Its mostly about finding a wealthy westerner, isn't it? :)

[Aloe]

In the 90's Chechnya was quite the hot spot and was on the mind of a LOT of people, especially if you were of draft age. Bombs in Moscow, a coup attempt and terrorists. I don't know what daisy farm you grew up on but times were not that rosey.

Nothing a bribe won't fix. Wouldn't you rather bribe (knowing the exact sum that needs to be given and that it will be 100% accepted and there will be no reprecussions whatsoever for bribing) rather than go and die? During 90's i was too small to bother myself with such events, and the bombs during 2000's were surely bad, but i didn't think anything would happen to me. I think many people have this attitude, we even have a saying that "a man won't move until a rooster bites him in the ass", i think that saying actually fits Russia throughout centuries. We never move until its nearly too late. Likewise, people don't concern themselves much with things that do not directly touch them. And all the bombs and terrorists are in Chechnya or Moscow or St.Peters, so vast majority of the territory was untouched by any of the events, so what war everywhere?

MMM daisy farm is a pleasant image

[Son of Clyde]

I was thinking about this thread and Andreas attitude.
I think it is excusable in a way.
From the age of 16 into your 20's it is all about bragging about the sex and about your accomplishments.
Once someone reaches their mid 30's, with more experience, there is really no need to brag. At that age most women have had several relationships, may have had a marriage or two and may have children.
At 28 you are still at the stage of uncertainty but there is still time to turn your life around while you are still young.
What I have said is not true in every case. Some people continue to brag all their lives. If Andreas can settle down and just become "one of the guys" I think he can do well on this board.

[Welder]

Andreas,
My opinion for what its worth is based on finding the true love of my life and creating a loving small family.  We are married three years and have two children.  At the age of 42 I can tell you nothing compares in terms of personal fulfillment.

The term "young dumb and full of cum" describes most guys in their twenties.  Don't be insulted as all of us guys have been there at some point. 

One thing is for certain, your in no position to have a serious relationship.  Until you decide to put at least lifting on the back burner you will wreck your partners life.  With the work and lifting distractions you will not be in a position to provide the support required for a successful relationship let alone the transition of a woman from the FSU. 

The formula to get what you want isn't rocket science.  The trouble is you aren't in a position to go after it.  I am not being critical or judgmental just stating a fact.  To have the relationship(woman) you desire takes as much work as your career.  I wont even mention your hobby of weight lifting as that isn't in the same league(competed as a bodybuilder so i do know what little effort that takes, lets be honest its fun).

I am curious of your postings.  How do you think your co workers would view your posts?  What do you think other professionals think when they look at you? What do you think your future woman would think if reading all this crap on this site?  Would she have respect?  For a guy who has gone through law school and is a registered professional it strikes me as odd.......perhaps not so smart.  The men and women on this site and other similar often know of potential mates for new members.  It is a great opportunity to meet women outside the bar scene which is what you desire....you do realizes those bridges are burning in full flame.

As a last note I can tell ya I do regret all the damage I did to my body while competing.  Today i switch arms every 5 minutes while carrying my kids because of arthritis in my elbows.  I am only 42 and was on blood pressure medication when i was 36.  Family life has rewarded me with much lower blood pressure and a happiness that neither work or competing in sports could ever compare.  My biggest fear is that i dont develop anything more serious, health related, from stupidity at youth that could interfere with my family life.

Take it from an older dog brother, the right relationship is far more rewarding than anything you have now ....work or sports.  They will seem meaningless when you dedicate yourself to work and finally meet the right person.

lastly.....get over yourself.....not attractive

[Andreas]

Gator,  yes, I was "involved"...  at international level - and in two strength sports actually.

Before I say "much" about the people in lifting circles I think it's important to note these weights Andreas is so proud of are not large weights for a committed lifter.  

A 170kg bench press at 108kg bodyweight is nothing really.  Don't get me wrong,  it's a big weight for a golfer, a runner or a swimmer,  but there would be many men in other strength sports (shot put, discus, football - NOT soccer   ;-)    ) who would be moving these sorts of weights without it being their primary sport.

It's NOT a world class lift by along shot.

The 272.5 kg deadlift is the same thing...  As an example, twenty years ago there were lifters at 75KG bodyweight lifting more than that. It's not something a serious lifter would boast about in lifting circles.

