Do sincere RW focus on bikini/lingerie photos?

[veritas]

This question has been burning in my mind for a while now ...

Not just "do they USE them", but "do they FOCUS on them"?
As in, most/all of their profile photos and letter attachments?

Kevin

[kievstar]

Kevin, when I was looking for RW I noticed very few women with bikinis in my search engine but I was looking for woman averaging 28 years old.

You will find that the younger women have these photo shoots done as the agency pays for photo shoots to attract letter writers.  Younger women are just having fun dating and no expectation of marriage.  They have school and career to work on first and marriage when 30 years old is fine with them.  When you see the 20 year old woman remember she may not want to be married until 30.  That is a lot of foreign and local men to date in between.  10 years of fun and sun.  Many of these women are in it for dating not marriage.  But as clock ticks they become more marriage focused.  There are exceptions and some women do marry young but to many men chase women not ready for marriage and label them scammers unfairly when they appear to not want marriage after 1 visit. 

For fun do a search on A-web on number of women under 27 years old and younger.  Than 27 to 34.  Than 35 and over.  What is % of age bracket.  If you want children focus on the 28 to 34.   Do the same search on EM and compare the % of women in the age brackets.  I always found EM to have a good supply of older women (35 plus) and many of the EM from 27 to 34 also on A-web. 

[Shadow]

Kevin what you should ask yourself is do YOU want to focus on it.

Bikini and lingerie photos may be very attractive, but do you want to marry a woman who has bikini pictures all over the internet ? Not that in my opinion there is anything wrong with it, just you should consider if you have a problem with that.

[SMS60]

I think EM encourages (suggests) one swimsuit photo in the womans profile. ???

[Misha]

This question has been burning in my mind for a while now ...

Not just "do they USE them", but "do they FOCUS on them"?
As in, most/all of their profile photos and letter attachments?

Kevin

If you go to sites such as vkontakte and look at the photos that women post on their sites, you will see a fair share of bikini photos. Hell, right now my wife has a number of them posted from our trip earlier this month    The fact of the matter is that in Russia, a young attractive woman who considers that she has an attractive figure will have fewer qualms IMHO showing it off by posting a photo on a site such as vkontakte (the Russian Facebook) so they would be more likely to see it as acceptable to post such a photo on a site such as EM when they are looking for a man and are encouraged to do so.

[Shadow]

But remember that when a guy posts her - fully clothed and taken in public - picture there is hell to pay. 

[Jumper]

If you go to sites such as vkontakte and look at the photos that women post on their sites, you will see a fair share of bikini photos. Hell, right now my wife has a number of them posted from our trip earlier this month    The fact of the matter is that in Russia, a young attractive woman who considers that she has an attractive figure will have fewer qualms IMHO showing it off by posting a photo on a site such as vkontakte (the Russian Facebook) so they would be more likely to see it as acceptable to post such a photo on a site such as EM when they are looking for a man and are encouraged to do so.

X2

and per kievstar age  is also one factor.

a huge percentage of profiles kevin is seeing are liley young early 20 somethings (just from shear statistics of who is listed)
this same age group in the west on facebook ior my space will be open to placing such photos as well.

and in more acceprtence in europe pr the4 FSU , and it is niothing unusual at all.
and certainly not a focus ,
because they do not think of it that way kevin, different mentality,different culture.

if wearing a hat is normal to you since birth, and grow up in a culture ,where evertyone does so, it's excpected ..
 would you *focus* on photos where you wear a hat?

FSU culture refreshingly  accepts sexuality and attractiveness as normal human reactions between adult men and women.
sexuality is naturally accepted much more in all advertising there ..
you would notice it immediately in europe ,certainly in the  FSU , in advertising, TV showes, media, in general, and dress styles.


Been to Brazil?
Things are simply differenrt in other cultures..

[veritas]

X2

and per kievstar age  is also one factor.

a huge percentage of profiles kevin is seeing are liley young early 20 somethings (just from shear statistics of who is listed)
this same age group in the west on facebook ior my space will be open to placing such photos as well.

and in more acceprtence in europe pr the4 FSU , and it is niothing unusual at all.
and certainly not a focus ,
because they do not think of it that way kevin, different mentality,different culture.

if wearing a hat is normal to you since birth, and grow up in a culture ,where evertyone does so, it's excpected ..
 would you *focus* on photos where you wear a hat?

FSU culture refreshingly  accepts sexuality and attractiveness as normal human reactions between adult men and women.
sexuality is naturally accepted much more in all advertising there ..
you would notice it immediately in europe ,certainly in the  FSU , in advertising, TV showes, media, in general, and dress styles.


Been to Brazil?
Things are simply differenrt in other cultures..

