Men who search in FSU, Find RWD, K Visa Stats

[Faux Pas]

40? Where did I say forty? You are attributing to me that which I have not written. My view is in left field? Stats? Stats are for whimps and cowards.....Perhaps it is my experiences which lead me to such beliefs. At any rate I stand by my belief that most men in this endeavor or not here because they are successful hometown daters and that they end up chasing younger, prettier women than they'd dare back home.

Are you drawing from your own personal experience?

JR if you use RWD as a sample of men that go to the FSU for women you'll find a very wide, broad cross section assembly of different men for different reasons. On one end of the spectrum are some seriously total losers, on the other end are some that can and do date any woman they choose. In between is everyone else with a wide array of reasons why they look to the FSU.

Your belief is BS, IMO

[veritas]

Are you drawing from your own personal experience?

JR if you use RWD as a sample of men that go to the FSU for women you'll find a very wide, broad cross section assembly of different men for different reasons. On one end of the spectrum are some seriously total losers, on the other end are some that can and do date any woman they choose. In between is everyone else with a wide array of reasons why they look to the FSU.

Your belief is BS, IMO

But I'm not a'tall sure that RWD is a broad cross-section of the kind of guys that go to the FSU for women,
by the very fact of their having found RWD in the first place, which -- as JR pointed out -- most men don't ...

I keep coming across many party girls wanting to booze or slutting around

Where do you live??   

Kevin

[Ade]

But I'm not a'tall sure that RWD is a broad cross-section of the kind of guys that go to the FSU for women,
by the very fact of their having found RWD in the first place, which -- as JR pointed out -- most men don't ...

Kevin

Aren't the majority of men that go to the FSU looking for women, the kind of guys that go on the meat-market-type tours? What's the average guy like on them? From what I've seen on the net and TV, they aren't exactly what I'd call the best examples of the male gender...

[facetrock]

  I would bet there are more men than you think that go to the FSU looking for women who stumble across this site. Most will not register and just read. I meet a guy like that in my city about eight months ago. He did alot of reading and the fantasys the agencys promote were destroyed in one night of reading here. He did go to the FSU. Dont know how it went for him, havent seen him in awhile.

[Faux Pas]

Aren't the majority of men that go to the FSU looking for women, the kind of guys that go on the meat-market-type tours? What's the average guy like on them? From what I've seen on the net and TV, they aren't exactly what I'd call the best examples of the male gender...

My guess (only a guess) that would be a very small segment of the men. IMO, these are the guys that require help in meeting women anywhere. Certainly not all of them but the biggest number of them "need" the fish in a barrel approach. I wouldn't consider these the total losers I referred to earlier but, I do suspect this is where one might find the biggest number of social lepers.

  I would bet there are more men than you think that go to the FSU looking for women who stumble across this site. Most will not register and just read. I meet a guy like that in my city about eight months ago. He did alot of reading and the fantasys the agencys promote were destroyed in one night of reading here. He did go to the FSU. Dont know how it went for him, havent seen him in awhile.

I would agree with this and very likely most men who go looking never find this site or even look for it. I read somewhere there were 50K K-1s from the FSU per year? They certainly ain't here or are not posters

[veritas]

I would agree with this and very likely most men who go looking never find this site or even look for it. I read somewhere there were 50K K-1s from the FSU per year? They certainly ain't here or are not posters

But isn't facetrock saying that "more men than you think" find RWD?  Sounds like you don't really agree with that ...

Kevin

P.S.  It's still well before dawn here in Orlando and in the rest of the U.S. -- lively bunch this morning!  

[Faux Pas]

But isn't facetrock saying that "more men than you think" find RWD?  Sounds like you don't really agree with that ...

Kevin

His statement and mine are not mutually exclusive. You can check out the stats on the front page. At any given time there are 3 times or more visitors at RWD than members. 50,000 K-1s per year from the FSU, thats the US alone. If that is 50% of the men (which would be 1 of 2) that makes at any given time 100,000 in pursuit from the US alone. Do you see 100,000 members posting here?

