seeing even one man wearing a suit except at the airport.

It was the practical thing to do.



I even brought a brand new Kenneth Cole suit that I never put on.. it was just way too hot.. even at night... I don't think I saw one man with a tie on the entire 16 days.  


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« Reply #167 on: August 06, 2010, 09:39:10 AM »
Sculpto, we now have established that you are not a fashion guru and you are hated by Jack, who has a lot of decent quality men (probably better dressed) to bring to Russia.
Jack, bring them here! I really need one, who is young, handsome and well off and I wouldn't settle for less even if I have to die a virgin!
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« Reply #168 on: August 06, 2010, 10:01:05 AM »
Sculpto, we now have established that you are not a fashion guru and you are hated by Jack, who has a lot of decent quality men (probably better dressed) to bring to Russia.
Jack, bring them here! I really need one, who is young, handsome and well off and I wouldn't settle for less even if I have to die a virgin!

HAHAHA Velena.. why i was wearing orange that day is a long story.. so here it goes..

The first apartment I stayed in had some problems.. namely no water pressure nor any hot water.  It was impossible to take a normal shower let alone wash clothes.  The day I got to the orange t-shirt was the last clean shirt I had.  Unfortunately the apartment owner was unresponsive and the apartment agent was slow in getting me moved.  Once I moved that problem lessened.. however.. my other day time shirts were mostly black.. not a good color for the strong sun and heat.

My night time attire was quite nice though.. pretty much all Kenneth Cole with either silk or linen short sleeves.. I had a couple of CK long sleeves with me but I never wore them.. too hot.. nor did I ever put on the sport jacket..


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« Reply #169 on: August 06, 2010, 10:12:49 AM »
Sculpto, your trip was very interesting.  Glad you had a good time.  

The only thing I want to point out is that lady that said she is a porn star is a highend hooker.  Her trick is to get you to the room all drunk and ready and than the pay part comes up.  She flatters you first and gets you hot and ready.  It is a very common tactic.  Only mentioning it so other guys who try the pick the women off the street approach are aware of the highend hooker.  There all over Kiev sitting in cafes.  Same goes in Brussels and Zurich.  They know where the tourists go.

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« Reply #170 on: August 06, 2010, 10:35:48 AM »
Jack, you posted a picture of Turbo and his son recently and 1 or both of them had tennis shoes on.  That being said I have never looked at the men on your site and will make no comment on that.  I do think you provide a good service and only person who seems to tell the truth about dating in Ukraine. 

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« Reply #171 on: August 06, 2010, 10:57:51 AM »
I am TEMPORARILY locking this topic so that I can clean it up.

Will be re-opened within the hour.

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Topic is now re-opened. The 'Fashion Sense' debate is now separated, and has been moved to 'Starting Out' (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=12170.0) for now - and so long as it does not get any more contentious.

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« Reply #172 on: August 06, 2010, 12:35:18 PM »
Sculpto, your trip was very interesting.  Glad you had a good time.  

The only thing I want to point out is that lady that said she is a porn star is a highend hooker.  Her trick is to get you to the room all drunk and ready and than the pay part comes up.  She flatters you first and gets you hot and ready.  It is a very common tactic.  Only mentioning it so other guys who try the pick the women off the street approach are aware of the highend hooker.  There all over Kiev sitting in cafes.  Same goes in Brussels and Zurich.  They know where the tourists go.

I dont think that was the case this time Kiev.. but its an interesting scam technique if the girls try it.  Now on the other hand..

Miss Kiev got a bit agitated when I wanted to walk through the bazaar in the evening after most of the shops had closed.  I really liked walking through there but it made her uncomfortable.  She said the "Kavkaz" will jump me with a knife and kill me and rape her.  I told her it will never happen because of two things.. first.. the so called Kavkaz bad guys are a lot less scary than the Mexicano gang bangers where I live and therefore I have developed a very scary look for street thugs and the Kavkaz bad guys will be afraid of me.. and.. secondly.. bad guys know not to shit in their bed.. anyway.. we walked through the bazaar many times afterwards and she later understood I was right.. we even got some "nods" when people started to recognize me.  I don't know why but I find such places fascinating and I am developing an itch to see Georgia and Azerbaijian, I really like the food.. any culture with food that tasty must be cool.  :)

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« Reply #173 on: August 06, 2010, 12:41:09 PM »
It is about the standart of life man can provide. And to be honest I can't see any point to get married the older foreign man in order to move to another country and live the same very average live there.
I agree and....................from a foreign mans perspective, I never "got" the amount of travellers who were seeking in Russia et al for the sake of seeking in Russia. Sure, I travelled, dated, did my thing but it took an absolutely exceptional person to catch my attention from a marriage perspective, something which wasn't on my "to do" list at the time. Such people, in a modern world, are very rare indeed. My question to you Valena is, do you as one who has certain requirements, have anything of that ilk to bring to the table yourself? Hopefully you do but all too often I've seen the "demander" fall way short on the "demand" list FWIW.
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« Reply #174 on: August 06, 2010, 12:52:39 PM »
 :luv:Sculpto - I would like to ask you - how about those pics on Miilitary Holiday - we'll we send pics to brave drunk guys with flag? I found their mail adress :cheesygrin:
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