Hmmmmmmm ... Thanks, AJ ... No, I've never been to Brazil -- or even outside the U.S., for that matter (except for
Niagara Falls and the Bahamas, which hardly qualify) -- but I've certainly HEARD about Brazil and seen PHOTOS of it ...

OK, so now we have a situation -- and culture -- in which having MOST/ALL of one's profile photos AND letter attachments
being bikini/lingerie shots (mainly from "photo sessions") is NOT unusual, right?  Or is even expected and appropriate, right?
I'm referring to pix that would probably be labeled as somewhat "risque" in a Puritan (-based) culture such as ours ...

And being bombarded with pix like those -- usually of 18-24 women, but not always -- on a website says absolutely NOTHING
about the sincerity (or lack thereof) of the women pictured NOR of the legitimacy (or lack thereof) of the website itself, right?

Well, then I guess the only question left in MY mind would be -- why are SOME of the SmokinHotKova's so "Puritanical" with THEIR pix?
Wouldn't that make THEM stand out as "prudish" or something?  I'm talking about girls who clearly have "smokin' hot bods" here, but
are NOT putting them on DISPLAY?  What's wrong with THEM, then?

Kevin

[Shadow]

Kevin it is nothing more than marketing.

Some guys show pictures of a large house and expensive car. Some women show picture that reveals their body.

Why ?

People try to show the best things they have to offer....

[Jumper]

Kevin -
yes somewhat expected in a profuile to astract mebn..

go in mamba ru  a singles site (singles.ru) and you will find pretty similar,, in this age range.
but yes more so on such sites as Aweb or DM..
almost all agerbncies encourafge girkls to do so,,

but as far as those that  use more conservative photos-
It speaks of their individuality, not unlike "some " young girls here?
some are quitye conservative, others quite open..

but honestly,,
overall this  isnt a very good indicator, on such sites, to weed out  " sincere or insincere" if thats what you are shooting at..

just like a 22 yo here, if she was comfortable with a bikini, or not , on her match.com ior maty space page,
would indicate a bit aboput her personality, but not so much about her sincerety?


the sites are really hard to sort out (from another country) without writing and spending money,its why its not a godd business model or place to look ibn tghis way.

if you are trying on such sites to easily discern sincerety with something  *general* in thier profiles,,
 it would ber extreemly hard in the age range you spercified.

one thing to "help" sort is age..
i'd say far more so than "dress style"

generally-would you think of most early college girls in the USDA, as seriously looking for a husband?
 what about a 32 yo with child??


same "genberally" applies there:
age late twenties and up will "in general" naturally be more sincere,, or those with children often are as well.
(but its just a generality)

read what they write in interests, and the man they are lookiong fior?
yes most are cookie cutter replies.. or written be agency ..

but SOME are obvioulsy written with some care by the individual.
in my opinion,that  is more revealing of a possible sincere profile, than whether she opted for a more conservative photo.

[Jooky]

What's wrong with THEM, then?

Nothing.

Kevin, take a look here:
http://www.mamba.ru/?lang_id=3
Search Russia, select Real and select hide sex-soliciting profiles.

That's more how Russian women usually 'market' themselves when looking for a man. You'll see some bikini shots or risque photos, but for the most part the photos are just nice every day photos.

For one step closer to the 'mail order bride' market look here:
http://www.bride.ru or http://www.elenasmodels.com
You'll see more professional shots and maybe more bikini shots here because a lot of these women have had photo shoots with a agency, but on bride.ru they are putting up their own profiles directly and Elena's is a mix (And you can tell quite easily which are agency girls. For example search girls 18-24 in Kiev).

What you are seeing on sites like Dream Marriage is what happens when an agency directly markets these girls. The agency puts together the extra sexy photo shoots, and the girls don't mind. It's true that Russians are usually less inhibited about showing off their sexy bodies, but it's only on the most sucker oriented sites that you see the abundance of lingerie and bikini shots.

[Misha]

Kevin, meaning comes solely from context, and without knowing the context, you never truly understand anything 

[veritas]

Kevin it is nothing more than marketing.

Some guys show pictures of a large house and expensive car. Some women show picture that reveals their body.

Why ?

People try to show the best things they have to offer....

Makes perfect sense, Shadow ... But I guess what I'm trying to get at here is something like this:

Should one consider a RW who "reveals her body" in most/all of her photos -- including letter attachments --
to be just as "sincere" (or not) as one who DOESN'T?  Does that say anything at all about either of them?
Will a "sincere" FSU woman want foreign men to desire her for her BODY -- either primarily or exclusively?

Kevin

P.S.  I see that THREE new replies (above) have been posted while I wrote this ... Perhaps they answer this question ...

[veritas]

Nothing.

