Leaving on a Jet Plane..I don't know when I'll be back again

[ecr844]

Anybody else??????

[JR]

I am simply AMAZED you got soooooo many posts in without being jumped on sooner than you did. Ignore it all and keep telling what needs to be told.

Thanks for sharing.

[russianfront]

Erc, I have thouroughly enjoyed your very detailed trip report. Your blow-by-blow account of the first woman's behavior has me smiling ear to ear as it mirrors the behaviour of almost every RW I have ever met, including my ex-wife. Now that I am chatting with other RW some are basically daring to come meet them so they can tear a strip off me. I just bought a web cam today and I was chatting on Skype (typing) with one hot but nasty one and she ripped me for not saying that I would use it with her NEXT time (it was in a box beside me and I had not set it up yet). She said that I act like a child and annoy her. I then rushed to set it up to pacify the hot-but-nasty one and once I got it set up (15 min. later) she had already blown out of Skype even though she knew I was trying as fast as I could to get the cam set up. With RW the best any of us can expect is to be abused once and a while. If you choose the wrong one look out 

[SMS60]

Why do TR posters want control over the responses about their TR?

Im intrigued about this mentality.

Why dont they post the report in the "sans responses" section? Or could it be they actually want what they are saying they dont?

Erc, ask the moderators to move your report to the "sans responses section" and you wont have to worry about any critizism. Your problem is solved.

By the way your not the only one who writes a TR and then request the members not to comment. Most TR"s follow this routine. Please remember this is a public forum. RWD has taken into account some posters might not want comments about their TR and has created a special section for people to read and not comment. I would consider this for your next report.

Thanks

[Handycam72]

Why do TR posters want control over the responses about their TR?

Maybe its good to make a response once the report is finished. :noidea:

How about you write one, it may give you some answers. 

Or could it be they actually want what they are saying they dont?

Translation anyone?

[ecr844]

Why do TR posters want control over the responses about their TR?

Im intrigued about this mentality.

Why dont they post the report in the "sans responses" section? Or could it be they actually want what they are saying they dont?

Erc, ask the moderators to move your report to the "sans responses section" and you wont have to worry about any critizism. Your problem is solved.

By the way your not the only one who writes a TR and then request the members not to comment. Most TR"s follow this routine. Please remember this is a public forum. RWD has taken into account some posters might not want comments about their TR and has created a special section for people to read and not comment. I would consider this for your next report.

Thanks

"SMS60,"



It's for you pick it up.

I've been a member here since 2005, and I'm well aware of what each section of the board contains and it's purpose. Since you're obviously reasoning handicapped I'll spell it all out for you. Although I must say I'm quite impressed that you were able to string together the words "trip report sans response" and figure out exactly what that means.

I posted this here on purpose. Ultimately discussion on the TR can provoke some great learning material for those who come after or it may degenerate into something less palatable. It depends on the respondent. My view is that TR's can help folks learn and also provide some passive encouragement for others. Whilst simultaneously providing them the opportunity to read real world experiences of others in whose path they will follow. They can take and decide to apply, or ignore this info as they choose. They may even be able to avoid some pitfalls based on what they learn from reading these experiences.

I politely asked that no comments be made in this TR until I finished for a single simple reason. It's my opinion and philosophy that being able to read a single cohesive TR without breaks in between the installments is beneficial to others. This is of course opposed to one where the reader has to muddle through pages and pages of Tourette's like outbursts, trolling, flaming, and valid, salient points to get to the next installment.

It was indeed my hope that this TR would be kept intact as a single unit and fellow members would able to be read it comprehensively. Then discussion could ensue about all sorts of different events, theories, observations, and other things. Thus no matter the content of the replies, the reader would be able to get whole story start to finish and then move on to consider the various points based on their merits.

Is that clear enough for you? Does that make enough logical sense that you're able to 'get it,' yet? Do you have any more off topic written sewage you'd like to provide as further proof you have trouble reasoning your way out of a paper bag? By the way, how many trips have you made to the FSU again? I found comments you've been at least 3 times. What's a matter do you lack the courage to stand up and write about your experiences? Perhaps you're worried doing this will highlight how utterly 'normal' or even 'abnormal' as the case may be you are? How many honest TR's have you posted to help your fellow adventurers and others who are on the same path?