I think he is very proud of what he has achieved,  but really it's like a schoolboy boasting about his very first conquest in front of pimply faced classmates who are yet to "partake in the act"... He does it because he expects everyone to sit around gasping in awe - thus posting the cheesy Youtube vids.

First of all, my (raw) bench is 190kgs, my squat is 300kgs (with loose suit) and 285kgs in the deadlift. Not world class by a long shot, but not half-bad either. I never claimed to be "world class", and I've been constantly injured for more than two years (as previously mentioned). That has hampered my progress.

I've also struggled with a lot of injuries before that and suffered from massive sleep apnea for many years before I found out and got it fixed.

I'm an optimist and I believe that when I've got my injuries healed up I can be as strong as anyone with enough training, diet and discipline. I've worked out with some of the strongest men in the world, and they aren't really doing anything different in the gym than me, just keeping injury free (instead of being a moron like me who ignores pain until something brakes) and taking their time. Most strength athletes are at their strongest when they reach their mid 30s. I've got many years left.

Andreas didn't achieve "his best he could be" because it appears his body gave way before his potential was realised. At 6'2" in height and only 108kg of bodyweight I think he was probably a longway off his potential if his body would have been able to hold out.

I used to weigh 134kgs, but I was fat then. Stronger, but also fatter.

I don't know enough about Andreas to work out exactly what his trip is...  but I know he has a big ego and questionable judgement based on the things he has posted in here (like the immature comments about his recent threesome)... I mean really,  in the current day and age this is not something that is even uncommon now - why boast about it unless you expect the pimply faced kids to gasp?

In my defense I'm slighty less of a moron in real life.

Andreas appears a LONG way from finding a wife.

Being a childish moron who does a little verbal "victory dance" when he finally gets laid as frequently as he (thinks he) deserves doesn't really justify that assumption IMO.

I'm actually very affectionate and loyal (to name some qualities), and I'm pretty sure you're wrong in your assumptions about me. I can't say I blame you, though, as I've made no effort what so ever to come across as anything but an a-hole in this thread.

[Andreas]

Kuna,

Very insightful, as usual.  Definitely not a sport for golfers who strive for speed, not strength (transfer of kinetic energy).

Most everyone is criticizing Andreas as if he were a kid, yet he is excelling in his profession (provided he is building positive realtionships with his peers).  I suppose the opposite sex is just a way to vent some hormones.  My older son is the same. 

See, everyone who has a moron for a son knows that it has something to do with hormones. Like PMS for women, I guess!

As for my profession I'm doing all right I guess. I get a long great with my colleagues, I made partner and was asked if I wanted to take over as head of the trial department as of this year (it really doesn't involve much stuff other than deciding who gets which case, making sure that work is distributed equally etc., but it still looks good on my resumé).
I guess I wouldn't have been given these opportunities if I behaved as badly in real life as I do here.

[Andreas]

Should a mature and serious lady ever tell Andreas "I love you" I doubt that she'd be very impressed when he responds "That makes two of us!"     

Ha ha ha....good one!

[Andreas]

After reading 2 or 3 pages it seems to me that Andreas would not have the time for a threesome or even a quickie if he is always at work or at the gym working out to heavy metal music. I wonder how much of what he has posted is for shock value.

While I do love to shock (you should see the looks on the faces of some of my colleagues ), I am able to squeeze in a little lovin' from time to time (weekends are good for that stuff).

[Andreas]

I was thinking about this thread and Andreas attitude.
I think it is excusable in a way.
From the age of 16 into your 20's it is all about bragging about the sex and about your accomplishments.
Once someone reaches their mid 30's, with more experience, there is really no need to brag. At that age most women have had several relationships, may have had a marriage or two and may have children.
At 28 you are still at the stage of uncertainty but there is still time to turn your life around while you are still young.
What I have said is not true in every case. Some people continue to brag all their lives. If Andreas can settle down and just become "one of the guys" I think he can do well on this board.

Now that wasn't so hard, was it?

Do you think that someone with an ego as big as mine would work his ass of as a student, then as a low-paid lawyer straight out of college just to marry the first girl who pops up when my efforts finally start paying out?  Of course not. Now I want to screw around, lean back and re-evaluate my "mating status".

