DM questions

[veritas]

Welcome, Lana!     I'm quite new to this site myself (just 2 days) ...

Elena's is the most reputable site out there, but it's not affiliated with any agency that I know of ...

... avoid agencies because they are evil..

Hey Possum!

What's the distinction here between a "site" and an "agency"?
And why do you say that Elena's Models is the most reputable?

I actually am a MEMBER of EM, and so I actually DO trust EM,
but I'd just like to know why it has such a good rep, IYNSHO ... 

And Lily, I would also ask this of YOU, too, and also about
your comment concerning the "huge competition" on EM ...

Thanks, both of you!

Kevin

[possum]

Hey Possum!

What's the distinction here between a "site" and an "agency"?
And why do you say that Elena's Models is the most reputable?

I actually am a MEMBER of EM, and so I actually DO trust EM,
but I'd just like to know why it has such a good rep, IYNSHO ...  

I think the main difference is a dating website will not have a facilitator on the ground for when you go meet your lady..   Elenas is just a popular site with profiles where all of the women are looking for foreign partners and are willing to move abroad.. Unlike with an agency, people don't get screwed as much.. At least that's what I'm hearing..

Forgot to mention that it's common for agencies to have girls "on staff" who pose as women in the profiles during the correspondence stage and beyond..

[Lily]

Welcome, Lana!     I'm quite new to this site myself (just 2 days) ...

Hey Possum!

What's the distinction here between a "site" and an "agency"?
And why do you say that Elena's Models is the most reputable?

I actually am a MEMBER of EM, and so I actually DO trust EM,
but I'd just like to know why it has such a good rep, IYNSHO ... 

And Lily, I would also ask this of YOU, too, and also about
your comment concerning the "huge competition" on EM ...

Thanks, both of you!

Kevin

Hi Kevin,

As for your first question, I don't know much about businesses that exist in this area. My assumption would be, however, that a 'site' is a place where there is no human intermediaries between the seeking parties. People just make their profiles, illustrate them and make contacts.

An 'agency' may be an establishment where there are some people between the parties willing to contact each other. In an agency, people often forced or at least encouraged to communicate through some sort of intermediary. I don't mean interpreters here, but rather someone who prevent people from getting direct contacts, such as emails and phone numbers, and who request pay each time when people contact each other.

I could not say a lot about reputation of EM, though. Nevertheless, their verification of the members, and early disclosure of their home addresses (those of men members to the other party (to women members) looks good. Other than that, men on EM look like credible relationships seeker.

Now about competition. Somehow, as far as I could notice, EM managed to gather a collection of very attractive women members. They encourage women of 'model quality' to register on site. Competition is very very high. Women at EM look incredibly good. Men must feel themselves like a kid in candy store. Therefore, if a woman wants to make herself noticeable on EM - and online dating is a numbers game - she must be extremely, let me stress it once again, EXTREMELY GOOD LOOKING, and also should have an interesting, well worded profile, showing what she is and what she wants. It is not easy to meet such requirements.

[possum]

Thanks, Possum! 

And as for the "girls on staff" bit, please see my posting about "Dream-Marriage and SCAMS" on this board ...

Kevin

Yep, classic case of employees posing as clients..

[LanaRUS]

Hi Kevin,

As for your first question, I don't know much about businesses that exist in this area. My assumption would be, however, that a 'site' is a place where there is no human intermediaries between the seeking parties. People just make their profiles, illustrate them and make contacts.

An 'agency' may be an establishment where there are some people between the parties willing to contact each other. In an agency, people often forced or at least encouraged to communicate through some sort of intermediary. I don't mean interpreters here, but rather someone who prevent people from getting direct contacts, such as emails and phone numbers, and who request pay each time when people contact each other.

I could not say a lot about reputation of EM, though. Nevertheless, their verification of the members, and early disclosure of their home addresses (those of men members to the other party (to women members) looks good. Other than that, men on EM look like credible relationships seeker.

