Why are y'all really looking for RW?

[Steamer]

Not quite sure, Steamer ... I came to RWD to preach against D-M, and I got lost in my own and psychobabble ...

So I'm not really sure what I'm doing here anymore, but this still seems to me like a good community to be in ...

Kevin

Understood.

[veritas]

I think the best answer you could get though, would be to ask yourself - Why are you drawn to DM like a fly.. er.. like moth to a flame?  That reason is probably very, very similar.  

Re-reading this, it occurred to me that I'm also drawn to PLAYBOY like a "moth to a flame", but that's mostly AW ...

So, are you saying that the best girls that the FSU has to offer are "better" than the best of the USA?
I don't think so, based on what you wrote about the South ... Are they, then, just more "available"
to middle-aged guys?  Or something along those lines?

Kevin

[ECOCKS]

I find the women to be significantly more attractive than in the US. That's based on random walking around and noticing that my attention was being caught by more women in 15 minutes than all week in US settings. Somewhat anecdotal, but I've lived significant amounts of time in Irvine, Seattle, Atlanta, Memphis and Denver. Those are pretty diverse cities and cover decades so I am confident that this is true. My definitions of gorgeous, beautiful and pretty underwent considerable upgrading.

Rather than argue about it though, go see for yourself and make your own decisions. I suggest parking yourself on one of the benches in the Globus or Karavan malls and the Kreshatyk or Maidan metros during morning rush hour and counting the number of women who catch your eye and turn your head. After you hit 100 (about every 40 minutes or so for me) you will get an idea of the differences between here and there. Then you can repeat the experiment in your town, church, mall or workplace when you get back home.

For those who are still trying to decide, I suggest watching Eduard's video which was posted in another thread. Regardless of what you think about the guy in the video (or the girl for that matter), pay attention to the FSUW who are walking on the street that are not staged and give yourself a good idea of the random women you will encounter on the street.

Reach your own conclusions based on where you live, since that is the one that matters most.

[Misha]

So, are you saying that the best girls that the FSU has to offer are "better" than the best of the USA?

No, they wouldn't be better, but odds are pretty good they would either be married or not interested in dating most of the guys who marry RW 

[Faux Pas]

No, they wouldn't be better, but odds are pretty good they would either be married or not interested in dating most of the guys who marry RW 

You or I took his question out of context. Are the women "better"? Probably not, but the conditions do allow most WM an opportunity to date/marry a woman better than most can date/marry in their own country. That's what I thought he was asking DKMN  :noidea:

[Steamer]

So, are you saying that the best girls that the FSU has to offer are "better" than the best of the USA?
I don't think so, based on what you wrote about the South ... Are they, then, just more "available"
to middle-aged guys?  Or something along those lines?

Speaking for myself: The best girls that the FSU has to offer are more "available" to the average guy which gives an appearance that FSU women are better. Actually what we've found are FSU women that are a couple of notches above what we're used to in the US.

Geez, my wife could've found better than me in a Pet Shop but I'll never tell.

[veritas]

You or I took his question out of context. Are the women "better"? Probably not, but the conditions do allow most WM an opportunity to date/marry a woman better than most can date/marry in their own country. That's what I thought he was asking DKMN  :noidea:

That's OK, Faux -- at this point, even *I* don't remember what I was asking DKMM, what with the Morse code and all ...

But I think I get the picture, anyway ...  

Kevin

[GQBlues]

Pretty silly question to ask in the first place anyway...

Things to consider...
1. Women in the FSU do on average have an inch of dead diatoms pasted on their faces and a full compliment of make-up everyday, in the US they mostly prefer minimal to none at all.
2. In the US, most women you do see will more than likely be relaxed and casual in their daily clothing, while in the FSU they're mostly dressed to impress with no particular place to go.
3. In the FSU, they're not as enthnically diverse as we are on the USA. Throw in fat Mexican and African American women in the streets of FSU in equal ratio, the sights will dramatically change.
4. Lastly, most cities in the USA are car-oriented metropolis, thus you will hardly have a hefty amount of women walking around like you will see in the FSU.

