Its mostly about finding a wealthy westerner, isn't it? :)

[Aloe]

Men who walk around like a goose (russian saying - meaning he is so damn full of himself, it's surprising he doesn't burst). This whole attitude, i'm this i'm that, i did this, i did that, i got this i got that, i i i i i i i memememememe i i i i. God, how disgusting. A little humility please? Great men are the ones who do deeds and stay humble. Sure you have achievements and you are right to be proud of them. It is fine to show them subtly. Not blow your horn and thump yourself on the chest proclaiming your achievements. Is that how you act with women? I did this that and that and i'm this and that, and then some, and some more, and don't forget also this?

[JR]

Goodness man....what's wrong with Swedish women?

Perhaps it's not the Swedish women at all? There's one common demonator in all of Andreas's failed relationships and inablilty to land a woman.....dwell upon that for awhile.

[Ade]

Perhaps it's not the Swedish women at all? There's one common demonator in all of Andreas's failed relationships and inablilty to land a woman.....dwell upon that for awhile.

Like I said earlier. Pretty damn obvious really. Aloe is not fooled either.

[BillyB]

Conclusion: It's really all about getting into western Europe, isn't it girls?

That's a bad attitude to have if you're trying to find a sincere marriage minded RW. It's not only bad, it's wrong. Send out an intro letter stating you're looking for a RW to bring to (your country) and see how many respond. Most will be insulted and not respond. Talk about or money and material items and see how many respond. Your feelings about the insincere motives RW may show in an indirect way when you are dating sincere RW and you will lose them.

You've got the job and body to catch the easy women but the woman you seek is a different breed and you need to change something about yourself. When I was 14, I got 2nd place in State for bowling. I scored in the top 1% in the nation on the ASVAB test and at 16 the military wrote my parents and asked them to pursued me to join their nuclear program as an officer. I broke 2 records in high school for sports and did exceptionally well in other sports. There's more. You already know more about my past achievements than the women that know me.

Now I got less hair, smaller arms, bigger belly and I feel my brain isn't as sharp but I can catch better looking and overall better quality women than when I was younger. I talk much less about myself today than in the past.

[Ade]

I talk much less about myself today than in the past.

Seriously? Then I can't even begin to imagine...

[ECOCKS]

Seriously? Then I can't even begin to imagine...

[Shadow]

Now I got less hair, smaller arms, bigger belly and I feel my brain isn't as sharp but I can catch better looking and overall better quality women than when I was younger. I talk much less about myself today than in the past.

How is your eyesight ?  :evil:

[Andreas]

Wow! Were you a Wizard? Patroon? Lightning? Mayhem? Stampede? Interesting, do tell...Euro-Ballers are definitely getting so much better...Legitimate talent pool.

European teams definitely have risen above the level they were at in the 90s. Unfortunately this does not include the Norwegians.

[Andreas]

Andreas,  I just don't understand?  For a young guy you seem to be very successful in many different pursuits and your English is the best I've ever seen from a Norwegian.  It seems you have conquered many different summits and congratulations. The Scandinavian girls should be all over you like white on rice.  If that's accurate then I would expect RW's would be likewise unless ...you have some negative baggage that turns women off.  Whats wrong with Scandinavian girls?

Scandinavian girls at age 27 behave just like they did at age 15. It's all about parties, getting drunk and switching boyfriend as soon as the one they have gets "worn out".

I want a woman with the mindset and personality of a 40-year old, but with the youth (and all that comes with it) as a 20 year old.

[Ade]

Scandinavian girls at age 27 behave just like they did at age 15. It's all about parties, getting drunk and switching boyfriend as soon as the one they have gets "worn out".

Bull. I got together with my ex when she was 23 and she wasn't at all like that. After our 10 year relationship ended I was together with a 29 year old Oslo girl for a year and she wasn't at all like you describe either. Yes, girls like that exist here as they exist in every country, but in my experience they are certainly not in the majority once they're into their mid twenties and older. 

[JR]

Remember where Andreas does his fishing.....something about fat chicks in bars))))

The pond you're fishing in has a lot to do with the type of fish you'll catch.

[BillyB]

How is your eyesight ?  :evil:

Great, otherwise I wouldn't be able to see that cute cat in your avatar.