Now about competition. Somehow, as far as I could notice, EM managed to gather a collection of very attractive women members. They encourage women of 'model quality' to register on site. Competition is very very high. Women at EM look incredibly good. Men must feel themselves like a kid in candy store. Therefore, if a woman wants to make herself noticeable on EM - and online dating is a numbers game - she must be extremely, let me stress it once again, EXTREMELY GOOD LOOKING, and also should have an interesting, well worded profile, showing what she is and what she wants. It is not easy to meet such requirements.

How about you, Kevin? Do you feel yourself like a kid in candy store?

[veritas]

Just a note on a recent change in payment policy at Elena's Models.

Until a couple of months ago, in addition to their Gold and Platinum memberships (3 months minimum, now $99 and $259, respectively), they also offered a convenient $10 alternative to correspond with 1 woman at a time only ...

Now it's no longer offered .

Yes, you're certainly right about the change in EM's payment policy a couple months ago ...
Until then, I too had been paying $10/contact for the very few women who returned one
of my 20 free "Expressions of Interest" ... Now I'm paying $99/3-months as a Gold Member ...

Hi Kevin,

As for your first question, I don't know much about businesses that exist in this area. My assumption would be, however, that a 'site' is a place where there is no human intermediaries between the seeking parties. People just make their profiles, illustrate them and make contacts.

An 'agency' may be an establishment where there are some people between the parties willing to contact each other. In an agency, people often forced or at least encouraged to communicate through some sort of intermediary. I don't mean interpreters here, but rather someone who prevent people from getting direct contacts, such as emails and phone numbers, and who request pay each time when people contact each other.

I could not say a lot about reputation of EM, though. Nevertheless, their verification of the members, and early disclosure of their home addresses (those of men members to the other party (to women members) looks good. Other than that, men on EM look like credible relationships seeker.

Now about competition. Somehow, as far as I could notice, EM managed to gather a collection of very attractive women members. They encourage women of 'model quality' to register on site. Competition is very very high. Women at EM look incredibly good. Men must feel themselves like a kid in candy store. Therefore, if a woman wants to make herself noticeable on EM - and online dating is a numbers game - she must be extremely, let me stress it once again, EXTREMELY GOOD LOOKING, and also should have an interesting, well worded profile, showing what she is and what she wants. It is not easy to meet such requirements.

Thanks, Lily, for a VERY comprehensive answer! 

BTW, I'm a real STICKLER for good English, and you write almost as well as a native English speaker ...
In fact, you actually write BETTER than a lot of them!!! 

Thanks for explaining the "intermediary" difference between a "site" and an "agency" ...
Makes sense to ME!

As for the "competition" aspect, EM's advertisement here on RWD says:

"Models"
"Ex-Models"
"Simply Beautiful Girls"

... and the tag-line on their site is "Russian Girls of Model Quality" ...

How about you, Kevin? Do you feel yourself like a kid in candy store?

Well, Lana, that's an interesting and VERY relevant question for me ...

I WOULD say, "Yes!!! Absolutely!!!" -- EXCEPT that I was initially "spoiled" by the "girls" on Dream-Marriage,
which has (I'm now convinced) photos of STUNNING, GORGEOUS, HALF-NAKED models, actresses, singers,
and the like ... I no longer believe for one SECOND that ANY of those photos are actually of "real" women
who are writing letters to me -- I'm convinced that ALL of the letters come from "paid writers" who write
using photos of "dream girls" ... So it's really not fair to compare the "fake" women on D-M with the REAL
women on EM!!! 

Nonetheless, I've seen SO many STUNNING photos of (allegedly) available "girls" on D-M that
I'm a bit "jaded" by now when it comes to the LESS-stunning photos of REAL women on EM ... 

Kevin

[Lily]

Thanks for complimenting my English Kevin

As for the "competition" aspect, EM's advertisement here on RWD says:

"Models"
"Ex-Models"
"Simply Beautiful Girls"

... and the tag-line on their site is "Russian Girls of Model Quality" ...

