Review/Critique/Roast of HRB/RLM

[Faux Pas]

Hey y'all,

This is growing into a full-fledged feeding frenzy complete with chum and teeth and blood.

I see TomT is making a rare, and welcome, appearance here at RWD - and that CEO is now logged off.

Let's slow down just a bit and allow folks some time to respond.

I know from personal experience how difficult it can be when there are a half-dozen (or more) members all posting questions and there is only one of me to respond - and I expect that may be how CEO is feeling at the moment. Having spoken with him in the past, I expect you will find he will reply in the near-term.

- Dan

Dan,

I appreciate CEO even being here to respond and his answer to my question was a fair one but, it doesn't match what happens on the website. He did seem earnest in his response but again, his reply is polar opposite to the reality of HRB. Is he not accountable for his business, website and his postings here? He tossed the chum out there IMO 

[Admin]

Dan,

I appreciate CEO even being here to respond and his answer to my question was a fair one but, it doesn't match what happens on the website. He did seem earnest in his response but again, his reply is polar opposite to the reality of HRB. Is he not accountable for his business, website and his postings here? He tossed the chum out there IMO 

And mine was not a defense - merely a request to allow some time for replies. It is unlikely that anyone can sit on the PC constantly just to reply - and with the rapid-fire responses coming from several, it can be a bit overwhelming.

I see that both TomT and CEO are online now and composing responses.

- Dan

[Kuna]

Let's slow down just a bit and allow folks some time to respond.

I'll leave my response till Mr 99.9% returns then...

[TomT]

I have been sitting here, going through endless edits, trying to figure out what to write to people who think that the presence of sex-chat girls on a site means that there aren't any marriageable women there. I settled for this: you are entitled to your opinions and it isn't within my purview to educate you, even if it were possible.

[Admin]

I have been sitting here, going through endless edits, trying to figure out what to write to people who think that the presence of sex-chat girls on a site means that there aren't any marriageable women there. I settled for this: you are entitled to your opinions and it isn't within my purview to educate you, even if it were possible.

LOL - yeah, that was the longest period of time I can recall seeing someone online and "Posting in . . ."

I can only imagine some of those edits that are on the cutting room floor. Would have been entertaining, at least.

- Dan

[TomT]

Yep, I decided to tone it down a bit.

[Admin]

Yep, I decided to tone it down a bit.

Where's the *fun* in that?   

And BTW - nice to see you wander over this direction. I thought you might have lost the way.

- Dan

[Jooky]

Easy response... it's not the presence it's the preponderance.

CEO put down match.com as having sex-chat girls that lure men to open their wallet. Now you, who investigated HRB thoroughly have admitted that HRB has the same. The same thing that CEO said his system of monitoring and validation prevents.

Did you mention the obvious presence of sex-chat girls on HRB in your investigative report? I don't recall that you did.

You did however express your disgust with men who were coming on to young girls sexually when CEO shared private client chats with you. What do you expect on a site that hits you in the face with a bunch of young girls wanting to show you where they keep their chocolate as soon as you log in?

But ok. I'm done posting about this. My intention was to call out Manny for what I saw as a contradiction in his post, not to rehash this nonsense.

[TomT]

I suppose that my definition of "fun" has evolved a bit. Roasting people who make asinine, hysterical posts just doesn't float my boat anymore.

[Faux Pas]

I have been sitting here, going through endless edits, trying to figure out what to write to people who think that the presence of sex-chat girls on a site means that there aren't any marriageable women there. I settled for this: you are entitled to your opinions and it isn't within my purview to educate you, even if it were possible.

TomT
I didn't read your investigative thread at RUA. Still, I can't imagine your nonchalant statement that men should sift through the sex chat girls. Is this really your position?

[ECOCKS]

Jooky you and Chelseaboy have more than me. But your not a 62 year old grandfather with an eating disorder with five kids who wants more.
Life is tough for us old guys.

Dancegir11 just wrote me. 18 years old, nice rack, but is writing me because she cant find a real man. Damn shame. Oh well, life goe on.

