Why are y'all really looking for RW?

[GQBlues]

Is it enough of an imbalance for US Joe Loser or Gramps Time to walk down the street in Russia and have women flock to them? Hell no, and I think most Americans looking for Russian brides will fail.

OK. Since we just came full circle, once again, old farts will be old farts regardless of any escalating numbers of US Barbies. You will only get more of them telling the Joe Losers to go shop Walmart. Heck, now you're even saying chances are good they ain't gettin' it Russia either...

But, it's enough of an imbalance for normal non loser guys that I work with to be able to juggle two hot girlfriends or a hot girlfriend and a wife and it does make it easier for a decent guy to line up dates in Russia.

But we were never talking about *normal non-loser guys*, were we? We were talking about men who hangs out looking for dates in places like Walmart then complains about the quality of people in it; or those who only date or can only date fat chicks then complains about, well, fat chicks. LOL.

US *normal non loser guys* will likely do just fine dating Barbies here at home and will likely not complain about fat chicks because they never have to deal with them let alone date 'em.

I have to disagree with you GQ. RW have plenty of choices as far as persuing their career/education, spending leisure time, travelling, hobbies and interests. As a matter of fact IMO they may even have more choices available to them than AW, or maybe they just take advantage of those choices more than AW do. My feeling is that some of the women like to keep themselves extremely occupied BECAUSE of lack of available men who are WORTHY of their standarts.

LOL. That's fine. I have no problem agreeing to disagree with you about this very subject. Matter of fact I welcome it because you'll never convince me otherwise.

As for RWs in Russia having life choices, I can easily understand that RWs today have far more life choices that the RWs of the 90s. As a matter of fact, it is no coincidence that that's likely the reason why the MOBs had been nose diving every year since. RWs today definitely have far more choices in country than they ever have. Just like AWs always had.

Now do you agree there's a direct correlation to this at all?

I recently saw an ad on mamba by a young woman who stated: "it's bad enough that there are 9 men for every 10 women here, but on top of that, these 9 men have to be complete idiots". This happens to be a pretty common experience expressed by RW that I talk to.

Eduard let me first tell you this...I am not that gullible. That pitch may sell well with your clients, but not with me. Deal?

Surely there are good, attractive and worthy Russian men, but  as most good attractive and worthy AW - they are taken.

LOL. "Most good and attractive AWs are taken?" Were you running into a lot of AWs telling you that before? Did you hear that often? LOL. Gimme a break, will you? You're too funny!

And RW are very protective of their man and do their best to keep him veeeery happy. And If she doesn't there is 50 other RW just around the corner who will be more than happy to accommodate him.
And by the way, before you yell "agency hype!" just talk to some RW, or men like Chivo who live in Russia and ask them. Even a very average guy who doesn't abuse substances and his woman would have a very difficult time to stay SINGLE over there

LOL. Eduard, why don't you tell that to that guy you had on your video. Ask him just how protective that one RW you told us dated him and almost filed a K-1 for until Mr BBD came along? Heck, there's one segment on one of your video where you had that hook, line, and sinker hard on that guy, dude. You really set that hook tight, man. Especially when he uttered how impress he was about his chosen RW's honesty, saying in between ::::burping:::: how he agrees with you that she's so  #!#&# true, man! So true....

LOL, I almost doubled over dude!

Is that your definition of "RW are very protective of their man and do the best to keep him veeeery happy!"? LOL. Would you like to convince him of that again today?

How much did you charge him for that experience/trip? I sure hope it was a freebie, dude.

Eduard, who the heck do you think RMs in Russia are cheating their wives/GFs with- the neighbor's dogs?

Look, if nothing else, you have a good sense of humor, man. Funny that....

[Jooky]

OK. Since we just came full circle, once again, old farts will be old farts regardless of any escalating numbers of US Barbies.

In your hypothetical situation, if all women were Barbies and they could only choose from the sole remaining dumpy loser, they would all remain celibate (or lezz out). I disagree with that.

The reality of what happens was documented here:



when Abbott and Costello went to Venus.

[Eduard]

GQ, what you see as a "pitch" - just ain't one. I just quoted the RW ad that I saw, nothing more, nothing less. This just shows a RW's perception of how things are on the dating scene over there. Any one who lives or spends considerable amount of time in Russia knows this.
As far as the guy on the video, sure he did make that statement after one or two dates with her. Takes a bit more time to really get to know a person, wouldn't you agree? And we did find her out BEFORE he filed for K-1, didn't we? And by the way, after taking a break from this whole RW thing, he is now working with me again...

