russian womens attitude towards african american men and foreigners.

[nitrous]

i had a south african friend (dark) and russian women refered to him as a ni#$#er...
A female russian friend told me that the n word was not offensive but their way of describing them. the same lady also told me that they ( RW) are taught not to like or  to trust asians or middle eastern men or african men
what are rw attitude towards foreigners? my south african friend seem to always fail with his attempts at rw, where as my white european friend does reasobably well.
this is meant to be open discussion, dont want any racial slurs in this thread thanks.

[ML]

Several FSU people have told me that they were taught to use the N word as the correct word.  They don't mean anything bad by using it.

They refer to Ni&&ers just as we would use the words Asian and European.

Simply a cultural difference.

Also, just a few days ago, one of my gals told me that here they learn the word fock (and other such no, no's) from American movies, etc.  and use the words without really knowing the litteral meanings.

[knighta]

Also, just a few days ago, one of my gals told me that here they learn the word fock (and other such no, no's) from American movies, etc.  and use the words without really knowing the litteral meanings.

[vwrw]

i had a south african friend (dark) and russian women refered to him as a ni#$#er...
A female russian friend told me that the n word was not offensive but their way of describing them.

The vast majority of Russians have NO any idea that the ni#$#er is an offensive term.  Every Russian I know of, except those I have met in America, refers to black people as ni#$#ers, and they become VERY surprised to learn that the term is offensive.

the same lady also told me that they ( RW) are taught not to like or  to trust asians or middle eastern men or african men

Taught by whom? I saw governmental attempts to make Russians antagonistic toward Ukraine's people, journalistic attempts to make Russian women and their families wary of the Middle Eastern customs of emphasizing purported female inferiority before males, but I have never seen any propaganda against black people or Asians  on Russian TV. 

what are rw attitude towards foreigners?

Radicals and practitioners of ethnocentrism can be encountered everywhere including Russia. Fortunately,the vast majority of Russians feel curiosity toward foreigners.

my south african friend seem to always fail with his attempts at rw, where as my white european friend does reasobably well.

We like the people with whom we can identify. It is always easier to identify with people who look like you, dress like you, and have similar behavior. In every corner of the world, people are wary of people who look differently from them until they get accustomed to the differently looking people. There are very few black people living in Russia, and as results, Russians are not accustomed to them.   

[BC]

Of course a 'touchy' subject, but imhe with difficulties that come from only a few countries on the planet.  The pejorative 'N' word is not universal.

Elsewhere similar words can be used in normal discourse without the negative connotation and that's where personal preferences take over.  There are phonetically similar words in other languages.

I personally haven't noted any starkly negative attitudes among folks from FSU I live with, know or do business with.

After an American friend visited our home, MIL openly stated that he was a quite handsome man and that was that.  My wife is godmother of a child from a RU Asian marriage.  I went to a party at their house in RU and the kids played together and a wide variety of grown ups had a good time.

I do hope that the PC concept stays on the western side of the Atlantic.  It is quite contradictory.. just as Mexican American, African American, Native American, Asian American, Irish American, etc etc.. whatever.. why the desire to put folks in a box, then cover it all up with PC BS and declarations of a successful melting pot.

Relationships between contrasting partners, whether the difference be age, nationality, skin color, citizenship, religion, social, caste, economic, health etc may be a bit or even a lot tougher than marriage among peers. There are many that would not even consider a 'commie' as a potential partner and just as many or more FSUW that would not consider a western bride seeker either.

Just personal preferences influenced by society, that's all.  Bottom line is not what FSU women's attitudes are, or the odds against or for any union.. It's all about finding one woman or man that would entertain something more than a one night stand.  Takes some 10 minutes, some 10 years or more.

Good luck to both your friends.



 

[Eduard]

Russians refer to African people (no mater where they live) as "Негр" or "Негры" (plural), which is equivalent to "Negro" and not the deregatory term the OP is referring to.
Negro in all latin languages simply means "Black".
When Russians come to the US they are usually advised by friends not to use the word "Негр" because it sounds too close to deragotory version (actually right in between "negro" and deregatory version).
Hope this helps.