There's no denying there are a lot of beautiful women in FSU - but so do in USA, in Canada, in Mexico, in Brazil, in Italy, etc...

Listen Kevin...you don't need to go to FSU to get a glimpse of what reality is....just attend one of the AM/RW get-togethers and look at the attending FSUW as a whole, or go to a Russian church near you...do that then you can answer the question yourself.

[erudite]

I am out of the chase as of this summer as I have found the woman for me in Kharkiv, but I will simply put it to the forum in this way: I looked for a woman who truly enjoyed being a woman and feminine without a chip of feminism or penis envy on her shoulders.  Those women exist in FSU in greater numbers than most any place you will find on earth.  In America they exist but for the most part they leave a great deal to be desired in the physical aspects of the situation.  In America a good woman is hard (if not nigh impossible) to find.  In FSU a good man for such a woman is hard to find.  Makes for a great win win situation.

[Daveman]

Re-reading this, it occurred to me that I'm also drawn to PLAYBOY like a "moth to a flame", but that's mostly AW ...

So, are you saying that the best girls that the FSU has to offer are "better" than the best of the USA?
I don't think so, based on what you wrote about the South ... Are they, then, just more "available"
to middle-aged guys?  Or something along those lines?

Kevin

Are they "better"? No.  

Okay, lemme put it this way... take off the make-up, the clothes (hey, love that idea), the high heels, and they are as equally frightening as any other woman in the morning. Are they prettier? Well, no. I do like the slavic eyes... yep, those can be quite gorgeous..  

Yes, they do tend to be more thin, as do the men over there.  They do tend to take better care of themselves on a daily basis, looking their best most of the time.  They dress sexier, carry themselves sexier, etc. They do tend to act more feminine - not always, but we are talking generalities.  

Put the same clothes, the same make-up, the same walk, etc, on the same size and age AW and their really isn't much difference (except for the sexy accent).  

Which brings us full circle back to - for most guys, regardless of what they say, 'better' = 'younger' and 'hotter' and I guess add 'shooting fish in a barrel available'.  There may be one or two exceptions, however, if you look closely at even those who just *happened* to meet (not searching for a RW), their wives are generally several years younger than what would be considered the norm.

Are they overall more attractive on average? Yes, because they try to be.  Are they "better" partners?  I would say no better and no worse but different.  They do tend to separate familial roles of men and women and some guys view this as more "traditional" roles...

 The ones I have met have all wanted to take care of me. They do that very well but they also expect a man to be a man (in her eyes).. the protector..etc.  This is beginning to sound like agency hype, but there *is* a grain of truth to it..  However, if a man is expecting the "June Cleaver" type, he'll probably get his ass kicked on a daily basis.  There's a lot of drama in RW.. there's a lot of internal "power struggle" games.  It's a game really (just like with most women, but perhaps more in your face rather than more subtle like AW).. the stronger you are (without being a complete ass) the softer and more tender she becomes.  They like to push you and test limits to see exactly where you become a stone wall, or push back.

There's a reason why it has been said that RW are not for everyone.  Sometimes they are more of a pain in the butt than they're worth.. and then other times, they're like heaven on earth.  They're women...  so they have both halos and horns (and no matter where she's from, I'm pretty sure those are all made in China)

So, they're my experience and perception summarized in a few paragraphs.  What can I say? I like 'em!  :evil:

[veritas]

Pretty silly question to ask in the first place anyway...

I don't know about that, GQ ... This topic has garnered a number of thoughtful replies and quite a lot of views ...

Are they "better"? No.  

Okay, lemme put it this way... take off the make-up, the clothes (hey, love that idea), the high heels, and they are as equally frightening as any other woman in the morning. Are they prettier? Well, no. I do like the slavic eyes... yep, those can be quite gorgeous..  

Yes, they do tend to be more thin, as do the men over there.  They do tend to take better care of themselves on a daily basis, looking their best most of the time.  They dress sexier, carry themselves sexier, etc. They do tend to act more feminine - not always, but we are talking generalities.  