[veritas]

Boy, this thread has really gotten to be interesting!     Do ya still think it was a "pretty silly question", GQ?  

[Misha]

In your hypothetical situation, if all women were Barbies and they could only choose from the sole remaining dumpy loser, they would all remain celibate (or lezz out). I disagree with that.

So do I. If you spend time in Russia, you will quickly see less than attractive and less than successful men with women that are much more attractive then them. Celibacy is nice and all, but generally a heterosexual woman (or man) who hasn't had any attention from a member of the opposite sex will generally be starving for attention after some months/years and will eventually will appreciate anybody noticing them, even if they don't quite measure up to their ideal  Somebody who is starving won't turn down a Big Mac because they want a filet mignon steak, but the person who is satiated will 

[Lily]

I have to disagree with you GQ. RW have plenty of choices as far as persuing their career/education, spending leisure time, travelling, hobbies and interests. As a matter of fact IMO they may even have more choices available to them than AW, or maybe they just take advantage of those choices more than AW do. My feeling is that some of the women like to keep themselves extremely occupied BECAUSE of lack of available men who are WORTHY of their standarts.

I recently saw an ad on mamba by a young woman who stated: "it's bad enough that there are 9 men for every 10 women here, but on top of that, these 9 men have to be complete idiots". This happens to be a pretty common experience expressed by RW that I talk to. Surely there are good, attractive and worthy Russian men, but  as most good attractive and worthy AW - they are taken. And RW are very protective of their man and do their best to keep him veeeery happy. And If she doesn't there is 50 other RW just around the corner who will be more than happy to accommodate him.
And by the way, before you yell "agency hype!" just talk to some RW, or men like Chivo who live in Russia and ask them. Even a very average guy who doesn't abuse substances and his woman would have a very difficult time to stay SINGLE over there.

I am with GQ here.

Completely agree that one big difference between RW and AW is that the latter have plenty life choices other than finding a man for themselves. It may appear that we in Moscow also have choices of careers, hobbies and interests, but it is only superficially.

Our careers can easily be ruined, and we could not even resort to social assistance.
Travelling? You know what a lot of hassle did I experienced when applying for Dutch visa to spend my vacations?
Buying and registering a car? You have to save for a decade even on proper nutrition for yourself, plus spend your regular vacation in local police department in order to register your car and to get your plates.
Starting a business? Nightmare because of endless corruption on all municipal levels.
Moving to another city to improve your job options? You are helpless in front of landlord who makes a live auction from eager tenants prospects  :evil:
Lost your home? Ever seen a shelter in Russia?

Do I need to continue about what life options women have in Russia?  

Russia is a country where a strong survives, and a weaker dies. Enough said. The best thing that a Russian person can do with her life is to immigrate. Was it not your choice Ed? so why we women should be different from you?

In Russia, the only place where a woman can resort in case things in life go south, is her family. In most of cases, she would resort to her man. This would be one of the reasons why a RW believe that finding a protective man is her best and most secure life choice. AW simply does not need that. She looks for the man because she wants and loves a particular man, and not because she relies on him in case she gets problems. This would be the difference, and I am fully agree with GQ who puts it really good!

[ECOCKS]

Do I need to continue about what life options women have in Russia?  

Russia is a country where a strong survives, and a weaker dies. Enough said. The best thing that a Russian person can do with her life is to immigrate. Was it not your choice Ed? so why we women should be different from you?

In Russia, the only place where a woman can resort in case things in life go south, is her family. In most of cases, she would resort to her man. This would be one of the reasons why a RW believe that finding a protective man is her best and most secure life choice. AW simply does not need that. She looks for the man because she wants and loves a particular man, and not because she relies on him in case she gets problems. This would be the difference, and I am fully agree with GQ who puts it really good!

Thank you for that assessment and analysis Lily.

[veritas]

If you spend time in Russia, you will quickly see less than attractive and less than successful men with women that are much more attractive then them. Celibacy is nice and all, but generally a heterosexual woman (or man) who hasn't had any attention from a member of the opposite sex will generally be starving for attention after some months/years and will eventually will appreciate anybody noticing them, even if they don't quite measure up to their ideal  

Oh, right, Misha ... I'm sure there are just tons of attractive RW who have been celibate for "months/years" ...