[Gator]

Nitrous,

Tell your friend to keep trying.  While many RW could have a problem with skin color, there are a number of RW who do not care and would instead focus on the man.  My ex-wife's best friend is happily married to an Afro-American as are some of the RWD married couples.

Could his failure be something other than skin color?

Regarding the term used in Russian, my ex-wife from Moscow would say something that sounded like "negra" until I cautioned her. 

Speaking of confusion, she did not not understand why some US government forms had both "Black" and "Caucasian"  as separate boxes to signify race.

[JR]

My ex used the N name freely and derogatorily. But she hated Ukrainians too, even though she was half Ukrainain herself, go figure...

[XMan]

The Russians I met had significant negative feelings about Ukrainians, Georgians, and particularly Armenians.  Don't know about those of African descent.  But Russia is an 11 time zone country.  I'm would imagine feelings and perceptions differ based upon geographic location, history, and many other factors.  In Ukraine I noticed strong anti-German sentiment.  I suppose memories of 25% of the population dying in WWII had some lasting impact.

[ECOCKS]

i had a south african friend (dark) and russian women refered to him as a ni#$#er...
A female russian friend told me that the n word was not offensive but their way of describing them. the same lady also told me that they ( RW) are taught not to like or  to trust asians or middle eastern men or african men
what are rw attitude towards foreigners? my south african friend seem to always fail with his attempts at rw, where as my white european friend does reasobably well.
this is meant to be open discussion, dont want any racial slurs in this thread thanks.

As several have stated, FSUM/W use the word Negr for blacks in normal conversation without any particular negativity. Once they understand how we view it they try to cut back.

I would be more careful of the men and turn up your awareness of your surroundings to the level of walking around in a small, unknown southern town at night knocking on doors and asking to use the phone.

There have been several black guys who successfully wooed and married FSUW. The search may be a bit challenging and there will be some greater difficulties than white western males face. PM if you want to get in touch with one I know who got married about a year ago.

It can be done.

[molly35ru]

The Russians I met had significant negative feelings about Ukrainians, Georgians, and particularly Armenians.  Don't know about those of African descent.

The reason for these negative feelings towards Georgians and Armenians is their behaviour here, their looks and words adressed to RW. As far as Ukrainians are concerned it's just the topic for jokes, Russians vs Ukrainians.
Didn't notice negative attitude towards Afro-Americans, maybe some curiousity about their special sexuality as it's discussed on some RW forums .

[Kuna]

My wife's use of the N word was done innocently and without intention to offend.  PC has conditioned us not to use the word but to substitute other words in it's place to describe the ethnic differences - but not using the word does not mean racial prejudices no longer exist inside or outside of FSU.  In short, don't assume the use of the word indicates a racist intention... or that someone else not using it is not racist.

In saying that, I'll give you an honest answer to your question re: your coloured friend being less"successful" with RW than your white European friend.

Some women will not date/marry coloured men....  some will not make the decision based on colour alone... others will openly pursue a coloured man over Caucasians.

I saw this recently while in Kiev and when I met two Americans working there...  the African American complained he only wanted the women that didn't want him...  His friend complained some women openly chased his friend.

I guess you can't make anyone happy!

[Nat]

i had a south african friend (dark) and russian women refered to him as a ni#$#er...
A female russian friend told me that the n word was not offensive but their way of describing them.

Well, as it was said many times before, "negr" is not an offensive word in Russian. I wonder how Americans learn geography - do you guys call the river Niger "N river" or is it called somehow different on your globes? Because I suspect that the word you avoid comes from the name of that river, which is in Africa.

the same lady also told me that they ( RW) are taught not to like or  to trust asians or middle eastern men or african men
what are rw attitude towards foreigners? my south african friend seem to always fail with his attempts at rw, where as my white european friend does reasobably well.