 

EM does not specify any percentage of how many EM ladies did some modeling in their lives. It may be the case that 'simply beautiful girls' make a majority.

The term 'woman of model quality' makes a lot of sense in this business. For seeking men, besides the fact that they may get a beautiful wife with great genes that she would be able to transfer to her and his kids, they are lured by a prospect of getting a real arm candy that would raise his own status in Western society. Just think how difficult would it be to find and marry an American woman of comparable qualities in the U.S.

For an eventual FSU woman candidate, the word 'model' assume recognition and status. She knows that by being considered a 'model', she would appear among the 'chosen few', as she knows that being a model means, for a general mind, being strikingly beautiful. Therefore, she may think that if she joins the site, she would claim that she is one of the best. This would not be the place for ordinary women, she may think. I am a beauty, that means, I should go where the models are

This is how IMO the EM markets itself to both parties.

Nonetheless, I've seen SO many STUNNING photos of (allegedly) available "girls" on D-M that
I'm a bit "jaded" by now when it comes to the LESS-stunning photos of REAL women on EM ... 

Kevin

EM encourages women to post professionally made photos of themselves. Some may use a little of photoshopping; however, it is beyond doubt that generally the real Russian women are a lot more beautiful than generally real American women, if we take the general population, like people on the streets. Slavic type women, you know

[veritas]

Thanks for complimenting my English Kevin

You're certainly welcome, Lily!   It's a real pleasure to read ...

Just think how difficult would it be to find and marry an American woman of comparable qualities in the U.S.

In one of the older posts that I was reading yesterday, someone wrote,
"An American woman who looked THAT good wouldn't even SPIT on you!!!" 

EM encourages women to post professionally made photos of themselves.

And most of them look pretty darn GOOD, but they STILL don't measure up
to the half-naked PROFESSIONAL MODELS that they must be using on D-M! 
It's REALLY not even FAIR! 

BTW, almost ALL of the alleged "girls" on D-M are allegedly from UKRAINE  ??? ??? ???

Cases in point:

http://www.dream-marriage.com/profile-Beautiful-Russian-Bride-Irina-974842.html
http://www.dream-marriage.com/profile-Gorgeous-Russian-Bride-Natalia-864185.html
http://www.dream-marriage.com/profile-Pretty-Russian-Lady-Anastasia-948090.html

... however, it is beyond doubt that generally the real Russian women are a lot more beautiful than generally real American women, if we take the general population, like people on the streets. Slavic type women, you know

No, actually, I DON'T know!  Is this really TRUE for the general population, and if so, WHY?

Kevin

[Lily]

Is this really TRUE for the general population, and if so, WHY?

Kevin

It probably is. That may deserve a separate research which would involve genetics, physiognomics, phrenology, statistics, etc. Personally I attribute that to Slavic race specifics combined with relatively mono-racial human landscape in the FSU.

[veritas]

Thanks, Brian and Lily! 

For some of them the meetings are a "front" of sorts. They pay the girls to show up for a couple of well chaperoned "dates" to maintain the "legitimacy" of the agency. For the guy unlucky to use one of these agencies and makes the trip he thinks he met the "real girl" and knows he wasn't just writing to a picture.

OK, this is one area where I REALLY have trouble sorting things out with Dream-Marriage ...

Do you really think that ANY of these half-naked, gorgeous, STUNNING "girls" on D-M
who have been "writing" me HEAPS and HEAPS of totally unsolicited letters -- see my
post elsewhere on "Dream-Marriage and SCAMS" --

OK, that sentence was looking to get a BIT too long there ... Anyway, do you think
that ANY of those kinds of "girls" -- such as in the links I posted -- are REAL in the
sense that they can even be MET in person?  (Even if -- THOUGH! -- it's a scam?)