[veritas]

His statement and mine are not mutually exclusive. You can check out the stats on the front page. At any given time there are 3 times or more visitors at RWD than members. 50,000 K-1s per year from the FSU, thats the US alone. If that is 50% of the men (which would be 1 of 2) that makes at any given time 100,000 in pursuit from the US alone. Do you see 100,000 members posting here?

No, and that's why I'm with the group that says that relatively few guys going to the FSU find RWD -- in time ...

Kevin

[BC]

IIRC there are something like 5K FSU K visa's not 50 K.. but don't ask me where..  5K seems a reasonable figure, 50K way overboard.

Found something here:  http://www.travel.state.gov/pdf/MultiYearTableXVI.pdf

High 2007 50K Worldwide, 2008 45K, 2009 40K...

10% from FSU and most of the rest from farther east and South America/Mexico is probably about right.

[facetrock]

  I have been trying to find the same information BC. I know its not close to 50k and 5k sounds more resonable. I think the country with the most K1s is the Philippines followed by China. It would be interesting to know how many of those five thousand K1s are from men that initially set out to find a wife in the FSU. I would bet too that its not as many as you think. Many people just happen to meet while traveling or through work.

[BC]

The VAST majority of men seeking an FSU bride will never find this forum.

I think most serious men WILL find this or similar fora..  After all who doesn't know Google nowdays?

[veritas]

I think most serious men WILL find this or similar fora..  After all who doesn't know Google nowdays?

But who knows that they should be Googling about all this in the first place?  I didn't, and I'm far from being a sucker ...

Kevin

[Jooky]

50,000 K-1s per year from the FSU

Prepare to be surprised.

The real numbers are here:
http://travel.state.gov/visa/statistics/nivstats/nivstats_4582.html

K-1 2009
Russia 775
Ukraine 689

And don't forget, these include men.

Contrast that with B1/2 visas (temporary business / tourist)
Russia 106,214
Ukraine 20,924

Edited to add:
K-1 2009
Great Britain and Northern Ireland 771   

But our biggest import is this.
Phillipines 5445

[facetrock]

 I would have guessed a higher number than that. So, with those kind of numbers I would say alot of those men have been to this forum or one like it.

[facetrock]

  Whats interesting about the K-1s is if you look back to 2002 you see that almost 50% of the applicants were rejected.. Now its just a fraction of that. Had to be a policy change somewhere in the past.

[Faux Pas]

50k was the number I had previously read and it was a number from USIS. I never read how many were from FSU. I'm not sure they keep a number like that but, when I read that number it had a break down by country. Most were South American and Asian.

However, I was using that number just to illustrate a point. The 100 active posters on RWD would be a very minute' representation of men currently searching in the FSU

[facetrock]

I agree Faux the number of posters is small compared to the ones that travel. But the amount of "guests" here is hard to track. Who are they, have they traveled to the FSU is something we could never know. I dont know if Dan can tell how many of the guests are the same ones over and over.

[Faux Pas]

I agree Faux the number of posters is small compared to the ones that travel. But the amount of "guests" here is hard to track. Who are they, have they traveled to the FSU is something we could never know. I dont know if Dan can tell how many of the guests are the same ones over and over.

I really have no idea but, I feel confident Dan could discern how many are unique returning visitors. I met a guy that lives close to me. He traveled 6-8 times and married a Ukrainian women. Nice couple that has been married 5 years and expecting their first baby. He told me he read some on a Yahoo board but never posted. I asked him about RWD and he had never heard of it. I was a bit shocked but when you think about it, understandable. Smart guy, runs a business, just wasn't interested in information other than travel info

[GQBlues]

A large chunk of those K-visas applied for and approved each year from corresponding nations are made by peoples of the same nationalities. A lot of Russian men living in the US that will never post in a site like RWD do in fact petition and marry Russian women just like any other American. Hence, sites like Mamba/Love.Mail/Rambler were created and became popular in the first place. This is also true for Filipino men petitioning Filipina women, etc...