You see, in psychology there is a school of thought that says that all young boys will start off by trying to land the prettiest girl in class. As the boys are being rejected they go for the second prettiest and so on until they find someone who are on "their level".
I never lowered my standards much, and now my "marked value" seem to have risen considerably. That's why I take things in stride, make up for lost time (by screwing around they way I should have at age 19) and enjoy life. Being an asshole about it is just....well....what can I say....I'm an asshole.

I don't plan on doing this for the rest of my life, but who knows, maybe I will. Its better than marrying someone you don't love just for the sake of marrying.

[Andreas]

Andreas,
My opinion for what its worth is based on finding the true love of my life and creating a loving small family.  We are married three years and have two children.  At the age of 42 I can tell you nothing compares in terms of personal fulfillment.

Sounds nice. Cudos to you!

The term "young dumb and full of cum" describes most guys in their twenties.  Don't be insulted as all of us guys have been there at some point. 

No offense taken, and I think the term fits pretty well.
So far I'm damn lucky that I haven't been caught by any angry husbands (just one husband, and he played the piano and made us coffee. Some sort of "open relationship" kind of deals. Weird as hell!)

One thing is for certain, your in no position to have a serious relationship.  Until you decide to put at least lifting on the back burner you will wreck your partners life.  With the work and lifting distractions you will not be in a position to provide the support required for a successful relationship let alone the transition of a woman from the FSU. 

I've come to this conclusion as well, at least as far as RW go. If I meet a local girl who wants to join me in the gym a couple of days every week, it could work out fine I think.

I am curious of your postings.  How do you think your co workers would view your posts? 

What do you think other professionals think when they look at you?

I work in a firm with a lot of young and informal lawyers. The other lawyers in my department laugh their asses off every Monday when they hear what screwed up shit I've been doing. I never swore to behave like a grown up when I received my license to practice as a lawyer.

What do you think your future woman would think if reading all this crap on this site? 

Something like "wow! what a real alpha man, such a bad boy! Maybe I can change him. Through sex!"
What can I say? At least I'm honest and I make girls laugh. And sometimes I spank them too.

Would she have respect?  For a guy who has gone through law school and is a registered professional it strikes me as odd.......perhaps not so smart.  The men and women on this site and other similar often know of potential mates for new members.  It is a great opportunity to meet women outside the bar scene which is what you desire....you do realizes those bridges are burning in full flame.

I've reached a point where I don't give a fuck anymore. Being a "goodie two shoes" never did me any good, and now I just do whatever the hell I feel like doing. It feels like being out of prison in a way. Very free.

As a last note I can tell ya I do regret all the damage I did to my body while competing.  Today i switch arms every 5 minutes while carrying my kids because of arthritis in my elbows.  I am only 42 and was on blood pressure medication when i was 36.  Family life has rewarded me with much lower blood pressure and a happiness that neither work or competing in sports could ever compare.  My biggest fear is that i dont develop anything more serious, health related, from stupidity at youth that could interfere with my family life.

If I could choose between getting laid with models on a daily basis or being a giant like Bill Kazmaier (in Kuna's post), though not getting laid and staying single for ever....I'd be big Bill.
There is something about being a behemoth that appeals to me in a way that's hard to descbribe. I just want that power, you know. No matter the cost (almost).

lastly.....get over yourself.....not attractive

Never!!!

[Gator]

Andreas,

Your posts somehow fascinate me.  You are intelligent yet full of bravado.  You are boastful yet self-deprecating.  Your posts are refreshing on one hand, and enigmatic on the other.

I have one question.  Why are you restricting your "dating life" to skanks, cheating wives, etc.?  Instead, why don't you become serious about a trip to the FSU?  You can easily find for $100 in agency fees several pretty, educated RW with whom to communicate.  After 2-3 months of talking, I am certain that you will want to meet a few of them, and they would like to meet you.   Hence, a trip that you contemplated more than two years ago.