In other words, are ANY of those "girls" -- as pictured on D-M (not their clothes,
or lack thereof!) -- actually in CAHOOTS with D-M?  Do ANY of them actually
KNOW that their "dream girl" photos are being used by D-M?  This is where
I'm getting confused ...

When it comes to THOSE kinds of "girls" -- as opposed to the (few?) (token?),
uh, MATRON-ly types of women on there --

Sigh ... I'm having trouble with my wording here, or my thinking, or BOTH ...

There are many STUNNING -- and a few LESS-than-stunning -- "girls" on D-M
who have "written" me OVER and OVER, despite my near-total LACK of response ...
Are ALL of those letters coming from "paid writers" who are NOT actually the girls
pictured, or is it possible that ANY of those "girls" are writing ANY of "their" letters?

Is there even a SHRED of legitimacy -- ANY "reality" instead of "fantasy" -- with Dream-Marriage???   ???

If so, then I'm having a LOT of trouble figuring out "which is which" ... How could one even KNOW???   

Thanks for any help -- or clarification -- that ANYONE might be able to offer ...

Kevin

[Sculpto]

Kevin,
Yes those girls know their images are being used for profit.. and some of them are sharing in that profit.

Yes, you can go to Ukraine and waste your time meeting such girls.  But why?

You can go to Ukraine and meet girls just as beautiful who are not part of the MOB scam.

The question is.. if you were to meet girls of such beauty.. do you have enough game to woo them and make them interested in you? 

Perhaps we should let the OP regain control of her thread?  This thread is about Lana.. not Kevin. 

........................

And Lana.. welcome to the forum.  As Lily said you have a lovely smile.    I also like the rest of the advice Lily is offering. 

[JohnDearGreen]

OK, that sentence was looking to get a BIT too long there ... Anyway, do you think
that ANY of those kinds of "girls" -- such as in the links I posted -- are REAL in the
sense that they can even be MET in person?

An advantage of the WMVM is that you can schedule some meetings with those type of ladies and not worry much if they don't show up.  Just tell them when you'll be in town.  Their email responses usually stop about a day before your plane takes off.

[SANDRO43]

There are many STUNNING -- and a few LESS-than-stunning -- "girls" on D-M who have "written" me OVER and OVER, despite my near-total LACK of response ...Are ALL of those letters coming from "paid writers" who are NOT actually the girls pictured, or is it possible that ANY of those "girls" are writing ANY of "their" letters? Is there even a SHRED of legitimacy -- ANY "reality" instead of "fantasy" -- with Dream-Marriage???   ??? If so, then I'm having a LOT of trouble figuring out "which is which" ... How could one even KNOW???   

Kevin, let's start from International Dating 101 .

This game has become over time a VERY substantial BUSINESS endevour which, by itself, raises some thoughtful considerations .

Re your previous query about 'sites' and 'agencies':

- By definition, 'sites' (websites) are a general Internet category that encompasses a wide variety of realities: social networking sites (e.g. Facebook, V Kontact, etc. ), dating sites (e.g. EM, Bride.Ru, etc.), marriage sites (too many to list), personal sites, etc. etc. They include ANY individual/organisation wanting to be accessible from the Web, for their own particular reasons.

- 'Agencies' are a specific subgroup with specific aims - i.e. making money out of people seeking a partner from the Web rather than in real life for whatever ultimate reason (dating, marriage, sex, you name it). The profit motive in itself should engender some misgivings about what one can actually obtain from such sources. The basic consideration is: if one has to pay to relate with their advertised members, probably they are much more interested in what they may get from the process than in its eventual outcome - one does not usually get rid of a cow that produces good milk , some will milk the cow until dry ('agencies'), others will stop earlier than that ('dating sites').

While SOME agency letter writers may be honest and legitimate women contacting you for serious relations, most often they are NOT. It may take a while to develop an accurate 'feeling' in this area, but most WM usually do that after having been burned a few times and spent some money fruitlessly, as seems to be your case - you're not alone here, most of us fell for the same traps before you.