Well, marriages between slavic people and black people are really considered to be weird here. There will always be girls who are not against such marriages, but they are in minority. As for middle eastern men - that's true, our girls are advised not to deal with them because of difference in mentality and attitude to women in those countries, but I personally know 3 girls married to Turks and living a happy marriage with them here in Ukraine.

[vwrw]

The reason for these negative feelings towards Georgians and Armenians is their behaviour here, their looks and words adressed to RW.

Please, provide some details. Can you describe what are those American looks, words, and behaviors that induce negative feelings in Ukrainians?

[Faux Pas]

Well, as it was said many times before, "negr" is not an offensive word in Russian. I wonder how Americans learn geography - do you guys call the river Niger "N river" or is it called somehow different on your globes? Because I suspect that the word you avoid comes from the name of that river, which is in Africa.

Generally, the river Niger is pronounced "nigh-ger". The pronunciations and the spellings are different from niggar or nigger which derives from the word negro and in it's origin wasn't a derogatory or a racial slur

[Eduard]

Please, provide some details. Can you describe what are those American looks, words, and behaviors that induce negative feelings in Ukrainians?

she said Armenian, not American, missus Turbo But maybe she did mean Armenian Americans who also happen to be black ))

[Gator]

.... niggar or nigger which derives from the word negro and in it's origin wasn't a derogatory or a racial slur

Perhaps its early roots were not intended to be disparaging, yet by the 1800s in America that is exactly how the word was used and used today. 

It and 100 other racial slurs (jigaboo, coon, shine, boy, spear chucker, spook, etc.) were used by many white Americans seriously and/or jokingly to imply that a person with black skin was inferior or at least had less rights than a white person. 

Because of the dark chapter in America's history, the word simply can not be made harmless.  Not using it is more than being PC.  Today, maybe the word is becoming less inflammatory because some African Americans now refer to others within their own black community as niggers.  Yet we all should know that for some reason it is accepted for one race to do something that would be considered outrageous and insulting if the white race did it.

[vwrw]

 :selfharm:
Thanks, Ed.

[GQBlues]

Yet we all should know that for some reason it is accepted for one race to do something that would be considered outrageous and insulting if the white race did it.

True in many ways...although Juan Williams recently and single-handedly changed the course of that sentiment - maybe.

As for the topic question...give it time. Post-Soviet time is fairly recent. It took America almost 200 years before baby Mulatas started changing the face of America. FSU have had only 20 years under it's belt. Many ex-pats are married to black Cubans...so it isn't like this is far fetched for many Russians.

[Nat]

As for the topic question...give it time. Post-Soviet time is fairly recent. It took America almost 200 years before baby Mulatas started changing the face of America. FSU have had only 20 years under it's belt. Many ex-pats are married to black Cubans...so it isn't like this is far fetched for many Russians.

Well, there are some mulat kids here, and they are very popular on TV and showbiz, but it won't change the attitude to black/white marriages, which isn't hostile, btw - most people just wouldn't do that - that's all. And it's not racism. Racism - it's when you don't wanna be friends with a black person and don't wanna live near them. We have no problem with that here.

And speaking of post-soviet time - most of black/white families here were created in Soviet time, their children are grown ups already.

[molly35ru]

she said Armenian, not American, missus Turbo But maybe she did mean Armenian Americans who also happen to be black ))

Thank you, Ed
I said exactly what i meant or meant what i said ...

[3T_Ventus]

i had a south african friend (dark) and russian women refered to him as a ni#$#er...
A female russian friend told me that the n word was not offensive but their way of describing them. the same lady also told me that they ( RW) are taught not to like or  to trust asians or middle eastern men or african men
what are rw attitude towards foreigners? my south african friend seem to always fail with his attempts at rw, where as my white european friend does reasobably well.
this is meant to be open discussion, dont want any racial slurs in this thread thanks.