[Eduard]

I agree Faux the number of posters is small compared to the ones that travel. But the amount of "guests" here is hard to track. Who are they, have they traveled to the FSU is something we could never know. I dont know if Dan can tell how many of the guests are the same ones over and over.

he sure can since the SMF (Simple Machines Forum) allows the admin to see IPs of all visitors and track where the IP is from.

[ECOCKS]

My estimation is that thousands travel each year. You can make some very rough guesstimates by considering people like Jack, AFA and others who bring in small groups or the folks you run into on the plane. Those there are always able to enjoy a game of picking out the wife-hunters along Kreshatyk and in O'Brien's, Golden Gate and Friday's during the summer season. Horrible analogy but, like roaches, if you see 3 or 4 sitting at O'Brien's then there are probably a hundred or so in the city whose "GF's" have them at the Radison or Hyatt doing the breakfast buffet for $70 or so. Even in winter you find a few pursuing their own process. Then remember there are other cities with traffic (particularly Odessa) and factor in Russia and Belarus plus a trickle into Kazahk, Georgia, Moldova and places like that. Over the years no one ever mentioned RWD or RUA as a source of info.

Then there are the ones still working themselves up to it. Paying agencies to pretend the fantasy is real or spending their nights hunched over the keyboard surfing Elena's, Anastasia's or Mamba in hopes of seeing their angel or future "good lady" wearing a mink and a birthday bow.

There seem to be maybe 2-3 dozen or so who post here with any frequency. Granted, many come here and read a bit then move on if their dream is threatened or even lurk in the background hoping for tidbits of useful information to assist them in their pursuit. However, the number of virtual drive-bys is thrown off by those who see this as a link on searches for odds and ends like FSU news topics, recipes, hotel information and similar topics.

The number here is biased in that they are probably at least more persistent and [maybe] slightly more serious in their search. It's pretty sure that they are more enthusiastic. Of course some of the married guys who stay around are not even in the search and looking over the member list even shows a few who are no longer married or searching. Quite a few tone down after divorce and it looks like about half fold their tents and shut down probably due to the pain, embarrassment and shifting of their priorities after their divorces.

Interestingly, I have met 6-7 Ukrainian K1 folks locally. Even an area like Boise has a number of second generation families who are still marrying off cousins and family members. None of them seem remotely interested in the experiences of WASP's looking for FSUW except with regard to sizing you up quickly as to whether you fit the stereotype of loser looking for a hottie princess to bring back home.

So, I wouldn't take this group as representative of numbers, temperament or situation.

[kievstar]

Need to include K-3. I run into a lot more men marrying on K-3 than K-1 and my immigration attorneys say the same thing. 

They also say the information the USA government posts is wrong.  Be careful on taking numbers unless there certified by an independent audit firm from the government. 

[GQBlues]

  Whats interesting about the K-1s is if you look back to 2002 you see that almost 50% of the applicants were rejected.. Now its just a fraction of that. Had to be a policy change somewhere in the past.

If I have to guess, likely the cause is post-9/11 haste. The turn-over from INS to DHS prompted halting much of the processing of immigration/non-immigration applications.

[Steamer]

 Whats interesting about the K-1s is if you look back to 2002 you see that almost 50% of the applicants were rejected.. Now its just a fraction of that. Had to be a policy change somewhere in the past.

The vast majority of K-1 rejections are for clerical reasons; ie: screwing up the forms, lack of documents and other errors. They are counted as rejections but all that needs to be done is correct the errors and resubmit the app.

[BC]

The vast majority of K-1 rejections are for clerical reasons; ie: screwing up the forms, lack of documentsand other errors. They are counted as rejections but all that needs to be done is correct the errors and resubmit the app.

Looking at the attached, seems you are quite right.. very few in the end really refused - only 114 refused if I'm reading the table right.

Also discounting for K2's, actual K1's well under 40.000 last FY year worldwide.  I do see a decline in the tables mentioned upthread.. wonder if it's mostly attributed to IMBRA or plain and simple economics.. - Are foreign wives a 'because I can' luxury article?  LOL