Kevin, take a look here:
http://www.mamba.ru/?lang_id=3
Search Russia, select Real and select hide sex-soliciting profiles.

That's more how Russian women usually 'market' themselves when looking for a man. You'll see some bikini shots or risque photos, but for the most part the photos are just nice every day photos.

For one step closer to the 'mail order bride' market look here:
http://www.bride.ru or http://www.elenasmodels.com
You'll see more professional shots and maybe more bikini shots here because a lot of these women have had photo shoots with a agency, but on bride.ru they are putting up their own profiles directly and Elena's is a mix (And you can tell quite easily which are agency girls. For example search girls 18-24 in Kiev).

What you are seeing on sites like Dream Marriage is what happens when an agency directly markets these girls. The agency puts together the extra sexy photo shoots, and the girls don't mind. It's true that Russians are usually less inhibited about showing off their sexy bodies, but it's only on the most sucker oriented sites that you see the abundance of lingerie and bikini shots.

OK, I can definitely believe that last paragraph ... My experience with D-M (naturally) seems to bear that out ...

So perhaps I'm really asking the WRONG question -- based on a "sucker-oriented" site -- in the FIRST place ...

Kevin

[Shadow]

Makes perfect sense, Shadow ... But I guess what I'm trying to get at here is something like this:

Should one consider a RW who "reveals her body" in most/all of her photos -- including letter attachments --
to be just as "sincere" (or not) as one who DOESN'T?  Does that say anything at all about either of them?
Will a "sincere" FSU woman want foreign men to desire her for her BODY -- either primarily or exclusively?

Kevin

P.S.  I see that THREE new replies (above) have been posted while I wrote this ... Perhaps they answer this question ...

Sincere or not can never be understood from a picture or profile alone.

If a woman shows her body, that might be because she fees its her main quality. 
Brains are hard to show in a picture.

[Jumper]

Kevin-
jooky is spot on..

that the slant will be more so on such sites,,, it shouldn't surprise you.
and i've mentioned this to you before,
if Aweb or DM offers some random 20yo somkinhotkova a free photoshoot to set up her profile..
a large percentage of younger RW would think it was cool!! why not?
hey maybe even meet a foreign guy for date? not such a bad deal for a single girl.. it's not like she puts her life on hold or anything....so who could blame her?

add all that together,and it's poor place to look, but you already know that.


and yet I date a sincere woman from DM that had bikini photos up..!!
also i certainly have run into  scammers on every more repuatable sites you've seen listed in these few threads..
not as often, but those profiles  are there.

There are no safe websites, there are no insurance policies, warrantees, or guarantees..

there are no absolutes in this ,only general guidelines.
(think the pirates code lol )

You are still dabling over there? lol
 so you seem a bit bent on a conclusion, a statement of "scam or no scam"
convincing yourself of black or white....
and when someone posts somthing that supports your " inner vibe that it is a full on scam"
you seem to find solace that they confirmed it.
Like you want some data  to outright show that either ALL the biking clad hotties on DM are scam,    or mostly sincere.


nothing wrong with wanting or expecting concrete answers.:
but it just doesnt work that way..

you can only go by a general guideline.
many are not sincere, especially in that age group (would that age girl be looking for marriage here?  not often)

but yes some of those bikini hotties are normal sincere RW..
and are single and looking for a husband,some  would prefer you moved there even.
I know this for fact.. so does kievstar , and many others..

tons of guys have been scammed by women from there as well (and its usually by  young girls)

a percent of the ones you feel are scam, are that way to men that only write and play games
(as this is by far the largest perectage of mens profiles)
they may  even soft scam  some guys that show up?Dinner and maybe a gift,.. who knows..

but if they ran into a guy that they really had real interest in,  they would be sincere with him.
if they knew ahead of time they wernrt sincere with the others this doesn't  speak about their overall character,
but its prior knowledge of real interest hard to define..
 you do see there are all shades of grey?

girls HERE  sometimes date men they arnt truly interested in, it happens all the time for various reasons,
its no shock it happens in the FSU and particularly in the agency scenario..

just the way it is...
men have to accept that and find the best way for them to meet women they are interested in, then sort out if shes seriously intereted in them.

[viking]

A "normal" everyday type of shot of any woman at the beach, maybe having fun in the water of just lounging on a chair I would not construe as a negative thing.And there is nothing wrong in reveling your body shape. But...those photos of women who are giving you more than you need to know "look what I got baby..this could be all yours", well, I would be a little slower in making contact, if at all.

I was looking in the over 40yo range and some ladies had great photos of themselves in an evening dress, then normal street clothes, maybe in a cafe, and often just a nice bathing suit to add flavor. No red flags here.

[veritas]

Thanks, AJ, for yet another very thoughtful reply ... Especially since I seem to go 'round in circles on this ...