Kevin

[facetrock]

  You might be surpised Kevin

[Eduard]

Lily, yes I made the choice to immigrate to the USA but it was at a different time and from a different place - the Soviet Union, during Brezhnev time. How can you honestly compare??? I personally just prefer living in a small town on the water, where it's summer all year around, the air is clean and people are friendly and polite to each other. If I wanted to live in a large city, nowdays if I had to choose between New York and Moscow I really don't know what I'd choose.
My cousin from Moscow actually married a RM who lived in in NY and was a US citizen. That marriage didn't survive but she could have easily stayed in the US, yet she decided to move back to Moscow.
Lily, I respect your desire to move to the West because this is what you want. But I do talk to too many RW to know that most of them don't feel this way.
If you and GQ both feel like I'm making "a pitch" please explain to me the logic of such "a pitch". If I wanted to sell men on the idea of marrying a RW I'd be saying exactly what you are saying - that they want to "get out". And this is not the case on both.

As far as choices and opportunities for women in Russia, all the difficulties, trials and tribulations you are describing, they can be applied to AW as well. Do you think that all AW travel to Europe or Turkey every year? Do you think that they can't get fired or have set backs in their career? many AW deal exactly with the same issues that RW are dealing with and many of them, just like women in Russia, are looking for a man who can "solve their problems" and not love. The difference is the ratio of "worthy, quality" men to women in both countries IMHO. And not much else nowdays.
Sure I agree with you about the corruption issue. But when you are born and raised in that environment it's a norm and most people know how to deal with it in the FSU. Corruption exists here, in the US as well. Look at the economic state the US is in right now! How do you think we got here? CORRUPTION! Politicians bought and put into place by special interest groups or individuals with political agenda and ambitions (Soros - Obama is a good example of that).

[Eduard]

Oh, right, Misha ... I'm sure there are just tons of attractive RW who have been celibate for "months/years" ...

Kevin

you might be very surprised...Kevin. Many single women, who can't go for too long without a man do wind up seeing married men for the lack of better alternatives.

[Handycam72]

Russia is a country where a strong survives, and a weaker dies.

Could this not be said about any society, in any country?
Only the strong survive.

To use the Darwin/Spencer phrase Survival of the Fittest .

"The idea that species adapt and change by natural selection with the best suited mutations becoming dominant."

or another meaning being:
"the most highly trained and physically energetic. The 'fittest' referred to here are those animals which are the most suited to their environment, i.e. those which are best fitted to survive."

Nature itself shows the weak will die and only the strong continue.

[veritas]

You might be surpised Kevin

you might be very surprised...Kevin

Yes, I'd be extremely surprised to learn that there are lots of attractive RW in my situation ...

Kevin

[JR]

I am with GQ here.

Completely agree that one big difference between RW and AW is that the latter have plenty life choices other than finding a man for themselves. It may appear that we in Moscow also have choices of careers, hobbies and interests, but it is only superficially.

Our careers can easily be ruined, and we could not even resort to social assistance.
Travelling? You know what a lot of hassle did I experienced when applying for Dutch visa to spend my vacations?
Buying and registering a car? You have to save for a decade even on proper nutrition for yourself, plus spend your regular vacation in local police department in order to register your car and to get your plates.
Starting a business? Nightmare because of endless corruption on all municipal levels.
Moving to another city to improve your job options? You are helpless in front of landlord who makes a live auction from eager tenants prospects  :evil:
Lost your home? Ever seen a shelter in Russia?

Do I need to continue about what life options women have in Russia?  

Russia is a country where a strong survives, and a weaker dies. Enough said. The best thing that a Russian person can do with her life is to immigrate. Was it not your choice Ed? so why we women should be different from you?

In Russia, the only place where a woman can resort in case things in life go south, is her family. In most of cases, she would resort to her man. This would be one of the reasons why a RW believe that finding a protective man is her best and most secure life choice. AW simply does not need that. She looks for the man because she wants and loves a particular man, and not because she relies on him in case she gets problems. This would be the difference, and I am fully agree with GQ who puts it really good!

I've got my popcorn, vitamin water and easy chair, just waitin for all the "experts" to corrcect Lily))))  Something tells me all I'm gonna see is a lot of rats scurrying for their holes......U GO GIRL!!!

[ECOCKS]

Could this not be said about any society, in any country?
Only the strong survive.