Hi there!
As I live in a country with few available women to choose from I'm getting more and more interested in the idea of finding a woman from the FSU. After all, they must be something special if there are so many web pages and forums dedicated to them (I also know a couple of guys who are married to girls from Eastern Europe)

I've been reading Taz' trip reports where he helps out his idiot friend "JD" and I'm looking forward to being an active member of this board, and hopefully travelling to the FSU in the (relatively near) future to see if I can sweep some lucky(?) girl of her feet

You don't have to marry these RW.  I guarantee that the crème de la crème will not be swept off their feet and will indeed be a challenge.  They are well educated, have well paid jobs, and have no problem in meeting RM.  In fact, "marriage" talk in the beginning will push them away.  You aren't afraid of rejection, are you?  One warning - you may very well remind these RW of the RM whom they find lacking.

Read the posts of the RW who responded to you in this thread. Now picture the pretty face and sexy body behind the words.   Think how they would be your intellectual equal.  Imagine that some of these who have your sense of humor and somehow make life fun.  More than that, your life will feel complete.  Such women are in the FSU.  However, you will never find them if you waste your time worshiping yourself.

And I suggest some correspondence rather than just going with no plan, or otherwise you will quickly focus on the RW skanks at clubs or the multitude of inexpensive prostitutes already well experienced with traveling Norwegian businessmen.   

[Andreas]

Andreas,

Your posts somehow fascinate me.  You are intelligent yet full of bravado.  You are boastful yet self-deprecating.  Your posts are refreshing on one hand, and enigmatic on the other.

Interesting observation. I think I like it. Kind of like Churchill's description of Russia: "a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma". 

I have one question.  Why are you restricting your "dating life" to skanks, cheating wives, etc.? Instead, why don't you become serious about a trip to the FSU?  You can easily find for $100 in agency fees several pretty, educated RW with whom to communicate.  After 2-3 months of talking, I am certain that you will want to meet a few of them, and they would like to meet you.   Hence, a trip that you contemplated more than two years ago.

You don't have to marry these RW.  I guarantee that the crème de la crème will not be swept off their feet and will indeed be a challenge.  They are well educated, have well paid jobs, and have no problem in meeting RM.  In fact, "marriage" talk in the beginning will push them away.  You aren't afraid of rejection, are you?  One warning - you may very well remind these RW of the RM whom they find lacking.

As for the skanks and cheating wives:
Why do people eat hamburgers and junk food? Because its fast, tastes decent and it's cheap. No need to wait for 45 minutes at a restaurant, no need to leave the table hungry etc. Same thing here. I've been sick for a couple of days which is why I've been hanging out here, but usually I don't have too much time on my hand.

Today my mother asked me "may I ask how many girls you are sleeping with these days". I answered honestly and she said "Oh lord! Well, it's good to get some practice, I guess".
Getting in a fair amount of "batting practice" in a short amount of time is very practical. And fun. No harm done to anyone. Well, except a few husbands, but what they don't know won't harm them I say.

In fact I'm chatting with a potential candidate on MSN while writing this post (most people write slow, so I can get some lines in here while waiting for her to find the "R" button  ).

As for finding a russian wife:
Haven't you been paying attention? I'm the scum of the earth, remember? The kind of guy you'd warn your daughter about (not to mention your wife).
Who in their right mind would even think about getting involved with a obsessed narcissist who might even have an obsessive compulsive personality disorder!? One who can't even deadlift 300kgs (and still thinks he's He-Man)!? That's even worse than marrying Hitler!

Frankly I think I could handle having a girlfriend, but I'm probably a pretty challenging guy to live with in the long run. With the added difficulties that comes with a WM-RW relationship I just don't think its a good idea. At leat not now.
As for going to Eastern Europe to have some fun and see what happens? That I could do.

Another thing is that Kuna is 100% right.
As I've pointed out, I have decent strength, but I'm not world class. I will never stop obsessing about weight training until I'm either chronically injuried so that I can't lift, or I will keep going until I get there.
Now that I have an awesome physiotherapist who treats me on a regular basis (a former European record holder in the deadlift, by the way), gotten my sleep apnea fixed and having my knees and chest muscle healing up nice, I believe I can get some good progress. In 5-8 years I might be somebody in the strength scene. I've invested too much time and effort to back out now. Besides I hate being small (240lbs).

As Kuna also said I'm to tall for powerlifting, but not for strongman. My powerlifts are not too impressive (but not half bad either), but doing 370kgs in the yoke for 10 meters with no stops is pretty good. I've worked out with two world class strongmen who failed at this (both could bench press over 250kgs with no bench press suit and deadlift close to 800 lbs). They weren't too familiar with this event, though.