Yes, for $10/month, I still CONTINUE to "dabble" on D-M -- although, as many have said, I really shouldn't by now ...
Just reading (for "free"), NOT writing, but I CONTINUE to be astounded at the "bathing beauties" served up to me ...

Yes, Jooky WAS "right on" about A-web and D-M, wasn't he?  And yes, I guess I CONTINUE to search (mentally)
for a "definitive" answer (B & W), when there really ISN'T one (shades of grey) ...

But your answer -- that even SOME of these "bathing (or BEDDING) beauties" are sincere -- should be enough ...

A "normal" everyday type of shot of any woman at the beach, maybe having fun in the water of just lounging on a chair I would not construe as a negative thing.And there is nothing wrong in reveling your body shape. But...those photos of women who are giving you more than you need to know "look what I got baby..this could be all yours", well, I would be a little slower in making contact, if at all.

Thanks, viking ... That's EXACTLY the kind of photos I was talking about ...

Kevin

[Jumper]

Kevin --
 *some* being sincere, is not enough  to be a truly good path..
in fact a very poor one..there are enough land mines on this venture , without taking the extra steps into the KNOWN minefield.Aweb or DM , in the age groups you specified is a HUGE  minefield.HUGE.
and remember most are very photoshopped, it sure doesnt hurt in marketing..



It's not surprising you'd be taken aback by the shear number of beauties....?
and likely you would in person as well, if you traveled to even a provincial FSU city , most any store clerk or shop girl you saw would be like that ,and most of that age group you saw on the street or anywhere ..would.
 Eastern european women are beautiful in general, and often tall and thin,,( i should add a disclamier: they often follow a guideline in current times of perceived beauty.. ) and this age group you are mostly  noticing is college aged.


So a trip around your local FSU (florida state) campus would reveal much the same??

[veritas]

Kevin --
 *some* being sincere, is not enough  to be a truly good path..
in fact a very poor one..there are enough land mines on this venture , without taking the extra steps into the KNOWN minefield.Aweb or DM , in the age groups you specified is a HUGE  minefield.HUGE.
and remember most are very photoshopped, it sure doesnt hurt in marketing..

Oh no, AJ -- I didn't mean to imply that I'm actually LOOKING, or that I'd take ANY of them seriously ...

But yes -- excellent advice for those who are even MORE "new" here than "newkt" ...

It's not surprising you'd be taken aback by the shear number of beauties....?
and likely you would in person as well, if you traveled to even a provincial FSU city , most any store clerk or shop girl you saw would be like that ,and most of that age group you saw on the street or anywhere ..would.

Yes, I'm SURE I'd be taken aback in person, as well -- I've been told of the BEAUTIES walking the streets of Ukraine ...

Eastern european women are beautiful in general, and often tall and thin,,( i should add a disclamier: they often follow a guideline in current times of perceived beauty.. ) and this age group you are mostly  noticing is college aged.

Slightly here -- I've also noticed that their beauty includes rather prominent NOSES -- not WIDE, but LONG ...

So a trip around your local FSU (florida state) campus would reveal much the same??

You REMEMBERED that, AJ!!  I'm sort of amazed ... Not really so local (300 mi/480 km), but same concept, yes ...

Kevin

[veritas]

Kevin, take a look here:
http://www.mamba.ru/?lang_id=3
Search Russia, select Real and select hide sex-soliciting profiles.

OK, finally did this ... ALSO select "I: MAN" "would like to find: WOMAN" ... (I didn't do that the first time ... )

Kevin

[ECOCKS]

It would be a cautionary flag for me if there were more than one bikini shot in a profile set. Those with lingerie shots I wouldn't give any consideration too whatsoever.

[veritas]

It would be a cautionary flag for me if there were more than one bikini shot in a profile set. Those with lingerie shots I wouldn't give any consideration too whatsoever.

Really??  Thanks, ECOCKS -- although I think AJ might disagree?

Kevin

[Seeker]

Really??  Thanks, ECOCKS -- although I think AJ might disagree?

Kevin

Each of us sees and is looking for different things when we look for a mate (and see the pictures).  It is not a right or wrong thing.  This is where 'culture meets behavior' to reference another thread.  (I know, I am bad.)

We each have our own rules, and tolerance for exceptions.  No matter where we are from as 'Nationality' might make people think, individual tolerances and preferences will exist in any society.  Culture vs. Behavior is not just an inter-country thing, it is an intra-country thing too.

[ECOCKS]

Really??  Thanks, ECOCKS -- although I think AJ might disagree?

Kevin

AJ is a big boy Kevin and entitled to his own opinion. You asked a question on a forum board and I was one of the ones who answered it.