You know, a quick use of the search functionality of the site shows that you enjoy regularly trying to expand on your ego and superiority complex by belittling the very idea of a TR and various members. Ohhh.... how very clever and astute of you. You're a big man. Do those comments stroke your self-satisfaction, and need for attention sufficiently. Can we now presume that since that has been taken care of that we can continue with the rest of the story without further B$ and static from you; or can we anticipate that you're gonna throw out another Animal Planet fueled analogy? In the next post perhaps?

Frankly this TR was only 40% finished. There's a whole second half which would have been just as entertaining to read and would have probably provoked just as much discussion as the first half.

Now there have been some great points in this thread and the comments have been remarkable reasoned and mostly thoughtful. Which is good. I just feel it would be better if they had been made at the end of the the complete TR. Just this members $0.02

Anybody else have the overwhelming need to be heard, have any comments, concerns, or trolling they just have to get out of their system right away?


Out here.

 

 

[ML]

ECR844, I understand completely your reasoning.

However, your attempted procedure flies in the  face of all logic about how people act in the real world.

For your procedure to work: i.e. You post your entire story and then people comment; you would have to post it all at once.

When you post just some of it with several days, or even just several hours of lag time, normal people cannot wait . . . they must comment.  You would do the same if the situation were reversed.

I know that the decisions about TRs (to post or not) are hard to make.

I read and saw the almost futility of trying to avoid getting the silly responses, so I decided to not tell much in my trip  report.  As a result, my TR died on the vine, even though at first some praised me for writing an 'honorable' or some such TR.

Posters here say they want a clean TR with no details about sex, etc., but it is simply not true.  Leave that out and  your TR dies quickly.  Put it in and your TR will  live forever.

It seems there might be a viable middle ground for those who want the chance to write their TR without interruption; and then get some comments.

This middle ground would call for writing (at your own speed as time permits) the TR in the No Comments section.  Then, when the report is finished, reposting it in its entirety here for others to comment on.

[Daveman]

ManLooking touched on something upon which I'd like to expand.. please take this TR general discussion over to this thread:

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=12384.0

Thanks,
Dave

[dogspot]

It was indeed my hope that this TR would be kept intact as a single unit and fellow members would able to be read it comprehensively. Then discussion could ensue about all sorts of different events, theories, observations, and other things. Thus no matter the content of the replies, the reader would be able to get whole story start to finish and then move on to consider the various points based on their merits.

Let me ask you something ECR. This trip occurred in May and was written in June (at least up until the point where you stopped here on this board and on another board). On "the other board" you stopped at the very same point that you stopped here on this board. That last post was made on June 19th, well over 2 months ago. You stopped writing. You left people hanging. Then you decided to try the same thing over here. Again, you left the readers hanging. My questions to you is, Is this TR fully written and if so, why not just post the entire report without taking a break?

I can't help but thinking that you are baiting the readers by intentionally pausing the story and waiting for a little backlash. I mean, it's not like you haven't had time to finish the TR in the past 2 months since you started writing. So why pause? You've been around here for long enough to know that TRs get picked apart, especially when you leave the reader hanging. It just doesn't make sense to me. If you have the report written, go ahead and post it. If you don't and you don't want responses till the end, wait and post it after it is finished.

[tim 360]

Let me ask you something ECR. This trip occurred in May and was written in June (at least up until the point where you stopped here on this board and on another board). On "the other board" you stopped at the very same point that you stopped here on this board. That last post was made on June 19th, well over 2 months ago. You stopped writing. You left people hanging. Then you decided to try the same thing over here. Again, you left the readers hanging. My questions to you is, Is this TR fully written and if so, why not just post the entire report without taking a break?

I can't help but thinking that you are baiting the readers by intentionally pausing the story and waiting for a little backlash. I mean, it's not like you haven't had time to finish the TR in the past 2 months since you started writing. So why pause? You've been around here for long enough to know that TRs get picked apart, especially when you leave the reader hanging. It just doesn't make sense to me. If you have the report written, go ahead and post it. If you don't and you don't want responses till the end, wait and post it after it is finished.

Agree with Dogspot.  I don't think anyone "interrupted' ECR's trip report until on page # 2 Facetrock posted that he could not see the photos, to which ECR replied that the photo problems now was fixed and 8 hours later AJ compliments the trip report as do a few others including myself.  That was on Sept 2nd.  I had thought the report was over.  So that is really where any confusion lies since I think many had thought it was finished.  Then a stop and no continuing report for 3 days--so I think most would have thought it was over.  Now some may not have agreed with his strategy and I can understand that.  Further I think it was pretty brave for him to post a trip that took a nosedive.  Problem really is he never said when it ended or if it was over.