My log lift of 135kgs without having trained that event for over a year is also pretty decent. 10 years ago that's the type of lifts you would see at international competitions (not the winners, but the bottom third of the field). Now the level is much higher, though.

Read the posts of the RW who responded to you in this thread. Now picture the pretty face and sexy body behind the words.   Think how they would be your intellectual equal.  Imagine that some of these who have your sense of humor and somehow make life fun. 

So far they've spent most of their time yelling at me. I don't need to get on a plane to get that treatment. I have a never-ending stream of angry feminists lurking around every corner in Oslo.

And I suggest some correspondence rather than just going with no plan, or otherwise you will quickly focus on the RW skanks at clubs or the multitude of inexpensive prostitutes already well experienced with traveling Norwegian businessmen.   

Yeah, I do believe that the skanks in the night clubs might very well get the better of me. I don't reckon I'd put on much of a resistance either, I'm afraid. 

[mrs.Shadow]

Conclusion: It's really all about getting into western Europe, isn't it girls?

In a short way: yes...

And foreign men should know very good where do they go in, when decided to find a wife from FSU...
I heard here many opinions about which woman is better - from village or from big city, from Russia or from Ukraine, etc...

I, probably, will brake some of hopes, but I did not see yet here the real answer from Russian women...

And I had to say - mostly 99% of 100 Russian women are looking for a foreigner because they think he is richer...

It is the same thing like many Russian women are hunting the guys from Moscow, and many Russian men are hunting the girls from Moscow.. Put here instead of Moscow any big Russian city... So telling that the girl from village is more comfortable as a wife, because she demands less - is utopia... The same goes about East girls and West guys...

My personal tip: Avoid girls who shit their country... That are for sure - just for foreign citizenship...

Its a life, it exists, why do hide it?

And you should know that the way to find a good wife by searching it in "poor countries" is more risky then happy...

[mies]

So far they've spent most of their time yelling at me. I don't need to get on a plane to get that treatment. I have a never-ending stream of angry feminists lurking around every corner in Oslo.

Andreas, if women are criticizing you, this does not mean they are necessarily feminists, or that they are yelling at every other men. This can also mean that you are doing something wrong, you are doing something that many good guys do not do, or you are doing something that is not normal from the women's point of view. I know it takes maturity and wisdom to admit "yes, i was wrong, and yes, i do have weak sides that i need to work on", and maybe you are not at that stage of personal development yet. And maybe will choose to never be. Who knows. But in this case - the sort of woman you are looking for, the ultimate "non-feminist" will not do you any good. Plus, you will not find the ultimate altruist for a partner, and even if you will - with your attitude to relationship either the altruism or the partner will not last long.

See - I am not yelling at you, I am explaining it calmly and patiently, sincerely willing to help you. And yes, I am both attractive and intellectual gifted far more than population average.

As for "feminists of Oslo" - I have few Norwegian female friends, who indeed proclaim themselves as feminists, and they are the most charming, honest, sincere, caring and wonderful women I ever met. In my opinion, they are much better partners, wives, or moms than soft-spoken, sneaky and passive aggressive women.
I also have a non-norwegian male acquaintance who is in love with a feminist from Oslo. For him she is the best woman on Earth. So do not tell us here the fairy-tale stories about horrible Norwegian feminists because these stories are not true.

[Andreas]

Andreas, if women are criticizing you, this does not mean they are necessarily feminists, or that they are yelling at every other men. This can also mean that you are doing something wrong, you are doing something that many good guys do not do, or you are doing something that is not normal from the women's point of view. I know it takes maturity and wisdom to admit "yes, i was wrong, and yes, i do have weak sides that i need to work on", and maybe you are not at that stage of personal development yet. And maybe will choose to never be. Who knows. But in this case - the sort of woman you are looking for, the ultimate "non-feminist" will not do you any good. Plus, you will not find the ultimate altruist for a partner, and even if you will - with your attitude to relationship either the altruism or the partner will not last long.

See - I am not yelling at you, I am explaining it calmly and patiently, sincerely willing to help you. And yes, I am both attractive and intellectual gifted far more than population average.