Put the same clothes, the same make-up, the same walk, etc, on the same size and age AW and their really isn't much difference (except for the sexy accent).  

Which brings us full circle back to - for most guys, regardless of what they say, 'better' = 'younger' and 'hotter' and I guess add 'shooting fish in a barrel available'.  There may be one or two exceptions, however, if you look closely at even those who just *happened* to meet (not searching for a RW), their wives are generally several years younger than what would be considered the norm.

Are they overall more attractive on average? Yes, because they try to be.  Are they "better" partners?  I would say no better and no worse but different.  They do tend to separate familial roles of men and women and some guys view this as more "traditional" roles...

The ones I have met have all wanted to take care of me. They do that very well but they also expect a man to be a man (in her eyes).. the protector..etc.  This is beginning to sound like agency hype, but there *is* a grain of truth to it..  However, if a man is expecting the "June Cleaver" type, he'll probably get his ass kicked on a daily basis.  There's a lot of drama in RW.. there's a lot of internal "power struggle" games.  It's a game really (just like with most women, but perhaps more in your face rather than more subtle like AW).. the stronger you are (without being a complete ass) the softer and more tender she becomes.  They like to push you and test limits to see exactly where you become a stone wall, or push back.

There's a reason why it has been said that RW are not for everyone.  Sometimes they are more of a pain in the butt than they're worth.. and then other times, they're like heaven on earth.  They're women...  so they have both halos and horns (and no matter where she's from, I'm pretty sure those are all made in China)

So, they're my experience and perception summarized in a few paragraphs.  What can I say? I like 'em!  :evil:

Thanks, Dave, for a superb answer ...  

Kevin

P.S.  Here's the most adorable photo I've ever seen on D-M ... It actually made me smile this morning:

http://www.dream-marriage.com/profile-Pretty-Russian-Bride-Irina-953333.html

P.P.S.  And, being 46 years old, I'm well within her stated age group of 23-65 ... 

[Shadow]

P.S.  Here's the most adorable photo I've ever seen on D-M ... It actually made me smile this morning:

http://www.dream-marriage.com/profile-Pretty-Russian-Bride-Irina-953333.html

P.P.S.  And, being 46 years old, I'm well within her stated age group of 23-65 ... 

Every guy loves a woman showing her pussy ... feline companion. 

[JR]

What do you mean by "better"?  Just to get more specific here ...

Kevin

"Better" in this instance means younger, more attractive and with the perception of less baggage than one could or would approach in your own back yard. Most of the men in this pursuit would never attempt to date visually equal women at home they so freely pursue via the internet in the FSU.

[DKMM]

I thought my reply was simple enough.  I wasn't trying to describe if the average woman there is of better quality than the average here.  THAT all depends on what you're looking for.  What I was saying is for me I could get a better wife there than I could get here.  Whatever you are looking for in a wife, the chances are you can get more of those qualities in someone there.  The simple reason is you are higher in the dating pool there than here (I thought the reason was so obvious it needed not mentioning).

But that doesn't mean you are at the top.  It makes more sense if you think of it on a relative basis.  Thus, for that 22 y.o. hottie on DM you are a better catch than the typical 46 year old RM, but not necessarily a 26 year old RM.  She would never go for you if she lived here so she probably won't go for you over there either unless she really wants what you have to offer.  One of the reasons I was successful is I was the age and type of man my wife was looking for in a RM so I didn't have to compensate for that (8 year difference).  In the same sense, I got a much better version of the type I was already looking for. 

I was able to and did date decent women in the USA.  I probably could have been happily married to an American.  But I found the best woman in the world in the FSU and I would have to be a professional athlete here to get a girl like I married.   I hope that all makes sense.

[veritas]

Yeah, that all makes sense ... Thanks for the explanation there, DKMM ...