[Ade]

After taking a look over on RUA and seeing that you'd never finished the TR  over there some months ago I assumed you'd finished here too.  Not that it would have stopped me posting mind you. As others have said, if you don't want comments halfway through, wait to post until you're done or post into the sans response sub-forum. Easy.

ECR, I know you're not stupid and I think you're a nice enough guy but really, I'm a little gob smacked by your behaviour during this trip. I'd really like to hear some valid reasons why you think it was a good idea to give so many extravagant gifts to people you didn't know and had never met before and why you allowed this girl to walk all over you? Perhaps you were blind with love/lust/hope?

[SMS60]

"SMS60,"



It's for you pick it up.   

Hello Erc, its me SMS..... Hope your feeling better from expelling the vial from your organism.

I have to go. I have bigger fish to fry. Keep in touch. Bye

[ECOCKS]

Let me ask you something ECR. This trip occurred in May and was written in June (at least up until the point where you stopped here on this board and on another board). On "the other board" you stopped at the very same point that you stopped here on this board. That last post was made on June 19th, well over 2 months ago. You stopped writing. You left people hanging. Then you decided to try the same thing over here. Again, you left the readers hanging. My questions to you is, Is this TR fully written and if so, why not just post the entire report without taking a break?

I can't help but thinking that you are baiting the readers by intentionally pausing the story and waiting for a little backlash. I mean, it's not like you haven't had time to finish the TR in the past 2 months since you started writing. So why pause? You've been around here for long enough to know that TRs get picked apart, especially when you leave the reader hanging. It just doesn't make sense to me. If you have the report written, go ahead and post it. If you don't and you don't want responses till the end, wait and post it after it is finished.

Good points - + .9

[tim 360]

I can't help but thinking that you are baiting the readers by intentionally pausing the story and waiting for a little backlash. I mean, it's not like you haven't had time to finish the TR in the past 2 months since you started writing. So why pause? You've been around here for long enough to know that TRs get picked apart, especially when you leave the reader hanging. It just doesn't make sense to me. If you have the report written, go ahead and post it. If you don't and you don't want responses till the end, wait and post it after it is finished.

Yeah, noticed it was first posted 2 1/2 months ago on the other board and then abruptly stopped after some questioned his decisions.

[JR]

Hello Erc, its me SMS..... Hope your feeling better from expelling the vial from your organism.

I have to go. I have bigger fish to fry. Keep in touch. Bye

Silly boy ERC, you did exactly as SMS wanted you to do. He played you like a fiddle. Ignore everyone and drive on.

Thanks for posting, it's a good T/R

[Chicagoguy]

ecr844 -

Please post more. I have enjoyed reading your tale and would like to hear the finish.

[Rubicon]

interesting trip report.  I hage to admit I don't understand why you kept going out with her after the first couple of dates.  I wish that when you gave her the notebook and she was so rude and ungrateful that you had grabbed it back, went to your room and locked the door, and never saw her again.  she wanted to marry you, but for what purpose?  she clearly intended to use you as a mule.  I hope you have better luck next time.  maybe you should post her name and actions on Jims List to warn other men about her.

[Eduard]

Erc, I have thouroughly enjoyed your very detailed trip report. Your blow-by-blow account of the first woman's behavior has me smiling ear to ear as it mirrors the behaviour of almost every RW I have ever met, including my ex-wife. Now that I am chatting with other RW some are basically daring to come meet them so they can tear a strip off me. I just bought a web cam today and I was chatting on Skype (typing) with one hot but nasty one and she ripped me for not saying that I would use it with her NEXT time (it was in a box beside me and I had not set it up yet). She said that I act like a child and annoy her. I then rushed to set it up to pacify the hot-but-nasty one and once I got it set up (15 min. later) she had already blown out of Skype even though she knew I was trying as fast as I could to get the cam set up. With RW the best any of us can expect is to be abused once and a while. If you choose the wrong one look out  

where do you manage to find all these nasty ones???  I mean, sure, there is a small percentage of real bitches among RW or any women on Earth, but reading your post one would think that ALL RW are horrible, and I happen to know that this is not the case...is there a special web site, like sterva.ru or something??? LOL  

PS. Sorry, Eric I waited for a couple of days to post on this thread, hoping you will continue. But somehow I get the feeling now that the remainder of your TR is going to stay your little secret, just like it did on RUA. I personally don't find anything wrong with giving gifts and showing generousity to a nice, decent woman who I really care about, but I'd wanna make sure that she is "nice and decent" first.