How can one discriminate honest from less honest correspondents? If I could answer that, I'd ask you to pay me a SUBSTANTIAL sum of money for my priceless advice . A few hints on the latter category can be obtained from our ScamCard in the Scam Avoidance menu at left.

Since you're comparatively new to this venture, you might profit from having a look at the E-book we produced last year on this whole ball game, advertised in the top RH menu column .

[veritas]

Hi again, Lily!  (OK, I'm postin' THIS, and THEN I'm shuttin' up) ...

Can you tell me what the timeline on your "signature" means?
Is it the time UNTIL you move to Canada, or the time SINCE?

Thanks! 

Kevin

[Gator]

http://www.dream-marriage.com/profile-Beautiful-Russian-Bride-Irina-974842.html
http://www.dream-marriage.com/profile-Gorgeous-Russian-Bride-Natalia-864185.html
http://www.dream-marriage.com/profile-Pretty-Russian-Lady-Anastasia-948090.html

You first mistake is contacting women who present themselves in public in such a fashion.  Regardless of their agency, a woman who leads with sexy photos is probably simple or trouble or both.

There are many women who are just as hot as these three yet have much more to offer than their hot body.  They do not lead with the sexy photos because they hope to find a man who sees their other qualities, the qualities that make for a complete relationship.  Women with normal photos  may feel that a man who picks a woman based on her body will not be the interesting man they seek.

BTW, many of these women  have sexy photos to show you, but only after you get to know them.  Far better yet is to discover what they have in person, body and all.

[Sculpto]

You first mistake is contacting women who present themselves in public in such a fashion.  Regardless of their agency, a woman who leads with sexy photos is probably simple or trouble or both.

There are many women who are just as hot as these three yet have much more to offer than their hot body.  They do not lead with the sexy photos because they hope to find a man who sees their other qualities, the qualities that make for a complete relationship.  Women with normal photos  may feel that a man who picks a woman based on her body will not be the interesting man they seek.

BTW, many of these women  have sexy photos to show you, but only after you get to know them.  Far better yet is to discover what they have in person, body and all.

Sage wisdom there Gator.  The ladies in those photos are not available to men of average means anyway.  Any man on this forum or in the west who thinks girl of that level of beauty and boldness are not surrounded by extremely wealthy Russian men ready and willing to indulge them in fur and caviar is really off the mark. 

Those girls all know about the Trumps and to even think they do not idolize whatshername that is getting millions from that x aussie hollywood putz would be beyond foolish.  So.. unless your bank account has at least 6 zeros behind it.. there is very little point in pursuit of such women.

Go a couple of notches down to the merely beautiful.. and a whole world opens up that is not available in the USA or west in general.

btw.. I think Lily had some theories why there are so many beautiful girls in the FSU.. my own theory is as follows.. natural selection.. after the wars and purges when there really was a massive gender imbalance.. who do you think of the women were able to gt married or at least get pregnant?  Only the prettiest and smartest women.. therefore.. these pretty and smart women passed on their genetics for at least one if not two generations resulting in the Ubber Females we see today.  So.. despite all the crimes.. there are at least two benefits from Stalin.. the metro and...

About the women focusing on Euro men.. I have identified recently a number of small agencies that focus almost 100% on Euro men.. some of which are even focused on one particular city or region.  Most of them appear to have offices in whichever city they are in in the FSU as well as the city they focus on in Europe.  They are generating a lot of marriages.  As I have not personally used any of these agencies I will not post any urls but if someone wants to check them out they can send me a pm..

[veritas]

You first mistake is contacting women who present themselves in public in such a fashion.  Regardless of their agency, a woman who leads with sexy photos is probably simple or trouble or both.

Women with normal photos  may feel that a man who picks a woman based on her body will not be the interesting man they seek.

Far better yet is to discover what they have in person, body and all.

But I DIDN'T make that mistake, Gator!!!  THEY (allegedly) contacted ME, but I never did RESPOND,
because I never even believed that "girls" such as THEY were actually "writing" me in the first place!