Fair to say that in some countries, societies and families, the ability of the weak to survive is propped up by various tools available. Whether it is welfare, lower expectations or over-indulgent parents, countries are different and I would have to agree that the FSU is more brutal than most of the west in winnowing these people out of the mix. We can "survive" without actually being dirt poor and suffering undue hardship by their standards.

[JR]

Could this not be said about any society, in any country?
Only the strong survive.

To use the Darwin/Spencer phrase Survival of the Fittest .

"The idea that species adapt and change by natural selection with the best suited mutations becoming dominant."

or another meaning being:
"the most highly trained and physically energetic. The 'fittest' referred to here are those animals which are the most suited to their environment, i.e. those which are best fitted to survive."

Nature itself shows the weak will die and only the strong continue.

Well I'll be......it took all of three seconds for a rat to bite)))

Handy you're dealing with Lily's post completely out of context, shame on you.

[Eduard]

I've got my popcorn, vitamin water and easy chair, just waitin for all the "experts" to corrcect Lily))))  Something tells me all I'm gonna see is a lot of rats scurrying for their holes......U GO GIRL!!!

Allright JR, how is this?
ALL AW got it made! Great rewarding jobs with no possibility of getting fired. AW take several trips to Europe and to the Carribean Islands every year. They all have many hobbies and interests (I'll let you fill this one out, JR). They have no insecurities or self esteem problems.

ALL RW have terrible jobs that they hate and can not expect any career growth there. They don't get ANY vacation time ever and can only go somewhere if a man is taking them. They have No interests or hobbies what so ever, and the only interest in life that they have is to find a WM who would take them away from that terrible, uninteresting, pathetic life.

OK, is this better? is this what you'd like to hear? Not the reality that I know, but if this makes you feel better, enjoy! 

[Handycam72]

Well I'll be......it took all of three seconds for a rat to bite)))

Handy you're dealing with Lily's post completely out of context, shame on you.

I'll get my coat  

 

[Handycam72]

Fair to say that in some countries, societies and families, the ability of the weak to survive is propped up by various tools available. Whether it is welfare, lower expectations or over-indulgent parents, countries are different and I would have to agree that the FSU is more brutal than most of the west in winnowing these people out of the mix. We can "survive" without actually being dirt poor and suffering undue hardship by their standards.

People adjust to their surroundings in order to survive, do they not?

So would you say in America or the West that no-one is dirt poor or suffers undue hardship on a level that is comparable to Russia?

Is the Grass Always Greener?

[kievstar]

Russia must be a harder life than Ukraine based on what Lilly writes.  Glad my wife is not from there.  

I have lived in several countries and life in Ukraine for women far Superior than Brazil, India, and China (I have lived in all 4 countries).  A smart or good looking woman can have a very good and easy life in Ukraine.  This is not the case in Brazil, China, and India.  Smart or good looking is the issue for many Ukraine women as they lack it.

Also majority of women in Ukraine are not good looking once they hit 40 years old so the RM do not have a lot of options on beauty as well.  

I will say if your stupid and ugly in Ukraine you will more than likely be close to dead.  Stupid in USA and you can have a good life.  

[veritas]

Smart or good looking is the issue for many Ukraine women as they lack it.

Also majority of women in Ukraine are not good looking once they hit 40 years old

I will say if your stupid and ugly in Ukraine you will more than likely be close to dead.

[Misha]

Oh, right, Misha ... I'm sure there are just tons of attractive RW who have been celibate for "months/years" ...

Kevin

Said with great certainty by the man who has never actually been to Russia or the FSU, has never actually met any real RW, and didn't even know what borscht was  :selfharm:

[GQBlues]

In your hypothetical situation, if all women were Barbies and they could only choose from the sole remaining dumpy loser, they would all remain celibate (or lezz out). I disagree with that.

Danger, danger! Out of context Mr. Robinson! Danger, Danger!!

Not quite. The original implication was the comparative notion in saying just like in Russia. If AWs were as fit as RWs in Russia are, then there's no reason for Joe Loser to go look for a wife in Russia. I punked the silly idea out, and will continue to do so...

If Joe Loser from Bumphocked, Alabama moved to the beaches of SoCal, I guarantee you the number of barbies he'll be surrounded wth is likely in the 100/1,000 fold compared to what he had working for him in picturesque, 'Bama. He may strut the sands between his toes and try playing with the Malibu Barbies - but guess what, he'll find out he's as much Joe Loser in SoCal as he was in Bumphocked, Alabama.