You perverted liar! DanceGir11 wrote me less than two hours ago. Guess you're just not man enough for a young, innocent devushka who so desperately needs a father figure to make her love complete.

[facetrock]

  Ed. Your married. Stay away from my granddaughters

[TomT]

Faux,

Perhaps you might consider basing your query on my statement as it stands, not on a reworked version.

[Admin]

I am a bit hesitant to interject too much into this topic - for a number of reasons.

Still, there are several things that spring to mind, so I will post them - consequences (misinterpretations) be damned.

First of all - from the sound of it (FTR, et al - please correct me if I am wrong), it sounds like you guys are describing EXACTLY what we were attempting to explore (as in - identification of a SCAM using A-web) over in this topic -- http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=12304.0. Yes - or no?

Next - it seemed to me that TomT was making an extrapolation of something I have seen Jack and Kevin Hayes and Richard Wright (and numerous others) say for years - and that is; there are good girls in bad agencies, and there are bad girls in good agencies - and it has always been this way.

Third - I was struck by something Chelseaboy wrote upthread in this post -- http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=12651.msg249995#msg249995 - and the relevant comment was; "She is a Anastasia/Dream-Marriage hottie,HRB/RLM uses the same agencies as those two,because i've seen girls on webcam at HRB and the other two sites at the same time."

Jack made a comment not so long ago (not sure if he told me this privately or on RWD) that A-web had been threatening several (some - many?) of the local agencies who had been working with Jack to 'cut them off' (my paraphrase) if they continued working with Jack. I also caught wind of some other recent allegations directed toward A-web that would seem to indicate this is a common tactic by A-web and would, if true, have the effect of limiting the number of 'girls in common' shared by these agencies.

My point being to ponder the question of how much we all may be assuming.

OK - all for now.

I thought CEO was online, but looks like he may have logged off again. I still expect he will reply to your questions sooner rather than later.

FWIW

- Dan

[Gator]

What's up with all this eating off a naked body? Is this some Ukraine tradition?

Or maybe these legitimate 'girls' are being coached?

Maybe there is only one script writer on duty this evening at HRB and his imagination is limited.

[Faux Pas]

Faux,

Perhaps you might consider basing your query on my statement as it stands, not on a reworked version.

TomT, reworked version? I have no idea as to what you are referring. Didn't I quote you directly from you own post? Did I miss one some place?

I have been sitting here, going through endless edits, trying to figure out what to write to people who think that the presence of sex-chat girls on a site means that there aren't any marriageable women there. I settled for this: you are entitled to your opinions and it isn't within my purview to educate you, even if it were possible.

TomT
I didn't read your investigative thread at RUA. Still, I can't imagine your nonchalant statement that men should sift through the sex chat girls. Is this really your position?

Please Tom, point it out if I did. I mean, you made the statement, didn't you?

[ECOCKS]

What does 28 year old Sweetsecret mean when she writes a first letter like this.

 " I know the recipe for love:
 500grams of passion and 300grams of love,kisses and hugs to taste.
  The dish is ready
   Tip: Try for two in bed, preferably with me.
   Would you?
   Natasha

 Oh baby baby baby. I think she is talking threesome here!!!!

I got a letter from 18 year old model type Vickabarbie. Poor girl cant seem to find a real man. I am sensing a pattern here. There seems to be a lack of real men in the FSU. All the rumors I heard of them being drunks and wife beaters must be true.

You must be weak facet, they're both writing to me also. Along with the following:

OLLYY
Brightnes
DanceGir11
Expected

Man up or you'll be the cameraman at someone else's threesome.

[facetrock]

Ed. I feel old and weak now. But on the bright side I have 46 emails and only 3 are over 30 years old. Most are under 25. Can you beat that big guy?

[ECOCKS]

Ed. I feel old and weak now. But on the bright side I have 46 emails and only 3 are over 30 years old. Most are under 25. Can you beat that big guy?

The girls are circling the weaker prey anticipating a kill?