[Andreas]

I still haven't seen anyone respond to the statement from the owner of A Foreign Affair who - indirectly - admitted that AFA closing down their offices in Latvia and Estonia was a direct result of the economic growth in these countries.

Isn't this an indicator that poor economy in a given nation is a necessity for an industrialized export of women to the West? If Russia and Ukraina had similar economic growth, would western men still appeal to the women of these countries to such a degree that the marriage agencies could still operate?

[Lily]

 

I still haven't seen anyone respond to the statement from the owner of A Foreign Affair who - indirectly - admitted that AFA closing down their offices in Latvia and Estonia was a direct result of the economic growth in these countries.

Isn't this an indicator that poor economy in a given nation is a necessity for an industrialized export of women to the West? If Russia and Ukraina had similar economic growth, would western men still appeal to the women of these countries to such a degree that the marriage agencies could still operate?

Andreas,

As we used to say it in Russia, let's distinguish flies from cutlets Not every woman just wants someone who will save her from poverty in the disadvantaged regions. Please don't think that the most attractive feature of a WM to a FSU woman is just his vallet and passport. At least not for many women. If someone truly wants to get to the West, she will do it on her own, be it from the Baltic countries in question, or from the rest of the FSU.

The agency owner's words above probably reflect her own vision of the business, or the caliber of ladies who she managed to recruit as clients

In my posts, I already wrote about WM and what makes them attractive for a FSU woman.

[Jooky]

I still haven't seen anyone respond to the statement from the owner of A Foreign Affair who - indirectly - admitted that AFA closing down their offices in Latvia and Estonia was a direct result of the economic growth in these countries.

I'll respond. Economic disparity does fuel businesses like AFA that need women to stoop to the level of their socials.

However, things have changed not only economically. If a woman in Moscow wants to find foreign men, she just hops on the web and signs up with an international dating site. There's no need for socials or agencies.

Agencies and socials thrive in economically deprived areas because there is more incentive to lure women by paying them to participate. It's partly about escaping, but it's also about profit for a lot of women. I think in Ukraine it's reached a point where the women are more interested in the extra cash and gifts than actually getting out of Ukraine.

[Gylden]

Andreas,
I think the answer is rather simple. First of all if you have been to Estonia or Latvia you will have noticed that the economy in both lands is not good at all. However, it is much easier for women (men too) to travel to western European lands, so it is much more straight forward for men seeking women from these lands to organise trips for both he and she. This might be a partial reason for an agency to pull out of these countries (and there are several others too).

IMO the bottom line to your question is, that while a number of women might not be searching for a man from strictly a financial angle, it does enter the picture and quite naturally so, just as a worthy Norwegian woman would place importance on the success of her man as well. Same for American women too, it is just part of what makes someone attractive.

[Shadow]

I still haven't seen anyone respond to the statement from the owner of A Foreign Affair who - indirectly - admitted that AFA closing down their offices in Latvia and Estonia was a direct result of the economic growth in these countries.

Isn't this an indicator that poor economy in a given nation is a necessity for an industrialized export of women to the West? If Russia and Ukraina had similar economic growth, would western men still appeal to the women of these countries to such a degree that the marriage agencies could still operate?

Perhaps people with on the ground experience would be able to tell more about the direct economic situation.
Accoording to my opinon the removal of travel limitations and relatively small population would contribute more than the economic situation. Unless you belong to the group who feels that money suddenly makes bad men attractive.

[Aloe]

I don't know about other countries, but "russians in belgium" forums REGULARILY see topics, "help, how do we move to belgium!!!!! The situation here in Baltics is so bad, you can't find a job cleaning the floor, let alone a professional job, so we wanna move". It does not sound like LAtvia/Litva and Estonia are having a good economical rise. 

[mies]

Conclusion: It's really all about getting into western Europe, isn't it girls?

Andreas, here is the answer to your question:
- when you are introducing yourself to the Russian girls who live in Norway - they are comparing you to all other "dating/mating options" they already have locally. They have access to many young local Norwegian guys of wide range of looks, incomes and matrimonial plans.
- when you are  introducing yourself to the Russian girls who still live in Russia and look for the foreigner/westerner - they compare you to the other subscribers of these services.