And I totally agree with your last two points above ... And I always HAVE agreed, with Internet dating ...

It's just that I've been trying to figure out whether there's ANY LEGITIMACY AT ALL with Dream-Marriage ...

Kevin

[Faux Pas]

But I DIDN'T make that mistake, Gator!!!  THEY (allegedly) contacted ME, but I never did RESPOND,
because I never even believed that "girls" such as THEY were actually "writing" me in the first place!

And I totally agree with your last two points above ... And I always HAVE agreed, with Internet dating ...

It's just that I've been trying to figure out whether there's ANY LEGITIMACY AT ALL with Dream-Marriage ...

Kevin

From the side of DM that you entered and saw, no, there is no degree of legitimacy at all. You are a mark. The fact that you signed up and received 150(?) emails and pics the next day should indicate to you that something is amiss. After you first signed up on Match.com, how many emails and pics did you have the next day?

Kevin, honestly you should not give DM another thought. You've found out the low down on this place and you know what they are about. I strongly suggest you forget about them. The ladies have no clue they sent you a pic/email. You were sucked in and a chump in waiting, provided you didn't have enough fortitude to dig deeper and find RWD. The dude in the other thread looking to "save" one of these girls is in fantasyland. Get busy living and finding serious women and leave that fantasy crap to the guys that will never travel over in the first place

[veritas]

Kevin, honestly you should not give DM another thought. You've found out the low down on this place and you know what they are about. I strongly suggest you forget about them. The ladies have no clue they sent you a pic/email. You were sucked in and a chump in waiting, provided you didn't have enough fortitude to dig deeper and find RWD. The dude in the other thread looking to "save" one of these girls is in fantasyland. Get busy living and finding serious women and leave that fantasy crap to the guys that will never travel over in the first place

You're right, Faux Pas ... I need to suppress my INTENSE curiosity about Dream-Marriage and its (lack of) legitimacy ...

And I appreciate the remark about "fortitude" ...

Kevin

[Faux Pas]

You're right, Faux Pas ... I need to suppress my INTENSE curiosity about Dream-Marriage and its (lack of) legitimacy ...

And I appreciate the remark about "fortitude" ...

Kevin

Kevin,

I've noticed you've mentioned several times that you are unemployed. I'm not asking you to divulge your personal finances but, you are aware that dating women across the ocean is quite an expensive endeavor? Once in a while we see guys on the forum that venture over, test the waters and fall off the forum but most who go over, go a number of times. Are you up for it? Sure, trips can be done on the cheap but even after multiple trips the expense line gets pretty stout.

I mention this because one of the few things that are different in dating in the FSU as opposed to the US is the expense. Being in Florida you could date women even in Washington state of still save a ton of money as opposed to the FSU. For some, making the statement "I can't afford it" is a difficult thing to do. It does require an amount of expendable cash.

[Handycam72]

Hi there Kevin 

Best thing to do is keep away from the agencies, unless you really know their game and the rules of engagement. Stick with the normal sites, ie ElenasModels, there are others that are mentioned on here aswell.

As for the 3 examples from Dream Marriage, I can assure you that you will find Women as beautiful as that on the streets of Ukraine. It is something you have to see to believe

[GQBlues]

I need to suppress my INTENSE curiosity about Dream-Marriage and its (lack of) legitimacy ...

Too funny! Get a bucket of ice if nothing else works.  :evil:

D-M's legitimacy isn't what's causing your butt cheeks to contract and your mind to wander a bit, c'mon. 

ALLA, 'the blinking bobbing headed' translator can likely help you with your needs if we prove to be hopeless in our cause in trying to convince you to consider that your 10 bucks was money well spent and just stop right there, newkt.

Really.

[veritas]

I've noticed you've mentioned several times that you are unemployed. I'm not asking you to divulge your personal finances but, you are aware that dating women across the ocean is quite an expensive endeavor?