Only this time, he's got MORE Barbies telling him to shop Walmart. That was the point.

Jooky, I know you're not a loser, but comparing the beaches of South Bay to where you are in NoCal, trust me when I say the difference in the number of PYT is not even close. But I will also tell you this, if YOU don't have the game to play in this sandbox - LA can be the biggest, loneliest sandbox anywhere around. I will arguably tell you by region, from Sta Barbara to San Diego, compared to Russia's St. Pete to Sochi; there's just as many Barbies here then there. BUT, folks have a much better chance in Russia for the simple reason that the dynamics for these respective women's lives are vastly different.

You can argue that point as much as you want but that's the reason why you, and some other folks like you, would habitually and/or repeatedly hit a country halfway around the world than drive down 400 miles south. It isn't the number of Barbies, it's the respective overall life dynamics that makes the dating game relatively easier.

Somebody who is starving won't turn down a Big Mac because they want a filet mignon steak, but the person who is satiated will

Wrong.

That may well be true for most FSUWs in FSU, but it ain't so for AWs. That's what the entire premise of my point. AWs doesn't live only in the dynamic of Filet Mignon and BigMac. Their choice range, includes but never limited to, Prime Rib, T-Bone, Tenderloin, Rib Eye, etc...and beyond steaks, they are also complimented with Sushi, Chicken Fajitas, Honey Walnut Shrimp, Portabella Mushroom Ravioli, etc...but if they find themselves craving for some serious fastfood whackeries...they have the following options of Del Tacos, Chili Cheese Dogs, Sourdough Jack, KFC, Campos, IN-N-Out, etc...in addition to BigMacs.

Is that picture a bit more clearer now?

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Eduard, I'm not bagging on you, man. I'm sure you're a cool dude. But you need to seriously look over your platform. Lose the phocking videos, man. It bodes so lowly of you, the women, and YOUR clients. That approach have very little difference on context with an escort service or DoctorLove's.

You're simply marketing meat, dude. That's all you're doing. That's all those videos were and are. There's absolutely NOTHING remotely redeeming about any of it's contents and it is blatantly reflective of you - your clients who bought into these videos, and MOST importantly, the women you are directly selling out on on the pretext you're only in it 'to help people out!

It's too seedy, man. It's like selling folks heroin on the basis you only want to make them feel good. It's offensive and very disrespectful to Russian women, to the men married to RWs, and to Russia as a whole.

Lastly, if you do come to your senses and make new videos - chose a guy who won't suck on his teeth during a meal, slobber over uncomfortable captive women, and one who won't burp on camera without blinking an eye.

[Misha]

That may well be true for most FSUWs in FSU, but it ain't so for AWs. That's what the entire premise of my point. AWs doesn't live only in the dynamic of Filet Mignon and BigMac. Their choice range, includes but never limited to, Prime Rib, T-Bone, Tenderloin, Rib Eye, etc...and beyond steaks, they are also complimented with Sushi, Chicken Fajitas, Honey Walnut Shrimp, Portabella Mushroom Ravioli, etc...but if they find themselves craving for some serious fastfood whackeries...they have the following options of Del Tacos, Chili Cheese Dogs, Sourdough Jack, KFC, Campos, IN-N-Out, etc...in addition to BigMacs.

Is that picture a bit more clearer now?

And, I agree. AW (and Canadian women) have much more choice. That is why a woman in her mid-twenties in Canada won't be in a rush to get married. Generally, the women who have dreamed of marriage have already found someone by this age and the others will be happy sampling the buffet table of men for years to come. Not quite the case in Russia.... That is why dating for average men is so much easier in Russia. You don't have to be an Adonis, you don't have to be the lady-killer, you just have to be decent, with a respectable job and not too much of an alcoholic.... That will already open many doors with many women in Russia, something that is not the case in North America. If American women had the choices that Russian women had, something tells me they would not be as picky. even in Southern California  :evil:

[Eduard]

I just thought of something - I have met a coujple of AW that absolutely hated ecerything about the USA, they actually talked about how any country in the world would be better. Funny thing was that when I asked them if they had ever travelled to any country outside the USA they said "NO"!  
The point is that a person can be happy or unhappy living in any country even when they are not rich and powerful. If they have a good family and friends (support system), variety of interests and a rewarding job chances are they would say that they are happy with their life and would not want to move to some other country just because the grass seems to be greener there. And if they have a nice romantic life/good marriage there is even less chances of that.