[Ade]

where do you manage to find all these nasty ones???  I mean, sure, there is a small percentage of real bitches among RW or any women on Earth, but reading your post one would think that ALL RW are horrible, and I happen to know that this is not the case...is there a special web site, like sterva.ru or something??? LOL  

PS. Sorry, Eric I waited for a couple of days to post on this thread, hoping you will continue. But somehow I get the feeling now that the remainder of your TR is going to stay your little secret, just like it did on RUA. I personally don't find anything wrong with giving gifts and showing generousity to a nice, decent woman who I really care about, but I'd wanna make sure that she is "nice and decent" first.

I agree. Just bizarre.

[Admin]

I agree. Just bizarre.

We don't really know yet if it is "bizarre."

Y'all can either be patient and wait to see if there is any further TR posted, or you can criticize what is posted to-date and virtually assure no further posts if the author becomes offended and stops.

I 'get it' that this TR was also posted at RUA and has been idle and incomplete for some time - weeks or more, I guess.

I 'get it' that those who read the TR there have some anticipation of the same result here at RWD.

It is not clear to me whether ecr plans to finish the TR or not. At one point I believed he planned to continue, but based on his comments in Reply # 80 upthread, I am uncertain. It is his prerogative to leave it as-is in an incomplete state, as ungratifying as that may be to our members.

At the end of the day - those who look for new TRs and their authors as if they are raw meat ready to be devoured and torn apart are creating an environment where fewer and fewer members are willing to share their TRs.

- Dan

[2tallbill]

Guys, imagine going on a trip to see a gal that you had a lot
of time, hope, and feelings invested in. You make a trip to see
her and agree to write about it. Then the whole things starts to
go to sh!t. You can see flags but you really want to try to salvage
because you got all these emotions invested.

Then a bunch of guys who don't know anything about you start giving
you a major ration of crap. Here you are laying your emotional real life
story out here for everyone to see and everyone starts micro-analyzing
your every move. 

IMHO newbies can learn as much from stories that went off a cliff than
they can in fairy tale happily ever after reports.

If I had a say (I don't) I would recommend the mods getting together and
cleaning up the comments on the report. Then encouraging Eric to tell the
rest of it. I am not a guy who is into heavy moderation but I think the TRs
are a special place in the forum that probably is a section that warrants it.
Or in shortly there will be no more TRs.

Just my two kopecks,

Bill

[Jack]

are creating an environment where fewer and fewer members are willing to share their TRs.

And photos!   

[ecr844]

I 'get it' that this TR was also posted at RUA and has been idle and incomplete for some time - weeks or more, I guess.

Seeing as you have an active member profile there it wouldn't be unreasonable to presume that you went and checked for yourself. Again, this has been commented on already here. I'll write it here once again for the comprehension impaired. I started sharing this TR elsewhere. I wrote parts of it while I was still on my trip. I wrote other parts afterward. I stopped writing it and stated it would remain incomplete there for a number of reasons. Some were shared publicly others were not.

I stated I would share my TR here. I did and merely asked for some courtesy and for folks to be patient and allow me to finish it in it's entirety before commenting. I did so as there was a time on this board where that request would have been honored and enforced. Apparently that's changed. when pressed and asked I further clarified and wrote that the second half was not completely written. I also wrote that I would finish it here. I will. This would be to any reasonable reader, fairly clear concise easy to understand prose. Hopefully the second time around it'll sink in and maybe last a little longer in the collective memory.  

I 'get it' that those who read the TR there have some anticipation of the same result here at RWD.

Apprently those people haven't read or retained what I've previously posted. For those with difficulty remembering they should reread this post.

It is not clear to me whether ecr plans to finish the TR or not. At one point I believed he planned to continue, but based on his comments in Reply # 80 upthread, I am uncertain. It is his prerogative to leave it as-is in an incomplete state, as ungratifying as that may be to our members.

I've now written on multiple occasions in more than one thread that it will continue. How would you prefer I phrase it to be more clear than I already have? Is there another form of delivery you think would be more effective?