As for "feminists of Oslo" - I have few Norwegian female friends, who indeed proclaim themselves as feminists, and they are the most charming, honest, sincere, caring and wonderful women I ever met. In my opinion, they are much better partners, wives, or moms than soft-spoken, sneaky and passive aggressive women.
I also have a non-norwegian male acquaintance who is in love with a feminist from Oslo. For him she is the best woman on Earth. So do not tell us here the fairy-tale stories about horrible Norwegian feminists because these stories are not true.

You remind me of my mommy! 

...and a little bit about an Estonian girl I'm seeing from time to time. 

[Sia]

11 pages of discussion on the topic of feminism in Norway, 11 pages of discussion on the theme of Children's Psychocomplexises, 11 pages on the argument, "Who Lives Well in Russia"

or you can ask? Just do not throw rotten tomatoes at me. pleaseeeeeeeeeee

And what a bargain?

I just do not understand, the subject matter was one, but eventually turned out to be between products with amino acids, protein shakes, carnitine and the Code of Laws of America?))) And where is the love?

[SFandEE]

I think I love you.  (tongue in cheek)

[SANDRO43]

I just do not understand, the subject matter was one, but eventually turned out to be between products with amino acids, protein shakes, carnitine and the Code of Laws of America?)))

Typical forum "Brownian motion" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brownian_motion):

When interest in the original topic is flagging, other topics -often unrelated - will crop up and replace it, meandering away .

[Muzh]

Typical forum "Brownian motion" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brownian_motion):

When interest in the original topic is flagging, other topics -often unrelated - will crop up and replace it, meandering away .

Sandro, you are something else. 

It's been many moons since I heard that term; and everytime with the microworld, not finances or forum randomness.

That's a good one.

[JR]

11 pages of discussion on the topic of feminism in Norway, 11 pages of discussion on the theme of Children's Psychocomplexises, 11 pages on the argument, "Who Lives Well in Russia"

or you can ask? Just do not throw rotten tomatoes at me. pleaseeeeeeeeeee

And what a bargain?

I just do not understand, the subject matter was one, but eventually turned out to be between products with amino acids, protein shakes, carnitine and the Code of Laws of America?))) And where is the love?

It's not about love....it's about the personalities of the dozen or so daily posters, the dozen more semi-regular posters and the amount of crap they can manage to put into the same spot, er thread. Then we all stand around the mess we have made and argue about whose crap smells the least offensive LOL

[Muzh]

THAT is why I took two steps back (up to page 2) and turned away. LOL

[Rubicon]

11 pages of discussion on the topic of feminism in Norway, 11 pages of discussion on the theme of Children's Psychocomplexises, 11 pages on the argument, "Who Lives Well in Russia"

or you can ask? Just do not throw rotten tomatoes at me. pleaseeeeeeeeeee

And what a bargain?

I just do not understand, the subject matter was one, but eventually turned out to be between products with amino acids, protein shakes, carnitine and the Code of Laws of America?))) And where is the love?

there's no such thing as love Sia, it's just an illusion!!

and to answer the OP's question, yes it IS about finding a wealthy westerner!!  why else would a woman leave behind her family, friends, language and culture???

so get over it Andreas, if you want a "wife", you must be willing to pay the price!!

[The Natural]

there's no such thing as love Sia, it's just an illusion!!

Come on Rubicon. If love is really an illusion, we might as well slit out throats, all of us. It may be rare and not what many guys imagine (like having a hard on for the same woman for the rest of their lives) but I've seen enough cases of spouses dying shortly after their loved one died. And if it weren't so, why care for anybody at all, why care for your family or local society? I can well understand a person not caring for the government, but that's another thing because that's a construct that is anti-individual.

[Rubicon]

lighten up Natural, it's a joke!!

[Andreas]

Is this thread still alive? 

[TomT]

11 pages of discussion on the topic of feminism in Norway, 11 pages of discussion on the theme of Children's Psychocomplexises, 11 pages on the argument, "Who Lives Well in Russia"

or you can ask? Just do not throw rotten tomatoes at me. pleaseeeeeeeeeee

And what a bargain?

I just do not understand, the subject matter was one, but eventually turned out to be between products with amino acids, protein shakes, carnitine and the Code of Laws of America?))) And where is the love?

It's the natural order of things for people to wander off topic on these forums. There are a few jewels of wisdom amongst the rubbish, though.