Kevin

P.S.  I didn't actually find that "hottie" on D-M to be all that hot -- "cute" would be more like it, for me (esp. dimples) ...
       What I found to be so adorable was the photo of her showing her pussy "feline companion" ... (Thanks, Shadow! )

[Eduard]

I thought my reply was simple enough.  I wasn't trying to describe if the average woman there is of better quality than the average here.  THAT all depends on what you're looking for.  What I was saying is for me I could get a better wife there than I could get here.  Whatever you are looking for in a wife, the chances are you can get more of those qualities in someone there.  The simple reason is you are higher in the dating pool there than here (I thought the reason was so obvious it needed not mentioning).

But that doesn't mean you are at the top.  It makes more sense if you think of it on a relative basis.  Thus, for that 22 y.o. hottie on DM you are a better catch than the typical 46 year old RM, but not necessarily a 26 year old RM.  She would never go for you if she lived here so she probably won't go for you over there either unless she really wants what you have to offer.  One of the reasons I was successful is I was the age and type of man my wife was looking for in a RM so I didn't have to compensate for that (8 year difference).  In the same sense, I got a much better version of the type I was already looking for. 

I was able to and did date decent women in the USA.  I probably could have been happily married to an American.  But I found the best woman in the world in the FSU and I would have to be a professional athlete here to get a girl like I married.   I hope that all makes sense.

I agree. Every time I go to FSU I feel very different there compared to Tampa Bay. Could it be my Florida sun tan?    I don't know, but here in FL women typically look away and they basically make you feel like you don't exist. In the FSU, on the other hand, women look at you, stare right in your eyes, flirt, smile at you...what a difference! I mean, I'm married and I'm not looking for any one, but this makes you feel better about yourself, you feel desireable, your selfesteem is higher, life becomes more enjoyable. I know, I know, it's just a perception thingy, but hey, what isn't???

[Lily]

  In America a good woman is hard (if not nigh impossible) to find.  In FSU a good man for such a woman is hard to find.  Makes for a great win win situation.

I believe that from a RW's perspective, this says all

[Eduard]

I believe that from a RW's perspective, this says all

I believe the same, it is definitely a win-win situation. There has been people in the passed who accused me of "selling RW to foreigners" of "being a pimp" etc. The reality is that I was very frustrated with the situation with AW and that after trying for 2 years I couldn't even find one locally to date (well, I could but I would have to significantly lower my standarts! Women in Russia are faced with the same situation - sure they can find a local RM to date or to marry, but many of them would have to significantly lower their standarts!). So I broadened my search and found plenty in Russia who would love to date me and marry me and these women were way above the AW willing to date me, both in looks, age and intellect. I married one and have a family with her. I don't see anything wrong in helping other marriage minded men who are fed up with the situation with WM find a RW/UW for LTR and marriage. Most women, once they meet my clients can't even believe how a guy like that can be single and unable to find a nice attractive woman for marriage locally, where he lives. Once we explain the situation to them and they finally believe that it is possible, they usually suggest that we should merge the 2 countries 

[ML]

Quote from: erudite on September 14, 2010, 10:49:01 PM
In America a good woman is hard (if not nigh impossible) to find.  In FSU a good man for such a woman is hard to find.  Makes for a great win win situation.

I believe that from a RW's perspective, this says all

Depending on your criteria of 'good' then yes I agree about difficulty in America.

But I still find it somewhat hard to believe the situation that Lily and other women claim with respect to finding a good man in FSU.

I didn't really type any of the above.

Yes, it sounds good to hear such words from the women . . .  but is it all just to make us feel good about being an AM?

Their is a 'dark side' to this for one who wishes to play the Devil's Advocate. :-)

This side says that the FSU women are just a real pain in the a$$ and the FSU men won't put up with them for very long; because they don't have to.  We in the West get those that the FSU men don't want.

[BC]

Hate to disagree with y'all, but when I was in the US, at 20 years old there were quite a few ladies I was interested in and married one of them.  When I was in Germany in my 30's there were just as many.. My US wife wanted to split ways and I ended up with a German wife.. Long time later she got 'nuts' on me so parted ways again for another LTR with another German woman.. then parted again in my 40's for a mix of Italian, Spanish and Turkish STR's, and finally landed married again with my current RW.  With past LTR's, ratio was about 75% a great time, 25%hell, with STR's the most rewarding ratio (but never frequent enough LOL) - quite universal IMHO.