At the end of the day - those who look for new TRs and their authors as if they are raw meat ready to be devoured and torn apart are creating an environment where fewer and fewer members are willing to share their TRs.

- Dan

Before I even wrote the TR anywhere when I considered sharing the story I knew it's be contentious for a number of reasons and for a variety of folks. The demographics who'd feel the need to comment on all sorts of things I write in this thread will be fairly broad and as the two threads have proven irresistible for some to have the opportunity to do nothing more than be heard. Constructive dialogue is fine, reasoned response and discourse, with decorum would be welcome as it would potentially benefit a lot of folks. That being said, the trolling flaming veiled, insinuated, implied insults and personal attacks, etc.. These should be unwelcome, unacceptable and be dealt with by management. That apparently has yet to occur.


so once folks are done 'huffing and puffing,' and throwing out their versions of Utopia style puffery, and need to sit back and 'catch their proverbial breath'. Then I'll continue.
 

[Admin]

Seeing as you have an active member profile there it wouldn't be unreasonable to presume that you went and checked for yourself. Again, this has been commented on already here. I'll write it here once again for the comprehension impaired. I started sharing this TR elsewhere. I wrote parts of it while I was still on my trip. I wrote other parts afterward. I stopped writing it and stated it would remain incomplete there for a number of reasons. Some were shared publicly others were not.

I stated I would share my TR here. I did and merely asked for some courtesy and for folks to be patient and allow me to finish it in it's entirety before commenting. I did so as there was a time on this board where that request would have been honored and enforced. Apparently that's changed. when pressed and asked I further clarified and wrote that the second half was not completely written. I also wrote that I would finish it here. I will. This would be to any reasonable reader, fairly clear concise easy to understand prose. Hopefully the second time around it'll sink in and maybe last a little longer in the collective memory.  

Apprently those people haven't read or retained what I've previously posted. For those with difficulty remembering they should reread this post.

I've now written on multiple occasions in more than one thread that it will continue. How would you prefer I phrase it to be more clear than I already have? Is there another form of delivery you think would be more effective?

Before I even wrote the TR anywhere when I considered sharing the story I knew it's be contentious for a number of reasons and for a variety of folks. The demographics who'd feel the need to comment on all sorts of things I write in this thread will be fairly broad and as the two threads have proven irresistible for some to have the opportunity to do nothing more than be heard. Constructive dialogue is fine, reasoned response and discourse, with decorum would be welcome as it would potentially benefit a lot of folks. That being said, the trolling flaming veiled, insinuated, implied insults and personal attacks, etc.. These should be unwelcome, unacceptable and be dealt with by management. That apparently has yet to occur.


so once folks are done 'huffing and puffing,' and throwing out their versions of Utopia style puffery, and need to sit back and 'catch their proverbial breath'. Then I'll continue.
 

ecr,

Just a few points.

I am glad to learn you will continue. As I wrote, I was simply not clear. There was a point in one of your posts (referenced in my earlier post) where it seemed you would not. Mine was not intended to criticize, but merely to express my lack of clarity.

As for an account at RUA, yes I do, and I occasionally make a post or two there - as Manny does here. Honestly, I did not go over to review your TR there. As in the past, there is nothing I can do, or care to do, about what happens at other internet venues. I have enough to keep up with events here at RWD. My comments about your TR at RUA were based on other's comments and I did not independently verify those.

In terms of things being "dealt with by management" - well, as in the past, RWD remains true to our roots of being largely self-moderated. That was in evidence in this eruption as well. As a member here since 2005 you have certainly seen your fair share of 'eruptions' and you lack no resolve to call out bad behavior when you see it. So too, you should expect others to react in a less than cordial manner when you come across as bristly, as you must admit you often do.

At the end of the day, we appreciate your contributions in the TR. If someone posts something you find offensive, please do not hesitate to use the 'Report to moderator' button and it will be closely examined.

Carry on . . . .

- Dan

[JohnDearGreen]

interesting trip report.  I hage to admit I don't understand why you kept going out with her after the first couple of dates. 

If he was using abelarusbride agency there is a $1295 fee just to start emailing the lady.  It would only be natural to make a little extra effort to make things work with that kind of initial investment.  If he has the time and money, I see nothing too wrong with his report.  It is better to give it too much time than not enough.  As he said all along, things weren't looking as well as he had hoped for.  There were negatives, but maybe the lady had some positives also.

Excuse the interruption, but were you using abelarusbride?