FWIW,

Though being black, I have not yet encountered this issue of being called a n*gger or being racially discriminated by a FSUW. In fact, I have more success than I could have imagined. There are close to a million and one variables in the this dating scene. I do not know exactly the situation of your friend, how many dating sites he's on, how long he has been searching and so on...but I would like to relate one of the many recent experience of mine. On Elana Models one can make a conscientious decision on race preference. I respected this and scoured through all profiles to get a few contacts. To my surprise I got contacted by a woman searching for 'White European'. That's odd, why would she be interested me. Well, to cut things short: I met her within a month time and hope to make a visit again. I wish I could give your friend some 'Tips and Tricks' so that he can make it a success. If you are interested in the other stories and what to do in certain situations, then I would like to be of assistance and would welcome a PM. One thing that really helped me is that I have a big bag of confidence: they haven't met met me yet, though a zero to nothing chance, bend the problem to become a challenge and voila...a perfect opportunity arises for me   

A side comment. I went to visit the FSUW in Germany and traveled by train. On my way I met a lot of beautiful women, one from Italy and the others from Germany. Some wanted my telephone number and contact address. I had to decline for the obvious reason. Nitrous, I had to do some honest self search and tweaking to get to this level...   

I wish you and your friends much success and good luck! 

 

[Faux Pas]

Gator I'm not sure what it is you are trying to state here so I'll just break it down. My post wasn't to define or make light of the term but, solely to explain it for Nat as she seemed confused. Niger and nigger/niggar are completely different words with different meanings. While growing up in a semi- segregated South, hearing and using the term with regularity it is something I stopped many years ago. For many years I used it without knowing the feelings it invoked or why. Once I understood it as a young man I stopped, as it's not something I wish to be associated with and quite honestly caused me a large degree of shame.

Something I haven't been able to get my mind around during this time is the use of the "N word". I don't use the "N word to substitute for nigger. The "N word" is the very same thing. IMO, the "N word" is just was derogatory and neither should be used and I don't unless of course it is discussion such as this.

Perhaps its early roots were not intended to be disparaging, yet by the 1800s in America that is exactly how the word was used and used today. 

It and 100 other racial slurs (jigaboo, coon, shine, boy, spear chucker, spook, etc.) were used by many white Americans seriously and/or jokingly to imply that a person with black skin was inferior or at least had less rights than a white person. 

I believe the derogatory use of the word was more in the later 1800's as a product from the birth of the ku klux klan immediately after the civil war.

Because of the dark chapter in America's history, the word simply can not be made harmless.  Not using it is more than being PC.  Today, maybe the word is becoming less inflammatory because some African Americans now refer to others within their own black community as niggers.  Yet we all should know that for some reason it is accepted for one race to do something that would be considered outrageous and insulting if the white race did it.

Agreed, the word is far from harmless. I do not use the word to insult anyone and using it in a non-derogatory manner (such as the dialogue here) is not forbidden IMHO. There is "almost" a perception that it is forbidden to be uttered in any manner by the white race yet, freely slung by anyone of the black persuasion. I do not subscribe to that line of thought.

[Gator]

Gator I'm not sure what it is you are trying to state here...

I am trying to make it perfectly clear to RW that they should never use the word.  It is huge "no no."

That's all.

Nat's comment about the Niger River intially had me thinking.   Was it a possible connection?   Almost all slaves were captured in West Africa, which contains the Niger River valley.  Today the valley is one of the most populous areas in Africa.  The same as you, I think there is no connection.

[Ranetka]

I am trying to make it perfectly clear to RW that they should never use the word.  It is huge "no no."

That's all.

Nat's comment about the Niger River intially had me thinking.   Was it a possible connection?   Almost all slaves were captured in West Africa, which contains the Niger River valley.  Today the valley is one of the most populous areas in Africa.  The same as you, I think there is no connection.
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The connection is a misundstanding I think. In Russian river Niger pronounces as Nee-gher, very similar to nigger. I, same as Nat did not know the correct pronounciation was Ni-ger. Same as Nat I thought how do you say Niger (nigger) when this is a no-no word?