Over time, I've come to the following conclusions:

1. Permanent relationships of any kind are very very rare and against natural instincts.
2. Following smoke, you will find fire.  Your first passport application should not provoked by a woman.
3. Starting a relationship is no problem - just have to be able to open your mouth.  Get a tetanus shot if necessary.
4. Seeking a specific relationship (as in RW), or worse - marriage, is a problem, hoping it will last till you die at most a gamble with odds hovering somewhere just above zero.
5. Physical beauty is the first aspect that wears off - yours included.
6. Don't expect women of any continent the age of your daughter to act any different than your daughter.
7. When discouraged about the women in your surroundings, get butt off the couch - there are more tangible *ass*ets offline, than online.
8. Life has it's own rules and they aren't yours - better to go with the flow than against it.
9. Your greatest enemies are your own expectations.

and finally.....

10. There is no 'softer, easier way' when it comes to relationships.

[Steamer]

1. Permanent relationships of any kind are very very rare and against natural instincts.

There's no way to prove this until one of you are dead.

[dogspot]

Hate to disagree with y'all, but when I was in the US, at 20 years old there were quite a few ladies I was interested in and married one of them.

Yeah, but you were 20. There is a HUGE difference in the pool of women at 40 then at 20.

[Eduard]

Yeah, but you were 20. There is a HUGE difference in the pool of women at 40 then at 20.

you took the words right out of my mouth )

[Lily]

Quote from: erudite on September 14, 2010, 10:49:01 PM
In America a good woman is hard (if not nigh impossible) to find.  In FSU a good man for such a woman is hard to find.  Makes for a great win win situation.

Depending on your criteria of 'good' then yes I agree about difficulty in America.

But I still find it somewhat hard to believe the situation that Lily and other women claim with respect to finding a good man in FSU.

I didn't really type any of the above.

Yes, it sounds good to hear such words from the women . . .  but is it all just to make us feel good about being an AM?

 

As for a Russian person, this is obvious for me. I have been thinking for a while about why it is not easy to find a good man in the FSU, what would be the reasons for that. Still I wasn't able to figure out a clear answer. However, my mind goes the following way:

Do you know that life in the FSU is generally hard? By 'hard' I mean that simple life things which may go according to the rules in the West, or even be taken for granted, would be hard to get in the FSU.

Men in the FSU get the hardest part. Let's take for example, the business part of life. My assumption would be that for a man's happiness, his business would be most important. Self-employed businessman or professional employee. The basic life rules seem to be known in the West. In order to get there, you should go that way; in case you have a business plan, you could go this way, talk to the advisers, get a bank loan, in case you experience problems, you can get assistance there, etc., etc. In the West, everyone plays by rules.  Know the rules, obey them, respect others. Not just business is meant, by the way.

This is not the picture in the FSU. Lack of transparency in the society, too much uncontrolled powers to administrative officers which gives raise to all kinds of mafia where they see lucrative business. Men who are more or less ambitious, who want to provide for themselves and their families, get first under this hammer of lies and corruption, if they want to achieve something. Russia just kills them, even physically, quickly or slowly. Some men have no more desire to survive, and go to the social bottom.

I've never seen more dull and grumpy faces than in Russia. Their best intentions get buried. Hence, some men develop a mentality of hopelessness, which does not add any attractiveness to a person. Desperation, on its turn, makes people almost physically sick. No wonder about low life expectancy, alcoholism,

In other words, Russia beats life out of their men. Women seem to be less subject to this, because, first, they tend not to be as ambitious, generally, and second, females seem to have more naturally surviving resources, as they are supposed to give another life. But nature apparently created men as sort of 'biologically consumables', bearing in mind that men can successfully participate in reproduction during their short but intensive life. During all social cataclysms, who dies first, on the wars or somewhere else? Men. Who are most eager challengers? Men. Now see why Russia is not a good place especially for the men to live?

[Eduard]

so true, Lily.....sad, but so true