Thanks, Faux Pas ... Yeah, I've been made aware of that -- VERY aware -- elsewhere on RWD ...

Right now, I have "assets", but not "income" ... It's been that way for a while -- I'm looking to change that ...

Best thing to do is keep away from the agencies, unless you really know their game and the rules of engagement. Stick with the normal sites, ie ElenasModels, there are others that are mentioned on here aswell.

As for the 3 examples from Dream Marriage, I can assure you that you will find Women as beautiful as that on the streets of Ukraine. It is something you have to see to believe

Thanks, HandyCam ... That's exactly what I'm (now) doing -- sticking with EM ...

As for the streets of Ukraine -- OMG, then!!!     I'm sure I wouldn't believe it even if I DID see it ...

Too funny! Get a bucket of ice if nothing else works.  :evil:

D-M's legitimacy isn't what's causing your butt cheeks to contract and your mind to wander a bit, c'mon. 

ALLA, 'the blinking bobbing headed' translator can likely help you with your needs if we prove to be hopeless in our cause in trying to convince you to consider that your 10 bucks was money well spent and just stop right there, newkt.

Really.

Nooooooooooooooooo -- I REALLY AM INTENSELY CURIOUS ABOUT THE LEGITIMACY OF D-M ... OK? 

I really DO wanna KNOW if ANY of those messages come from ANYONE other than PAID WRITERS ...

But -- ala Faux Pas -- I'm NOT gonna attempt to pursue it anymore ... I mean, how COULD I?? 

Kevin

[Sculpto]

Thanks, Faux Pas ... Yeah, I've been made aware of that -- VERY aware -- elsewhere on RWD ...

Right now, I have "assets", but not "income" ... It's been that way for a while -- I'm looking to change that ...

Thanks, HandyCam ... That's exactly what I'm (now) doing -- sticking with EM ...

As for the streets of Ukraine -- OMG, then!!!     I'm sure I wouldn't believe it even if I DID see it ...

Nooooooooooooooooo -- I REALLY AM INTENSELY CURIOUS ABOUT THE LEGITIMACY OF D-M ... OK? 

I really DO wanna KNOW if ANY of those messages come from ANYONE other than PAID WRITERS ...

But -- ala Faux Pas -- I'm NOT gonna attempt to pursue it anymore ... I mean, how COULD I?? 

Kevin

http://nikolaev.avizinfo.com.ua/ru-i-offer-i-category-i-rabota-predlagaju-i-id-i-39485-i-devushki-v-brachnoe-agenstvo-rabota-s-korrespondentsiej.html

http://nikolaev.avizinfo.com.ua/ru-i-offer-i-category-i-rabota-predlagaju-i-id-i-11863-i-rabota-dlja-devushek-v-ofise.html

[veritas]

http://nikolaev.avizinfo.com.ua/ru-i-offer-i-category-i-rabota-predlagaju-i-id-i-39485-i-devushki-v-brachnoe-agenstvo-rabota-s-korrespondentsiej.html

http://nikolaev.avizinfo.com.ua/ru-i-offer-i-category-i-rabota-predlagaju-i-id-i-11863-i-rabota-dlja-devushek-v-ofise.html

Thanks, Sculpto!  Was that double-posting perhaps a browser "refresh"? 

OK, so I translated those two links using translate.google.com:


Girls marriage agency.  Working with the correspondence in Nikolaev

For cooperation, marriage agencies, requires attractive girls from 18 to 35 years.
Knowledge of English and PC is not necessary.  Flexible schedule, ability to work from home or office.


Jobs for the girls in the office in Nikolaev

To work in an office requires a girl.
Working with letters and video chat.
High pay, no intim
Photo session for free
We teach work on PC
Ability to work at home.


Very illuminating (in yellow!  ) ... Still doesn't really answer my QUESTION, but very illuminating ... 

Anyway, I don't believe that there IS a "definitive" answer ... How COULD there be? 

Kevin