The fundamental flaw in your conclusion results from the fact that you omit (intentionally or involuntarily) the essence of the matter. You are in good shape competing with guys on RW-WM websites, but you are losing to your "rivals" on local dating sites/scene.

Whether Russian girls want to get to Western Europe is rather irrelevant. In fact - it is in your interest that they rather want to get to Western Europe, otherwise - how else can you get the Russian girl marry you and live with you? (unless you are ready to relocate to Russia)
Though I do understand that you may feel somewhat hurt by the lack of interest from locally available Russians - hence, why not say they just want to get to Europe and not interested in men.  

I may also elaborate slightly on the topic: you are giving impression of young but dominating person, as you age - this dominant quality will only get stronger. The girls who already made it to Norway are strong-spirited/ strong-willed already. Therefore, they may feel less attracted to someone who wants to take a dominating role in the household. They may want a husband who is an equal partner rather than a "household head". The girls of your age range who are still in Russia and look for foreign husbands - in some cases may be still in Russia because they lack that ambition and strength of will. And they may be specifically looking for a husband who can be "the strong one" in the household, the leader, and the problem-solver.
I, for example, if I were single, would not respond to the guy who is a dominant "problem solver". I do no like to take submissive role, and I do not really need someone to solve my problems. I have a very clear understanding that such relationship would be doomed from the start, and mutually disappointing for both me and the guy. As simple as that.

[Shadow]

The fundamental flaw in your conclusion results from the fact that you omit (intentionally or involuntarily) the essence of the matter. You are in good shape competing with guys on RW-WM websites, but you are losing to your "rivals" on local dating sites/scene.

Just ot add to this good advice... your profile will often show your weight of 130Kg. While you may be in good shape, without a full body picture women might not get the message that a man of 130Kg can be in excellent physical shape.
Also note that power lifting in Russia has several negative connotations, from using dangerous food supplements to involvement in the criminal world.
These factors may weigh heavy on the reaactions you receive.

[mies]

Just ot add to this good advice... your profile will often show your weight of 130Kg. While you may be in good shape, without a full body picture women might not get the message that a man of 130Kg can be in excellent physical shape.
Also note that power lifting in Russia has several negative connotations, from using dangerous food supplements to involvement in the criminal world.
These factors may weigh heavy on the reaactions you receive.

excellent points.

[Gator]

Mies,

Very insightful. 

[JR]

I still haven't seen anyone respond to the statement from the owner of A Foreign Affair who - indirectly - admitted that AFA closing down their offices in Latvia and Estonia was a direct result of the economic growth in these countries.

Isn't this an indicator that poor economy in a given nation is a necessity for an industrialized export of women to the West? If Russia and Ukraina had similar economic growth, would western men still appeal to the women of these countries to such a degree that the marriage agencies could still operate?

Ok, I'll take the bait and respond: some things are so blatantly obvious there's no need to address them. Your statement says all that needs saying, period. We have a saying in the US, "Follow the money trail." It's usually used in conjunction with corruption. But it can be applied here. You don't find WW moving east to marry FSUM. The flow is from the east to west, not vise versa.

Something else which has not been addressed but is equally obvious: many have pointed out their belief that you should look inwards to locate the source of your lack of success in your hometown. This is good advice and I hope you can take it to heart.

[Son of Clyde]

Can you blame these women when some Americans are sending them money with no questions asked? I sent what I could afford, after I was already engaged to the woman. I can understand sending small gifts such as flowers and candy, but never hundreds of dollars to pay hospital bills for a sick grandmother who does not exist. There must be enough Americans sending money or there would not be so many marriage sites. This is also big business for some of the woman who operate independently of an agency.

[Andreas]

Perhaps it's not the Swedish women at all? There's one common demonator in all of Andreas's failed relationships and inablilty to land a woman.....dwell upon that for awhile.

What makes you think I've had any "failed relationships" and that I have an "inhability" to land "a woman"?
Do you really think that I would settle for just "a woman"?
She has to be an alpha female, and just as she has to be worthy of being put on a pedestal, she too has to put me on a pedestal.

Unless I land an awesome girl who feels that she hit the jackpot by landing me, then I rather be single. Who the fuck wants second best, right?