How much is "enough?" Do I have to be wealthy and established?

[Gator]

It's amazing what you guys seem to write to these girls because they forward some of the conversations when they find the writing ambiguous.  Plus, it's amazing how often men try to buy love OR EVEN WORSE, insult people imagining that you are saving them and they have no better option... it denigrates them.

It does make a statement about the quality of men.  They have nothing to offer other than money or an American passport.  When selling anything, money is the last item discussed.

Yes, RW do feel insulted when a man thinks of her as a poor little girl desperately waiting for a white knight.  Although some RW may be short on cash,  they are long on pride, incredibly long.

[Gator]

Thanks for looking out for us newbies Enot2.  I am in a similar sitution as Introverted is and I will be contacting you with questions.

Read a lot, starting with Seraphimangel's Reply #88 above.  Then write down your goals for the trip and ask a couple of men if the goals are reasonable.

When you make the trip, I hope you have a fantastic time.

[Faux Pas]

Thanks for looking out for us newbies Enot2.  I am in a similar sitution as Introverted is and I will be contacting you with questions.

[Shadow]

Thanks for looking out for us newbies Enot2.  I am in a similar sitution as Introverted is and I will be contacting you with questions.

You might be better off posting the question on open forum. The more opinions you get, the better chance that you will find something interesting to pick from them.

Many posters think that a negative opinion is a wrong one, and one that encourages a right one. Partially that is because they seek confirmation for what they are going to do anyway, partially because they want answers but ask the wrong questions.

Introvertedguy asked 'how much is enough'.... and as you noticed answers vary from person to person. Instead of asking 'how much to I need', he would have been better off asking 'on which things can I save'.

If you are in a similar situation, the first thing you should think of is your dating experience at home. When you enter in to international dating, things get more difficult, not easier.
There are more pitfalls, more hurdles (time, cost, distance, language) and to take them only to find out the main issue was within yourself would be a shame.

[JR]

------IntorvertedGuy---------

The name says a lot. I mean A LOT!!!

This endeavor is not for you. WALK AWAY!!!

No wait, RUN!!!

You're shy and not good with women aren't you? You are young so do this (and those of you who aren't young too): make a pact with yourself to work on you for one year before doing anything else. Learn to love and respect yourself enough to approach any AW you want, ask her out and get the results you want. There are many tools out there to help you do this. Spend $5000 on a coach before spending this money on a first class ticket to the train wreck your life will be if you marry a foreign woman whose looking for a ticket out and you become her mule.

This whole process seems so easy and convenient, but it's not. The risk to reward factor is thur the roof compared to dating locally. You just write a few emails to some smoking hot women, visit for a week and come home engaged, eight months later "Happily Everafter" begins. NOT![/b]
Do nothing in regards to foreign women until you will approach and date the same calibre women right in your own home town. No "ifs" "ands" "buts" or "maybes" about it. No Justifications!!! None of the hype "American women AREN'T this, Russian women ARE that. It's All BS. People are people, PERIOD.

Step back and look at what you're doing. You're doing it for all the wrong reasons.

[Daveman]

Thanks for looking out for us newbies Enot2.  I am in a similar sitution as Introverted is and I will be contacting you with questions.

It appears that would indeed be an interesting PM discussion.  Having a little "out of modem" experience?

Credibility and reputation, once tarnished, are very difficult if not impossible to regain.

Care to explain why you, GTM, and Enot2 happen to be posting from the identical IP address? Are Us Newbies living with and under the direct tutelage of the sage Enot2?

Cut the charade.  Perhaps rather than invent support for your position, you might try understanding why your ideas are isolated.

[Misha]

Care to explain why you, GTM, and Enot2 happen to be posting from the identical IP address? Are Us Newbies living with and under the direct tutelage of the sage Enot2?

Now makes sense. GTM = GoToMoldova. I believe Enot's persona on another forum was GoToRussia 

[Enot2]

It appears that would indeed be an interesting PM discussion.  Having a little "out of modem" experience?

Credibility and reputation, once tarnished, are very difficult if not impossible to regain.

Care to explain why you, GTM, and Enot2 happen to be posting from the identical IP address? Are Us Newbies living with and under the direct tutelage of the sage Enot2?

Cut the charade.  Perhaps rather than invent support for your position, you might try understanding why your ideas are isolated.

You're a paranoid little kitty aren't you?

Okay so I tried to prove a point and it didn't work, no harm no foul.

[Enot2]

Now makes sense. GTM = GoToMoldova. I believe Enot's persona on another forum was GoToRussia 

Huh???  GTM are the initials of a friend.

[facetrock]

  Enot, creating a profile to make it appear that someone actually agrees with you is pathetic...and very very insecure. Therapy is available.

[Ade]

Enot,

I'm curious but will ask instead of looking for any old posts; are you married? Have you been to the FSU? If so, how many times? How much have you spent on this endeavour up to now?

From my experience, however much you think it will cost, it'll be double, triple and more than you first thought it would be. But besides the money, someone as young as the OP would be better off dating casually at home and focusing on establishing himself before he tries to bag a OWW wife halfway around the world. Really, encouraging him to do anything else at this juncture is a little unhelpful I think.

Or, if he really needs to find someone ASAP in the FSU, do as Misha suggests and go live there for a couple of years.

[Enot2]

Enot,

I'm curious but will ask instead of looking for any old posts; are you married? Have you been to the FSU? If so, how many times? How much have you spent on this endeavour up to now?