I mean come on, I even put married on my profile.

Although now I discover that I have been logged off and can't seem to get logged back in. If I didn't know better, I'd say my ID was removed.   

[facetrock]

  Well if you got booted its because you didnt spend 30 big ones like I did. Greedy man. I have a feeling my time will be short lived too. I wonder if I will get my money back if I complain about all the young stuff contacting me and the women stressing my heart with all the talk of threesomes and chocolate.

[BC]

  Well if you got booted its because you didnt spend 30 big ones like I did. Greedy man. I have a feeling my time will be short lived too. I wonder if I will get my money back if I complain about all the young stuff contacting me and the women stressing my heart with all the talk of threesomes and chocolate.

Aside from their attempts to satiate your desire for instant satisfaction, did you webchat with any women?  That seems to be the sites core product or?

[Jooky]

That seems to be the sites core product or?

Well, what you do think of this:

Both Manny and TomT seem to excuse the web cam girls asking for sex chat as the ones that 'slip through the net'.

At this moment there are 162 women are online and available to chat. That's out of 14,000 women listed.
Of those 28 are available for webcam chat.
Of those 10 are requesting chats with me (in addition to about 20 that don't have webcams).

Given those numbers, what conclusions do you draw?

For comparison, on a normal dating site, singles.ru, there are currently 618 out of 21,000 women online in Novosibirsk. Of course, none of them are messaging me with the desire to chat.

[Jooky]

First of all, if HRB is primarily an entertainment site and the customers understand this and are enjoying it, I have no problem with it.

However, we're on a board that caters to men seeking wives.

A few things for Dan and others here to consider.

Considering that at any given moment approximately 20% of the online ladies are attempting to initiate chat with a single man online, what overall percent of the women online are doing so? This would be easy to determine.

If a man's initial experience with a site like this is to be bombarded with requests for light sexual chat, does this encourage sex tourism, discourage it, or have no effect?

If the site's core product is web cam chat, and the web cam chat involves prodding men into sexual talk, should this site even be discussed here? Should we also discuss more hard core porn cam sites?

Do you think that a site that floods men with messages from apparently hot and horny young women attracts the type of men that has resulted in the passage of IMBRA and further regulation of this industry? Or does it attract serious men looking for a wife?

Just some things to ponder.

[Shadow]

First of all, if HRB is primarily an entertainment site and the customers understand this and are enjoying it, I have no problem with it.

However, we're on a board that caters to men seeking wives.

A few things for Dan and others here to consider.

Considering that at any given moment approximately 20% of the online ladies are attempting to initiate chat with a single man online, what overall percent of the women online are doing so? This would be easy to determine.

Perhaps try the same at a time when the women are supposed to be online, with a real profile and your own face. Then you can actually talk to them.

If a man's initial experience with a site like this is to be bombarded with requests for light sexual chat, does this encourage sex tourism, discourage it, or have no effect?

Supposed that you are a man like the majority here on RWD who understands the difference between a cam girl and a real woman, would you be even remotely interested in the women contacting you ?
On the other hand, how many of the 80% women that were online did you try to contact ? The number of RW that will take the first step to contact a man are a very low percentage, and you know that very well. One of the rules of the game is to be wary if a RW contacts you based on nothing, and that goes for any site you sign up with.

If the site's core product is web cam chat, and the web cam chat involves prodding men into sexual talk, should this site even be discussed here? Should we also discuss more hard core porn cam sites?

Is there on HRB a possibility to report inappropriate members or suggestions, and if there is, did you use it ?

Do you think that a site that floods men with messages from apparently hot and horny young women attracts the type of men that has resulted in the passage of IMBRA and further regulation of this industry? Or does it attract serious men looking for a wife?

It attracts alll type of men. The ones looking for a fantasy will fall for them, the ones looking seriously might try to search and contact women that interest them.

[Jooky]

Sexual messages from horny young women attracts all kinds of men? Ok.

I can't believe that you're serious and not just playing devil's advocate. Sorry.  :noidea: