Men who search in FSU, Find RWD, K Visa Stats

[ML]

It is my original observations and analysis. Not sure whether I have heard this point from someone else.

Thanks Lily, for taking the time to more fully develop and present your ideas.

[JR]

Are you drawing from your own personal experience?

JR if you use RWD as a sample of men that go to the FSU for women you'll find a very wide, broad cross section assembly of different men for different reasons. On one end of the spectrum are some seriously total losers, on the other end are some that can and do date any woman they choose. In between is everyone else with a wide array of reasons why they look to the FSU.

Your belief is BS, IMO

FP your reading skills are deficient. I did not use RWD as my sampling pool. In my post I specifically excepted the people who "post" here. If people post/lurk here long enough the usually have the blinders taken off.

I am referring to the ones who fall for the agency hype. I am referring to the ones I've met, as far back as 1991 on planes, at airports, restaurants, etc. that profess/brag about the three reasons I listed as their own primary driving force. I'm referring to three men at work I personally know who married FSUW and are total losers in the home town dating game. And lastly I am referring to myself because those three reasons were a part of the mixture (along with many other, mostly unhealthy reasons) of the collage of justifications I used to convince myself that what I was doing was a good and noble idea.

[Jooky]

Need to include K-3. I run into a lot more men marrying on K-3 than K-1 and my immigration attorneys say the same thing. 

The statistics show a lot less K-3s than K-1s. I'm not sure why you think they're not accurate. For Russia I'd say they are. They fit with what my friends have told me (who worked at the US Embassy in Moscow processing K visas).

[kievstar]

Because I have done work for the USA government in the past during political election years and stats are always wrong.  Also several of the big law firms who handle immigration for K-1 and K-3 visas will tell you that as well.

Ever notice the government will list an unemployment report and the next day make a correction and the next month another correction to that report.  Very little of the data is accurate. 

Kind of like the USA census.  I was counted three times and they counted my wife 3 times.  I had to make a special call to correct it and they still questioned me why I had 3 houses but no children.  States want the headcount for money allocations.  They do not check people to social security numbers that is an urban legend. 

I used to audit the UofM monthly business reports that Wall Street relies on back in the 1990's.  UofM stopped the audit service as none of there reports were statistical accurate and they did not want to lose the prestige of making this reports.  Wall Street requires no certification of the data.  Its never accurate and depends on who is giving the most money to the university of Michigan. 

[BC]

Unless someone else comes up with more accurate figures, sorta have to go on the best you do have.  Yes there will be error but I doubt that awful much.

[GQBlues]

How can something be 'wrong' if no one knows what's right?

[Faux Pas]

FP your reading skills are deficient. I did not use RWD as my sampling pool. In my post I specifically excepted the people who "post" here. If people post/lurk here long enough the usually have the blinders taken off.

I am referring to the ones who fall for the agency hype. I am referring to the ones I've met, as far back as 1991 on planes, at airports, restaurants, etc. that profess/brag about the three reasons I listed as their own primary driving force. I'm referring to three men at work I personally know who married FSUW and are total losers in the home town dating game. And lastly I am referring to myself because those three reasons were a part of the mixture (along with many other, mostly unhealthy reasons) of the collage of justifications I used to convince myself that what I was doing was a good and noble idea.

40? Where did I say forty? You are attributing to me that which I have not written. My view is in left field? Stats? Stats are for whimps and cowards.....Perhaps it is my experiences which lead me to such beliefs. At any rate I stand by my belief that most men in this endeavor or not here because they are successful hometown daters and that they end up chasing younger, prettier women than they'd dare back home.

Apparently if there is reading and/or a mind deficiency here, it would be yours. I didn't say your sample size was RWD, I said "if".  I asked if you were drawing from personal experience. If you wish to continue down that slippery slope then go ahead but, the people you've met on trips, airports and the 3 other losers where you work is hardly a sample size of anything.  I said your "belief" is bullshyt. I re-affirm my statement and position.

[JR]

Apparently if there is reading and/or a mind deficiency here, it would be yours. I didn't say your sample size was RWD, I said "if".  I asked if you were drawing from personal experience. If you wish to continue down that slippery slope then go ahead but, the people you've met on trips, airports and the 3 other losers where you work is hardly a sample size of anything.  I said your "belief" is bullshyt. I re-affirm my statement and position.

Sorry FP, won't work. You stated that what I wrote is BS and then presented as evidence that which I have already excluded. If you have personal experiences with non-RWD members that goes contrary to my own then that is another matter, however you have not presented such....the burden of proof is upon you.

I will give much more credence to my personal experiences than to a collection of unknowns and a group of persons who may be filtering what they post. In all the poeple I have met along the way (men or women) there has yet to be one who has heard of RWD. From what I have come to know about people on this forum they are set apart from the rest by the simple fact that they at least want to open their eyes.

I stand firm in my general statement that the three primary reasons a man searches for a foreign woman is that the pool of available women is younger, prettier and easier than the home town game.

[kievstar]

Show me the list of names for K-1 and I bet you will find several members on this site not on it.  Same goes for K-3.
I will trust what the immigration lawyers say. 

[Faux Pas]

Sorry FP, won't work. You stated that what I wrote is BS and then presented as evidence that which I have already excluded. If you have personal experiences with non-RWD members that goes contrary to my own then that is another matter, however you have not presented such....the burden of proof is upon you.

At any rate I stand by my belief that most men in this endeavor or not here because they are successful hometown daters and that they end up chasing younger, prettier women than they'd dare back home.

[/b]

Wrong JR. You made the statement and attempt to back it up with people you've met on planes, trips and 3 losers at work. The onus would be on you to provide any supporting data. Maybe you should take stock of the circles you move about in to provide such a lopsided belief.

I will give much more credence to my personal experiences than to a collection of unknowns and a group of persons who may be filtering what they post. In all the poeple I have met along the way (men or women) there has yet to be one who has heard of RWD. From what I have come to know about people on this forum they are set apart from the rest by the simple fact that they at least want to open their eyes.

I also have yet to meet anyone one outside RWD that has heard of it. Using your logic anyone who hasn't heard of RWD are all walking around ignorant and with blinders on. Thats just not true and you can't present anything to the contrary. There were many going to FSU to date long before RWD came along who are quality people and did just fine. For you to insinuate otherwise I suppose is reflective of your mindset and experiences.

I stand firm in my general statement that the three primary reasons a man searches for a foreign woman is that the pool of available women is younger, prettier and easier than the home town game.

For you and your ilk, no doubt that is your sole reasons. Everybody isn't like you JR

[Misha]

For you and your ilk, no doubt that is your sole reasons. Everybody isn't like you JR

Ilk?!? The way that I see it, JR is simply being honest. 

[Faux Pas]

Ilk?!? The way that I see it, JR is simply being honest. 

I suppose he is only being honest Misha, as he sees it. Doesn't make it true does it? Perhaps I'm the anomaly here but, I had no problem getting dates with younger, prettier hard bodied AW. I realize there are many that are only interested in the the outward appearance and thats okay if that is what floats your boat. But don't lump us all in there because it just isn't true. I've not met hundreds or even dozens of men who found a relationship or a wife in the FSU but those I have met are quality individuals. Some of the posters that float through here notwithstanding, many in this pursuit are regular men who are not social lepers and don't necessarily have dating problems with AM. If he perceives it that way from his experience, fine. There are other experiences that do not dove tail his. I say BS on his belief and I explained why. IMO

[Misha]

Perhaps I'm the anomaly here but, I had no problem getting dates with younger, prettier hard bodied AW.

Dates, sure, but how many would have married you? Honestly, whenever a guy says that He was able to date 20-year-old hotties at home, my mind will automatically tune out as I know it is invariably a lot of bla-bla-bla  :evil:

I realize there are many that are only interested in the the outward appearance and thats okay if that is what floats your boat.

There are men that are not interested in outward appearance?!? Have yet to meet such a man  :evil:

But don't lump us all in there because it just isn't true. I've not met hundreds or even dozens of men who found a relationship or a wife in the FSU but those I have met are quality individuals. Some of the posters that float through here notwithstanding, many in this pursuit are regular men who are not social lepers and don't necessarily have dating problems with AM.

Sure, they will have no problems dating women who are older, somewhat less attractive, likely with more children, possibly less educated, perhaps with bigger "issues" or a combination of all of the above... Why would any sane man go through all the stress and hassle of marrying a woman from another country if he could date attractive, hot, young women at home 

If he perceives it that way from his experience, fine. There are other experiences that do not dove tail his. I say BS on his belief and I explained why. IMO

We will have to agree to disagree. The BS that I most often read involves 50-year-olds saying they can easily date [and presumably marry] attractive and moderately well-adjusted women at home  :evil: It happens, but is certainly a rare occasion in real life 

[BC]

We will have to agree to disagree. The BS that I most often read involves 50-year-olds saying they can easily date [and presumably marry] attractive and moderately well-adjusted women at home  :evil: It happens, but is certainly a rare occasion in real life 

Misha,

Even if married, the smoke signals can be recognized from quite nice women around.

I really think most ignore the possibilities they do have once the RW bug bites them.

[Misha]

I really think most ignore the possibilities they do have once the RW bug bites them.

Trust me, I searched high and low for the possibilities in my city before meeting my wife. Attractive, 25-to-30 year old women, somewhat educated women who were not married and did not have a boyfriend were as rare as hen's teeth 

[BC]

Trust me, I searched high and low for the possibilities in my city before meeting my wife. Attractive, 25-to-30 year old women, somewhat educated women who were not married and did not have a boyfriend were as rare as hen's teeth 

Maybe there is an advantage living in EU?

[Faux Pas]

Dates, sure, but how many would have married you? Honestly, whenever a guy says that He was able to date 20-year-old hotties at home, my mind will automatically tune out as I know it is invariably a lot of bla-bla-bla  :evil:

Misha, I haven't "chased" 20 year hotties since my early 30's. Yes, then there were a number I would'a/could'a married but did not for a number of reasons. None were that I could not. Although, even in my early to mid 40s I dated several 20 yr old AW hotties. None that I would marry. FWIW, I wouldn't marry a 20 yr old RW hottie either.

There are men that are not interested in outward appearance?!? Have yet to meet such a man  :evil:

This is just intellectual dishonesty, shame on you. I never said I, anyone else or men in general were not interested in outward appearance. I said "only" outward appearance. There is a difference.
 

Sure, they will have no problems dating women who are older, somewhat less attractive, likely with more children, possibly less educated, perhaps with bigger "issues" or a combination of all of the above... Why would any sane man go through all the stress and hassle of marrying a woman from another country if he could date attractive, hot, young women at home 

Well there you go, back to outward appearance only again. You can date those women you refer to back home. I'll guarantee it and many men in this pursuit can too. You can marry them if you are rich enough. Those women just like such women in FSU will marry almost anyone if the payoff is big enough. GTG are not only exclusive to the FSU.

We will have to agree to disagree. The BS that I most often read involves 50-year-olds saying they can easily date [and presumably marry] attractive and moderately well-adjusted women at home  :evil: It happens, but is certainly a rare occasion in real life 

Ah, finally a smidgen of honesty.   Prior to my going to the FSU I did date some hotties in their 20s. I knew what it was about as did they. One or two I could have easily married and it wouldn't have been any big feat. In my 17 years of single life I did in fact run the full gambit and dated much younger and even some older. I was relatively indiscriminate as far as age. I never dated any woman seriously that wasn't relatively close in age to myself with intentions of possible marraige.

I have no problem agreeing to disagree and I will respect your opinion along with JR's. But, that won't hinder me from calling BS on it when I see it as BS  

BTW, ilk isn't a derogatory.

[Misha]

This is just intellectual dishonesty, shame on you. I never said I, anyone else or men in general were not interested in outward appearance. I said "only" outward appearance. There is a difference.

Sure, and all the men seeking younger more attractive women will also tell you that they are not only seeking outward appearance. The fact is FP that dating in Russia is easy and you can find a woman that has both appearance and substance. Finding the same for most men in their forties and fifties is much more difficult in North America. Generally, they will have to make certain compromises. However, find me the men who are looking to Russia or the FSU for a woman solely because of her personality? Or men who will marry a woman (no matter the age) because they lover her character and not her looks? The fact of the matter, IMHO, is that men will say one thing while doing another and are quite adept at rationalizing away their true goals 
 

You can marry them if you are rich enough.

There is the rub as the bard would say  :evil:

I have no problem agreeing to disagree and I will respect your opinion along with JR's. But, that won't hinder me from calling BS on it when I see it as BS  

Sure, and I won't be hindered why calling out what I see as BS as well  :evil:

BTW, ilk isn't a derogatory.

"Your ilk" is rarely used in a complimentary manner  :evil:

[Faux Pas]

Sure, and all the men seeking younger more attractive women will also tell you that they are not only seeking outward appearance. The fact is FP that dating in Russia is easy and you can find a woman that has both appearance and substance. Finding the same for most men in their forties and fifties is much more difficult in North America. Generally, they will have to make certain compromises. However, find me the men who are looking to Russia or the FSU for a woman solely because of her personality? Or men who will marry a woman (no matter the age) because they lover her character and not her looks? The fact of the matter, IMHO, is that men will say one thing while doing another and are quite adept at rationalizing away their true goals 
 
There is the rub as the bard would say  :evil:

I don't disagree with any of this. I do suspect that many men in this pursuit are led solely by the penis. I emphasize "many" before you turn on the dishonesty again  When AM reach the 40's it becomes increasingly difficult to find a compatible woman unless of course they have the mindset of a 20 year old. More often than not AW in their 40s have excess baggage both physically and emotionally and quite frankly are damaged goods. There are 40+ AW who do not fit that criteria and usually, they are already taken. It IMHO, is much easier to find that undamaged woman who is complete and the total package in the FSU. Many of us 40+ guys have figured that out. Yes, dating these women and the selection is many times better in the FSU. Were you looking for me to disagree with that? 

Sure, and I won't be hindered why calling out what I see as BS as well  :evil:

And I would expect you to.

"Your ilk" is rarely used in a complimentary manner  :evil:

It wasn't intended to be complimentary, nor derogatory. Did you see anything else in that post that was complimentary? It was the correct verbage for my intention.

[Misha]

It IMHO, is much easier to find that undamaged woman who is complete and the total package in the FSU. Many of us 40+ guys have figured that out. Yes, dating these women and the selection is many times better in the FSU. Were you looking for me to disagree with that? 

And? You are simply taking the younger out of the equation and simply seeking a more attractive woman overseas that you could at home  It is not that there aren't any very attractive women in their forties in the USA, simply that they will be harder to date/marry and the ones that are less attractive without the baggage won't be the total package 

[ECOCKS]

FSUW come with full sets of "baggage", emotional, cultural and personal, just a bit more attractively packaged on average.

[Faux Pas]

And? You are simply taking the younger out of the equation and simply seeking a more attractive woman overseas that you could at home  It is not that there aren't any very attractive women in their forties in the USA, simply that they will be harder to date/marry and the ones that are less attractive without the baggage won't be the total package 

You must have never been to the U.S.? There are plenty of attractive women in their 40s. 50's and beyond. Finding one single without emotional baggage becomes much more difficult but still doable for a man with enough patience. Of course some places geographically have many more than other places. Even in the more populated places they are still difficult to find.

FSUW come with full sets of "baggage", emotional, cultural and personal, just a bit more attractively packaged on average.

We all have some baggage ED. Some to much larger degrees so much, that it weights the Camel down. The ability to deal with ones own baggage makes a significant difference too. The FSU certain;y isn't immune from baggage but, the selection IMO of those with smaller amounts is better

[JR]

When AM reach the 40's it becomes increasingly difficult to find a compatible woman unless of course they have the mindset of a 20 year old. More often than not AW in their 40s have excess baggage both physically and emotionally and quite frankly are damaged goods. There are 40+ AW who do not fit that criteria and usually, they are already taken. It IMHO, is much easier to find that undamaged woman who is complete and the total package in the FSU. Many of us 40+ guys have figured that out. Yes, dating these women and the selection is many times better in the FSU. Were you looking for me to disagree with that? 

 

Now we're REALLY getting into the BS.

Another one of the myths and the number four reason men justify looking to the FSU: undamaged women without baggage. LMAO off!!!! Frequently FSUW carry much more "baggage" than there AW counterparts. Many are severly damaged from disfunctional father figures the likes of which you find appearing on Jerry Springer. Why do FSUW appear to have less baggage than AW? Let me think for a moment.....perhaps it's becuase she doesn't speak your language???? Maybe she's just wearing a mask until the green card comes in the mail?

[JR]

Wrong JR. You made the statement and attempt to back it up with people you've met on planes, trips and 3 losers at work. (Wrong: you called BS on my statement and used as evidence a group I had pointedly excluded, that makes your call of BS...well BS.)

I also have yet to meet anyone one outside RWD that has heard of it. Using your logic anyone who hasn't heard of RWD are all walking around ignorant and with blinders on. (That is not my logic and those are your words not mine, I don't believe or espouse any such all inclusive nonsense.) Thats just not true and you can't present anything to the contrary. (I could but I won't bother, you're not that important.) There were many going to FSU to date long before RWD came along who are quality people and did just fine. (Really? Oh, I guess you're right, I'm one of them. Can't argue with you there.) For you to insinuate otherwise I suppose is reflective of your mindset and experiences. (I never insunated anything, you're reading WAY too much into what I wrote, which is OK, it's fun to watching you dig your hole)

Peace

Everybody isn't like you JR  (Please point out where I said they are? But I think we're all thankful they aren't )))))  

[Daveman]

Dates, sure, but how many would have married you? Honestly, whenever a guy says that He was able to date 20-year-old hotties at home, my mind will automatically tune out as I know it is invariably a lot of bla-bla-bla  :evil:

Well, I did have 20 something year old hotties throwing their panties at me, sometimes a bra or two would fly through the air as well... all well after I turned 40.. but I do have to say, they were very mature looking panties!  Might have had more to do with loud guitars and alcohol... and less to do with marriage.. 

I think BC has a point too with the RW bug.  I admit it bit me.  Left a hell of a whelp of my ass a few times too.  I wonder though, how many reasonable local opportunities I missed because of the bug?  Guess I'll never know...