From my experience, however much you think it will cost, it'll be double, triple and more than you first thought it would be. But besides the money, someone as young as the OP would be better off dating casually at home and focusing on establishing himself before he tries to bag a OWW wife halfway around the world. Really, encouraging him to do anything else at this juncture is a little unhelpful I think.

Or, if he really needs to find someone ASAP in the FSU, do as Misha suggests and go live there for a couple of years.

Yes I have visted many countries in the FSU and Europe.

Yes I am married to a woman from the FSU.

Two trips, visa, travel expenses, and a green card can be had for less than $15,000

[Ade]

Yes I have visted many countries in the FSU and Europe.

Yes I am married to a woman from the FSU.

Two trips, visa, travel expenses, and a green card can be had for less than $15,000

So, you are saying that your 2 trips to many countries in the FSU, including travel expenses and immigration fees, establishment fees for your wife (clothes, language and work studies etc, etc) came to less than $15,000? Or is this $15,000 a theoretical limit you've come up with?

I know I've spent far, far more than that and I've only ever visited one woman, my wife.

[Enot2]

So, you are saying that your 2 trips to many countries in the FSU, including travel expenses and immigration fees, establishment fees for your wife (clothes, language and work studies etc, etc) came to less than $15,000? Or is this $15,000 a theoretical limit you've come up with?

I know I've spent far, far more than that and I've only ever visited one woman, my wife.

$15,000 is the price someone would pay to make 2 trips, submit documentation for a visa, her airfare to your country, and documentation for a green card.  As far as clothes, language, ect goes ... these things can wait.  My wife brought over enough clothes to last her for a while.   Language can be learned through books. CDs, and tapes from the library which are free.

Remember back when you were young and just married, you went without a few things until you could afford it, same thing applies here.

[groovlstk]

Okay so I tried to prove a point and it didn't work, no harm no foul.

No harm no foul by flat-out lying to support your position? I agree, especially since you have zero credibility here.

[Admin]

You're a paranoid little kitty aren't you?

Okay so I tried to prove a point and it didn't work, no harm no foul.

Allow me to understand this. Is it correct that; (a) you posted as Enot2, and then (b) masquerading under a DIFFERENT username (GTM), you responded to Enot2 with a post supporting him/you ?

Is THAT what occurred?

- Dan

[ECOCKS]

You're a paranoid little kitty aren't you?

Okay so I tried to prove a point and it didn't work, no harm no foul.

Talk about a spin attempt........



F A I L !

[tim 360]

Thanks for looking out for us newbies Enot2.  I am in a similar sitution as Introverted is and I will be contacting you with questions.

Enot2,  You actually made a phony profile who posted (above) and agreed with your own posts?????  And you thank yourself?  Dude you are pathetic! 

Whatever is the matter with you? 

[Daveman]

You're a paranoid little kitty aren't you?

Okay so I tried to prove a point and it didn't work, no harm no foul.

It ain't paranoia if they really are out to get me, or you, and I guess you too. 


Ignoring for the moment whatever point you were attempting to prove in this manner (ahhh, the pattern develops), the harm is mostly to your own credibility.  The foul is the deception.  Aside from being... what's the word... let's use plane ole "idiotic", I do think I read somewhere that masturposting does adversely affect one's eyesight, but that could be an old wive's tale.

[Enot2]

Okay I've been a bad boy.  Any more spankings to dish out?  If so let's have them now and not 2 months down the road.

[facetrock]

  Enot you used the GTM a few times before. How many other personalitys do you have here?
My advice is to create another profile since Enot and GTM will never be taken seriously here again. They say the third times the charm.

[Admin]

  Enot you used the GTM a few times before. How many other personalitys do you have here?
My advice is to create another profile since Enot and GTM will never be taken seriously here again. They say the third times the charm.

Enot
Enot2
GTM
??

At least 3, and counting.

And for the record, Enot was 'Warned' at least once - maybe twice - during his tenure here. It appears there was some overlap in the registration and posting dates, indicating this sort of ruse was being considered for a while - as follows:

Enot was last active on May 22, 2010.
Enot2 was registered on May 23, 2010 - but 1st post was not until yesterday (August 29, 2010).
GTM was registered on June 3, 2010 with 1st post on June 5, 2010.

So I guess the 'sleeper' account was Enot2, though I also see a forum error from yesterday when user 'Enot' was unable to login. Do you suppose we would have seen Enot respond to Enot2 with a vote of confidence ?

I think it is the affirmative responses to oneself that most people (me included) find offputting.

Surely you (Enot/2) have some other, more credible means to support your position?!?

- Dan

[Gator]

Sick little boy.  

I even tried to help.

[Enot2]

Enot
Enot2
GTM
??

At least 3, and counting.

Surely you (Enot/2) have some other, more credible means to support your position?!?

- Dan

Those are the 3 I have, no more.  I created Enot2 because I could no longer sign on to Enot.

As I stated, I posted as GTM to make a point.  The point being no one wants to help Introverted, only say forget it (probably scared away by now).  He had made up his mind so why not help him instead of saying things like he is a loser.  I just wanted people to start being helpful instead of negative.  No malice intent or wrong doing was intended.

[Admin]

Those are the 3 I have, no more.  I created Enot2 because I could no longer sign on to Enot.

As I stated, I posted as GTM to make a point.  The point being no one wants to help Introverted, only say forget it (probably scared away by now).  He had made up his mind so why not help him instead of saying things like he is a loser.  I just wanted people to start being helpful instead of negative.  No malice intent or wrong doing was intended.

And your 'solution' was to create a ruse ?!?

Maybe it's just me - but if/when I seek others perspectives, I value genuine and sincere perspectives - not the product of some well-intentioned but misguided crusader.

- Dan